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Why do scientists despite philosophers?

Why do philosophers despise scientists?

>> No.17685570

Retard question just post more whores.

>> No.17685573

>>17685568
Because only scientists should be allowed to do philosophy now, but they have no time for that shit, so you get pseuds disregarding science doing philosophy instead

>> No.17685574

>>17685570
Quality reply

>> No.17685581

>>17685568
>despite
Try again

>> No.17685589

>>17685568
Nice tits, post more

>> No.17685599

god I want to have her feet in my mouth I wanna fuckin deepthroat her toes bros. I want to eat feet FFS

>> No.17685606

>>17685568
sauce?

>> No.17685610

>>17685568
Because thinking is hard and most academics, be it science or arts, are grifter hacks not worth listening to

>> No.17685612

>>17685570
>>17685574
FPBP

>> No.17685620

>>17685568
Post her OnlyFans shit

>> No.17685653

>>17685568
not even a footfag, but ... damn

>> No.17685656

>>17685568
FOOTA

>> No.17685672
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17685672

hehehehe

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>>17685568
why are atheists sluts and cumbrains?

>> No.17685685

>>17685682
nice self portrait brah

>> No.17685691

I despise modern philosophy because it's useless. Most "thinkers" nowadays just verbatim quote what more intelligent people said centuries ago.
Like people doing analysis of Deleuze's analysis of Foucault's analysis of Nietzsche's books. There haven't been an original philosopher since at least the XIX century

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>>17685610
>Philosophers
>Thinking

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>>17685682
There's not much else to life, and if you can't grasp that you need to get off that Copium

>> No.17685767

>>17685568
What makes a woman post pics like this? How was the person in OP's pic raised?

>> No.17685785

>>17685767
>What makes a woman post pics like this?
because they look fucking great

>> No.17685797

>>17685785
I agree. But a lot of beautiful women don't post imagery like that, so where does the difference lie?

>> No.17685872

>>17685568
>Why do scientists despite philosophers?
Because they speak like they have authority over shit they don't understand, or understan superficially. They might, for example, grasp a little of quantum physics, but don't know the details; the maths and the models that come with it, thus making stupid conclusions. It doesn't help that most people in the humanities are sophists who train their formative years to convince others of their own juvenile worldview, foolishly believing that in that way they might some day extend their will over every man on earth.
>Why do philosophers despise scientists?
A lot of scientists haven't been exposed to philosophy. Whether it be because of over specialization or just desinterests, the result is the same: they fall prey to common sense. They use reasoning in order to "solve" moral, philosophical and social dilema, and this solutions seem sound at first. Little do they know that the history of human thinking is long and for instance this kind of ideas they propose have shown themselves to open a new can of worms if brought to their logical conclusion. It doesn't help that a lot of them are autists who are only interested in competing and show no regard to preserve or appreciate the beautiful things in life.

I'd say it's because both underestimate how difficult the other's subject is. It's pure intellectual hubris and Dunning Kruger by both philosophers and scientists.

>> No.17686366

>>17685573
Based

>> No.17686392

>>17685691
>There haven't been an original philosopher since at least the XIX century
Gustavo Bueno

>> No.17686396

>>17685568
>Why do scientists despite philosophers?
they don't
lab monkeys and undergrads might, but all of my profs were well-read in the history of philosophy
anglo though
might be different elsewhere

>> No.17686400

Jezebelposters deserve the guillotine

>> No.17686410

That's a man.....

>> No.17686418

>>17685568
Because we live in an Americanized world, when it was more European there wasn't such a strict divide

>> No.17686484

>>17686410
no

>> No.17686493

>>17685797
They're rich or successful enough to not need to

>> No.17686511

>>17685568
Because they both deal with the same subject (truth) but from very different angles.

>> No.17686529

>>17685568
BOOBAS

>> No.17686541

>>17685872

I think part of the problem is increased specialization. People spend years researching a specific part of a specific sub-field but retain an intellectual curiousity about other things that they don't have the time to study in detail. Either they cope by pretending that their field is the only thing that matters or they make honest but amateurish attempts to connect everything together.

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>>17685568
Start with the Greeks

>> No.17686557

>>17685738
>clicks "I Understand"

>> No.17686564

>>17686549
this reminds me of a big tittied girl that was posted all the time all over the internet back in early 2010

>> No.17686575

>>17685573
It's unironically the other way around. These days scientists can only repeat dogma with no understanding or ability to progress.

>> No.17686589

>>17685568
The decent ones engage with philosophy to better their disciplines. The rest are confused dogmatists and questioning what is said at face value with no understanding threatens their status and certain industries.

>> No.17686597

>>17685872
good post

>> No.17686785

wonderful milkers

>> No.17686837

>>17686557
based

>> No.17687705
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Because philosophers don't understand/are scared of making measurements that debunk their entire sophistry.
I'm serious. A single well done measurement can end millennia of mental masturbation. Most people still can't cope with this fact nowadays, but I'm quite sure mankind will outpace this nonsense in due time.
For the most part one of the copes I see is the "s-science only exists because of philosophy", when mankind has been doing things we can call science way before any formal philosophy ever existed, so it's just a dumb semantics game. We always rely on measurements to understand reality, there is absolutely no exception to this, and any barrage of insults I receive in response to this post doesn't change this fact.
Even if you were absolutely hellbent on proving your conception of philosophy was fundamental for the birth of science, it still fundamentally got outpaced by our current scientific understanding of natural phenomena. Most philosophers just haven't studied modern science. Most philosophers haven't stepped inside a modern laboratory. Most philosophers don't understand that what seems to them like hand-wavy scientific mumbo-jumbo is based on the literal most precise measurements ever performed by this species.
The moment you chose anything besides science to guide your understanding of what surrounds you, you have to realize you left any possibility of reproducibility. Here in this board we have people arguing their understanding of works written 100, 500 or sometimes 2000 years ago in languages they don't speak, and claiming that they share common views and understandings with those that wrote them. This kind of nonsense is why science was born. Equating science to some bazzinga reddit fedora posting is a sad coping attempt for people that got filtered on pre-calculus.
Don't bother posting that picture of the physicists with a false quotation of Heisenberg and shit because that's not an argument and even if it was one could just look for other Nobel prize winners like Feynman to shit on philosophy. It's also telling that for all the appreciation scientists might have for the arts and for philosophy and literature they still keep going back to science when they make their most categorical affirmations.
Few people in this website are scientists. Most people on /sci/ have never even attempted to write a paper in their lives or stepped in a lab or ran an experiment. You think most people don't grasp what philosophy is really about? They can't even fathom the current state of the art of most areas of science or what those are talking about either.
Never forget that the philosophers of Galileo's time refused to look through his telescope when he offered the opportunity.

>> No.17687754

>>17687705
>philosophy was fundamental for the birth of science, it still fundamentally got outpaced by our current scientific understanding of natural phenomena
well, that's what happened. at least in the west. the first scientists were also philosophers - newton called what he did "philosophy of nature". it's just that, ultimately, natural science took what it found useful from empirist & rationalist philosophy and discarded the rest, including all metaphysics and the question what can be known in the first place.

>> No.17687816

>>17686493
>need

Lmao, most instagram whores don't make money. They just do it for validation. Only the cream of the crop can get their breasts shat on by an arab sheikh's 15 year old son.

>> No.17687821

>>17685568
jezebel post; didn't read please kill yourself my man

>> No.17688024

>>17685568
Scientists don't care about philosophers as very little they say is practically useful to science (not to say that it shouldn't be useful, but as it stands now philosophers of science are about as useful to scientists as ornithologists are to birds).

Philosophers despise scientists for the same reason you'd be mad if you were 100% certain you were right about something and yelling about it at someone who clearly didn't give a shit about what you thought, and they still managed to be pretty successful anyway

t. did a BA in philosophy and PhD in neuroscience before fucking off from academia to get a JD and do patent law

>> No.17688032

>>17688024
>t. did a BA in philosophy and PhD in neuroscience before fucking off from academia to get a JD and do patent law

I didn't know contrapoints browsed lit. Is the thing about penis mouthfeel you said real or were you just trolling?

>> No.17688073

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>> No.17688083

However, Barbara Powers, the wife of Francis Powers, was often drinking and allegedly having affairs. On June 22, 1961 she was pulled over by the police after driving erratically and was caught driving under the influence.[16]:251 To avoid bad publicity for the wife of the well-known CIA operative, doctors tasked by the CIA to keep Barbara out of the limelight arranged to have her committed to a psychiatric ward in Augusta, Georgia under strict supervision.[16]:251–51 She was eventually released to the care of her mother. But the CIA feared that Francis Powers languishing in Soviet prison might learn of Barbara's plight and as a result reach a state of desperation causing him to reveal to the Soviets whatever secrets he had not already revealed. Thus, Barbara unwittingly may have aided the cause of the approval of the prisoner exchange involving her husband and William Fisher.[16]:253 Angleton and others at the CIA still opposed the exchange but President John F. Kennedy approved it.[16]:257

>> No.17688089

>>17685570
/thread

>> No.17688092

>>17688083
Powers and his wife Barbara separated in 1962 and divorced in January 1963. Powers stated that the reasons for the divorce included her infidelity and alcoholism, adding that she constantly threw tantrums and overdosed on pills shortly after his return.[24] He started a relationship with Claudia Edwards "Sue" Downey, whom he had met while working briefly at CIA Headquarters. Downey had a child, Dee, from her previous marriage. They were married on October 26, 1963.[25] Their son Francis Gary Powers Jr. was born on June 5, 1965.[2]:287, 292–93, 323 The marriage proved to be a very happy one, and Sue worked hard to preserve her husband's legacy after his death.[26]

>> No.17688125

>>17685568
Scientists hate philosophers because they see it as a waste of time

Philosophers hate scientists because they don't know all shit about philosophy and pretend that science can answer philosophical questions on its own.

>> No.17688134

>>17688073
Based totalitarian prude

>> No.17688152

>>17687816
Validation is a female need

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Because (((science))) is fucking DEEEEEAAAD

>> No.17688357

>>17688260
I waited for this image

>> No.17688485
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>>17685568

Scientists despite philosophers because they know know they are smarter than them.

Philosophers despise scientists because everyone else thinks they are smarter than them.

>> No.17688494

>>17688485
You know what. This is the one.

This is the true post.

>> No.17688513

>>17688485
This is extremely ambiguous, what do the pronouns refer back to? It can literally be read in two completely opposite ways.

>> No.17688519

>>17688513

Sorry. I knew my post might have been problematic.

Scientists know philosophers are smarter than them, and philosophers know that too, but philosophers know that everyone else in the world thinks scientists are smarter than them.

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>>17688513
It's hard out here for a product of inbreeding

>> No.17688537

>ugly feet
ruined

>> No.17688562

>>17685599
Came here to post this. I want to live with cute feet permanently in my mouth

>> No.17688570

Scientists deal with the nature of things while philosophers deal with the nature of things and many people conflate these two concepts falsely pitting scientists and philosophers against each other

>> No.17688839

>>17685568
>Why do philosophers despise scientists?
They don't
>Why do scientists despise philosophers?
Glow nigger psyop to defund the humanities and give more money to research that yields practical results, at the expense of culture. Funding marxoid rhetoric and replacing the classics with queer theory is also a psyop to further devalue the humanities.

>> No.17688851

>>17685568
Dirac BTFO'd philosophers. They had a good run, but it's time they stepped down.

>> No.17689990

>>17685568
>>17686549

>> No.17690011

>>17685568
BOOBA

FOOTA

>> No.17690022

>>17688839
retarded take.

>> No.17690032

>>17690022
t. glowie

>> No.17690198

>>17688260
This would be a good image if it wasn't for the Bill Nye quote. It doesn't fit at all. You can be a scientist with a philosophical bent without denying reality. This makes me think that the image was made by some high schooler who doesn't know what he's talking about.

>> No.17690224

>please tell me how an rmbk reactor explodes
>please tell me how something that isn't physical exists
Fuck science lol
Dyatlov niggers

>> No.17690228

>Not being a STEMtard who also loves philosophy
Not going to make it brahs

>> No.17690233

>>17687705
What measurements bro?
Have scientists been able to measure conciousness yet? Or we still waiting on that "one single well done measurement"?

>> No.17690266

>>17685872
Read this and you can close the thread

Answered

>> No.17690277

>>17685568
A hubristic belief in the omniscience and infallibility of the scientific process. Scientists often pride themselves in their belief that the truth is simple, that you just have to establish this eternal method and all of nature's mysteries will fall to your feet broken and in submission.

They are partly right. Science can accomplish things that philosophy, or no other discipline for that matter, can. What they fail to recognize is that science cannot engage in introspection on its own process or findings without disengaging in scientific conduct. It cannot step outside its assumptions to fully interpret its theories without doing something other than science. And it cannot actually apply the method to the method (the old verification problem).

Scientists typical embrace of this self-satisfied anti-intellectualism stems, like most prejudices, from the ignorance of what it scorns and rejects.

>> No.17690281

>>17690277
Oh and this is usually a one way thing. Any philosopher worth their salt draws from the sciences rather than scorns them unless they are one of those social constructionist post modernists who aren't real philosophers.

>> No.17690491

>>17685568
I would like to eat this sow's smelly cunt

>> No.17690529

>>17686564
angie varona?

>> No.17691419

>>17685570
FPBP


read this and will click off thread immediately

>> No.17691459

>>17685570
based m, just needs so good dubs

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