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17251576 No.17251576 [Reply] [Original]

You can shit on Nietzsche all you want, but reading him when you're 18 to 20 unironically changes your life for the better

>> No.17251614

Where do I start (and end) with him?

>> No.17251616

>>17251576
I seriously wish the "le Nietszche is a depressive pessimist nihilist" meme wasn't a thing. Almost never read him because of this and I feel a lot of people avoid him for the same reason.

>> No.17251625

>>17251576
Which book should I start with?

>> No.17251661

>>17251614
start with plato, end at nick land

>> No.17251670

He Makes Sense when you are an ignorant going man attempting to seize up status for yourself. Of course many young men are completely destroyed by this endeavor, so your blanket recommendation isn't really correct. At best it is good for impotent nerds who lack the inner drive to even attempt a glorious life. After all, Nietzsche talked a big game but almost never fucked, and died poor. His ideas may help you, but did nothing to help even himself.

>> No.17251671

>>17251625
Beyond Good and Evil

>> No.17251717

>>17251616
I avoid him cause he's a brainlet much like all the Nietzchefags on /lit/

>> No.17251778

>>17251625
birth of tragedy 100%, or read a secondary about his life then do birth of tragedy. kaufman translation also

>> No.17251785

>>17251661
Based

>> No.17251791

>>17251717
How would you know? You haven't even read him.

>> No.17251798

>>17251576
>about to turn 21
Holy shit, I better read his entire bibliography fast!

>> No.17252057

>>17251661
>nick land
Into the trash it goes.

>> No.17252152

I doubt it, to change your life for the better he must have taught you what's good for you and your life. But you can't know what's good for your life if you don't know what constitutes the good. Since he was a relativist sophist edgelord it's impossible that you learnt about something which Nietzsche didn't believe in.

>> No.17252781

>>17251576
I discovered him when I was 15 and he saved me from not killing myself.

>> No.17252791

>>17252152
>Since he was a relativist sophist edgelord
Assuming you read even one of his works, which is doubtful, you got filtered hard.

>> No.17252839

After reading him I unironically have trouble deciding what is good or bad. I dont mean in it in a speculative only sense. I find it difficult to feel guilt now. I dont think this would be good for all people. If I had kids I dont think I would be ok with them reading him at such a young age.

>> No.17252869

>>17252057
Garbage time is running out.

>> No.17252881

>>17251791
I've talked to enough nietzschetards here

It's always telling when a philosopher can't live by their own philosophy. Not that it necessarily discounts it, but if nobody is actually able to do what you say in practice, it kinda makes the whole thing seem pretty stupid

>> No.17252898

>>17252791
>you didn't read him
why is it the only thing neechfags can answer?

>> No.17252912

>>17251614
Portable Nietzsche

>> No.17252959

Tbh, Nietzsche is as obscure as Hegel, but he makes you believe you are learning clear and distinct ideas

>> No.17253168

>>17252881
He lived by his philosophy, though.

>> No.17253239

>>17253168
in what way?

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>>17253239

>> No.17253283

>>17253260
but he still just laid in bed all day

>> No.17253306

>>17253283
You haven't read a single word of any biography on him, have you?

>> No.17253350

>>17253306
no, I'd rather read about someone who lived their philosophy

>> No.17253363

>>17253350
That makes no sense anon, since he did.

>> No.17253370

>>17251778
Birth of tragedy is awful and will destroy your interest in nietzsche immediately

>> No.17253409

>>17251576
How?

>> No.17253925

>>17251616
I have never heard this

His writing can be pretty fucking miserable if you believe yourself to be mediocre though. If thenworldnis to be ruled by blonde beasts creating their own values what’s left for the rabble?Christianity, and other world views, on the other hand, tend to embrace mediocrity. Reading Nietzsche and knowing yourself not to be a genius is a painful feeling

>> No.17254273

>>17252881
“There is a false saying, ‘Whoever cannot save himself - how can he save others?’ But if I have the key to your chains, why should your and my lock be the same.”

how does it feel to be a midwit?

>> No.17254375

>>17253260
this convinced me to get into nietzsche.
by the way, how do i pronounce nietzsche?

>> No.17254391

>>17251616
> I feel a lot of people avoid him for the same reason

He seems like the only philosopher any normie ever talks about so if anyone is avoiding anyone it's not him from what I can tell.

>> No.17254640

>>17254273
Yeh everyone keeps posting that. But then that would mean he would only have the key to one person's chains lol. Why would he have the key to literally everyone else in the world's chains but not his own? Imagine thinking that's a convincing metaphor kek

>> No.17254641

>>17254273
Yeh everyone keeps posting that. But then that would mean he would only have the key to one person's chains lol. Why would he have the key to literally everyone else in the world's chains but not his own? Imagine thinking that's a convincing metaphor kek

>> No.17254659

>>17252881
Nietzsche can be excused of not embodying his philosophy fully since he had exceptionally poor health

>> No.17254669

>>17251614
Start with the Greeks

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>>17251576
Were they le original hipsters?

>> No.17254680

>>17254659
that's literally the point though. if it doesn't help with actually dealing with a life of suffering, what's the point?

>> No.17254695

>>17254672
Lou was one of the original art hoes

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>>17254695
>After arriving in Leipzig in October 1882, the three spent a number of weeks together. However, the following month Rée and Salomé parted company with Nietzsche, leaving for Stibbe without any plans to meet again.

>Nietzsche soon fell into a period of mental anguish, although he continued to write to Rée, asking him, "We shall see one another from time to time, won't we?"

>tfw

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17254799

>tfw no scandalous proto-arthoe gf

>> No.17255318

>>17251670
What a shit take...

>> No.17255320

>>17254375
NEECH-uh. Like "teacher" but the "er" is an "uh".

God said to Nietzsche:
That'll Tietzsche,
You irritating little Krietzsche.

>> No.17255331

his music is pretty good desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYBwNcTeY7M

>> No.17255332

>>17254755
meanwhile Salomé was having sex with Rilke and Freud. Lmao

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>>17255332
who can blame her honestly, yung freud was a CHAD

>> No.17255364

>>17253283
>>17253350
based zoomer retard

>> No.17255399

>>17254680
Perhaps he "cured" his suffering by completely enmeshing himself in his work? Arbeit macht frei.

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>>17254672
poor love sick bastard. that photo was probably one of the happiest moments of his life, before it all fell apart.

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17255572

Wow his sister was such a fox.
Too bad she was a small-minded bourgeois who held him back from living the life he truly wanted.

>> No.17255635

>>17252057
cope

>> No.17255767

>>17251576
Only Jesus can shit on Nietzsche.

>> No.17255838

>>17255767
Didn't know Jesus was into that kind of thing

>> No.17255866

>>17253409
It motivates you to take control over your life
If you read it when you're younger than that, you're going to fall for the "le epic nihilist atheist" meme if you're a retard, and if you're a midwit you're just going to self-insert as the Overman; if you're older, you're going to be too disillusioned to find any value in him
But when you're a young adult you should be mature enough to realize you're not perfect yet and find an ideal you want to strive for

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>>17255866
I first read him in high school and felt awakened by his fiery passion and iconoclasm, as you say. I put him aside for many years, but have gotten back into him with renewed passion as a 33-year-old. Having lived and suffered, I understand now that his is a philosophy (a philosopho-poetry, really) of suffering, of facing it, overthrowing it, finding joy in life no matter what. His later works have been especially revelatory to me in my old age.

>> No.17257170

This is true and makes religicucks seethe hard

>> No.17257194

>>17254375
nee-cheh

>> No.17257235

>>17257194
>>17254375
No it's Neet chi

>> No.17257355

>>17251670
>He Makes Sense when you are an ignorant going man attempting to seize up status for yourself. Of course many young men are completely destroyed by this endeavor
Are we alive in the same era? Almost every man I know is a porn/ videogame addict that watches Marvel movies. It might actually be good for most of the male population to read Nietzsche.

>> No.17257387

I don't know much about the guy but I'm intrigued from what little I've read. Do I have to read the Greeks before I understand him? Furthermore, he went insane right? Why? Did he think himself into that state? That's pretty scary bruh.

>> No.17257393

>>17252898
Because it holds true time and time again, one of the examples being (You).

>> No.17257401

>>17251576
Fuck, I'm too old

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17257406

i want to read him but i´m still with the greeks, his thinking is like magnet which i can´t avoid

>> No.17258084

>>17257235
No, the other dude was correct
>t. German

>> No.17258100

>>17257406
I don't buy the "you must start with the greeks and only the greeks" meme. You should feel free to read whatever you desire in whatever order you desire. That said, Nietzsche is basically Heraclitus + Diogenes + Zeno.

>> No.17258104

>>17251670
he literally sacrifice his life for his work

>> No.17259242

>>17257235
I'm German and I can guarantee you the other guy is right, nee-cheh ist pretty much how it sounds.

>> No.17259293

>>17253925
>Christianity, and other world views, on the other hand, tend to embrace mediocrity.
no they don't. it's easier to be an ubermensch than a saint

>> No.17259939

>>17251791
What is good? The feeling of power - power.

That is so flawed, power brings trouble which leads to unnecessary hardships.

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