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> baptised
> went to catholic school
> didn't believe in god
> became edgy atheist
> stopped hating religion
> started to see value in religion
> pray and read the bible sometimes
> reading confessions to push me over the edge

I feel like I have a lot in common with Saint Augustine. It's comforting to know that he turned his life around from degeneracy to sainthood. Especially since, at that point, he was older than myself. Has anyone found faith through reading this book?

>> No.17488087

Yeah but he lived centuries ago. It's over bro.

>> No.17488089

>>17488081
Just love God, it's that simple

>> No.17488091

>>17488081
Augustine is a hack. He fucked his way through all the women of Rome, but he repented later in life, so it’s all okay and he gets to go to heaven? Fuck that. It’s easy to renounce pleasures when you’ve already experienced them to the fullest and there are none left.

>> No.17488093

>>17488081
it certainly helped me move towards God at a moment where I couldn't have been further away.

>> No.17488095

>>17488091
you will be judged as you have judged.

>> No.17488096

>>17488091
Lmao, I don't care particularly for Augustine, but read the parable of the vineyard workers. Matthew 20: 1-16

>> No.17488112

>>17488096
I just read it, and it was the most bullshit thing I’ve ever read. They should have killed the land owner and taken his money for screwing them over like that.

>> No.17488122

>>17488112
Why, out of jealousy? They were happy with their deal when they made it. It's also not about actual work conditions.

>> No.17488141

>>17488122
Not out of jealousy, out of justice. They deserve to be fairly compensated, and being paid the same amount for a full day of labor as someone else got for a mere hour of it is not fair compensation. And to top it all off, he went out of his way to pay the last of the workers first just to rub it in their noses.

>> No.17488147

>>17488112
kek leftist on the loose
solving 2021 years old worker grievances lel

>> No.17488153

>>17488141
>They deserve to be fairly compensated,
no they don't they deserve the amount they agreed to.
Only a ridiculous definition of fair lets you renegotiate retroactively kek can you imagine if we actually did that lol we would drown in debt
OH WAIT

>> No.17488154

>>17488122
>It's also not about actual work conditions.
Also, I’m aware of that. To bring it back to Augustine, why should he be rewarded with going to heaven just as someone who remained devout and celibate their entire life?

>> No.17488163

>>17488153
Yes. A contract is only valid if informed consent is given. When they agreed to work for that amount of money, they were not aware that ass hole would then turn around and pay other men the same amount for only a fraction of the work.

>> No.17488181

>>17488154
because God is merciful and the guy that remained devout his whole life doesn't care anyway because he still gets to be with God so he can't possibly be rewarded more.
Also if God reasoned like you do he would give the impression to people that they can DESERVE to go to heaven.
Nobody deserves so, we are all disgusting depraved sinners.
Grace and Works doesn't mean it's the WORKS that save you, kek, you're just expected to do them anyway.

>> No.17488185

>>17488154
>constantly following the right path
easy
>losing the right path and finding it again
hard

>> No.17488186

>>17488163
informed consent doesn't entitle you of any information on any other workers's contract.
take it or leave it, God is right and you're wrong.

>> No.17488191

>>17488181
>because God is merciful and the guy that remained devout his whole life doesn't care anyway because he still gets to be with God so he can't possibly be rewarded more.
What a load of shit.
> Also if God reasoned like you do he would give the impression to people that they can DESERVE to go to heaven.
Nobody deserves so, we are all disgusting depraved sinners.
Then maybe he shouldn’t have made people to have sinful tendencies. Also, we may all be sinners, but some of us are bigger sinners than others.

>> No.17488193

>>17488186
>informed consent doesn't entitle you of any information on any other workers's contract.
That’s bullshit cooked up by the elite to prevent workers from demanding equal and fair treatment. Why else would it be considered taboo in society to inform others of how much you make?

>> No.17488206

>>17488154
Isn't forgiveness one of, if not the strongest acts of love? Especially when it's your creator that forgives you.

>> No.17488212

>>17488206
So then what’s the point of being celibate if everything is so easily forgiven?

>> No.17488214

>>17488193
no, quite the opposite, God can do the fuck he wants with his money, you are trying to use resentment to get his workers against him, elite.
>>17488191
>Then maybe he shouldn’t have made people to have sinful tendencies
And here you go again blaming God for your sins kek. We did the original sin, we all did and separated from God. now we get what we fucking deserve, it's as easy as this.

>> No.17488221

>>17488193
Again, the parable isn't about actual money, as the text says: "For the kingdom of Heaven is like a landowner..." the first workers can't even be paid more than the others (even if you think they would deserve it) because their payment is entrance into the kingdom of heaven, and there is no greater payment than that.

>> No.17488225

>>17488212
>easily forgiven
you speak as someone that hasn't had to wrestle himself out of a life of sin.
That this might be because you actually are virtuous or because you have no sense of proportion over your sins and therefore don't feel guilty for them I dare not speculate. I will pray for you anyway.

>> No.17488231

>>17488214
>be omniscient God
>create humans knowing exactly what they will do
>punish them for doing what you planned from the beginning
How is that fair

>> No.17488233

>>17488214
>no, quite the opposite, God can do the fuck he wants with his money, you are trying to use resentment to get his workers against him, elite.
How am I an elite for calling for workers to demand fair treatment? Are you retarded?
> And here you go again blaming God for your sins kek. We did the original sin, we all did and separated from God. now we get what we fucking deserve, it's as easy as this.
This is the most slavish, most sheepish thing I’ve heard in a while.

>> No.17488244

>>17488221
Then the lazy workers who only did a fraction of the work should be cast into hell.

>> No.17488254

>>17488212
Jealousy in itself is a form of narcissism, to be jealous because someone else (like you) get's entrance into the kingdom of heaven is extremely stupid. The more loving thing to do would be to accept them and forgive them.

>> No.17488275

>>17488231
Do you perceive time?
Do you perceive choice?
do you perceive cause and effect?
therefore whose responsability it is for what you do?
therefore God should just give you the game guide to your life exactly fucking why?
Do you fucking realize how childlike your argument is? I have known a 15 years old kids that lied to his therapist.
His reasoning was that if the therapist couldn't tell he was lying and hiding stuff from him then he was a bad therapist and he didn't deserve his loyalty as a patient.
That is how dumb you fucking sound.

>> No.17488276

>>17488231
>what is free will
Love freely given is worth more

>> No.17488286

>>17488244
One thing the people that Jesus said the phrase "your faith is great" to is that they were helpless and not at all people that followed the Law perfectly. All Gospel is a trust to the weak, and everyone on the earth is weak, wether we like it or not. There doesn't exist anyone on the planet that is entirely good, and if someone claimed that they were, it would be a proof that they are not.

>> No.17488287

Whole lot of midwit athiest cope in this thread
Take the L brainlets

>> No.17488288

>>17488233
you are subversive and belong to the modern elite ideologically
>slaaaaavve! sheeeeeeepp!
I am free from sin in Christ Jesus.
You belong to the powers and principates.

>> No.17488292

>>17488276
There’s no such thing as free will.

>> No.17488294

>>17488212
The Western tradition struggles with questions like these. The Eastern traditions have karma, where even righteous people get repaid for the bad things that they did in the past. (end result is still forgiveness in most cases)

>> No.17488300

>>17488275
>create flawed beings
>whoa, they are flawed! time to punish them

>> No.17488311

>>17488300
he created beings who were limited but not flawed specifically by sin.
We decided to separate from him and disobey
the rest of the history of mankind is God acting like a junkies dad and trying to help him out in any possible way not listening to the assholes telling him to disown his junkie son.
The junkie son is completely disgustingly ungrateful too.
we are both the junkie son I just submitted to fucking rehab.

>> No.17488316

>>17488311
>We decided to separate from him and disobey
So.... we are flawed. Would a non-flawed race do such a thing?

>> No.17488322

>>17488311
and you are arguing that because you decided to listen to dad and go to rehab the day fucking before your brother you deserve to get back to the family home while he should be disowned and left to hobo outside.
The fucking AUDACITY of you niggers, the pure fucking bravado of it always obliterates my lungs with laughter.

>> No.17488329

>>17488311
Which he knew would happen, this is like introducing your son to drugs and then get mad when he becomes an addict.

>> No.17488332

>>17488316
we are flawed by our decision and he's being nice enought to give us a way back
do you even understand the fucking nature of moral choices that you are here writing this bulkshit.

>> No.17488334

>>17488081
Anyways, I'm probably going to read this sometime in the future. I'm curious about the theology and also how a person in the antiquity describes their own life (even though it's certainly written in a way to make a point). It's interesting that he was not only a great inspiration for the Catholic Church but also to Martin Luther.

>> No.17488337

>>17488329
no.

>> No.17488338

>>17488332
But we would have to be flawed to make that decision in the first place

>> No.17488391

>>17488311
Any omniscient God would know what mankind would do, though, wouldn't they?

>> No.17488405

This thread is completely derailed into a shit discussion

>> No.17488506

>>17488405
yeah fucking atheists have no shame they never let us have a fucking thread in peace and then wonder why we don't like them.
>>17488338
having free will is not a flaw.
>>17488391
And perhaps he knows things you can't even imagine him knowing.
Have you EVRR considered that trying to guilt trip someone that litteraly knows everything that happened and will ever happened is not the smartest thing?
we don't even know the nature and mechanics of God"s omniscience anyway.

>> No.17488538

>>17488506
>having free will is not a flaw.
A non-flawed being would choose to not disobey God of their own free will. Using your free will to sin is a flaw.

>> No.17488553

>>17488538
at this point go fuck yourself and fuck me for interacting with you honestly.
you litteraly can't be serious.
Sage and fuck you.

>> No.17488569

>>17488553
Seethe much, Christnigger?

>> No.17488582

Imagine having such low self esteem, no faith in yourself, and a beta fear of death, that you literally can't function as a human being unless an invisible man in the sky tells you what to do.

I don't hate religious people because they believe in retarded shit. I hate them because they are fucking weak.

>> No.17488590

>>17488569
heh right you sure got me with your abominable terrible deliberate miscostruction of what free will is! I will now go cry in the corner while you stay here and be right :')
Fucking moron.

>> No.17488599

>>17488582
imagine having to say that your free will isn't free if you can commit mistakes to convince yourself you won an argument.
fucking kek.

>> No.17488603

>>17488212
You sound bitter as fuck. It's more difficult to renounce to a life of sin than to remain in the right track you have been on your whole life. You should know since you are not free from sin either.
It sounds like you just want to fuck around without realizing that sin carries it's own punishment. Repentance is the way towards Grace.

>> No.17488604

>>17488599
That is someone else, not me. I didn't say free will isn't free if people use it to commit sin, I said people are flawed if they use their free will to commit sin.

>> No.17488605

>all languages derive from Hebrew, as it is the best language
lmfao no

>> No.17488616

>>17488604
...in the context of trying to say that God should have stopped them

>> No.17488621

>>17488616
No, I didn't say that. I said that God should have done a better job creating them so they would not be tempted to use the free will he gave them to do evil.

>> No.17488641

>>17488599
That's the first post I made in this thread. I know it may come as a shock that more than one person thinks Christfags are spineless little weasels, but I promise it's true.

>> No.17488763

>>17488154
infinity + 1 = infinity

>> No.17488843

>>17488091
>what is the Parable pf the Prodigal Son?

>> No.17488888

>>17488081
Tbh his wider Platonic influences and doctrine of predestination turn me off from Augustine. But I respect you none the less Anon, all are brothers in Christ.

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>>17488888
WITNESSED

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>>17488888
>88
Checked

>> No.17490287

>>17488081
pretty much all of the militant atheists i knew back in the 2000's came from catholic backgrounds and in retrospect it seems obvious that it was an expression of discontent with the church itself rather than actual atheism. ironically all the atheists i knew who came from evangelical backgrounds came out as transexuals in the 2010's

>> No.17490331

>>17488300
When you birth a child, are you aware it will be imperfect and flawed? Yes. Do you still punish it for its mistakes and misbehaviors? Yes.

>> No.17490478

>>17488081

unironically me, and we have similar backgrounds

>> No.17490777

>>17488212

Augustine answers this exact question in Confessions, you should give it a read

>> No.17490835

>first I was religion, then I was an atheist edgelord, and now I’m a theist edgelord

Why is this incel rite of passage so popular these days, and why is there never any variation in it? Are sexually starved contrarians that boring?

>> No.17491829

>>17488091
actual retard

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>>17488081
I'm going through cycles. Right now I'm pretty much an atheist again.

>> No.17492610

>>17488621
>bruh just like turn off their brains or something so they don't do bad things my man like man... whoa

>> No.17492705

>>17488163
Were you given informed consent when you were born?

You should remember this parable is about people finding god and a criticism of very conservatives jews who believed that because they were first they deserved all of the power and wealth.

The first will be last and the last first.

This is to protect the youth from being owned by older generations who pass wealth and knowledge and god down. It is benevolent philosophy from a wise king.

>> No.17492789

>>17488081
This but with Luther for me. Learning about his internal strife while being a monk resonated with me as I'm taking Church History right now, and I've always been involved in the Church (while also having internal hatred for myself due to my own sin).

>> No.17492796

I was seriously going to become a Catholic until I saw what my local mass looked like. Guitars, drums, and a sanctuary that would make an Amishman proud. There's a Greek Orthodox church near by, I think I'll check them out. I just a want a community that will at least pretend to take their religion seriously.

Look at this crap. That's a Sunday mass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MppN8Z7NC4

>> No.17492816

>>17488154
>rewarded with going to heaven
Protestant detected

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>this thread
Wow, and I thought nu-atheism died back in 2014 or so...