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17257094 No.17257094 [Reply] [Original]

Anybody read this?

I've been reading it and the "laws" seem pretty surface level. Like you could probably think of this stuff yourself. It presents itself as being some deep inside look into the "elite" but the weird anecdotes don't seem to have any relevance to my life.

Anybody actually read this and used one of these laws? Seems like you have to be a paedophile world leader for this to be of any use

>> No.17257099

>>17257094
Yeah I am an elite and I find it pretty useful.

>> No.17257104

>>17257099
Oh thats nice to know, is covid a hoax if you don't mind me asking?

>> No.17257138

>>17257094
It's mostly repackaged Sun Poo tier advice with a dash of Machiavelli. Anything useful in the book is really only applicable in specific types of power structures and nothing in the book will make you happy. If you aren't a sociopath it will be difficult and painful to emulate the behaviors he sets out, and if you are a sociopath you don't need to read the book.

>> No.17257146

>>17257138
>If you aren't a sociopath it will be difficult and painful to emulate the behaviors he sets out
I'm not a sociopath, but I'm smart. I wanted to get an insight into how manipulative people work. I've had to deal with a few so I thought it'd be interesting but some of the stuff in there I do myself
>"conceal your intentions"
wow so deep never could've thought of that myself so glad I got this book

>> No.17257166

>>17257146
>I wanted to get an insight into how manipulative people work
I still don't think it will be useful for the same reason it doesn't have much to offer for someone learning to manipulate.

>> No.17257177

>>17257146
>but I'm smart.
>Your sentence structure
Pick one

>> No.17257199

>>17257177
>>>reddit

>> No.17257202

>>17257166
Yeah, I probably should get some psychology books or something

>> No.17257214

>>17257094
read the first laws... so it's basically paranoid sociopathy?

>“But hire a former enemy and he will be more loyal than a friend, because he has more to prove. In fact, you have more to fear from friends than from enemies. If you have no enemies, find a way to make them.”

terrible and untrue advice, even reading with the book, the enemy would see it as weakness..

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17257226

>>17257199
Oh God he used an IDIOM that has also been used on WEBSITE. Go back!!!!!!

>> No.17257229

>>17257094
started about 3 times
every time i fell asleep
some of the rules are alright but rest do not apply in daily scenarios

>> No.17257238

>>17257214
>the enemy would see it as weakness..
Exactly. This book is kind of fucking retarded to be honest.

>> No.17257350

It's like the prince misinterpreted in the way midwits usually do it. It's probably only useful if you want to protect yourself from sociopathic behavior, much like the actually purpose of The Prince. Truthfully, if you actually try this shit people will see directly past all of the tactics used and just see one thing, chaos being caused and one person gaining from it.

>> No.17257394

>>17257350
Why does everyone who mentions The Prince have some bizarre alt interpretation of Machiavelli's intent that's, like, totally the real interpretation guys! ?
I thought this was a method of justifying bad philosophy unique to Marxism

>> No.17257396

>>17257094
Bought it, read it, completely useless lessons per se to me, HOWEVER it had stories which were far more interesting, which you can grasp from. He keeps drawing from the same 2 dozen sources for stories, but I would say that it's a genuinely good array

>> No.17257668

>>17257202
read how to make someone obsessed with you and how to psychonanalyze someone, it delves into archetypes of people and describes their insecurities and aspirations etc

>> No.17258042

>>17257396
>it had stories which were far more interesting
Yeah the stories are a fun read but the rest is just shite

>> No.17258047

>>17257668
>how to psychonanalyze someone
now that sounds interesting...

>> No.17258223

>>17258047
Oh no no....

>> No.17258662

>>17257350
>It's probably only useful if you want to protect yourself from sociopathic behavior
> if you actually try this shit people will see directly past all of the tactics used and just see one thing, chaos being caused and one person gaining from it
Why would you need to read a book to protect yourself from sociopathic behavior if anyone can see sociopathic behavior?

>> No.17258688 [DELETED] 

This is a larp book for niggers and adolescent men

>> No.17258702

>>17257094
>"laws" seem pretty surface level
Yeah, but believe it or not, a lot of people really do need to be told these things. They're pretty obvious principles, but the point of the book is to help you truly internalize these principles, so you can best climb the ranks of power.
The ultimate sin of the book is that it's overly long. I really don't need 30 pages about anecdotes about Miyamoto Musashi to be taught that maybe I shouldn't be predictable all the time.

>> No.17258708

>>17257668
Where would one find these books? They're not on libgen.

>> No.17258742

>>17258688
It's just an entertaining book with a bunch of interesting historical stories. Not sure why that makes people so assblasted about it. There are also a few general recommendations in it that are probably good advice for everyone; ex. shut your fucking mouth if talking won't do you any good.

>> No.17258851

>>17258702
>so you can best climb the ranks of power.
Hello 15 year old.

>> No.17259561

>>17257094
people who read self-help books are always really obvious

>> No.17259839

>>17257104
Not him but obviously. You don't need to be elite to understand this. Automn 2019: the shadow of central banks negative interest rates lies over financial news. In january 2020: the "Covid-19" appears. March 2020, suppression in america of mandatory fractional reserves. End of spring 2020: actual negative interest rates from central banks.

>> No.17259934

>>17259561
Explain how they are obvious, I am curious and want to know.

>> No.17259991

>>17257094
any books that are like this but better?

>> No.17260002

>>17257094
You'd be better off reading its sources directly: Machiavelli, Gracian, Schopenhauer, and Nietzsche.

>> No.17260511

>>17259839
correlationn =/= causation

this is day 1 stuff

>> No.17261037

>>17260511
t. midwit

>> No.17261673

>>17257138
>Anything useful in the book is really only applicable in specific types of power structures
That's mostly not true, surely there are specific things but there are gems that can be used anywhere.
>If you aren't a sociopath it will be difficult and painful to emulate the behaviors he sets out
That's not entirely true, there is still a ton of value to be gained, but a point can be made that some behaviors in the book are difficult for a lot of people to act out. This is not a book on how to make friends and also not really a guideline to how live your life, it's not even a definitive guide to power.
>if you are a sociopath you don't need to read the book.
True, that is precisely why if you are not a sociopath you should read it.
>>17257146
>wow so deep never could've thought of that myself so glad I got this book
Yea, maybe actually read the full passage and the stories he uses to demonstrate how the law is used both in a good and in a bad way, also read the reversals at the end. What kind of brainlet reads the title of a text and then judges the value of the whole book on how he percieves said title.
>>17257214
>>17257238
See, this is the biggest problem with the book. People read the title of the laws and come to these conclusions. Maybe read the full explanation, the stories and most important the REVERSAL where he explains when not to use the law or when it could go wrong. He also talks about how many of the laws contradict each other but most of the brainlets criticizing the book don't even bother to actually fucking read the book.
>>17257350
Actual retard holy shit
>>17258662
kek
>>17260002
Now that's something I would agree with if you want to go deep into the subject. The 48 Laws of Power is a good overview on the topic nevertheless but obviously if you want to know everything about it then go read the sources.

A lot of mad replies can simply be explained by the fact that people do not like to admit that they lust after power, so they project their feeling of shame onto the people actually looking into it.

>> No.17262197 [DELETED] 

>>17261673
you seems to have a good grasp on this book, do know any other similar books you would recommend us ?

>> No.17262269

>>17257094
It's peak cringe desu. The stories are good although I've been advised some of his historical examples aren't fully accurate according to some /his/torians. The way he writes is also extremely hard to read, far too many commas. He rights like this, literally all the time, which means it takes so long, to even read one sentence and you have to stop and start, all the time.

>> No.17262278

>>17262269
>The way he writes is also extremely hard to read, far too many commas. He rights like this, literally all the time, which means it takes so long, to even read one sentence and you have to stop and start, all the time.
imagine getting pleb-filtered by a fucking self-help book lmaoo

>> No.17262302

>>17261673
>most important the REVERSAL
the reversals are basically footnotes; they're only at the end of chapters and they're of minuscule length. they are not that important to the book.
>A lot of mad replies can simply be explained by the fact that people do not like to admit that they lust after power, so they project their feeling of shame onto the people actually looking into it.
I don't think people who mock this book feel shame for wanting power, they mock it because the information is banal. it's an edgy, less effective version of How to Win Friends and Influence Others

>> No.17262306

>>17260511
>Ummm, actually, the sun doesn't affect temperature whatsoever, just because the temperature tends to increase when the sun rises does not indicate that the sun is hot, correlation does not ever equal causation for any reason in any situation

>> No.17262321

Just because a book is pretentious doesn’t take away it’s value.

>> No.17262335

Why is sociopathy seen as a bad thing? Why should I not do everything I can for the sake of me and my family? Especially in today’s political climate.

>> No.17262343

>>17257104
Covid was obviously planned, still real though.

>> No.17262371

>>17262335
It is seen as a bad thing *socially* but not in reality. So people shun sociopathy so that we have less sociopaths in general, but some people nevertheless engage in sociopathy while in appearance shunning it. Whether you are a sociopath or not, it's in your interest that other people aren't. That's why everyone treats it as a bad thing.

>> No.17262406

>>17262371
Okay that makes a lot of sense. Wish the world was more honest.

>> No.17262428

>>17261673
>This is not a book on how to make friends and also not really a guideline to how live your life, it's not even a definitive guide to power.

What similar books would you recommend us ?

>> No.17262449

>>17262428
The prince

>> No.17262493

>>17262278
>not liking over-punctuation makes you a pleb

>> No.17262519

>>17262302
>the reversals are basically footnotes; they're only at the end of chapters and they're of minuscule length. they are not that important to the book.
Yes, they are not that important for the book in general but they are very important for brainlets thinking the laws are meant to be taken as absolutes, that's why I pointed it out to the anons.
>I don't think people who mock this book feel shame for wanting power, they mock it because the information is banal.
Fair enough, both our statements are not absolutes either, there's room for both.
>it's an edgy, less effective version of How to Win Friends and Influence Others
It's not a book on how to make friends and also not really a book on how to influence others. You could say it's less effective but that is because the 48 laws do not serve the same purpose as the other book, they might relate to each other in some instances and cross roads though.
>edgy
Try genuinely writing about power without coming off as edgy. It's near impossible.
>>17262335
That's difficult to answer because sociopathy has (sometimes wildly) differing definitions. What do you mean by sociopathy? No ability for empathy? Just a bit of deviation from the standard morals of society? Impulsiveness?
>>17262428
Yes, >>17262449 The Prince for example, the question is what are you trying to achieve/learn? Robert Greenes book always give a good overview on the topic he writes, so you can choose which specific branch interests you the most. Power mechanics in war? In corporate settings? Just like the stories he uses as examples? The Psychology of it?

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17263161

>>17257094
Read something else if your seeking to achieve the physical gay sexual intercourse with a man.

>> No.17263801

>>17258662
It's hard to really get it through your head that someone is a sociopath or out to get you when it's happening at first. It's rare to have a concerted effort against your character or station to occur and most people simply don't think of it as a tool already so it's easy to find yourself feeling outmatched. That's why you have to read books like this to get an upper hand.

>> No.17263823

>>17257094
Idk. I found Art of War to have two valuable sentences in it. I'd suspect this book would have a fat zero. Haven't got to Machiavelli but hopefully it will have 2-4 sentences with some worth.

>> No.17263870

>>17263823
Would you say that it lowers the books quality or is it given a pass due to not being relevant in today’s context?