How do I create a fandom for my writing?

[Anonymous No.17331729]

I want to create a following for myself before I actually publish but I don't know how to go about this. I have a couple of friends following my work but nothing like a real community which is what I'm hoping to eventually achieve.
I tried posting my stuff to wattpad but I didn't get a single view (and also 90% of the shit on there uber creepy celebrity fanfiction so go figure)
Do you have any ideas or suggestions?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17331832]

>>17331729
What do you write?

[Anonymous No.17331850]

>>17331832
mostly dark mystery stuff. one of my novels is sort of a murder mystery and the other one is more of an adventure mystery.
both of them sort of have psychological themes to them.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17331874]

Ah.
Find those people that like that sort of thing (not just /x/ but everywhere) and do something fun or dramatic to do with this theme.
I don’t have anything in mind, but the idea is to just be that entertainer. What do you think?

[Anonymous No.17331897]

>>17331874
my strategy so far is just to ask random people I meet if they want to read my stuff.
A lot of people agree to but very few actually get around to it although the ones that did said they liked my stuff.
Doing something dramatic sounds like an interesting idea if I can come up with something for it. perhaps something that I can use as an advertisement for my work or perhaps just myself as a creator in general.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17331924]

>>17331897
Join mystery or whatever groups, (do meetups?) book reading clubs.

You might want to read something on PR and promotion to get a few ideas. This isn’t my specialty

[Anonymous No.17331941]

>>17331924
I tried joining writing clubs before but no one in there had any motivation to really do anything. I have considered publicly releasing short segments of my work to get people interested but I wouldn't know the best place to do this.

[f No.17331980]

>>17331897
screenshot a page and post it here. I did that yesterday and got fucked around the same time. It's worth it I tell you.

I'd ask you two things right away.

First, do you have a (social)/media presence, if so how large, are you a part of communities on those sites, do people already know you as a person who exists on the internet etc., i.e. are you networking at all. If you want to create a community, a network of people, with you as a focal point, you need to interest, attract, direct and feed people. This is marketing, are you a marketable person--doesn't actually matter, what matters is that you are a social people person who's always been good at 'knowing people' and understanding them, and I do not mean that in the classic introverted way, but actual reflection of yourseld and others.

Second, do you have experience with psychological canon at all: have you read Adler, Freud or Frankl, Jung and understood Jung, read Lacan and understood him; do you read modern papers or have some sort of high ed. or practical knowledge of that field.
Horror with psychological themes is always a red flag for me being honest here as most time it is really bad, really not that scary and just creepy, unrealistic and bad fanfiction.

Also, don't send your stuff to your friends. They'll always tell you it's good. Your friends don't know jack shit about literature, and they probably don't care for literature if they don't read it. Doesn't mean they don't care about you but it's just not their thing: imagine a mu tard telling you to listen to some 45 min album because it's good or because they want yoru opinion, but you don't know anything about music, the best answer you could give would be I like it or not, and if you liked it that wouldn't be as much taste as circumstance or coincidence. Your friends are like that essentially, and because they don't know their stuff their feedback is suboptimal and maybe even always positive because they like you and assume what you do is good--big fish small pond, you're the only writer they know and so on.

[Anonymous No.17332021]

>>17331980
1. I do have some amount of social media presence but I'm not famous for my writing, I'm very slightly famous for other shit in an unrelated niche community, i plan to convert at least some of my followers from that into writing fans. breaking into a writing community sounds like a good idea though.

2. desu psychology is a quack science and all of those guys made that shit up as they went, but I know well enough not to pretend to be an expert on any advanced stuff. When I say psychological it's more to do with the characters deeper introspection on their own state of mind, their motivations and behaviors etc. (sorry if I explained that poorly)

3. I have sent my stuff to plenty of strangers as well and some of them have been more critical but usually positive overall. But its also a matter of taste as well, no one is going to love everything and no one is a true judge of what's good and what's bad. I would welcome some more critical reviewers though.

[f No.17332060]

>>17332021
1. Good, do that.
2. Bro, that's a meme for pseuds. Read the canon. Most books are very good and interesting, even on a literary perspective, as well as insightful to build models. It doesn't matter if it's ficticious, first of all most thing are lol--is idealism a real thing f.e.--and second you're writing fiction, that's the point. You're adopting a model of thought and conscious to characterise. Everyone who writes literature and creates character should at least have read something.
3. Sounds good. Do you know some people who work in the field, journalists or writers of any kind with friends, family, remote contacts through the former or latter? because that would really help. Someone in the career is often far more able to help you with that than random people
3.1 but still be free and post a page or so of your writing here, so anons can have a look and tell you where you're at. Random strangers and such won't be able to do that most times--that's why it would be good to seek out contacts, maybe submissions, maybe dm some people and ask them whether they know someone, how they got to publish their stuff and so on.

[Anonymous No.17332071]

>>17331729
Porn, something with porn. Easiest, cheapest, and fastest. Drawn or written, people lap it up because people are sickos. Also, how did you get good at writing? I have an idea for a children's book I really want to write, but unfortunately, I am poor to average at best.

[Anonymous No.17332083]

>>17332060
here's the draft intro from my first novel, the main character is intentionally written as bitter antisocial egomaniac but with enough nuance to keep her likable (or so I like to think anyway)

i actually tried to read some Stirner but it lost me almost immediately, maybe I just have a short attention span

[Anonymous No.17332094]

>>17332071
I briefly considered this but I really need to be passionate about something to write it. just writing porn for attention wouldn't be up to my personal standards.

[Anonymous No.17332112]

>>17332060
also I have talked to some editors but no one that influential so far. I am keeping my eyes out though.

[Anonymous No.17332122]

>>17332094
You could pay someone else to do it.

[Anonymous No.17332155]

>>17332083
Seconding Jung, read the Oxford Very Short Introduction to Jung. Easy to find online, less than 200 pages and covers all the important things. It's good to read and learn because it will give you the building blocks of characters you can use forever.

[Anonymous No.17332157]

>>17332122
well I'd rather do it myself than pay for it, although i could try doing some short stories to get attention instead, that way i could actually put some passion into it.

[Anonymous No.17332162]

>>17332155
I'll give it a look, hopefully I can hold my attention long enough

[Anonymous No.17332164]

>>17332083
reads actually very similar to what I enjoy writing but I don't know if thats good or bad.

[Anonymous No.17332183]

>>17332157
All I am saying is don't knock it! It boggles my mind how successful people can be with creating pornography. Sure it is disgusting, but it pays, and small people need every advantage they can get.

[Anonymous No.17332194]

>>17332164
well hey if you liked it I consider that to be a good thing

[f No.17332196]

>>17332083
First of all that's not a page, that's barely a paragraph. Cambria or NTR or equivalent, 1.15 and font size 12--this is subjective and published books are formatted differently, still if you turned this in this is hardly anything.
Second of all, nothing is said. At all. You got this guy, he's kind of a doomer, he sits in his room, and has been for quite some time, is waiting for a certain date. Those can be expressed in two sentences, your book can be as long as you want, and this is important, but you should not bore your reader. This wasn't enough to be boring but I would feel a bit annoyed after a time reading this.
Remember that self loathing can be a topic or common theme but it cannot drive the narrative. A loathing narrative is none at all; and writing about something annoying is annoying to the reader. There is something pure in that but it is not--how should I say, marketable, and honestly speaking, very good.

Third, inconsistent tense without a reason for that, work on that. Spell check, it's okay that it's not proof read, I hate that shit too but editing is half the work, actually more like 75% and editing your book mostly makes it longer or shorter and determines its final size. I believe Hemingway said write drunk, that is write a lot from your feelings, feelings which are productive, and edit sober, edit while imagining you are the editors, you've read a billion books, YOU found the last nobel lit winner and published him, and now this kid is trying to sell you a book.

Quoting Editor Sensei here loosely to say that it sounds very young and inexperienced. This isn't all that good. I would rate it a 4-5, maybe a 6 if it was more. This is not all that deep or complex. It's complaining and annoying, even if it is intended. No one wants to read that. Writing something raw and annoying without it being annoying is an absolute masterclass unto itself.

I can only say at the end that if you're not absolutely brilliant as well as picked up by someone you'll not gather a community around your writing. Maybe with fanfictions or something but that is not very fulfilling and doesn't develop your writing all that much.

I would tell you to continue writing and read A LOT more. If you have a short attention span >>17332162 you maybe don't have enough experience reading. If you keep up and read a lot and write a lot every week you'll be ready in a few years. Sorry to disappoint you here bud.

[Anonymous No.17332206]

>>17332183
I'll give it some thought, I could probably do it if I put my mind to it, although I'm not too sure I'd want the reputation that comes with it. Ideally I'd be well known for the stuff I like.

[Anonymous No.17332217]

>>17332194
the entire intro section where you have your character asking semi-sarcastic rhetorical/philosophical questions is something I have started and eventually edited out of like 3 different short stories I started writing. Even though I wrote it always ended up seeming like something I wouldn't personally enjoy reading. I'm not sure why. Guessing randomly, maybe in the books I enjoy that talk about questions like that they don't just outright say these questions but instead they try to make the reader ask themselves the questions instead of force feeding them. Not everyone I like does that though, Pessoa asks a lot of questions without answers but when he does it there is a sincerity that doesn't seem to come across when I try it.

[Anonymous No.17332229]

>>17332217
wow I'm tired but damn those are some bad typos. I gotta proof-read my comments lol

[Anonymous No.17332240]

>>17332196
it's a draft as i said, and not properly edited, as my work gets changed a lot I always leave editing as the final step. I crudely shrunk it down to fit into the screenshot.

Everything the character says is foreshadowing that comes into play later on in the story, you can't really make a proper analysis of a work from a single page and quite frankly i wouldn't trust the words of anyone who said they could. But even if you find it annoying, what I wrote is true and integral to myself and my own style, I'll hire a professional editor to help me patch up the technicalities.

[Anonymous No.17332260]

>>17332217
the questions the main character asks here are foreshadowing for things that come up later and the neuroticism of being constantly stuck inside your own head is a personality trait of hers. The main character will say things and reach her own conclusions but I leave it up the reader to decide if she's right or wrong. I'm aware that not everyone will like that, but what work is loved by everyone?

[f No.17332267]

>>17332240
>it's all part of the plan
>it's my style
>I'm going to hire a proper person to do my work
>you cannot talk about my work

That page formatting is really not that good. It looks like a webnovel. I don't think your writing is annoying. I think the literary I is very annoying and you wrote the literary I. I can at least tell you're inexperienced and that you haven't read that much.

>>How can you tell if I can't tell X from Y

It's the process. Don't be so salty brah.

[Anonymous No.17332278]

>>17332196
having said that i still appreciate your feedback nonetheless, so thanks even still

[Anonymous No.17332298]

>>17332267
I apologize if i came off as overly defensive, I did wing it with the formatting but I intend to fix that up with editing. I wanted to write it out while i was still in the right mindset for it so I left the technical stuff as an afterthought.

but I wanted to write something that I myself would want to read as I find most stuff to be boring to me, I at least know I have succeeded in that.

[Anonymous No.17332302]

>>17332278
I think you gotta add more abstraction to your scenes that introduce/define your character.

[Anonymous No.17332344]

>>17332302
I usually like to be ambiguous with my characters.
one of the themes of this story is perspective, so everything is heavily locked into the MCs point of view and you get an idea of her character through her interactions with other people and the world around her more so than anything she has to say herself.
at least that's what I was aiming for.

[f No.17332393]

>>17332298
Okay, dude--you're probably a femanon but still dude.
I'm 19 and I still write rather bad stuff; I wrote like this four years ago.
I know a lot of writers who wrote like this. I'm the head of the lit club/gathering at a very famous and prestigious uni in X developed European country with a lot of smart people, who are all lit students or graduates. All of them started like this. So I know what I'm saying, I'm not writing this to shit on you: I'm trying to be critical so you don't take as long to see your errors and fix them by developing a system. Don't get stuck in your writing.

The issues of all young writers have is that they haven't read enough, haven't written enough and do not have a method for doing either.

Capturing the moment is nice but it doesn't get you anywhere in the long term because of exactly you only being able to write in the moment, thus having no measure of purposeful writing; limiting your writing as Stuck Within the moment and As the moment. You need to sit down not because you're bored, not because you feel bad and think hey I can write something about that, but rather sit down because you have to and you want to. You analyze the topic of 'being stuck in your head' deeply. For this you require the academic method, knowledge of what being stuck is, what your head is and what the synthesis of those two creates; what does it Feel like to be Stuck in your Head. I hope you get what I'm sketching here.

Also, if you're not already, always write in your native language. Always. And never try to write something you can't write. To figure out what that is, that which you Cannot Write About, is to see where you lack experience as well as knowledge, and to figure out what you Can Write About. If there is nothing presently you need to collect more knowledge and experience. It's as simple as that.

[f No.17332399]

>>17332302
I second that. you're also too on the nose. but, again, thos eare small issues. Describe, this is literature not orating--orature, ya know, talking.

[Anonymous No.17332488]

>>17332393
I wrote my stuff as a reflection of my own personal experiences, I didn't write it with anyone else's academic input in mind, its 100% my own. I did write it because I want to, it was all the thoughts and feelings I had at the time of writing and it helped me get through some dark places.
I will not deny I have not read that much, but I have written a lot, that story is around 350,000 words.
but you've made all those judgements just by reading the first page, how do you measure what's good or not? is it your own opinion, the opinion of the masses or the opinion of so called academics? I'm asking that genuinely and without spite or sarcasm.
May i see some of your own writing so that I can get a proper idea of what you're talking about?

[Anonymous No.17332490]

Create an alias to publish under, and then create an Instagram page for your alias and try to post a couple quotes, current projects, and b&w pictures every week. You will also need a twitter, because that is the medium rich and self-important people gravitate to. Also create a webpage that shows off a portfolio of your writing. Once you have done this, make maintaining an active web presence a routine. Every other day you should be putting something out there for your hoard of dopamine depleted yobs to consume less they go a couple days without an update and forget you exist.

From here it's merely a matter of getting various magazines and journals to publish your work, which will generally allow for a link to your social media in the by-line. After you've done this, post links to those journals on 4chan and reddit and other websites to draw in an audience. Once you've gained a social media following in the thousands, I'd recommend getting into a beef with some other mindless e-celebrity or publishing a """controversial""" think-piece that's going to cause drama and controversy-- D'Annunzio jump started his whole career by literally faking his death and laying low for a couple months. There's nothing the unwashed masses love more than drama, without it their life would be a pitiful repetition of slavery and passive consumption. It's crucial you maintain composure and an image of strength though, if possible by violently destroying somebody weaker than you, that will inspire respect and confidence deep in the brainstem of whatever pitiful sods have decided to devote their life to following you.

If you can convince a B-list actress or model to fake having a relationship with you, then hire paparazzi you can both skyrocket to A-list. Its win-win because it makes you appear suave and it makes her appear smart, which isn't what people expect from authors and models respectively. When you get your picture taken make sure push your chin out too-- this will help the knuckle-dragging mongoloids identify themselves with you and see you as a man of action.

[Anonymous No.17332507]

>>17332490
keeping people interested by constantly posting stuff is important, I agree with you there. I'm doing it with my current social media fandom, even though they follow me for reasons unrelated to writing.

[Anonymous No.17332535]

>>17332488
>so called academics
>the popular masses
>my own original genius

it's experience. that's all. but it doesn't look like you want help. look at any lit core book and compare it to what you have. it's /:42 when I'm writing this and I honestly tried to show you that if you make such basic mistakes, if you have that attitude you're just not there yet, but you just keep jerking yourself off.

[Anonymous No.17332544]

>>17332535
I never called my work genius, i said it was true to myself.