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and everything he wrote was the 1800s equivalent of schizo-posting.

Change my mind
Protip: You can't

>> No.17511923

Did you read his books?

>> No.17511925

Based Charlatan Unmasker.

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One only tells truths, the other, only lies

>> No.17511959

We can't escape Hegel,
dialectical thinking > Anglo Lockean Cartesian logic
Continental philosophy > analytic philosophy

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>> No.17512039

All major modern currents of sociopolitical thought are Hegelian so Hegel is probably the least pointless philosopher you could come up with.

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>> No.17514103

I read somewhere Hegel was on the payroll of the Prussian state to justify their government. Basically he was a psyop of a defunct nation state but now we're stuck with him. That's why I don't read philosophy.

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>> No.17514136

ironically this conversation is peak phenomenology of spirit
well done op
Hegel deserves to be shat on more.

>> No.17514150

The phenomenology is a just a giant elaborate shitpost, not to be taken seriously. If you took it seriously, you got played.

>> No.17514157

holy shit this autism again.
No, dichotomic thinking a shit, one DOESN'T have to accept self refuting analythic philosophy because Hegel is self refuting too and vice versa.
Two wrongs don't make a right, you just ignore both and get back to the last philosopher who spoke a certain amount of sense and rebuild up from him.

>> No.17514164

He was an obscurantist and a charlatan but he is so much fun to read. His writing has a sort of hypnotizing effect on you, like Deleuze. It's meaningless garbage but in a fun way.

>> No.17515222

Give it to me straight /lit/, is Hegel a meme or not? Is he worth the effort?

>> No.17515231

How is Hegel's philosophy meaningless garbage? Let's take for example the phenomenology, starting from sense-certainity. At what point do you think his reasoning fails?

>> No.17515249

just open up any page of the phenomenology and try to read it in good faith without bursting into laughter. it's so horribly written, like a high schoolers attempt at writing metaphysics. no rigor, no organization, no clarity. just verbose sludge all the way through.

>> No.17515259

There is no "-" in schizoposting

>> No.17515269

Read the introduction, he anticipates that and warn readers. You would know that if you had started reading. Check some secondary source on him if his style seems too weird.

>> No.17515274

Is a frog post all it takes to expose a charlatan?

>> No.17515299

I have no troubles following most sections of the Phenomenology (although my first attempt at reading them was a complete failure - maybe you're still at this stage). The only section that is truly a piece of shit is the one on Force and Understanding, but he basically reiterates and clarifies all the main points in the Observative Reason section, so it's not the end of the world.
I'll say that I shared your impression until I started reading other German idealists. After having worked throught Fichte's Wissenschaftlehre and Schelling's early work and other authors' works, I started getting what Hegel was trying to do. Like, the chapter on Sense-perception is a direct response to Jacobi's doctrine of immediate belief. Once I discovered that, and once I got familiar with Jacobi's actual arguments and terminology, the sense-perception section became crystal clear. The same happened to me for almost every other section.

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>> No.17515397

kek nice

>> No.17515423

I usually get lost in the last fifths of the book. At some point he says "Ok, now we've reached the absolute, so there is nothing left to resolve" but then he still goes on and on about "göttliches Gesetz vs. menschliches Gesetz" (divine law vs. human law or something) and so forth, and I get lost since I just don't get was his goal is there.

>> No.17515633

The one on the right always lies, left is honest

>> No.17516997

The absolute state of /lit/. Hegel isn't the end all be all of philosophy, but he has more impact that anyone else. Don't get pissy because you got filtered

>> No.17517289

an entire philosophical movement came and failed on this very idea.

>> No.17517657

Indescribably based

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