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>at barns & noble
>just wanted an enjoyable no-think read but the only of Donna Tartt they had was Goldfinch
>maybe it’s a sign to read high-brow again
>spend $16 on Lot 49 even though I hated Gravity’s Rainbow
>start reading
>Pynchon prose is still shit
>trade for perfume
>left spending only 2$
>get a quiche
Stop buying into the shitty Pynchon meme and get some actual works of literature. Everyone who reads meme books like GR and Atlas Shrugged for intellectual points is scum, start reading for actual enjoyment. There are still high-brow works that don’t involve consuming human feces.

>> No.17660185

no

>> No.17660191

>>17660185
poop-gobbler

>> No.17660223

>>17660179
vineland was great

>> No.17660234

>>17660223
Synopsis?

>> No.17660554

>>17660179
This is true. Never really tried to read Pynchon though

>> No.17660982

>>17660179
>shopping at Barnes & Noble
hahaha

>> No.17661160

>>17660982
I know, there was a 2nd hand bookstore across the street but I chose capitalism

>> No.17661166

>>17661160
Why

>> No.17661171

>>17661166
I was with my old man, I wanted to make him proud

>> No.17661262

>>17660234
>asks for a synopsis of a pynchon book
KEK
>>17660179
Pynchon novels are great. Gr is his best i've read. Some of the best scenes in there are the coprophagia scene, the one where katje eats out blicero's synthetic/wire-pubes boypussy and kisses blood onto gottfried's back, endless tchitcherines fucking slothrop up, the one with the drunk apes running around because of the gunshots, theres really too many to count.
The prose was pretty good, but the scenes and architecture are just too awesome. Best ending of any novel i've ever read.
You got filtered, but its ok - many people prefer mid/late pynchon's prose. I havent read past vineland. Also crying of lot 49 just isnt that good. Pynchon himself called it a failure

>> No.17661465

What's with all the Perfume threads lately? I know it's a popular books but I swear there have been way more threads about it than usual.

>> No.17661476

>>17661171
Going to a chain bookstore with a coffee shop in it won't make your dad proud unless he's the kind of guy who wears a scarf indoors

>> No.17661508
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17661508

>>17661171
>be me
>with my fag son
>says he wants to go to bookstore
>remember my boomer friend owns a used bookstore in town. maybe we can catch up when were there
>fag son wants to go barnes and noble instead
>complains about his boyfriend thomas the whole way in
>buys a book called perfume and leaves
>god where did we go wrong

>> No.17661515

>>17660179
I tried to read Gravity's Rainbow the other day and within the first 5 minutes he was describing a guy zerking off with a banana, I'm not going to waste my time reading anything written by a weirdo degenerate.

>> No.17661516

>>17661508
Should have been a stronger influence in his life I guess. Sorry he turned out that way.

>> No.17661575

>>17661516
Only a fool believes they can truly raise a child

>> No.17661957

>>17661508
Kek I unironically met up with my ex boyfriend to get my shit back before we went to BnL it was embarrassing. >>17661476
I’ll only be going to the second hand bookstore from now on then, jeez. I just wanted to find something easily but you guys are right, literally the only Nabokov book they had there was Lolita and it was with the shitty cover that he didn’t want.

>> No.17661975

>>17661515
>written by a weirdo degenerate
People seem to think anything with degeneracy is a “work of art”. They completely through anything about composition, prose or execution out the window if an author throws a random scat scene in their novel. It’s disgusting that authors have one hit and think that gives them a pass to be degenerates and pass it off as 2deep4u. You didn’t even get to the shit-eating part, I wasted at least 160 pages on GR before throwing it into the fire while I could have been reading Moby Dick online.

>> No.17661988

>>17661975
>They completely through [sic] anything about composition, prose or execution out the window if an author throws a random scat scene in their novel
But GR is brilliantly composed and executed

>> No.17662086

>>17661988
It’s not, it reads the same way fanfiction written by sexually repressed 30 yo women does. It’s layout is sloppy, you can hardly tell who’s talking half the time and not in a charming way like DFW.

>> No.17662089

>>17662086
>DFW is better than Pynchon
He's just an imitator

>> No.17662097

>>17662089
Then the pupil has surpassed the master

>> No.17662115

I recently fell for the Blood Meridian meme after peer pressure from this board. Can someone explain why Pynchon's books often appear as "books similar to Blood Meridian" on goodreads/amazon lists etc?

>> No.17662131

>>17662115
Because /lit/ posters flock to them. They are as far apart as possible.

>> No.17662151

>>17661988
Its chaotic. Its structure is rough and I dislike now on reread a lot of what he was half-assing in it. The best section was 'in the zone' because it is relatively straightforward and relies more on writing than maneuvering. His general prose is also more polished in later books like inherent vice.

>> No.17662158

>>17662089
DFW is closer to Delillo than Pynchon. Try reading him instead of getting memed.

>> No.17662199

>>17662131
I see, what do I read after Blood Meridian though (except Moby Dick and the Border Trilogy)?

>> No.17662293

>>17662199
If you want to go for more McCarthy, then Border trilogy is really the best to go to. Set in the same landscapes but entirely different in other ways. Alternatively, read Outer dark. It is proto-BM. Anybody who liked BM should definitely read it.

For non-Mccarthy recs, Paradise lost is great as a follow up. BM has quite a lot of allusions to it and Satan is one of the templates for The Judge. Definitely reread BM after Paradise lost, you'll notice quite a few things that you didn't at first.

If literary westerns is what you want, then can't go wrong with Lonesome dove. Alternatively, Warlock is just as good as LD.

>> No.17662336

>>17662293
based, thanks

>> No.17662354

>>17662336
Welcome fren

>> No.17662363

>>17660179
>filtered by Goldfinch

>> No.17662384

>>17662363
Tartt has only one good book as of now and it's her first one.

>> No.17663151

>>17662158
who cares...DFW himself said he was just copying Pynchon

how can a person with so much intelligence copy someone better than him and pretend that he's an artist..no wonder he hanged himself

>> No.17663272

>>17660179
>atlas shrugged
>high-brow
>in any way comparable to pynchon
>mentioned in the same sentence as GR
come on, I got filtered by Pynchon, but even I wouldn't stoop that low

>> No.17663289

>>17663151
Show me where he said that. He never even praised Pynchon like he did Delillo and McElroy.

>> No.17663351

>>17660179
>start reading for actual enjoyment
i read pynchon for enjoyment

>> No.17663375

>>17663289
i ain't feeding you shit
go watch his interivews

>> No.17663409

>>17663375
You know bullshit retard. Keep making shit up to sate yourself.

>> No.17663452

>>17663351
You show acute symptoms of obsession with Juvenilia.

>> No.17663523

>>17663409
confirmed pseud
hasn't seen a single interview and posts here and pretends to read..typical DFW bandwagoner desu

>> No.17663554

I don't know I just see nothing in the guy and if I say so on /lit/ people just call me filtered. I really don't know what I am doing wrong.

>> No.17663573

>>17663554
The only thing you are doing wrong is taking /lit/ seriously.

>> No.17663652

>>17663523
Keep projecting retard. You only have baseless claims. DFW is living rent free in your head.
>Nooo, muh Pynchmeister is not famous enough
>*basedjakface.jpg* DFW sucks!!
Pynchon's entire legacy is living precariously through DFW for relevancy among pseuds.

>> No.17663696

>>17663554
Pynchon's fanbase apparently has more teenagers than DFW's. Only reason they aren't as annoying is because they are few; nobody really gives a fuck about him outside of niche circles.

>> No.17663736

>>17663652
>Pynchmeister is not famous enough
are you a female or just a tranny? what's wrong with you, anon? chill yo tits...Pynchon never wanted to be famous. He will go down in history as one of the finest authors while DFW is already history.

>> No.17663740

>>17663696
>nobody really gives a fuck about him outside of niche circles.
and how is giving a fuck relevant to the quality of his writing, may i ask, you feckless cunt?

>> No.17663750

>>17663740
Look a butthurt teenager is already here.

>> No.17663771

>>17663740
I wouldn't know. No one explains why his writing is good to me.

>> No.17663777

>>17663736
>DFW is already history.
Kek. Do you get all your opinions from this place alone? No more proof is needed that you are a pseud.
>Pynchon never wanted to be famous
AHAHAHAHAHA! Sure he called you and told you that! Cope of the highest order. You can stop crying now.
>He will go down in history as one of the finest authors while DFW is already history.
In your fantasyland only, you are a teenager 100%. You'll come around.

>> No.17663784

>>17663740
You have serious lack of reading comprehension. That anon never commented on his writing. You are seeing things that aren't there because you're butthurt. Chill

>> No.17663796

Pynchon is just mutts coping with the fact that their country hasn't produced a good writer in 70 years.

>> No.17663826

so many trans people in here today
i hope he/they/she/him/it don't engage in useless discourse...

>> No.17663836

>>17663826
I come here to remind myself that poltads like you are every bit as insufferable as libtards.

>> No.17663844

>>17663826
>she/it says this while engaging in the discourse.

>> No.17663847

>>17661262
>Also crying of lot 49 just isnt that good. Pynchon himself called it a failure
pseud spotted

>> No.17663998

>>17663847
i know that he said it has a glandular issue, and yet it's good enough...miles better than Broom of the System or whatever that bullshit DFW imitation is

>> No.17664265

>>17661508
Jesus, sorry to hear that man. Greatest fear of my life is my kid would go on the internet and become a fetishist or troon out or something . Girlfriend is even more sacred. We plan to move back to her hometown in the Italian countryside and raise our kids without a computer for as long as we can.

Any warning signs? mistakes? Do's, Do-not's?

>> No.17664499

>>17661262
>GR was good
>immediately jumps to coprophagia scene like it’s not been written about hundreds of times since it made him lose the Pulitzer.

Didnt actually read it lol try again.

>> No.17664514

>>17663847
Absolutely Lot49 fucking rocks and this is coming from someone who absolutely hated Pynchon just a year ago. There’s something about his books where the beginnings are a drag but you just sort of submit 1/4 of the way in and you’re so engrossed in them. Same with V. You can’t beat that first chapter either, suck hour, boy with the golden screw, funniest stuff I’ve ever read.

>> No.17664531

>>17661508
Lmao, your dad dislikes you OP

>> No.17664571

>>17662363
I wasn’t filtered by goldfinch I just wanted to read Little Friend or The Secret History. Goldfinch felt to depressing at the moment.
>>17663554
It’s a loud minority thing. Most people who talk about him haven’t even read him.
>>17663736
>nooooo someone who doesn’t agree with me much be a minority or woman !
>us true gamers...
typical Pynchon stan

>> No.17664764

I recently finished Inherent Vice and like, it was a chore but the aftertaste was fantastically blissful but yeah, reading it was a chore until the final 60 or 70 pages

>> No.17664808

>>17664764
And I feel like unlike DFW, Pynchon doesn't really have enough ideas going on for him, unlike in The broom of the system, Inherent vice is just him referencing 60s pop culture over and over again and a plot that tries too hard to be paranoid, funny dialogue tho

>> No.17664848

>>17664808
Like The broom of the system and Infinite Jest are enjoyable all the way through, even the tedious parts are brimming with things to say whereas with Pynchon, it's just him having a laugh half the time (probably at his readers lel) and not making much sense

>> No.17664925

>>17664571
>typical Pynchon stan
my name is Profane

>> No.17665512

>>17664265
It is every good father's greatest fear that their children might become trannies just like dad

>> No.17665562

>>17664848
>things to say
that's the worst part of DFW
he tries too hard to sound smart..total redditor

>> No.17665891

>>17665562
In his earlier stuff, yeah but in The pale king and Oblivion he really mellows out, he was very mature by then.

>> No.17666046

>>17664808
>>17664848
This desu
>>17665562
So does Pynchon

>> No.17666089

>>17664808
He has a lot of ideas you just have to be smart enough to perceive them

>> No.17666130

>>17666089
Throwing an idea out / name dropping and then not expanding in any way shape or form is false depth and a hack writing style. Sometimes Pynchon circles around on ideas but rarely is merit put into it. He’s a hack.