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17678325 No.17678325 [Reply] [Original]

What are some more books like Impeachment of Man? Asking for a friend.

>> No.17678390

>>17678325
god i wish that were me (abby shapiro as the mad scientista milker)

>> No.17678404

>>17678325
wtf is happening in that image?

>> No.17678442

>>17678404
they're harvesting horseshoe crab blood. It's really good for medicine and shit.

>> No.17678443

>>17678404
They are taking blood from horseshoe crabs. The blood is blue because of copper ions instead of iron ions as in hemoglobin.

The blood is valuable because it coagulates when it comes in contact with endotoxins, which are parts of the shell of gram negative bacteria.

It's especially used in the pharmaceutical industry for injection pharmaceuticals because even if you sterilize a solution the endotoxins remain and people might die. This allows tests for detecting endotoxins.

The producers claim the crabs don't die from this procedure, this much is true, but I'm not sure if they can recover from the procedure.

>> No.17678444

>>17678404
They have cut open horseshoe crabs to vampirize their blood while making sure they don't die. The horseshoe crabs will spend the rest of their life continuously bleeding for big pharma. Horseshoe crab blood has unique medical properties and all attempts to synthesize it artificially have failed.

>> No.17678450

>>17678444
>There is a high demand for the blood, the harvest of which involves collecting and bleeding the animals, and then releasing them back into the sea. Most of the animals survive the process; mortality is correlated with both the amount of blood extracted from an individual animal, and the stress experienced during handling and transportation.[40] Estimates of mortality rates following blood harvesting vary from 3–15%[41] to 10–30%.

>> No.17678456

>>17678444
>>17678450
though, to be fair, the whole idea is still horrific.
Imagine if aliens did the same thing to humans.

>> No.17678459

>>17678404
the vampirization of life by the techno-industrial system

>> No.17678462

>>17678443
They can't recover. The point is that the harvesting of horseshoe crabs remain sustainable because a single one will keep producing blood for a long time this way instead of just emptying it once then discarding the carcass.

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>> No.17678492

>>17678404
Spic-nig cycle

>> No.17678494

>>17678489
demonic

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>>17678489

>> No.17678509
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God i hate the pharmaceutical industry

>> No.17678536

>>17678489
Anyone upset with this video is a massive faggot and should stick to their tendies. Animals die before we eat them, this is about as consistent and quick as any death could be.

>> No.17678546

>>17678536
>bro it's all good we're doing them a favor don't ask questions
can I feed you to a wood chipper when you're about to die?

>> No.17678556

>>17678489
>>17678494
>>17678505
>>17678509
>>17678546
>NOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN CRABERINOS
When did this place turn into reddit?

>> No.17678568

>>17678556
>NOOOO NOT MY HECKING SHEKELERINOS
when did this place get infested with business majors?

>> No.17678592

>>17678546
It's not a woodchipper though is it retard, its a fucking circular saw through their entire cns at once. So yes please, if i am about to die give me a massive circular saw through my brain and spine in an instant over 99% of other deaths.

>> No.17678600

>>17678556
4chan generally has been normiefied. Where people used to laugh at gore videos now they're all clutching their pearls and joining Greenpeace. It's a disgrace.

I blame the frailty of sheltered zoomers.

>> No.17678601

>>17678592
Where can i sign up for this spinny saw deal

>> No.17678602

>>17678568
>NOOOO I WANT AN OVERWORKED IMMIGRANT WITH A BLUNT KNIFE KILLING MY FOOD BECAUSE ITS MORE AUTHENTIC TO EXPERIENCE OF NATURE.
Neck yourself.

>> No.17678608

>>17678442
>>17678443
>>17678444
>>17678492
>>17678459
I´m surprised this many of you knew the answer lmao

>> No.17678620

>>17678600
>never outgrew the edge of his teenage years
really sad, and many such cases

>>17678602
i don't eat meat so i don't want that either. do americans really think being cool with industrial farming makes them masculine? is there anything that goes through your head that wasn't screened by a corporate think tank?

>> No.17678621

>>17678600
political faggotry insidiously stole its way onto the site to infect everything with collateral moralfaggotry

>> No.17678632

>>17678325
My Twisted World

>> No.17678640

>>17678556
How about I dissect and process your mouth with my dick?

>> No.17678646

>>17678620
1. Not american
2. Who said anything about masculinity?
3. Onions farms are incredibly industrialised or do you have some dumbass romantic notion of small plot farmers?

>> No.17678657

>>17678620
>I get my opinions from NGOs instead of corporate think tanks
imagine being this smug and gay

>> No.17678662

>>17678646
yeah I know where this is going. alternative modes of being are impossible, this is the only way things can be, don't question it, etc. yawn

>> No.17678677

>>17678657
no i get it from study and reflection, my personality hasn't been bankrolled by focus groups

>> No.17678681

>>17678662
then leave faggot
nobody will miss you

>> No.17678729

>>17678600
>>17678621
i disagree i think in some ways old 4chan was more moralistic. more suburban teenage tier indignation. very common generic moralism.

>> No.17678732

>>17678681
hmm this should be the part where you tell me you're gonna order extra bacon on your pizza tonight just to spite me.

>> No.17678766

>>17678677
Studying what buddy
the magical literature that springs out of the unbiased ground

>> No.17678770

>>17678732
Sir, are you trying to solicit sex?

>> No.17678791

>>17678766
everything is biased you child, i can't believe i'm still talking to relativists on /lit/ in 2021. which alphabet agency do you work for?

>> No.17678800

They're just crabs.

>> No.17678804

>>17678791
Take your meds

>> No.17678820

>>17678800
nothing is "just" anything, you need to truncate the reality of those that you enslave because you are a spiritual semite. or maybe just an actual one.

>>17678804
get patched.

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>>17678791
GRA(gay retards anonymous), we are an accidental subsidiary of the CIA that don't know we exist

>> No.17678837

>>17678608
?? Its just a horseshoe crab you moron. It isn't some special not well known animal.

>> No.17679050

>>17678600
Just because I'm vegetarian doesn't mean I don't laugh at rekt threads on /gif/

>> No.17679069

>>17678800
you're just a human *slits throat*

>> No.17679071

>>17678325
This shit is evil

>> No.17679082

>>17679050
> Just because I'm vegetarian doesn't mean I don't laugh at rekt threads on /gif/
the absolute state.

>> No.17679094

>>17679050
>cheesen breather enjoys the pain of others
No surprise here

>> No.17679099

>>17678837
>horseshoe crab
Literally just asked 3 friends and my brother if they knew what a horseshoe crab was and none of them knew lmao

>> No.17679121

>>17679082
>>17679094
It's called moral consistency

>> No.17679137

>>17679121
The dairy and egg industry are just as bad as the meat industry

>> No.17679231

>>17679137
big lettuce industry is the worst

>> No.17679256

>>17679121
no it ist, its called gay rhetorically justified abstraction.

>> No.17679266

>>17679069
>implying humans and crabs have the same value
You're the sick one here fucko. We're a higher lifeform.

>> No.17679367

>>17678456
>Imagine if aliens did the same thing to humans.
vampire alien gf when?

>> No.17679394

>>17678492
Explain.

I’ve noticed the brown people around me in my rural town have very little respect of reverence for nature and the environment as they’re the most prone to littering and just generally being disrespectful.

>> No.17679395

demonic

>> No.17679401

>>17678556
We just grew up and realised Ted K. was right

>> No.17679405

>>17678489
Do they feel pain when this happens?

>> No.17679415

>>17678620
Most people, Americans included, will happily tell you they’re not “cool” with industrial agriculture/slaughter and yet they won’t change their habits at all and they’ll tell hunters and fishermen that they’re evil

>> No.17679419

>>17679394
Have you noticed the rich white men actually destroying the environment and the planet instead of just littering though?

>> No.17679425

>>17679266
>higher lifeform
lmao

>> No.17679429

>>17679401
>grew up
>taking Trannyzinsky seriously
Pick one

>> No.17679447

>>17679367
I was thinking more getting slit across the belly, folded in half and locked in place, and then once they spent a week draining the absolute max blood out of you without killing you, they sew you up and dump you on your front lawn.

>> No.17679452

>>17679266
there is no reason that is not ideological to value homo sapiens more than other animals. now come here you are just a homo sapien let me slit your throat let me suck out your blood.

>> No.17679457

>>17679419
Yes. I worked on a frac site before and it was awful but that’s not one bad actor. It’s obviously not the same as someone using their own arms and legs to destroy plant and wildlife. There’s a Mexican that walks through the woods by the nearby elementary school and everyday he hangs up empty beer and liquor bottles on the branches of the trees when no one is looking and throws his candy wrappers and cigarettes on the ground. Mind you this is 100 ft from an elementary school. This is why I asked about this so called “spic-nig” cycle.

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>> No.17679462

>>17679419
do rich white men destroy the env more than rich brown men per capita or something

>> No.17679465

>>17679415
because the alternative is basically eating industrial waste, and creating your own communities is not allowed without the feds coming and shooting all your family and dog

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>>17679462

>> No.17679478

>>17679472
It is a genuine question, do oil companies owned by whites pollute more than oil companies owned by browns?

>> No.17679479

>>17679465
Work for a decade and save save save. Then buy your own land, you can get chicken, tomatoes, and honey, for days by buying some land down south. Gerogia Im saying, beautiful clay soil, ripe for composting

>> No.17679493

>>17679478
>oil companies owned by browns
It's a statistics thing. You really think there is an even ratio between white and brown people with that kind of wealth and power?

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>>17679459
Miyazaki is the Dark Souls guy?

>> No.17679504

>>17679479
i wish i had chickens, didn't William Henry Gates III buy all remaining agricultural land in america?

>> No.17679519

>>17679493
The point is comparing which type of person is more likely to care about the environment. You can compare the behavior of white and brown peasants to each other, and the behavior of white and brown industry titans to each other. You can't compare peasants to industry titans.

>> No.17679547

>>17679493
so is the essence of richness whiteness or is the essence of richness richness?
you make correlation and contextualizarion part of essence.
if india started industrializing firstand had that legacy would we call the essence of richness browness?

>> No.17679550

>>17679479
I’ve been working for several years and I haven’t even been able to make a dent in my student loans, literally.

>> No.17679600

>>17679496
stop playing vidya
>>17679504
No, I don’t think that’s true. Either way, it doesn’t matter. You can turn any land into useful agriculture land with a few seasons of composting and cover cropping.
>>17679550
That sucks dude, what’s your major and your job?

>> No.17679613

>>17679519
fair

>>17679547
I'm not talking about the essence of either. It's about the concrete power dynamic that is currently in place.

>> No.17679661

>>17679613
>I'm not talking about the essence of either. It's about the concrete power dynamic that is currently in place.
is it though? what would hypothetically make it more of a necissarily white thing than a _ thing? is the most important aspect some essential quality of whiteness? you are saying it’s concretely so a priori when the thing in itself is an abstraction.

>> No.17679667

>>17679661
he was replying to some guy talking about brown people littering more, so he didn't exactly start the conversation on race and pollution himself

>> No.17679712

>>17679661
https://www.celebritynetworth.com/list/top-100-richest-people-in-the-world/

>> No.17679739

>>17679667
understandable, but that doesnt make the inverse true either. saying littering is a brown thing is equally as retarded
>>17679712
good for you you figured out about correlative elements.

>> No.17679751

>>17679712
>#1 Jeff Bezos
>People actually believe this
Our industrial leaders are undefeated. They really, honest to God, play 3D chess.

>> No.17679801

>>17679751
I mean, it's all fake anyway, since that much money doesn't even like, exist. But they get to make the rules, no matter how fucking stupid it is.

>> No.17679826

>>17679425
>>17679452
>Not realizing that rights are a property emergent from capacity to think
>Not realizing that there is probably a higher intelligence ruling over us that possesses rights both in common with lower lifeforms and unique to itself that dictates how it interacts with us.

>> No.17679856

>>17679826
From an evolutionary perspective, crabs are the superior lifeforms, considering they're the ones that keep evolving independently of one another.
We're just monkeys that have to make clothes or we'll freeze to death.

>> No.17679875

>>17679600
I got a BS in economics and I’m a financial analyst at a non-profit. It’s just what I happened to get handed to me when I graduated. Ironically I hate the economy and have little interest in this sort of professional working life thing so even though I could probably make more elsewhere, I haven’t.

>> No.17679890

>>17679801
Incomprehensible post

>> No.17679888

>>17679875
The irony is if you ask for more money, they’ll tell you “oh we can’t it’s a non-profit”. Meanwhile, I work with probably a dozen people everyday who are making more than $150k salaries.

>> No.17679905

>>17679890
Everything is fake. We are trapped, helpless in a machine that runs only on concepts perpetuated by those who profit from them.

>> No.17679923

>>17679905
Meaningless post have a nice day

>> No.17679942

>>17679923
It's only meaningless to you because you still believe the carefully constructed facade. The relief ignorance brings does not change what is.

>> No.17679997

>>17678325
Based pharma

>> No.17680004

Hate humans

>> No.17680009

>>17679942
You only think what you're saying is somehow insightful because you're easily awed by the layers of power at work in the world and your mind. It's really just the projection of solipsism onto others. Claiming the world is "fake" is blatantly meaningless- it's a statement that's purposefully nebulous and always just beyond disproof. Power is real, it acts in demonstrable, concrete ways.
The lie that Bezos is the richest man in the world does not preclude the discovery of the real "richest man" (if that was something worth anyone's time). The superstructure, and the individuals that compose it, the steel-petro-arms-chemical-agriculture-pharma legacy firms that have been accruing government contracts since WWII are obviously far more powerful than the parvenu tech-scapegoats.

>> No.17680022

>>17680009
Can you give me some names of these actually rich/powerful people

>> No.17680063

>>17680022
Standard Oil, Ford, GE, Westinghouse, Bethlehem Steel, TRW/Northrop Gruman, Boeing, Raytheon, United Fruit Company, US Steel, Union Carbide, Dow, Blackrock, GP Morgan, Astra Zeneca, etc. all have owners and CEOs that certainly vastly more powerful than Bezos. They're been producing America's entire armed forces and foreign policy for decades- Bezos' patchwork of shipping contracts are pathetic in comparison. People literally pay to not be listed on "Richest People" lists.

>> No.17680099

>>17680009
You've misunderstood me.
Nothing you've said was in any way in opposition to what I've been saying. Calling Jeff Bezos the richest man is just another construct. It doesn't matter if he really is or really isn't.

>> No.17680111

>>17680099
Not him but faggot

>> No.17680123

>>17680099
No, I understand you're a defeatist coward that's too aloof to actually bother engaging meaningfully with reality so you cope and dismiss the entire thing as "fake" at the slightest epistemological obstacle. Who holds power does matter. One lie does not preclude the existence of truth; it isn't "lies and simulacrum" all the way down, unless you quit.

>> No.17680133

>>17680111
>>17680123

When I cram my fat dick down your throat, you will see what I mean. You'll all see.

>> No.17680144

>>17679405
Who's to say? We'll never actually know.

>> No.17680156

>>17680111
>>17680123
I'm sorry. I got carried away.
Anyway, what I'm saying is that the rules the system are built upon are fake, not the parts.

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>>17680063
How are those more important than Amazon, Facebook, etc. when they are on paper worth less

>> No.17680195

>>17680169
In this a joke?

>> No.17680215

>>17680195
No I dont get it
https://companiesmarketcap.com/
Boeing is at 94 on this list with 131 billion, why do you list it as more important?

>> No.17680255

>>17680215
Beneath me to explain how the company which has essentially existed as the defacto military industrial complex crown corporation of the largest and most advanced air force in the history of the world, being afforded trillion dollar contracts for the research, production and maintenance of planes to ensure global hegemony is more important than a tech company shuffling money around on the stock exchange. Alphabet is definitely worthy of being listed alongside the other firms I have mentioned due to its own involvement with the global security apparatus but the others are not.

>> No.17680269

>>17680255
That doesn't make its CEO richer or more powerful than Bezos, that just means the government uses it to develop technologies

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>>17680269
Okay

>> No.17680288

>>17680275
You don't really have an argument do you, you just read somewhere that Boeing is some ebil powerful company, and that's about as far as your brain is capable of going.

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>>17680288
Guilty as charged, brother. The company that has never actually produced anything or declared a profit is more important than the companies ingratiated with the American government building their ships and missiles and providing them with petrochemicals (because lots of people buy its ETFs)
Teach me to look beyond the first layer

>> No.17680341

>>17680275
Here is the big bad CEO of Boeing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Calhoun
his net worth is 25 million dollars lmao

>> No.17680360

>>17680326
You are very confused if you think Amazon doesn't turn a profit or understand that production of goods is not the only thing in an economy.

The US gives contracts to Boeing to develop tech and then the US uses that tech for its various purposes. It's practically just part of the government, it's not telling the US government what to do and the overall amount of money being pushed around here is not as much as with the largest corporations

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>>17680360
>The military industrial complex is less influential on the US government than Amazon because it has a higher stock price
I'm going to the gym brah, won't check this thread again don't bother replying

>> No.17680403

>>17680397
Why do you think the CEO of Boeing or even its shareholders are calling the shots and not the government who give Boeing contracts to develop the tech it wants?

>> No.17680788

>>17679826
>Not realizing that rights are a property emergent from capacity to think
Whaaat? What is capacity to think? How do we measure it? Can we kill a toddler?
>Not realizing that there is probably a higher intelligence ruling over us that possesses rights both in common with lower lifeforms and unique to itself that dictates how it interacts with us.
Schizo tier argument. Take meds.

>> No.17680818

>>17680397
>Cool. What's your 1 RM?
AHAHAHAHAAH

>> No.17680853

>>17678462
Wait so they keep a couple in a perpetual state of agony like a bile bear?

>> No.17680941

>>17678444
>>17678404
>>17678450
This is bullshit PR. The majority definitely die, perhaps all, I wonder if many are even returned to begin with, because they cannot survive being so depleted of blood even if they don't immediately die their normal functionality and survival would fall short (ultimately failing to recover and reproduce). Not mention behavioural abnormalities.

>> No.17680977

>>17679613
It's not though because the majority of whites are not wealthy and have no say in any of that. And in a country like the USA they are the form the majority of the lower 10%.

Basically, you are racist and perhaps don't even care about the topic beyond that.

>> No.17681005

>>17680977
you're a dumbass

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>>17678325
I hate humanity so much. At least Hitler would have saved the animals.

>> No.17681042

>>17680853
>bile bear
I didn’t know about this. Dear God, we should all be exterminated.

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SOULLESS humanity.

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>>17681042
it just never ends does it. what other horrors are we ignorant of

>> No.17681130

>>17681027
I'm being radicalised again, anon

>> No.17681146

>>17681130
anyone else get so radicalized they no longer can even distinguish between different possible political and social configurations and so have come out not caring whatsoever what happens in politics

>> No.17681147

This is perhaps the wrong thread for this sort of post but I think it's somewhat relevant to how humans treat animals and the like. You know, I flirted with the idea of becoming vegetarian or even vegan. The idea that I was feasting on food that while tasty, was the process of an often extremely cruel system bothered me, at least back then. For a while I began winding down my meat/dairy consumption, with the plan of eventually ceasing it.

But there's a gif/webm that floats around this site, of a Chinese woman eating some form of meat (I think it's tripe or something). There's several actually, showing Chinese and Korean women eating meat, sometimes animals that are still alive or in various states of being dismembered. And I know they are supposed to be stomach-turning, and to some extent they are. But at the same time, to me the woman in these clips seemed like a goddess of sorts. She didn't stop to think if it was right or wrong to do what she did to those animals; she did it because she could and she wanted to. She was so far above them that for her their squirming and pain meant nothing. She doesn't worry about the pain she causes to bacteria, and she was so far above these creatures that they were no better than bacteria, their suffering just as unimportant. To me she was a higher being of sorts. She and I are of the same species, but while I changed my habits and rejected my desires for the sake of the animals, she was confident that she was above them, a being on a higher plane of existence than them. She was on a higher plane of being than me too, because I willing lowered myself for the sake of animals, animals who were so very far beneath her, and perhaps me as well.

And then a sort of jealousy began to ferment in me. I am not her lesser, I am her equal, a human just like her. Why should I debase myself, chain myself down, reject my nature? She didn't. She was a goddess, who took what she wanted, as is her right. Why, as her equal, shouldn't I do the same? Soon, meat found its way back into my diet.

>> No.17681175

>>17681147
I know there are an infinitude of sensations and unique mental qualia, (to objectify what you're talking about, which is so foreign to myself) but this post was extraordinarily cringe and I think irrespective of the actual moral and metaphysical questions you're asking, you just need to have a higher opinion of yourself. Vegetarianism isn't necessarily a lowering of yourself.

>> No.17681218

>>17681130
Watch Dominion.

>> No.17681228
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>From of old, amid the rage of robbery and blood-lust, it came to wise men's consciousness that the human race was suffering from a malady which necessarily kept it in progressive deterioration. Many a hint from observation of the natural man, as also dim half-legendary memories, had made them guess the primal nature of this man, and that his present state is therefore a degeneration. A mystery enwrapped Pythagoras, the preacher of vegetarianism; no philosopher since him has pondered on the essence of the world, without recurring to his teaching. Silent fellowships were founded, remote from turmoil of the world, to carry out this doctrine as a sanctification from sin and misery. Among the poorest and most distant from the world appeared the Saviour, no more to teach redemption as path by precept, but example; his own flesh and blood he gave as last and highest expiation for all the sin of outpoured blood and slaughtered flesh, and offered his disciples wine and bread for each day's meal:—"Taste such alone, in memory of me." This the unique sacrament of the Christian faith; with its observance all the teaching of the Redeemer is fulfilled. As if with haunting pangs of conscience the Christian Church pursues this teaching, without ever being able to get it followed in its purity, although it very seriously should form the most intelligible core of Christianity.
>in our neat water-swilled shambles a daily blood-bath is concealed from all who at their mid-day meal shall feast upon the limbs of murdered household animals dressed up beyond all recognition.
>Only the love that springs from pity, and carries its compassion to the utmost breaking of self-will, is the redeeming Christian Love, in which Faith and Hope are both included of a—Faith as the unwavering consciousness of that moral meaning of the world, confirmed by the most divine exemplar; Hope as the blessed sense of the impossibility of any cheating of this consciousness.

>> No.17681229

>>17681147
>experiencing chinkoid demonism as spiritually exalted
i hope this post is bait

>> No.17681414

>>17681229
>>17681175
I know it's cringy, but those emotions/thoughts sprang forth upon seeing it for the first time and they bothered me a lot. I dunno, it falls into my larger view of environmentalism. I have always considered it a noble cause, but more and more it seems like an utterly lost cause. There's too much damage done, and the gears of the global civilization machine is greased with the blood of innocents. It seems worse than hopeless. She offered another path, where you took what you wanted, where the ramifications of what you did weren't worthy of your concern. (In rereading this and my earlier post, it is worth noting I am probably projecting a ton of stuff on this woman that she didn't intend. I obviously don't know her). She offered another view of the human. Not a dude trying in vain to patch up a system that he has damaged beyond repair, but a person who freed themselves from fear, from guilt, from worrying about the state of the world or of what her actions caused. While others grew stressed/sad/doubtful, she transcended it all.

Of course, taking this to its logical ends results in a world that would be rather horrible to live in. (I guess Kant wouldn't approve). I don't know, I didn't mean to offend or draw ire. I am very torn/confused internally about this topic. When I eat meat, I'll often get the guilt/mixed-feelings, but then the thought that being guilty is foolish because many people have already ascended to a place where that guilt isn't there.

>> No.17681449

>>17681414
it isn't about trying to reform the system, you extract yourself from its evil no matter what, the rest be damned. this woman transcended everything but her compulsive desire to feed on still-wriggling flesh. how very convenient.

>> No.17681464

>>17681147
you might interested to know too that veganism/animal rights/etc is actually an offshot of the abolitionist movement. literally, their thought process is "we freed the slaves, why not the rest of the animals too?"
i feel the same way as you - that empathy lowers you to what you bestow it upon

>> No.17681532

>>17681464
>no one abstained from animal products before americans abolished slavery
you don't really believe this, do you?

>> No.17681628

>>17681532
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism#Origin_of_the_term
there are reasons to be vegetarian which are distinct from this (like buddhism), but the hardline vegan ideologies all stem from the same root, which is abolition

>> No.17681650

>>17681628
the manichaeans preached veganism long before whatever caricature of radical american liberals you're trying cook up here. eat your veggies nigger

>> No.17681750

>>17681650
there hasn't been a manichaean for probably a thousand years at this point, i don't think you can claim any meaningful relation between it and veganism. meanwhile, these "caricature of radical american liberals" are very real and alive to this very day, and the reason why they believe in so-called "animal rights" is exactly because it comes from that same impulse that caused their forebears to free the slaves. you can come to terms with that and its (frankly fucking hilarious in my opinion desu) implications however you want to, but it is literally the truth

>> No.17682403

>>17678404
Dehydration of garloids

>> No.17682450

>>17681464
>>17681628
You might as well say that vegetarianism and anti-vivisectionism are intrinsically fascist because they were heavily associated with those ideologies too.

>> No.17682648

Would you chug one of those bottles for 500 bucks? Assuming no harmful side effects

>> No.17682665

>>17681147
what no pussy does to a mfer

>> No.17682719
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17682719

>>17681147
I share a literature board with retards like this

>> No.17682944

Hunting animals for food: based
Putting animals through an industrial torture machine for the rest of their lives so we can harvest their blood to make the process of manufacturing pharmaceutical products (most of which we don't even need) slightly more convenient: Demonic

>> No.17682963

>>17681129
hope you dont buy and eat any meat from a grocery store dude. its all factory farmed and makes this shit look like nothing in comparison and the scale is millions of times over.

>> No.17682973

>>17682963
of course I don't. why do you think I said it never ends?

>> No.17682990

>>17678646
Most onions are grown for livestock feed, so if you're gonna cry about you have to cry about meat too

>> No.17683057

>>17679405
if they do it wouldn't be in the same sense we do. their nervous systems aren't the same, very simple in comparison. however we don't really know for sure

>> No.17683068

Blue blood? How come I’m just now hearing about this?
I’ve watched things about trilobites. I bet they had blue blood too.

>> No.17683289

>>17678489
Why are you playing it in reverse?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpNeoxFOLcI

>> No.17683371

>>17683068
If you weren't a pleb, you'd have blue blood yourself.

>> No.17683383

>>17682403
It's called milking you imbecile

>> No.17683465

>>17678404
Milking pineals

>> No.17683545

>>17681147
based

>> No.17683633
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17683633

>>17681043
but seal clubbing is justified, we gotta watch out for the penguinbros

>> No.17685045

>>17681147

It's literally the opposite way around - YOU were higher than the subhumans who have not attained an understanding of nature and cause unjust suffering to a creature. If doing so is what constitutes a god, then I despair.

>> No.17685096

>>17683633
Why use clubs? Literally a knife would be better.

>> No.17685104

>>17683633
imagine just laughing at a penguin. just smiling and laughing at its mere presence.

>> No.17685179

>>17678608
i saw a thread about it somewhere else recently and I imagine a lot of other anons did too

>> No.17685196

>>17685096
Presumably blunt trauma to the brain would be easier than wrestling a seal and cutting the jugular which would be buried fairly deep in all its fat.

>> No.17685240

>>17679405
>In 2014, a scientist from Queen's University in Belfast argued that lobsters and other crustaceans probably do feel pain, on the grounds that crabs in a study learned to avoid a hideaway where they were repeatedly given an electric shock.

Yes they do!

>> No.17686007

>>17685240
>autists need to conduct scientific experiments to learn that torturing animals is probably maybe kinda distressing to the animal
i hate anglos

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17686034

>>17678325
>>17678489
This is actually fucking awesome.

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17686084

You guys ever think that maybe the devil was actually the one who created humans whereas god created all the other animals and that's why humans are so different from other animals and so good at killing them all and this is also why god is so cruel to humans because he's just trying to eradicate the devil's minions

>> No.17686137

>>17686084
animals are extremely cruel themselves, maybe they don't realize they are but they are constantly eating each other alive and whatnot. Idk why God would think that a better situation

>> No.17686145

>>17686084
nature is red in tooth and claw

>> No.17686213

>>17686137

If animals seem cruel it can only ever be from a human perspective and yet humans are far crueler in reality
What a human sees as cruel in anything but themselves is always a classic case of projection because they are the ones burdened by nature with the knowledge of morality and thus the possibility for cruelty
For all intents and purposes animals are true innocents because they do not have even the possibility for a moral code cruelty cannot even exist for them only their base nature and their instincts

>> No.17687172

>>17678489
just wait until they calibrate this thing for humans

>> No.17687194

>>17686213
I don't think that is really a comfort to the impala being slowly eaten alive by a hyena

>> No.17687285

>>17687194

but a human calling the hyena cruel is?
This is the whole point your human judgements have no bearing on their world in the first place

>> No.17687288

>>17686084
I think, with all due respect, that you are idealizing animals to an absurd extent.

>> No.17687299

>>17687288
good, we need to romanticize the world again, fuck bug people

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17687300

>>17678556
>>17678568
>>17678602
fucking kek lmao

>> No.17687326

Ill risk some crabs to not die from something preventable. Sorry veggie bros

>> No.17687359

>>17687285
My point is that if God created the animals then he created a situation of beings constantly inflicting each other with agony. memeing about the word 'cruel' is besides the point

>> No.17687508

>>17687359

again this is just your human perspective on a world separate from you
It's easy to say that if god created the creatures on earth and created suffering and death then he must have created those creatures to suffer and die but it's just as easy to say he also gave those creatures an indomitable will to survive and so he must have created those creatures to survive in the face of suffering and death
If you only see the suffering and death you miss what is actually occurring on earth and that is the persistence of life

>> No.17687576

>>17678325
It looks like they are lined up drinking Powerade through a straw

>> No.17687666

>>17678489
Just remember they're literally sea bugs lol.

>> No.17687899

>>17678489
stroggification

>> No.17688102

>>17679425
>>17679452
>this is your brain on atheism

>> No.17688157

>>17685196
>>17685096
the idea of sailors landing a boat, getting their knives out and sizing up individual seals to duel them one after another haha
it's like some absurd variant of a middle-ages naval invasion

>> No.17688184

>>17681147
Are you into femdom, my friend?

>> No.17688967

>>17681147
what the fuck did you really enlighten yourself from looking at how corona started ?

>> No.17689014

>>17678325
CRAB JUICE
CRAB JUICE
CRAB JUICE
AGAIN

>> No.17689023

>>17678325
I wonder what it taste like

>> No.17689034

>>17688184
...yes

>> No.17689035

>>17680269
Power is more than 'being worth'. Bezos is very rich, but he has less connections to physical Power - military, politics...
Bezos and his Ilk are very new money and will become more powerful given time, they are rich enough to declare a corporate state somewhere and rule (won't be the first time a company colony was almost a state in itself)

>> No.17689044

>>17680360
Do you think there's some magic corruption barrier that stops influence running back lol.

>> No.17689048

>>17689035
What do you think Boeing's CEO has power over? Do you think he is telling the US what countries to bomb with the tech Boeing helps develop

>> No.17689058

>>17680403
>The government
Who is the government?
It's not one entity, it's a collection of people holding titles. How did they get there? What are their affiliations? Who helped them on the way? What deals and corners did they cut?
... And when public service ends, who's gonna give them a nice check in the form of a 'consultant' position?

>> No.17689082

>>17689048
No, but he definitely influences those decisions... When biden sits down and decides whether to cut funding for military, the fact all those military companies have bazzilions of lobbiests definitely influences the decision, if not directly.

>> No.17689091

>>17689034
Imagine serving the girl her live squids and hearing her complaining how awful the service is while knowing you're hearing...

>> No.17689112

>>17689082
That's just pork basically, how is that real power? The only power there is to keep getting contracts, and the government can ultimately choose to give those contracts to someone else if they want.

>> No.17689115

>>17689091
Ngl, despite my feelings regarding this whole thing and my earlier posts I'd probably refuse to give her live animals. Kill them quickly first.

>> No.17689124

>>17686084
I don't normally say this, but kill yourself, holy shit

>> No.17689155

>>17689112
>How is that real power
Influencing the budget of USA is not power?
You seem to think power is binary. Either you are 'the government', and control everything, or you are nothing. 'the government' is a collection of institutions each composed of a bunch of humans, each with their own list of personal affiliations. Technically, the president can order someone killed (I think, maybe it was phased out), quite literally the ultimate power. In reality, there's a system of checks and balances, not all of them systematical, that makes that not exactly his right. He can't go on the street and order a random mr smith to the chair, can he?

>> No.17689165

>>17689115
Ohhhh, the squelch of the squid as she bites down....

>> No.17689190

>>17689155
>You seem to think power is binary. Either you are 'the government', and control everything, or you are nothing.
No I don't think that, I just think that in the relationship between Boeing and the government, the latter holds all the power. Boeing is a sort of client of the state, they get a nice deal, they enrich themselves a bit, and they do what the government wants them to, which is in any case just developing tech.

>> No.17689231

>>17685096
so you don't damage their pelts

>> No.17689236

>>17689190
You've never been in the military or a military adjacent job then. Very corrupted. Revolving door of high profile peeps turning into 'consultants'. Contracts based on connections, not merit, especially with those over the top spending no one needs.
I don't know how far it goes, but it definitely places boeing above amazon. Not for long - amazon must be hard at work gaining those footholds as well.

>> No.17689265

>>17679496
there's two, one makes video games, one anime

both make high quality internationally acclaimed content