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[Anonymous No.17717428]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Murray

>Henry Alexander Murray (May 13, 1893 – June 23, 1988) was an American psychologist at Harvard University

>From late 1959 to early 1962, Murray was responsible for unethical experiments in which he used twenty-two Harvard undergraduates as research subjects.[6] Among other goals, experiments sought to measure individuals' responses to extreme stress. The unwitting undergraduates were submitted to what Murray called "vehement, sweeping and personally abusive" attacks. Specifically-tailored assaults to their egos, cherished ideas and beliefs were used to cause high levels of stress and distress. The subjects then viewed recorded footage of their reactions to this verbal abuse repeatedly.

>Among them was 17-year-old Ted Kaczynski, a mathematician who went on to become the Unabomber, a domestic terrorist targeting academics and technologists for 18 years.[7] Alston Chase's book Harvard and the Unabomber: The Education of an American Terrorist connects Kaczynski's abusive experiences under Murray to his later criminal career.

Bros...

[Anonymous No.17717446]

The CIA always win in the end. This is a universal constant. Justice is nothing more than the standards the strong impose on the weak. Their world. Their rules

Ted will die in his cell. The technological system he railed against will take over the world in your lifetime. Native populations and animals will be exterminated and replaced with factories and mining operations. Possibly with slave labor. America will be the one to enact this system

[Anonymous No.17717472]

>>17717428
You just found out?
Just wait until you read Osama Bin Laden's wikipedia article...

[Anonymous No.17717521]

i cant take it anymore i cant take it i cant take it i cant

[Anonymous No.17717658]

>>17717428
Kaczynski himself said in his interviews that he wasn’t affected by the experiment and it wasn’t as bad as the media makes it out to be. There are recordings and it was just Murray being verbally hostile, not enough to cause permanent mental damage to an adult.

[Anonymous No.17717677]

>>17717658
pretty sure it's just a means to dismiss him as a crazed terrorist, or keep the historical narrative to something safe and docile.

[Anonymous No.17717714]

>>17717658
He was sixteen, and someone repeatedly attacking your core beliefs may not break you if you're gifted in some way like Ted, but rather harden you.

[Anonymous No.17717725]

>>17717677
Most likely
>Woah, you think the preservation of the human condition is worth dying for? That's crazy man
>Just chill at home and be an eternal slave laborer who gets scraps from above, while the planet dies
>There's no reason to get mad anyway, Greta Thunberg is going to make us reduce carbon emissions by 5%

[Anonymous No.17717782]

>>17717428
It’s possible the reason Ted killed people was because he was experimented on by some MK Ultra psychos. That doesn’t really matter though. At this point, you’re judging his writing and if what he says is sound then it’s sound. You don’t need to justify or discredit his killings to justify or discredit his writing.

[Anonymous No.17718225]

>>17717428
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Murray

>>Henry Alexander Murray (May 13, 1893 – June 23, 1988) was an American psychologist at Harvard University

>>From late 1959 to early 1962, Murray was responsible for unethical experiments in which he used twenty-two Harvard undergraduates as research subjects.[6] Among other goals, experiments sought to measure individuals' responses to extreme stress. The unwitting undergraduates were submitted to what Murray called "vehement, sweeping and personally abusive" attacks. Specifically-tailored assaults to their egos, cherished ideas and beliefs were used to cause high levels of stress and distress. The subjects then viewed recorded footage of their reactions to this verbal abuse repeatedly.

>>Among them was 17-year-old Ted Kaczynski, a mathematician who went on to become the Unabomber, a domestic terrorist targeting academics and technologists for 18 years.[7] Alston Chase's book Harvard and the Unabomber: The Education of an American Terrorist connects Kaczynski's abusive experiences under Murray to his later criminal career.

>Bros...
This dude is amazing, there is one book only in Spanish called la tejedora de sombras which is based on his relationship with Christiana Morgan, they were onto Jungian occultism and had ritualistic sex and many peculiar rites, if you can read Spanish read it, it will change how you see psychology for ever.

[sager No.17718326]

>>17717428
Bump, few people know this

[Anonymous No.17718384]

>>17717446
>America will succeed at something

[Anonymous No.17718417]

>>17717446
>Justice is nothing more than the standards the strong impose on the weak
Plato refuted this 2000 years ago, my nigger

[Anonymous No.17718428]

>>17718417
He did yes, but that doesn't change the fact that the strong impose their standards on the weak, it's just not called justice.

[Anonymous No.17718436]

>>17717725
This
One could reason that being subjected to such treatment at that age spurred his hatred of the system further along than his own contempt ever would have.

[Anonymous No.17718437]

>>17718417
No he didn't, Thrasymachus' BTFO Socrates in that dialogue

[Anonymous No.17718497]

>>17717677
>pretty sure it's just a means to dismiss him as a crazed terrorist
>killed 3
>injured 23
world changing man of action or bus crash?

[Anonymous No.17718503]

>>17718417
Plato strawmanned Thrasymachus

[Anonymous No.17718506]

>>17717428
>Alston Chase's book Harvard and the Unabomber: The Education of an American Terrorist connects Kaczynski's abusive experiences under Murray to his later criminal career.
Any mention of Ted asking about sex change surgery? Oh wait that's all a lie too, everything is a lie, you're all faggots.

[Anonymous No.17718606]

>>17718225
>This dude is amazing, there is one book only in Spanish called la tejedora de sombras which is based on his relationship with Christiana Morgan, they were onto Jungian occultism and had ritualistic sex and many peculiar rites, if you can read Spanish read it, it will change how you see psychology for ever.
I fucking love how these crazy people exist out there. It reminds me of John MacAfee and General Buttnaked.

[Anonymous No.17718740]

>>17718417
Absolutely based.

[Anonymous No.17720677]

>>17717428
>>>/x/ ?

[Anonymous No.17720820]

>>17717472
what

[Anonymous No.17720834]

>>17718428
yes

[Anonymous No.17720873]

>>17717658
I guess I’m confused on the scale of the experiment. Like if it’s just some dude calling you a fag over and over I don’t see why it would be psychologically scarring but the Wikipedia article makes it sound like it was Al Ghaibi

[Anonymous No.17721221]

>>17717428

[Anonymous No.17721231]

>ugh technology is so bad
>said his army of drones totally depending on it

[Anonymous No.17721260]

>>17721231
It's good to point out the hypocrisy but in this time its next to impossible to live in the first world without and a lot of people have never lived another way. As long as people see the issues and work to remove the dependence I'd say it would be a positive

[Anonymous No.17721307]

>>17721231
>>>17721231

[Anonymous No.17721322]

>>17720873
There isn't much that's been actually declassified about the experiments, but they're essentially just proto-interrogation techniques -- from what little has been released, which is just audio.

What has been released is just the interviewer constantly insulting the person being interviewed. Ted willingly participated in this multiple times, as did hundreds of other people. I don't know why people think there's more to it when 1. There is very little declassified information about it; 2. Ted said it didn't affect him; 3. Others haven't come forth to say it's affected them.

[Anonymous No.17721352]

>>17721307
>don't expect me to live the way I preach!