/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17698104]

I'm not really enjoying my English degree

[Anonymous No.17698109]

No one enjoys their degree besides jagoffs. You’re doing fine

[Anonymous No.17698113]

>>17698104
im shocked

[Anonymous No.17698125]

>>17698109
I'm enjoying mine except for one class which makes me want to blow my brains out, but other than that I'm having a pretty good time.

[Anonymous No.17698134]

>>17698104
honestly you should switch. I'm not a conservative, but it's pretty damn true that most english departments are full of ideologues and philosophical idiots. Most of them couldn't really tell a good book from a beer bottle .
(but a lot of stem/b/ros are like that too, just with numbers, so idk maybe i just hate academics)

source: i spent too much time with literary types

[Anonymous No.17698155]

>>17698104
>>17698125
how do you tolerate the wokeness?

[Anonymous No.17698186]

>>17698104
Why are you even an English major?

I'm not suggesting you're supposed to enjoy it, but in the 2020s, it should be abundantly clear that you no longer have the luxury to go to college and pursue a certain degree just for the sheer enjoyment of it---it must have some use, some expedience. If it has nothing to do with your plans, and if you are not currently working toward at least hypothetically putting the learning and degree to use, then you are caught up in a worthless degree, wasting your time.

Having an English degree doesn't automatically grant you a literary career. Not in the least. You make it happen yourself.

[Anonymous No.17698190]

>>17698155
I just roll my eyes and get over it. It's pretty cringe and i'd rather not read so many books by women but whatever. I think I have too many other issues with doing a low tier degree and a shitty uni to be bothered by the wokeness

[Anonymous No.17698296]

the frog is beautiful until you slice open his belly

[Anonymous No.17698306]

>>17698186
I was originally going to do Law at a good Uni but I narrowly missed my grades so I decided to retake instead of going somewhere shit. But then covid happened and retake students didn't get grades so I had wasted a year for nothing. My parents didn't want me to retake AGAIN and told me just to suck it up but by that time all the courses were closed except an English Lit course at a shit uni. I had a law job and training contract lined up and my grandmother wanted me to become a judge; I feel like I've already flushed my life down the toilet and I can't stop to correct myself. I had planned on being a lawyer for years and made many steps in that direction and now I literally have no idea what to do with my life
>Having an English degree doesn't automatically grant you a literary career
I know that full well, I also know English degrees aren't that employable. I also hate this university and I haven't spoken to single person here. But whatever, I was the one who fucked up so this is my punishment. It's so fucking humiliating when my family asks me why I'm not doing law and my family's contacts hear I'm going to some literal who school. If no pathways open up I'm going to light myself on fire

[Anonymous No.17698338]

Let me save you all the trouble because I know where this thread is going.

There is no good degree.

[Anonymous No.17698344]

>>17698155
By not taking American-centric courses like a retard.

[Anonymous No.17698617]

>>17698104
try classics

[Anonymous No.17698899]

Liberal Arts degrees are fucking stupid.
Do STEM, read the Harvard Classics, test yourself on both.
That is the optimal college education.

[Anonymous No.17698910]

>>17698104
Great. Just switched from Electrical Engineering to English. Did I fuck up?

[Anonymous No.17698937]

>>17698899
Idk man, there don't seem to be too many STEM guys who have interesting things to say about life. It appears to be a highway to conformity.

[Anonymous No.17698967]

Nearly all of humanities knowledge is available for free on the internet. You don't need college to learn

[Anonymous No.17698969]

>>17698937
I did Information Systems and got a job in the consulting field so I'm with the ones with personality.
I suppose if you got caught up in the Comp Sci program in the basement of the engineering building, then went on to get a lonely software development job, your life would become nothing but 1's and 0's. Poor bastards. I'll pray for them.

[Anonymous No.17698972]

>>17698967
its for the piece of paper, brainlet

[Anonymous No.17698985]

>>17698155
Are there any non-woke English graduate programs left? Or do you pretty much have to learn Latin and study at an actual monastery or something?

[Anonymous No.17699043]

im not enjoying my chem degree. it seems to me that everyone is just pretending to enjoy what they do, and in reality are driven by the thought of knowing more than everyone else about their very niche subject. all is vanity...

[Anonymous No.17699078]

>read book
>enjoy book
>am happy
>thank you book

Today was a good day

[Anonymous No.17699080]

>>17698104
Major in Philosophy and minor in Classics

[Anonymous No.17699097]

>>17698306
Burger here. I have no idea how university works in your country but I will advise you to try your best to switch into Law if that is at all possible. Even if it were to cost you an extra year or two now, you'll be much less miserable now and in the future.

[Anonymous No.17699108]

>>17698306
the good news is you avoided becoming a lawyer.

[Anonymous No.17699128]

>>17698186
>you no longer have the luxury
what makes you say that? you know the guy personally?

[Anonymous No.17699136]

>>17698985
Far from every professor is full-blown “woke”. There’s a decent amount of intelligent, good hearted ones who don’t fully buy into the crudest excesses of “woke” culture and the PC mentality, but, overall, wokeness dominates. It’s seen, consciously or not, as the intrinsically correct worldview everyone should have. “Wokeness” always lurks in the corner somewhere. Even jokes about or jabs at wokeness reinforce the paradigm of wokeness. Intersectionality, diversity, equity, inclusion and social justice are the new sacred cows. If you find this overall atmosphere of wokeness somewhat stifling, artificial, and soulless, the problem is in YOU for being the bigot. The entire Eurocentric cisheteropatriarchal enterprise of the Western canon will be dismantled piece by piece. WOKENESS will only increase. Those who call this out or complain about it will be gaslit, told, “It’s annoying but not THAT bad” as the pot boils more and more.

[Anonymous No.17699148]

>>17698937
yeah because all the literary neets here are so charismatic

[Anonymous No.17699158]

>>17698985
Far from every professor is full-blown “woke”. There’s a decent amount of intelligent, good hearted ones who don’t fully buy into the crudest excesses of “woke” culture and the PC mentality, but, overall, wokeness dominates. It’s seen, consciously or not, as the intrinsically correct worldview everyone should have. “Wokeness” always lurks in the corner somewhere. Even jokes about or jabs at wokeness reinforce the paradigm of wokeness. After all, these jokes are jokes exactly because they’re taboo, because they’re going against the prevailing order of things.

Intersectionality, diversity, equity, inclusion and social justice are the new sacred cows. If you find this overall atmosphere of wokeness somewhat stifling, artificial, and soulless, the problem is in YOU for being the bigot. The entire Eurocentric cisheteropatriarchal enterprise of the Western canon will be dismantled piece by piece. WOKENESS will only increase. Those who call this out or complain about it will be gaslit, told, “It’s annoying but not THAT bad” as the pot slowly boils.

[Anonymous No.17699750]

>>17699108
But I wanted to be a lawyer and I worked summer job at a law firm and secured a training contract. What do you mean

[Anonymous No.17699765]

>>17699148
>t. guy who makes 75% of the "incel" "have sex" "damn bro sounds like you need a girlfriend" etc posts

[Anonymous No.17699990]

>>17698306
ay bruh do u actually need a law degree to be a lawyer? If you've got family connections and study law on your own you can get by as an autodidact with a bit of nepotism. IDK how it works though.

[Anonymous No.17700172]

>>17698985
There are definitely professors at almost any college that despise woke shit, at the one I used to go to one got put on leave because he tweeted a bunch about how women shouldn’t be allowed in academia and stuff like that. If you are of similar opinion of the sort, if you find such a professor, they will be a god send to you as long as you are not some cringey pol sperg

[Anonymous No.17700186]

>>17698937
major in forestry anon

[Anonymous No.17700204]

>>17699158
It’s literally not that big of a deal. Just keep your head down and live truthfully to your own morals.

[Anonymous No.17700213]

>>17698306
Stop now or jump tracks on majors. This will make you psychosomatically ill

[Anonymous No.17700242]

>>17698109
Lmao

[Anonymous No.17700255]

i'm so fucking glad i'm not american. you all sound like faggots. imagine having to think about shit like this
>>17700172

[Anonymous No.17700389]

>>17698104
>>17698306
>>17698899

You'd be surprised the doors that open up just from having a BA in anything. I felt like my degree maybe wasn't worth the money, but my friends who didn't go to college have a harder time getting hired. A degree at the very least says that you can put your nose to the grindstone.

[Anonymous No.17700518]

>>17700204
I understand it’s not the biggest deal currently in terms of how it directly impacts your day to day life, but I can’t help but have visions of frogs being slowly boiled in a pot of water, and wokeness as a Trojan horse for a totalitarian Orwellian government. Congress is already working with social media corporations and news outlets to “censor dangerous misinformation about election theft and the safety of COVID vaccines.” This is an unprecedented attack on the 1st Amendment. We all can see the obvious conflation of “conspiracy theorists” with “whites supremacist alt-right domestic terrorists.” It’s a huge psy-op in my humble opinion.

[Anonymous No.17700833]

>>17698155
English major here. What exactly do you mean by "wokeness" in this context? I have never noticed anything weird in my classes.

[Anonymous No.17700848]

>>17700833
you're a fag and your shit's all retarded

[Anonymous No.17700859]

>>17699990
In America, in every state but I think California you need to have a law degree to become a lawyer. And even in California, my guess is that if you don't have a law degree you won't get far.

[Anonymous No.17700920]

>>17700848

[Anonymous No.17701923]

>>17698338
the best degree is for something you're interested in

[Anonymous No.17701979]

>>17699078
>read audiobook
>realize that's not reading by definition
>am sad
>fuck you /lit/

[Anonymous No.17702001]

>>17701923
No. It’s not. Whatever you’re interested in will ultimately be rendered less interesting by being forced to “study” it in the joke of an environment that is contemporary education. Chances are you won’t even get to study what interests you anyway.

[Anonymous No.17702031]

>>17702001
Find a job you love and you never work a day in your life

[Anonymous No.17702155]

>>17698125
What class?

[Anonymous No.17702250]

>>17698306
You can switch to a law degree mid course or do a fast track afterwards surely if you’re grades are good enough

[Anonymous No.17702255]

>>17698104
paying money to read books in your native language

[Anonymous No.17702279]

>>17698972
and your lofty plans for that piece of paper?

[Anonymous No.17702283]

Holy autism

[Anonymous No.17702313]

>>17698338
This
>>17701923
There is no good degree

[Anonymous No.17702328]

>>17698155
You have never been to a university

[Anonymous No.17702390]

>>17698937
>highway to conformity.

This

[Anonymous No.17702419]

>>17698937
>degrees built around challenging and expanding past hypothesis are a "highway to conformity"
based retard.

[Anonymous No.17702466]

>>17702328
Not him but my first (and last) semester of a humanities degree was full of feminist theory and my professor was an unashamed marxist (That didn’t stop him from authoring the units text book and selling a new revised edition for $80 every 6 months).

[Anonymous No.17702492]

>>17698306
>>I was originally going to do Law at a good Uni but I narrowly missed my grades so I decided to retake instead of going somewhere shit. But then covid happened and retake students didn't get grades so I had wasted a year for nothing. My parents didn't want me to retake AGAIN and told me just to suck it up but by that time all the courses were closed except an English Lit course at a shit uni. I had a law job and training contract lined up and my grandmother wanted me to become a judge;
sounds like your parents deify the atheist public servants. it is good their plan for you was not realized. They want you to be come a atheist bugman.

[Anonymous No.17702493]

>>17698967
this is the take of somebody who's never actually read an academic article

[Anonymous No.17702510]

why not anon? I'm loving mine. What year are you in, and what are you studying?

[Anonymous No.17702520]

>>17702031
There is no job you love. The idea of a vocation died many centuries ago and you will almost certainly at best tolerate all jobs you will have to work.

[Anonymous No.17702524]

>>17698899
wrong. do what you love and fuck anyone who shits on you for that. This goes both ways- arts nerds and stem nerds need to stop one upping eachother lmao

[Anonymous No.17702533]

>>17702493
This is the take of a future McDonald’s employee trying to justify wasting $50k because their uni login gives them access to peer reviewed pdfs written by oversocialised midwits

[Anonymous No.17702540]

>>17698967
>implying STEM knowledge is not available free on the internet

[Anonymous No.17702560]

Anyone studying in the London triangle ?

[Anonymous No.17702643]

>>17702328
>>17698985
>>17698344

I'm studying Pharmaceutical Chemistry, and in january we were subjected to a mandatory (graded accompanying exercise) talk called "Moving the Needle on Race equality", given by an otherwise respected pharmacologist.

Luckily the workshops, such as
>"Classroom Practices for Retention of Underrepresented Students"
>"The Souls of Black Folk: Notes from the Diary of a Black Mathematician"
>"The anatomy of prejudice: Brown Eyes Blue Eyes"
>"Equality and Diversity in UK Academia"

were optional. Amusingly, my university is not situated in the UK, so the inclusion of the last workshop was somewhat odd.

If a STEM faculty in a non-anglo country subjects their students to this, I can't but wonder what it's like at a humanities faculty in America.

[Anonymous No.17702696]

>>17698306
lol chill my dude

[Anonymous No.17702716]

>>17702533
This. University libraries are just places where the remnant farts of academic favouritism, elitism and incompetence go to die. Everything of substance produced finds its way into the public domain. University is nothing more than a social pyramid scheme, trade your autonomy for social capital and maybe one day you too can have your name in a worthless academic journal.

[Anonymous No.17702752]

>>17698306
you can literally do an english degree and then a law degree, or even both at the same time

[Anonymous No.17702772]

>>17702752
Can I get into a far better University for law using my English degree?

[Anonymous No.17702788]

>>17698155
By studying a STEM subject

[Anonymous No.17702808]

>>17702772
I don't know. In my country the universities are public, so we do an exam to score our entry (we just have to do another exam to enter in another university, basically). I don't know if in your contry is like this. But like here, if you score better, you can enter in a better university.

[Anonymous No.17702988]

>>17702466
wow one whole semester

[Anonymous No.17703003]

>>17698104
>English degree
You really should have done a degree in something more marketable or useful and study literature in your spare time, now you'll be miserable at university and broke when you graduate

[Anonymous No.17703568]

>>17698104
Im in Maynooth University in Ireland
Today I received this in an email.
https://sway.office.com/r0vIXulo9CEIbhEo
>>17698155
My only method of cope is to laugh
>i used to think it's a tragedy but now i think it's a comedy

[Anonymous No.17703673]

>>17703568
I get those stupid emails too. About trans, blacks, and there's presidents of black student mental health or whatever. Utterly litters my inbox.

[Anonymous No.17703759]

>>17698104
My biggest regret in my life was my worthless English degree. I literally only picked English because I was planning on law school after but then I decided not to go to law school so I majored in English for nothing.
I hate myself for it but got accepted to a masters program for something completely unrelated so it will work out hopefully

[Anonymous No.17704128]

>>17702643
"Wokeness" is really just an attempt to apply the logic of scientific progress to culture and the arts, it shouldn't be a surprise that "STEM" departments (that acronym is another stupid attempt at progressivism, I refuse to take it seriously) are also full of this shit.

[Anonymous No.17704414]

>>17703568
Why are students willingly importing cheap "solutions" to uniquely American racial problems in fucking Ireland?

[Anonymous No.17704455]

>>17698104
>degree
Never had a chance

[Anonymous No.17704474]

>>17703568
anon you should submit a complaint that the whole team in newsletter attached is devoid of BIPOCs

[Anonymous No.17704750]

>>17702520
Speak for yourself; I love my job.

[Anonymous No.17704768]

>>17704414
I don't know man. The whole thing is so bizarre. It's no longer about real things but pure ideology so it doesn't matter if it's in America or Ireland. Like these are the people constantly going on about racism. And they had a seminar on what amounts to race science. Is it just a lack of self awareness? Has anyone ever talked to these people in person? I haven't.

[Anonymous No.17704811]

>>17699043
that's a big part of the pleasure of STEM. i think very few students actually enjoy it, and you can spot those from miles off. Tend to be a bit weird.
Im studying chemistry and honestly i couldn't give two shits what the subject is, as long as it's in natural sciences.. It's just a challenge and purpose.

[Anonymous No.17704993]

>>17704414
>>17704768
My issue is I wonder how much money they're pouring into such crap like holding race awareness seminars, mean while my fridge and sink are broken when I show up

[hungryman !!5BI0oSV9uvS No.17705057]

>>17704768
I have, if you call out activists/ woke-left people to their face without taking some braindead MAGA-chud right-wing stance, they usually shut down. They know how to deal with conservitards because they’ve mentally dehumanized them, but if you make a moderate case they usually clam up.

[Anonymous No.17705131]

>>17700518
Just delete social media, don't watch the news, stick to small talk, turn to enjoying nature more, as if you're living in a fairy tale and enjoy the ride and the little things instead of rushing to the end goal. That's how I fixed my stress and anxiety.
Still not taking the vaccine though.

[Anonymous No.17705250]

>>17705131
literally this, utterly based anon

[Anonymous No.17705278]

>>17698186
What hogwash and rot! This very attitude is why our universities are becoming glorified trade schools. A liberal education is the education appropriate for a free man. It *must* include more than the simply practical. It must *not* be simply vocational.

There is more to this world than productivity. Don't fall into this anon's trap.

[Anonymous No.17705296]

>>17704750
You sure about that?

[Anonymous No.17705326]

>>17698104
quit before it's too late
don't fall for sunk cost fallacy
study something useful, you can read books and discuss them in a Nepalese basket weaving forum without an English degree

[Anonymous No.17705329]

>>17705057
The main thing to remember when you get into a dispute with one of the hyper-woke is that you're not going to change that person's mind, but you might change the mind of the 10 other people who are witnessing your dispute or argument. Stay calm and reasonable, and even though you're unlikely to see any immediate response or support, ultimately you'll end up persuading those not committed to any one side that your opponents are out-of-touch with reality while you are calm and reasonable.

[Anonymous No.17705440]

>>17705250
Thanks fren. I'm 28 and been intensely looking at screens since I was 5 or 6, watching my uncle play on his Playstation and then turning into a geek myself. I guess it got tiring, especially because people care more about politics instead of making good and fun games nowadays (and DLCs just ruined everything) and my eyes would start burning and felt my creativity fade. So I turned to books and loving it.

[Anonymous No.17706305]

>>17704768
dude looks like George Floyd's cousin lmao

[Anonymous No.17706423]

>tfw 3rd semester of my eng studies degree
I really hope that I can get some job with that...

[Anonymous No.17706465]

>>17705278
>costs 250,000 in the US
>need to pay off loans unless your parents have a spare quarter million dollars around
>im an english major please hire me over the quant for this quant position
universities have become glorified trade schools because thats the only way to make money without being an entrepreneur or starting your own buisness or inheriting wealth

[Anonymous No.17706474]

>>17700833

[Anonymous No.17706519]

>>17698104
If you think it's bad now, just wait till you "graduate" from your fake degree.

[Anonymous No.17706543]

>>17705296
Not him, but you should genuinely kill yourself. Not everyone is a joyless bitter fuck like you, nigger.

[Anonymous No.17706567]

>>17704750
What job anon?

[Anonymous No.17706683]

>>17705329
Best advice in this thread. You don't argue to convince the other person, you do it to convince the onlookers that you're right.

[Anonymous No.17706826]

>>17698155
I abandoned mine because of it. Couldn’t handle participating in the charade. I now sell more books than most of my professors do.

[Anonymous No.17706865]

>>17706826
You work at Barnes and noble?

[Anonymous No.17706899]

>>17706865
Funny guy. I’m a writer.

[Anonymous No.17706945]

>>17706423
Look into marketing. I was doing content writing for some websites before I stopped to work in a bank

[Anonymous No.17706949]

I'm thinking of trying audiobooks on the way to work since I can't listen to Rush Limbaugh anymore. Is it really that different from just reading

[Anonymous No.17706957]

>>17706899
Not an author?

[Anonymous No.17707049]

>>17705440
> I guess it got tiring, especially because people care more about politics instead of making good and fun games nowadays (and DLCs just ruined everything) and my eyes would start burning and felt my creativity fade.
an adult male typed this.

[Anonymous No.17707061]

I hate academia and I hate working. I'm killing myself to avoid them.

[Anonymous No.17707064]

>>17705278
>A liberal education is the education appropriate for a free man.
a "free man" doesn't waste his time at bourgeois institutes like universities.

[Anonymous No.17707097]

>>17698104
Go get either your Library or Counseling MA's like all the rest of us

[Anonymous No.17707105]

>>17704768
The gall of these academic twits to whine about the social sciences slowly encroaching on getting defunded altogether.

[Anonymous No.17707364]

Your degree doesn't matter. Your experience during breaks and summer time does. I know dudes pulling $60-70k out the gate with English degrees and dudes working as baristas with STEM degrees. Its comical at this juncture to assume STEM guarantees a job when it only makes up like ~25% of the workforce. Remember boys, its a market.

[Anonymous No.17707482]

>>17706899
i bet your books are shit

[Anonymous No.17707492]

>>17700833
>wow guys i have no idea what you mean xD im so naive except im on 4chan but i dont know guys lol!

[Anonymous No.17707504]

>>17700255
what country are you from cool guy?

[Anonymous No.17707515]

>>17705278
>What hogwash and rot!
cringe. stop denying reality bro

[Anonymous No.17707523]

>>17698306
ah bloo bloo

[Anonymous No.17707809]

>>17700833
Unless you're studying at Hillsdale then you're just being a gay faggot
You know what he means you're playing the naive imbecile

[Anonymous No.17707882]

>>17699078
Based and lifepilled

[Anonymous No.17707950]

>>17698969
>Poor bastards. I'll pray for them.
Lonely basement software engineer, /r/ing you pass your prayers onto someone making less than 100-200k, they need it more than we do.

[Anonymous No.17707954]

>>17703568
>Maynooth fag
Come to Trinity, Ireland's most /lit/ university - Wilde, Swift, Beckett etc

[Anonymous No.17707965]

>>17704414
Because of power. Read yarvin.

[Anonymous No.17707972]

>>17704414
Because it’s not a uniquely American problem and never has been. That’s a fools assessment.

[Anonymous No.17708127]

I regret majoring in english and will go to my grave upset that I wasted my 20s on majoring in it

[Anonymous No.17708680]

>>17702788
That's no longer enough.

[Anonymous No.17709184]

>>17698104
Unless you already have a career lined up which requires it, then switch and just take a few classes on it here and there, in addition to studying on your own time.
Get a degree to get a job, use the whole rest of your life for passions

[Anonymous No.17709284]

>>17698306
Do a conversion or transfer - if you like English as a subject there are still places at universities like UCL,Edinburgh etc for 2021 entry (assuming you're british rn) - otherwise apply for politics or economics at those universities.

[Anonymous No.17709312]

>>17698967
>t. autodidact

[Anonymous No.17709396]

>>17698967
That's true of STEM knowledge as well. Basically all knowledge, actually. But you'd have to be 13 years old to still think that people go to college to learn. They go for the credentials.

[Anonymous No.17709403]

>>17699078
now this is based

[Anonymous No.17709408]

>>17705278
Don’t mean to be rude but are you mentally retarded or something

[Anonymous No.17709418]

>>17707492

People on 4chan are as cartoonish as the strawmen they create in the world.