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Why exactly don't we use names? This is a pretty small board and we'd probably be more productive in actually discussing literature more often and well if everyone or at least most people had an optional name at hand ready to use whenever trying to post seriously.

There is no rating system on this site and no need to have a name if you don't want to, so the argument "because of le reddit bad and anonymous good" is kind of stupid; having names wouldn't turn this board into reddit hell, it'd just mean that you can develop a reputation if you chose to and prove to /lit/ at large that you're worth listening to.

I'm probably out of the loop on this topic--so yeah, I dunno, honest question.

>> No.17675578

I'm prepared to use a handle.
How do you confirm its always "me" using this handle?

>> No.17675579

>>17675572
Why the hell would you need a reputation if people can just judge the quality of the post they're looking at?

>> No.17675580

>>17675572
i always thought the id system on biz and pol was good, why isn’t on every board? would save everyone a lot of time and trolling

>> No.17675591

>>17675572
Anon you're so fucking cute

>> No.17675592

>>17675572
OP here
I'm also a tranny

>> No.17675598

It’s because instead of worrying who you’re speaking to you’re going to be more focused on what they’re saying you fucking dolt.

>> No.17675604

>>17675580
>would save everyone a lot of time and trolling
that's what makes 4chan itself
the only reason /pol/ and /biz/ have it is to stop political astroturfing and trading schemes respectively

>> No.17675606

>>17675580
yeah this is a good compromise

>> No.17675611

>>17675572
>>looks at filename
OP is Chink confirmed.

>> No.17675612

>>17675572
>anonymous submissions don't seem to be doing it for me
>Can't we invent a way I can "don't you know who I am?!?" through 4chan too?
No, and you should be glad about that. It's probably your only opportunity to see how little you are worth.

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>>17675578
use a tripcode. just put ## and some password behind your name. Example would be above. I'm op, but this is what a "secure" name would look like.
>>17675579
1. This is not to have a reputation in the sense of social points to dominate, but as a requirement for solidified relation entirely. I presume you need reputation of any sort to establish a lasting relation, what reputation and relation are exactly is open for debate. I believe though that either would lead to lasting relations which in turn cause lasting arguments at all.
2. Arguments; having a name creates persona and having a self to represent encourages activity, conflict, individuality--broadly.
This is just an asumption though, relating having a self to express from truly* with having a name.
I'd just want to try it out to see if I'm wrong.

>> No.17675625

>>17675617
>2. Arguments; having a name creates persona and having a self to represent encourages activity, conflict, individuality--broadly.
you're defiling the purity of the board and violating the norm, and for this, you must be purged altogether

>> No.17675628

>>17675598
clearly not helping, is it

>> No.17675629

>>17675572
we can't samefag with names idiot

>> No.17675632

>>17675572
Go to reddit. Seriously. If you want to deanonymize, get out of here, you fucking faggot.

>> No.17675633

>>17675572
Sad, so sad. You want to be in the cool kids club but you just can’t hang.

>> No.17675634

>>17675612
No. This is bullshit. By fact of people visting this board: this is a gathering place, and a gathering place is a primitive community. With anonymous posting we build a city each day and raze it, to build another the next. We are the cities we build, there cannot be a market place of exchange, relation, in a razed city. This place is like a small town but not having t h e o p t i o n for identification makes it seem like an infinite desert. This is not a requirement, I can't force you to do anything, you're making it seem like this is intending to be such.

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>>17675572
This is dumb as shit. Shut up

>> No.17675642

>>17675617
>I believe though that either would lead to lasting relations which in turn cause lasting arguments at all.
Sounds fucking horrid. Knowing the tripfags and their stupid opinions which they shill in every thread REALLY contributes to the quality of the board. The worst thing is that they don't even make their case, they know they have a reputation and a bunch of quirks and opinions associated with them so their posts become more and more lazy, essentially being made just to remind other anons of their existence.

>> No.17675647

>>17675634
You have the option to take a name or trip. Just like everyone else has the option to then filter you out of their lives. You don't want to do that unless all anon do the same. We're not your personal army.

>> No.17675652

>>17675640
kys fag

>> No.17675653

>>17675634
That's a bunch of dogshit rhetoric trying to disguise the simple fact that you want to garner attention to yourself. The norm here is anonymity and if you violate it you will be relentlessly mocked and shamed. Butter-chan is the sole aberration and that's only because she's addicted to the humiliation.
>This place is like a small town but not having t h e o p t i o n for identification makes it seem like an infinite desert
No, this is an oasis of anonymity in a desert of namefaggotry.

>> No.17675654

>>17675617
Thank you OP

>> No.17675658

>>17675642
They are ousted as tripfags. That is what makes them assume the role of an ousted individual by being an individual through tripfagging. They post like tripfags and always the same stuff because you make them assume this role.
>>17675634 Being able to oust someone as anything, and individualising them by force, having a name is not doing that, alone is proving that this gathering place is indeed already a community in all language but name, a nameless language.

>> No.17675659

>>17675634
>This place is like a small town but not having t h e o p t i o n for identification
There's a name field at the top everywhere you can submit a post, you fucking retard.

>> No.17675667

>>17675617
yeah this is such a cancerous idea. what anon in >>17675579 said is right, if by some cosmic chance a retard makes an insightful take, we are blessed to have that information and take it as is, having reputation allows for more "reputable" individuals to control herd dynamic because it is much harder to convince onlookers you have proven someone wrong if it is already made up in their minds that the person in question is usually right. have your (You) and leave

>> No.17675670

>>17675617
sounds like you're new and have no idea what tripfaggotry leads to. enjoy the attention and being a gigantic faggot

>> No.17675671

>>17675658
>They post like tripfags and always the same stuff because you make them assume this role.
Tripfags are always terrible posters. If they didn't want to be treated like tripfags, they could just turn off their trips.

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>>17675652
I WILL FUCK YOU

>> No.17675676

>>17675667
That's what the talk about 'a village' is, it's desire for factionalism and e-drama. 4chan is the one place on the internet (relatively) free of interpersonal bullshit drama and this guy's literally like "hmm shouldn't there be more drama?"
NO

>> No.17675677

>>17675642
Good morning

>> No.17675679

I think I'll go back to being anonymous after seeing these responses. At least learning about trip codes was educational.

The desert awaits...

>> No.17675680

>>17675653
That is simply a matter of perspective. Oasis and Desert are part of the same grand conceptual scheme, that is the struggle of individuality -- not for individuality; but as a person who possesses as self in a world where everyone does and we see nothing but fools clamouring for attention by virtue of expression without content, content being what is done with the self and not just having it.

>> No.17675701

>>17675680
>That is simply a matter of perspective
That's the point I was trying to make. If you don't see this as a drama-free oasis that's made better by a culture of anonymity and want to change it to something more suitable to your tastes, then maybe this board just isn't for you. Take it as it is or not at all.

>> No.17675707

>>17675676
Does being a person cause drama or having a name. None of us have names and yet this is drama. People cause drama and not having a name doesn't make you any less of a person by yourself, only robs your expression of a sentence factor to multiply your current expression by what you said in the past, improving overall artistic product.
Again, option. I'm calling for tolerance for names; neither am I calling for acceptance of tripfags nor for abandoning anonimity entirely.
The issue creates the drama, lit wouldn't have issues to create popular drama with. Being a name and being a formalized person on the internet, who appears with picture and social points like subscriptions or karma, is quite different--there is another layer for drama potential by having such a formalized system. This would not be possible here and should never.

>> No.17675720

Having to care about reputation is what makes reddit bad in the first place.

>> No.17675722

>>17675701
Experiment. I'd like to see what happens if we adopted such a way of communication for a few weeks. I'm guessing probably nothing. Wouldn't this be perfect?

>> No.17675729

>>17675707
Nobody is stopping you from tripping. Anon knows how to filter and that is what scares you, so you want to convince anon to trip and hope they then don't filter you out of some hope they don't get filtered. Nobody's going to read your stilted prose as anything but anon, anon. Tripping doesn't stop you filtering anyone, and so your fears won't be allayed by your solution.

>> No.17675735

>I'm not being an individual unless everyone else is doing it too
kek

>> No.17675751

>>17675722
>Wouldn't this be perfect?
No. Please go away.

>> No.17675763

>>17675729
no
>>17675735
I never said that
>>17675751
no

>> No.17675766

>>17675572
No. You have to go back.

>> No.17675771

>>17675763
>I never said that
Was that post quoting you?

>> No.17675776

>>17675579
/thread/

>> No.17675777

>>17675572
Because it's better to have each post & reply stand on it's own merit.

>> No.17675813

>>17675777
And why is it better:, I'd like to know; what do YOU -- and I am asking you Anon here -- believe makes a post & reply not stand on its own merit when names are involved? We all know that names are heresy because they develop the devil of reputation which people seem to equate with leverage and drama, how come this devil has no merit?

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17675831

To discourage this cancer, I just ignore/troll them.

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17675836

>Eve bites into the apple, granting her ego, and ruining the world
Anon is a serpent who wants us cast out of this garden

>> No.17675850

I honestly think you should go to Reddit. There's nothing bad about it.

>> No.17675851

>>17675836
His argumentation is highly judaic, it reeks of talmudry and subversion.

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17675888

>>17675836
I am infinitely grateful to Eve.

>> No.17675903

nah, names are stupid

>> No.17675929

>>17675888
Good thing we sweat for food now, instead of chilling in a large garden.

>> No.17675942

I have come to tripfag and call OP a faggot.

>> No.17675944
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>>17675929
>>17675942

>> No.17675959

>>17675831
seethe

>> No.17675963

The answer is that there are already dozens of other literary forums where you can don a name and get your upvotes.

>> No.17675970

>>17675572
>it'd just mean that you can develop a reputation
Then you turn into Reddit where people will create bots to search your posts to justify not engaging with you.

>> No.17675972

we should also get a like and dislike button that bumps or lowers a thread/post so that the quality of discourse can be further enhanced and bad actors can be filtered out from the discussion

>> No.17675978

>>17675813
just because we know names are heresy does not mean that we are immune to the psychological pitfalls they thrust upon us. even if we are aware of these psychological pitfalls, it is such that one can be aware of a bad habit they have, however they can still be driven towards that habit for whatever reason. plus why fix what isn't broke? I just don't see any positive argument for why having names would be better than not having them. the strongest being that it would be easier to trust the sincerity and merit of a post, but you've said it yourself as an argument for using names that "we all know names are heresy" so there really is no point, because if that were true, then having names would just be more work than not for the same end result that is: judging each post on its own merit.

>> No.17675992

Tripfags remind me of that picture where niggers broke into the free condom machine and stole everything. the website provides a useful service to help people who post here, and trannies and women, the niggers of gender, abuse the system and ruin it for everyone to satisfy their impulsive nature

>> No.17675997

>>17675978
that was sarcasm snarcasm, like the snek pics. it was an idea and I like having stability and trust, getting to know people on this board in a sense, to post & reply even better. why not improve what is already good.
I appreciate that you read this far.

>> No.17676008

>>17675972
now THIS is an idea that i like

>> No.17676013

ok im here to discuss literatrue :3

>> No.17676020

I am here to kindly request that the jezebelposting come to an end. Nobody has posted any jezebels in this particular thread, but in general I often see them in the catalog, and that is what I am protesting. I hope by using a name I can bring attention to this particular issue. Thank you all for your cooperation.

>> No.17676025

>>17676020
but...anon OwO girls can read books too

>> No.17676027

>>17675572
becasue I want to call you nigger without you realizing who it is, you worthless pseudo intellectual nigger.

>> No.17676030

I literally cannot stop sucking dicks.

>> No.17676037

>>17676025
I don't care whether girls can read books or not (I'm sure it happens occasionally). I just want the posting of pictures of jezebels (and visible posting by jezebels) to cease.

>> No.17676055

>>17675972
disliked

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>> No.17676064

>>17675572
it's against the culture of the website. anonymity has its downsides, but the upside is that you're encouraged to speak your mind and don't have to conform to some circlejerk because your opinion is tied to an identity that follows you around between threads. names also make it more likely for threads to get bogged down in bullshit where posters familiar with each other discuss resume prior conversations or reference material from previous threads which is bad for discussion overall. plenty of other websites allow for the kind of system you are describing with everything tied to accounts, so when i tell you to go to reddit, i'm not being dismissive, i just don't think every website needs to be the same and would prefer you go somewhere else that fits what you'd like to see rather than changing this website so that it is more similar to every other

>> No.17676079

>>17676013
>>17676020
>>17676030
>>17676061
thread is now dead

>> No.17676086

>>17675572
I agree OP, 4chan was never good because of some ebin meme anonymity, that's the kind of image newfags have of this place from shitty articles form faggot platforms, and this they perpetuate this meme onto 4chan proper. The only solution is stricter jannies, constructive elitism, and social pressure. Censorship is not bad unless I like what's being censored, unironically. But alas, everyone is a newfag, even if they're oldfags, and this it will never come to be.

>> No.17676092

>>17676079
(￣人￣) Hello. I am "Mr. Likes To Sage Threads". I do believe this thread is in need of Sage, so I would like to sage it. That is why my name is "Mr. Likes To Sage Threads".

>> No.17676094

>>17675836
The sweetness of the garden and it's infantilization were necessary for a time, and then God wille dit to end. Simple as. Anything less and you become a filthy d*alist.

>> No.17676103

>>17676086
4chan was never good you fucking newfag

>> No.17676108

>>17676103
Faggot there are good threads even now, this is just a meme you spout to sound like you know shit.

>> No.17676136

There was a period of time where I tripfagged on /cgl/ because most people on there used a tripcode because everyone knew each other and met up at cons. It was fun to become one of the board villains. To know that people hated me when they saw me from 100 yards away. To make new friends and to have a target on my back. It was fun. It was funny. I think back fondly on calling fat girls in dresses itas. But that time is long over. I’m not that person anymore. This tripcode is a me from a decade ago. I’ve changed as a person since then. I don’t feel justified to use it as a person or as a user of this board. Even typing it in felt shameful. This thread is disingenuous and full of bait, primed for newfags who never experienced 4chan in the 00s and early 10s.

>> No.17676147

>>17676136
>/cgl/
We're gonna have to demand pics of you in your costumes to confirm this.

>> No.17676175

>>17676136
But that kind of social pressure would inhibit bad posts to a certain degree, do you prefer the 15 Geunon/Nietzsche/Evola/Spengler threads we get daily in which no one has read the author? Elitism just doesn't work as well with total anonymity. Maybe it used to work but the internet as it is simply cannot foster such an environment without making it extremely niche or making it nosedive in quality. I get that tripcodes and the like have their downsides, I used to be a tripfag myself, but this shit cannot continue. Otherwise, /lit/ will become the next /his/.

>> No.17676196

>>17676175
which is rather sad too. lit is the only board you can post on nowadays, and so topics which should actually be discussed on his or a social board are discussed here. I get why jannies are inactive and all of this stuff is tolerated, there is just no other place to go anymore.
How do we preserve lit, this is an active question we need to ask ourselves. The other boards did not and they ended.

>> No.17676202

>>17675572
>actually discussing literature
/lit/ would need to starting reading to do that. Names aren't gonna do it.

>> No.17676224

>>17676196
I'm suggesting namefagging or tripping, it might turn to shit but at least it'll be different. I used /his/ before it became completely unusable in 2018, I can see similarities between that period and the way /lit/ is now though it isn't as bad yet. If there are better choices we have, I'd suggest them instead, but you can give a kid a flamethrower and expect to not be homeless by the end of the day. We gotta take away the protection of shoit quality posts anonymity provides. You all go on about the classics and rigorous standards, so you should apply that attitude here as well.

>> No.17676227

>>17676175
>would inhibit bad posts to a certain degree, do
It doesn't. Tripfags are the least likely to post anything of value. Some of them post walls of text, some of them spam threads, but none of them have any sort of viable content:posting ratio.
>>17676196
/his/ was an attempt to kick people who read enough to discuss or recommend non-fiction to another board against their will. it didn't work. all it did was get rid of the history general which had more reference to books than anywhere else on the board.
the people proposing this are hoping that the people they see who make good posts and good recs are secretly on their team. it's a team that operates like a YA novel where everyone else has superpowers and then the self insert has no character no skill and no reason to be there except everyone with superpowers loves them beyond all reason.

>> No.17676236

>>17676227
/his/ is a kiddie pool for people that watch little youtube videos about military history and listen to dan carlin podcasts

>> No.17676237

>>17676227
>none of them have any sort of viable content:posting ratio
Frater is one of the best posters on this board, and if nothing else, butterz is generates funny situations occasionally. This isn't uniformly true, it depends on the culture surrounding the use of trips.

>> No.17676243

>>17675572
idea: /lit/ but you need a certain book score to post. if you ever were in the Accelerated Reader program in the united states, it's basically that: there is a list of books, each of which are worth a certain number of points. you can take tests, which quiz you on certain basic (and indisputable) facts of the book (what happened at x, where did y happen), and if you pass, you get the number of points that book was worth (harder books are worth more points)
this way, only people who have actually read a fucking book can post

>> No.17676249

>>17676227
And besides, my point isn't that trips make better posts, it's that they can't get away with as much dogshit as anons do.

>> No.17676262

>>17676237
>Frater is one of the best posters on this
kek, no. If he has a point, he certainly can't reach it in under four walls of text which consist mostly of blowing smoke up his own ass. As an anon, he'd learn not to be insufferable.
>>17676236
Yeah it's not like the people who wanted to discuss books moved there. It's populated by the kind of people who don't want books.

>> No.17676270

>>17676249
>they can't get away with as much dogshit as anons do.
Except they're largely dogshit, with a worse dogshit to good content ratio than anon in general. You have to be near 100% dogshit to be more dogshit than anon.

>> No.17676275

>>17675959
projection

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>>17676147
Couldn't find my CIA cosplay, that one was my favorite, so here's me checking em'.
I cosplayed Mr. Foster. I also did Biker from Hotline miami (got some nice swag from Devolver Digital). The dude from katawa shojo because my ex did the blind girl. The dude from Streets of Fire. The blues brothers. Ricky from trailer park boys. Joe from the protomen. Patrick Bateman at the height of dubs. Pro skub. Tf2 spy.


It was fun. I miss those days.

>> No.17676303

>>17676262
kek, no. If he has a point, he certainly can't reach it in under four walls of text which consist mostly of blowing smoke up his own ass. As an anon, he'd learn not to be insufferable.
>can't do a little reading on a board that is for the discussion of literature
His points are clear and, while they are long, he does more than just make soundbite tier comebacks and hot take threads. He actually discusses literature, which is more than what most posters do.
>>17676270
That's because there are so few trips and so many anons so you can't tell if there are just a few bad anons or a lot of them. That's the essence of the issue, I could wrong but we just don't know.

>> No.17676307

>>17676291
>anon not only provides pics, he cosplays as book characters
If you'd timestamped this I would find it hard to call you a faggot. But you are a faggot.

>> No.17676318

>>17676303
>make soundbite tier comebacks and
They're padded and often completely shower thoughts devoid of any board related content. Since you can't quote properly or read comprehensively, I doubt you'll be able to work out why your accusation I can't do a little reading won't stick, but that is your problem, not mine. If you want to suck mediocre dick for less overall relevant content, go ahead.

>> No.17676323

>>17676262
>I don’t want to read on the reading board.

>> No.17676333

>>17676303
>just a few bad anons or a lot of them
Except the trips are more dogshit. See >>17676270 again you seem to not understand my point.

>> No.17676336

>>17676307
I don't have a time stamp, but here's an archived thread of people calling me cringe and a faggot back in 09.

https://4chanarchives.com/board/cgl/thread/8951393

>> No.17676341

>>17676323
>reading crap is totally as valid as reading something worthwhile
>that means if you don't want to read crap you don't want to read!
You got it, genius.

>> No.17676354

>>17675572
4chan is older than reddit. Consider that next time you open your mouth.

>> No.17676364

>>17675617

>> No.17676378

>>17676318
>devoid of any board related content
He mentions specific texts in every post where he isn't (in an admittedly autistic manner) posting his poetry. Is religious literature not literature?
>can't quote properly or read comprehensively
This is the equivalent of doing the retarded "w-well you made a minor spelling error so you're wrong" thing, c'mon you're better than that.
>I doubt you'll be able to work out why your accusation I can't do a little reading won't stick, but that is your problem, not mine
Bit of a cop-out, his posts aren't exactly difficult to comprehend.
>If you want to suck mediocre dick for less overall relevant content, go ahead
Once again, why is it irrelevant? And please, tell me your solution that doesn't have the risks mine does.

>> No.17676383

>>17675572
The beauty of this board is that you are given the benefit of the doubt and will most likely be listened to, regardless of reputation. Everyone has a say.

>> No.17676395

>>17676333
Look I don't think you're getting what I'm saying either, you're taking the quality of the trips we have now and assuming that if there we more trips the same kind of people would become trips and would post things of a a similar quality. There aren't even that many trips to begin with, and the only truly annoying one is that all caps guy. The individual trips we have right now don't matter as much as not allowing anyone to post dogshit without repercussions. You don't seriously think most of the bad posts come from trips do you?

>> No.17676396

>>17676318
Are you the anon that called the Republic shower thoughts ?

>> No.17676399

>>17676383
>Everyone has a say
But this is not a good thing

>> No.17676415

>>17676395
It's very difficult to undermine the ideological pinnings that so vibrantly underlie this place since its inception nearly two decades ago. When one poster can be pointed out among the crowd their quality is going to be judged more harshly than the sea of others. The same reason you believe tripcodes will raise the quality of the board is the same reason the other anon things it will bring down the quality.

>> No.17676421

>>17676399
It stops us from being stuck in an echochamber, where all the opinions we hear come from the same high-rep people, and where everyone else, regardless of potential, must first garner rep before they are given any consideration. Anonymosity puts everybody on the same pedestal, kind of like communisn unironically. This is the only case I will tolerate where we adopt a communist system.

>> No.17676428

>>17676415
It will totally, totally bring it down.

>> No.17676437

>>17675972
Based.

>> No.17676440

>>17676421
But in communism people are assessed by their needs and abilities on an individual level. When the world is anonymous there are no points of data to collect to find these facts out. You are victim to assuming everyone posts in good faith at that point, which, obviously, isn't true as the layers upon layers of meta irony pile upon themselves with the endlessly needless references upon references commodified and symbolized within the boards culture already placate the basis of general conversation. The realty of our situation is, in fact, the exact opposite of what you propose.

>> No.17676445

>>17676378
He rarely mentions a specific text without a wall (or two) of shower thought tier text which doesn't actually add to the content of the discussion but which largely caters to those who like the comfort of others' shower thoughts. It's a maudlin stylistic choice which makes most of his words more relevant to livejournal than to literature, and most of his audience those who seek companionship more than content or challenge.
>This is the equivalent of doing the retarded "w-well you made a minor spelling error so you're wrong" thing
>No I shouldn't have to lrn2 4chan
Yes, that is a hypothesis you can try to test. See how far it gets you.
>his posts aren't exactly difficult to comprehend.
This combined with the length allows people who are lonely and unchallenged to convince themselves they're doing something worthwhile, something bookish, while also ignoring they never seem to get to the book part. It is not the content, or its relevance to literature which makes those posts popular, and I am being repetitive about that point for reasons I've previously highlighted. There is a misconception that length somehow confers value, more generally than just with this trip, along with a lot of other factors which combine to form his fans' utter obliviousness to his lack of content. It's not simply him, as it relies on his fans not knowing enough to know how information poor he is, and not being able to detect the difference between shower thoughts and board relevant posts, along with their desperation for a peer group which validates their self. It's a damaging dynamic not just for him, but also for the anons who convince themselves it was as worthwhile reading shower thoughts as it was to read books. It's how people mutually condemn themselves to a safer mediocrity, the stuff of last men.

>> No.17676449

>>17676421
Hi, boomer here, just wanted to add to this a little experience. In the mid to late 90's internet anonymity was the normal and default kind of natural way of things. I remember my father telling me not to use our family name in my user id on msn chat in 2002.

>> No.17676454

>>17676428
But isn't that the running gag of the entire website for the past 17 years? That 4chan has always been shit and that people are constantly talking about how it 'used to be better' but that it 'was never better, it's always been shit.' It's as if I've been watching in real time the degeneration of generations who say that 'the kids are wack!' and 'the youth of today is worse that before'. It's like seeing a constant rebirth on replay over and over and over again. People end up spending so much time here they finally realize that it's quality and uniqueness aren't as interesting as they thought it was when they were bright eyed and bushy tailed and they subsequently blame it on a degradation in quality. I just don't believe it.

>> No.17676455

>>17676395
>no, we'll magically get good trips if only all the people who don't want to trip suddenly want to trip
Did you spend too long in a millenarian literature thread or something?

>> No.17676456

>>17676445
tl;dr you ironic faggot

>> No.17676459

>>17676454
That's besides the point. I mean, you know there's causality and there's the other thing.

>> No.17676463

>>17676415
>It's very difficult to undermine the ideological pinnings that so vibrantly underlie this place since its inception nearly two decades ago
No point in trying to, just wait for the next autistic brand that comes after tradfaggotry. In the meantime, all we can do is try and lessen the damage of the ideology in question and cultivate quality content.
>When one poster can be pointed out among the crowd their quality is going to be judged more harshly than the sea of others
Would you say this is bad? If so, why?
>The same reason you believe tripcodes will raise the quality of the board is the same reason the other anon things it will bring down the quality
Anons don't know what they want, most of them just do whatever makes others give them upvoots by calling them based. They can either have good discussion or what they want, not both.
>>17676421
Disregarding the odd political allusion, while echochambers should be avoided, and I'm not saying everyone should eschew anonymity, there's a balance to be reached between echochamber and the low quality whirlpool we find ourselves in. We just need a few small adjustments, no amount of effortposting can change the board, as it never catches on.

>> No.17676469

>>17676396
No. But the bit about banning poets does sound like some shit someone came up with while stoned in the bath listening to Pink Floyd now you mention it.

>> No.17676472

>>17676455
1chan.net is an old board about trains and tons of people on there use tripcodes because the community has been shitposting about trains for so long now. The medium is the message and the medium of an image board includes names, it's only because of the early onset of a particular culture here that names weren't used. It's actually kind of strange that there's an unspoken rule about not using names when the temptation is always there, right in front of you.

>> No.17676474

>>17676456
Irony plays in my favour then.

>> No.17676481

>>17676463
What we need is the mods to crackdown hard on the off topic and the low effort threads. What we can do is don't respond to bait, ignore shitty threads, sage both, call OP a nigger and a retard.

>> No.17676484

>>17676472
>/n/cgl/ trip is talking to me about older chans
I NEED AN ADULT

>> No.17676490

>>17676481
>Saging while not feeding the trolls
idk how you think that works

>> No.17676491

>>17676481
Yeah and report the fuck out of them.

>> No.17676494

>>17676490
.

>> No.17676499

>>17676463
I've always seen tripfagging and its attention grabbing capabilities as a tool that should be used for a particular purpose. People that make specific threads about specific things. Threads where people are going to be meeting irl. People who have a deep knowledge about a particular subject. I remember there being some awesome trips on /tg/ who were a savant level of knowledge about things. That was a good use of at trip. Again, /cgl/ meet up threads, trips were useful, they separated the meme kids from the real weebs from the kids that just wanted to do drugs and get laid. I'm not sure what the particular point would be on /lit/ other than in the general threads. There's no other threads with continuity that would be the correct breeding ground for using trips. The /wg/ threads would probably be a good point to use names because then we could identify people's issues in their writing over time, e.g. know what book they have been working on. There's some personalities in there, but they aren't always obvious. How do I know if I'm giving the same bit of advice to the same person who keeps having the same problem? I'm sure it would be funny to see the /sffg/ adopt trips because they're already flinging shit at each other. I'm just not sure what level of accountability of quality you seek when you suggest more trips without a particular purpose.

>> No.17676509

>>17676490
You don't have to but if you want to understand how to use the troll stick you'll have to learn by observation. It is not a technique to be explained via text.

>> No.17676513

>>17676472
While anon >>17676484 is freaking out
>it's only because of the early onset of a particular culture here that names weren't used.
This isn't true. There were lots of trips on /lit/ long ago. They got bullied to death, except butterfuck and REI (the all caps guy). They lasted years longer than OP probably will. They were pretty well read too compared to ones that sprung up since. Bullying everything kept the board strong for a really long time.

>> No.17676519

>>17676484
I don't actually care about trains, I just thought it was a fun fact about image boards. But if you want to talk old chans the guy next to me in a highschool math class that was always asleep was the admin of 711 chan before it got raided/doxed/ddos'd into oblivion.

>> No.17676520

>>17676494
Yeah and then the person replies without sage and the thread gets a bump anyway. It's not a downvote. It's a way of not bumping the thread with your post.

>> No.17676530

>>17676520
You underestimate my intelligence.

>> No.17676531

>>17676513
I suppose that was the time period I wasn't much on /lit/. Suppose I was wrong and generalizing a bit too much about the website as a whole. I bet super slow with knowledgeable people /lit/ was a nice little reprieve from the rest of this god forsaken website.

>> No.17676536

>>17676530
Pretty sure you're human and bump limit is nearly a couple hundred posts away

>> No.17676545

>>17676445
>He rarely mentions a specific texts without a wall (or two) of shower thought tier text which doesn't actually add to the content of the discussion but which largely caters to those who like the comfort of others' shower thoughts
This just simply is not true, I mean he's usually describing a quote or answering a question regarding a topic and then mentioning a book for further reading.
>and most of his audience those who seek companionship more than content or challenge
That's really your take away from his posts about tantra and alchemical Taoism? That the people that appreciate his effortposts want companionship via talking about misconceptions regarding esotericism? Wouldn't they ask him about his life or something if that was the case? I mean I've seen it happen, but only like, once or twice.
>>No I shouldn't have to lrn2 4chan
Very choice reading of my post, I have obviously shown myself to be able to greentext, accidentally not putting the arrow once doesn't mean I need to learn how to 4chan. You're nitpicking here.
>This combined with the length allows people who are lonely and unchallenged to convince themselves they're doing something worthwhile, something bookish, while also ignoring they never seem to get to the book part
This I actually agree with, but how does that reflect on the quality of his posts rather than the quality of the anons that cope via his posts. I sorta see what you mean by people not wanting to be challenged and being contented by his posts now, but seeking companionship doesn't logically follow here.
>It's not simply him, as it relies on his fans not knowing enough to know how information poor he is
You've repeated that he supposedly lacks knowledge, but I yet to see any evidence, only claims.
>>17676455
No we won't necessarily, I've said it could go to shit if we tried this, but if we only gets a certain kind of person tripping, we'll get trips of similar qualities. If we get more kinds of people tripping, the quality will diversify.
>>17676481
That does not work and our jannies do not listen.
>>17676499
Well personally I think adopting trips might allow for anons to recognize which posts are from people who know their shit, rather than gambling on fellow anons. This is a general approach and I see why you're concerned with a lack of direction, but we don't have to start all at once, starting in generals would be a good start.

>> No.17676549

>>17676531
It was slow because you had vehement and knowledgeable arguments lasting for weeks. It was as shitty as any hobby board if you didn't like the hobby, because it would autistically make everything about the hobby. It's reached the stage of popularity where we have people who would prefer to look like they are associated with the hobby more than they would like to actually do it.

>> No.17676555

>>17676472
>when the temptation is always there, right in front of you
its a really good way of weeding out the absolute worst degenerates who cant control themselves

>> No.17676560

Give me three (3) examples of trip/name/avatar fagging making good posts. You won't be able to. Reputation doesn't restrain tripfags because reputation operates through shame, and tripfags are shameless

>> No.17676561

>>17676545
>That the people that appreciate his effortposts want companionship
If you have not seen people engaging with him about his family, personal history or other signs of their desire for companionship and peer identity and discussions with him on the matter alongside those things, you are having a very strange kind of stroke. There's also the chance you're pointedly ignoring those things because you feel it would disillusion you about how worthwhile and intellectual you were being reading shower thoughts. You can choose if it's denial or a stroke, it's not going to matter that much to me.

>> No.17676563

>>17676549
Reading is or rather can be a hobby, literature is an art.

>> No.17676564

Tripfagging / namefagging / avatarfagging has never produced anything of quality (except maybe on sp) and never will and there is literally no point to introduce it when you can just go on reddit.

>> No.17676569

>>17676563
Art takes more work than a hobby. You might prefer to say hobby.

>> No.17676574

>>17676545
>allow for anons to recognize which posts are from people who know their shit, rather than gambling on fellow anons
the fuck is this shit. do you only have two options when reading someone's post - total credulity and complete scepticism?

>> No.17676577

>>17675972
Unironically agree, the anti-reddit shit is taken to extremes, reddit has one good feature, upvotes/downvotes. So long as we keep anonymity it can't be used for toxic reasons like:
>OMG it's that _______ I HATE ________! Downvote downvote downvote

>> No.17676588

>>17675972
Just go post on Reddit.

>> No.17676590

>>17676560
the best tripfag post was from /trek/ on /tv/ when an attention whoring woman tripfag finally gave too much info and got doxed and someone showed up at her work and she freaked out at everybody for not respecting her and stopped posting after years of shitting up the place

>> No.17676593

>>17676577
>it can't be used for toxic reasons like:
>>OMG it's that _______ I HATE ________! Downvote downvote downvote

how exactly do you make it that way?

>> No.17676597

>>17676569
Would you agree that there's a distinction between the ideas of reading and literature?

>> No.17676604

>>17676597
Do you think either is a monolithic idea?

>> No.17676610

>>17676590
sorry it wasn't even after she got doxed and people showed up at her work, it was after she made a discord where she could be queen bee and shill communism, and then she posted some vacation pictures with her boyfriend and people leaked them in the general and she got really pissed off about it because it involved someone she knew not just her, pretty sure thats when she finally sperged out and left

>> No.17676612

>>17676560
>the people that become trips under normal circumstances have no shame
>we can assume people who don't trip have more of a sense of shame
>if they trip, it's unlikely that this shame will suddenly evaporate
>thus we have created trips with shame
>>17676561
Yes like I said it has come up once or twice, once when someone told him to have sex he said it as a rebuttal, that's all that comes to mind. It really isn't that often though, unless I've been missing a lot. Which is possible. But again, I would like proof that he's full of shit.
>>17676574
Why would you assume that? I wasn't saying you should never trust anyone unless you know for certain they know what they're talking about, but a little reassurance would be nice.

>> No.17676618

>>17676577
Checked.
But that's exactly what it would be but with even more extreme results. The veil of anonymity will lead to mob rule in that scenario even worse than reddit. The reason reddit is hated is because of it's ideological milieu, the associations and end result impression of 'reddit' and 'redditor'. Those impressions are delivered through what content is portrayed on their website and that contend is determined by their upvoting system, a system that gives the user complete control as to why or why not they take an up or down action, while at the same time 'stating' rules on what 'should' or 'should' be up/down voted and how. The end result being the cringe you know. While reddit accounts have the listings of individuals vote choices, it's not like that has a dramatic effect on the posters decision as to their action. One of the few real benefits of 4chan is that it doesn't have that system. The quality of a post is judged based on its content not the performative procedural aspects. The earlier poster implying that the number of 'based' a post gets is the equivalent is kinda funny, only because I remember 4chan before the word based and before a post showed the number of replies that the post had. It's already as close to that system you wish it had. I've seen posters on here say that they only look for popular posts and jump on that bandwagon, leaving effort posts left to die.
>>17676555
I agree to an extent. It's interesting to see the dead remains of a website meant for a smaller population.
>>17676549
That sounds nice.
>>17676545
Even so, I'm not sure I'd want to post as a trip outside of this thread unless I forget to delete it from the field. One of the things I like about not having to don a name is that the quality of my posts vary dramatically. I suppose I could remove it for my shitposts, but then it just adds an extra step.

>> No.17676620

>>17676612
>unless I've been missing a lot
You have apparently.
>once or twice, once when someone told him to have sex he said it as a rebuttal, that's all that comes to mind
kek, you should read yourself and never talk to the cops alone.

>> No.17676628

>>17676618
That is true the trip can be annoying; especially if you go to a different board and accidentally keep it on. Feels nice, having that period behind me. But imo that's our faults for not remembering. Just remember it.

>> No.17676635

>>17676262
Define shower thoughts. Can you show me one of my longer replies concerning some text where I make it about my feels or idle conjecture and not interpretation of the text or the like?

>>17676318
They’re not padded, I strive to be clear and concise as much as possible. In what way are my longer posts concerning specific books devoid of content? >>17676445
>He rarely mentions a specific text without a wall (or two) of shower thought tier text which doesn't actually add to the content of the discussion but which largely caters to those who like the comfort of others' shower thoughts. It's a maudlin stylistic choice

Post some quotes where I am needlessly sentimental and personal when I am discussing the theory of tantra, phenomenology, Kabbalah or the like.

>>17676561
Again, which of my longer dedicated posts not related to poetry is shower thought and devoid of content relating to literature.

>>17676612
To be fair; I’ve had people ask me about Gypsy and the like and since there’s no literature concerning it I will explain in detail to the best of my ability it.

But again, where are these overly sentimental, personal shower thoughts that I splice into my posts? They’re often as cold and as condensed as I possibly can make them without Making them annoying. I admit In the speed of my typing I’ll mess up a quote or misspell a word or miss when spellcheck has incorrectly done something. But again, I don’t believe I inject my identity into the majority of my posts concerning literature.

>> No.17676636

>>17676620
I do read though, I would say more than the average anon here but that isn't an accomplishment at all. Why exactly am I supposed to take your word on this without you substantiating your claims? Ironically if you're right you aren't communicating this in the most gracious way.

>> No.17676649

>>17675572
Namefag stans are lower than jannies, simple as

>> No.17676675

>>17675617

>> No.17676691

>>17676612
3 (three) examples, I'm waiting.