/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17720702]

Books about female supremacy?

[Anonymous No.17720712]

>>17720702
S.C.U.M.

[Anonymous No.17720733]

>>17720702
all feminist books, literally all of them

[Anonymous No.17720737]

>>17720702
Just watch anything made in Hollywood

[Anonymous No.17720745]

>>17720702
>None. The topos of the dominant female is merely a fantasy of the hyper-productive male imagination

[Anonymous No.17720911]

>>17720702
Just look at western feminazi society

[Anonymous No.17720948]

>>17720737
>>17720911
This, turn on the TV.

[Anonymous No.17720956]

>>17720745
Sorry Sir, it's against the law to be this based.

[Anonymous No.17720966]

>>17720948
Not before we fight the underrepresentation of females in street construction work, plumbing and sewage maintenance work.

[Anonymous No.17720967]

>>17720911
>western patiarchies
>female supremacist
Why are reactionaries so dumb

[Anonymous No.17720977]

>>17720967
Why the fuck are you even here. You’re not welcome.

[Anonymous No.17720989]

>>17720967
>western patiarchies
western söyboy trannyarchies

[Anonymous No.17721001]

>Why the fuck are you even here. You’re not welcome.

[Anonymous No.17721004]

>>17720967
I think people who take patriarchy as a serious concept when applied to the West extremely funny.

They're like people who would say the Soviet Union is a capitalist plot whilst living in it.

[Anonymous No.17721007]

>>17720967
The notion of patriarchy is amusing to me, it's basically the question of 'does the slavemaster allow the slave to have his own slaves'. These days I'm pretty sure the answer is no.

[Anonymous No.17721037]

>>17720967
In the loosest sense you can apply the ‘patriarchy’ label to a place like the US because men tend to be in leadership positions more often than women. This is superficial though. Societal norms, laws, cultural institutions are wildly skewed in favor of women and it’s not even funny. Any one who denies this is a retard

[Anonymous No.17721039]

The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar

[Anonymous No.17721047]

>>17720702
the only thing women are superior at is being vile soulless WHORES

[Anonymous No.17721060]

>>17721004
>I think people who take patriarchy as a serious concept when applied to the West extremely funny.
That's because you think a "Patriarchy" is a society whose written laws discriminate against women, while in reality it is a society where men hold most of the socioeconomic, political and institutional power.

[Anonymous No.17721079]

>>17721060
power is a bit hard to quantify

[Anonymous No.17721084]

>>17721037
>In the loosest sense you can apply the ‘patriarchy’ label to a place like the US because men tend to be in leadership positions more often than women. This is superficial though.
It's a male dominated society, there is nothing loose about the notion. That's what a patriarchy is.
>Societal norms, laws, cultural institutions are wildly skewed in favor of women and it’s not even funny.
lmao

[Anonymous No.17721086]

>>17721060
When does it stop being a patriarchy? Once women take over everything, or when they control 50% of society?

[Anonymous No.17721099]

>>17721079
Not in this context. Look at all the big institutions, the government, the media, the entertainment industry, the big corporations, the Academia, the tech giants etc.

[Anonymous No.17721107]

>>17721084
How are you measuring male vs female domination?

[Anonymous No.17721110]

>>17721060
No, I actually have read academic feminist, I know what they mean by it.

But if one's theoretical definitions of social phenomena only needed to be coherent to be true, then the commies who say the CCCP was a capitalist plot would be right, after all they didn't enact a stateless society, did they?

Men held most of what feminists like to only recognize as power throughout history because that's the only way they can have any. Women hold different forms because they get the curse and benefit of being inherently valuable.
But the point of the feminist lens isn't to get an accurate appraisal of social phenomena. But to justify a movement that wants women to acquire traditionally male forms of power.

Hence how it problematizes the entire history of sex relations as an oppression whilst conveniently forgetting the piles of corpses. Or even blaming those corpses on its own assumptions of patriarchy.

Patriarchy is axiomatic to feminism. It's not even wrong.

[Anonymous No.17721113]

>>17721099
Would you also say we live in a Jew-dominated society because of how many of those people are Jewish? I'd imagine you wouldn't because the average Jew doesn't gain anything from those people being Jewish. Same thing is true of men

[Anonymous No.17721121]

>>17721086
Both of these societies would be non-patriarchies

[Anonymous No.17721128]

>>17721107
The measure is institutional power. Politicians, CEOs, Academics, Media figures etc.

[Anonymous No.17721143]

>>17721128
How does a CEO of a company being male mean that a random male prole has more power than a random female prole?

[Anonymous No.17721150]

>>17721113
Jews are overepresented in positions of power but they don't dominate them, so no.

[Anonymous No.17721155]

>>17721128
>Politicians
Yeah I'm german and i'm fully fed up with female politicans thank you very much. Maybe you heard of Merkel or von der Leyen.

[Anonymous No.17721163]

>>17721143
It doesn't, how did you make that inference

[Anonymous No.17721167]

>>17721128
And how in the world would that translate into general male power? You have to use an individual statistic which has to be income but then you have to confront the reality that much of that income is spent on attracting and maintaining women.

[Anonymous No.17721170]

venus in furs

[Anonymous No.17721173]

>>17721155
Yet I bet you like Le Pen

[Anonymous No.17721177]

>>17721163
Well then how is it patriarchy? It's an oligarchy in which most of the oligarchs are male. Calling it patriarchy implies that the prole male has power over the prole female in some distributed pervasive power imbalance

[Anonymous No.17721186]

>>17721128
Russian Jews in the Soviet Union prior to Stalin’s purges and campaigns against ‘rootless cosmopolitanism’ disproportionally occupied the vast majority of powerful positions in the government, state institutions, etc.
Similarly, after the fall of the USSR, a clique of 7 bankers/oligarchs, who were all Jewish, held a vice grip on Russian society, completely controlled the economy, media, all other institutions.

So since by this token a majority of men being in power = patriarchy, what do you call it when the majority of powerful positions in a country are occupied by Jews? I’ll wait

[Anonymous No.17721191]

Ugh when the old boys clubs becomes the old girls club then surely everything will be good. Women are just nicer and more empathetic!

[Anonymous No.17721195]

>>17721128
But what if those males in power use that power to empower females in society, and males in society are second rate citizens? Because that's what's actually happening

[Anonymous No.17721203]

>>17721167
I don't know why you think a patriarchy means that every individual man has more power than every individual woman. It doesn't mean that.
Do you also think that a Queen having more power than a random peasant prevents a monarchy from being patriarchal?

[Anonymous No.17721210]

>>17721177
It doesn't imply that, you are using the word in an idiosyncratic sense.

[in every field No.17721212]

>>17721173
French here. I'm fed up with her alright. She's about the main reason the far right will never win an election.

[Anonymous No.17721222]

>>17721203
Reply to
>>17721186

[in every field No.17721223]

>>17721210
Ah, the old motte and bailey.

Feminist litterature acts as if the larger premise is true throughout, but when pressed they only defend the smaller position. Because the premise upon which the worldview is built is indefensible.

[Anonymous No.17721225]

>>17721186
You can call it however it you want, how is that an interesting question

[Anonymous No.17721229]

>>17721210
>>17721203
What is the point of the word then? It surely matters more whether eg. men can beat their wives, than whether you have a queen or king

[Anonymous No.17721232]

>>17721195
citation needed

[Anonymous No.17721249]

>>17721212
That's because you are dumb and Le Pen is smart. There is no other far right party in Europe that is doing as well as hers. If you want to see actual incompetence look at the Greek Golden Dawn party.

[Anonymous No.17721264]

>>17721223
Then point to the feminists who define a patriarchy as the society where each individual man has more power than each individual woman. There aren't any because it's a strawman

[Anonymous No.17721270]

>>17721173
> Le Pen
Yeah she's an outlier because of her daddy but female politicans are 85% socialist or even further to the left even those who deem themselves conservative.

[Anonymous No.17721271]

>>17721210
Explain your belief system then, back it up with evidence and explain why you think that way. Instead of poking tiny holes in the other persons argument through semantics. I swear you all debate the same way.

[in every field No.17721273]

>>17721264
The point of the fallacy is that they do not say it. But act as if it were true.

[Anonymous No.17721277]

>>17721229
The point of the word is to describe a male dominated society

[in every field No.17721279]

>>17721270
>says she's an outlier
>ironically she's a socialist
She moved the party very left, mostly in a strategic move but still.

Marion Maréchal is the real outlier here.

[Anonymous No.17721280]

>>17721264
Then explain how society is male dominated whilst the majority have males have no power. Why does a company CEO being male mean anything at all in fact?

[in every field No.17721282]

>>17721277
The point of the word is for bourgeois women to complain they aren't granted the same power as their male peers. Nothing more.

[Anonymous No.17721294]

>>17721271
Lmao, it's actually everyone else who is trying to poke holes in my position, I am on the defence here.

[Anonymous No.17721295]

>>17721203
I'm not talking about every individual man I'm talking about the average which would be the necessary metric if you would want to say something about general male/female power relations. Your criticism was my criticism.

[Anonymous No.17721297]

I think this is what you're looking for.

[Anonymous No.17721302]

>>17721294
Quote your position, backed up with evidence and explain your reasoning.

[Anonymous No.17721304]

>>17721273
Very convenient, that sakes your accusation unfalsifiable

[Anonymous No.17721308]

>>17721249
that's purely because the GD are actually serious and Le Pen is not. I'm not praising GD here either, only saying that they are actually far right

[Anonymous No.17721318]

>>17721280
There is nothing to explain, you are changing the definition of the word to mean something else and then complain that it doesn't fit the facts

[Anonymous No.17721323]

>>17721277
Then the notion of male privilege does not make sense. If the power imbalance is restricted only to those in actual positions of power then when a male and female prole are discussing something together the notion of male privilege can't apply.

[Anonymous No.17721326]

>>17720702
Blessed thread, femdom is the way

[Anonymous No.17721328]

>>17721223
Women are incapable of empathizing with or understanding the male perspective. They see men unilaterally as unthinking, emotionless golems who never have any problems ever in their entire lives and that we effortlessly handle any bad experiences thrown at us.
Absolutely 0 perspective. The entire feminist worldview and all the arguments they espouse are farcical. You can tell how weak the ground they stand on is because they have to retreat to the realm of the abstract in order to make arguments as to how women are “oppressed” (“rape culture”) or otherwise frame social phenomena like the “pay gap” in a disingenuous way that immediately falls apart under the slightest scrutiny. When you hit them with the hard facts, i.e. male homelessness rates, male suicide numbers, men disproportionately dying in the workplace, men being discriminated against in divorce courts, men given longer sentences than women for the same crimes *including when you account for crime record or lack thereof*, the widespread acceptance of circumcision in the US, the Duluth model, men being turned into child support slaves against their will, etc. they simply do not care, they are incapable of seeing any of these issues as worthy of their time. Instead their purely imaginary bullshit gets front and center attention and is amplified by the mainstream media, governments, academia, etc.

[in every field No.17721333]

>>17721304
I merely need to point out that feminists act as if it were true.
Which they do: they endlessly complain about personal social inequities.

Moreover, pretty much all of the other concepts built on top of patriarchy require the larger definition.
Privilege being the most obvious example.

[Anonymous No.17721345]

>>17720702
https://confidentman.net/masculinity/disastrous-duo-controlling-mother-passive-father

[Anonymous No.17721348]

>>17721225
>Of course a society where men hold the majority of leadership positions is a patriarchy, are you kidding me?
>well uhhhhh haha you see when Jews hold the majority of leadership positions in a country it’s a uhhhhh well it’s subjective haha just call it whatever you want
LMAO

[Anonymous No.17721354]

>>17721295
>if you would want to say something about general male/female power relations.
what if I want to talk about who holds most of the power in society instead

[Anonymous No.17721364]

>>17721318
Then explain the correct definition? Explain how a tiny percentage of men (and women) holding power makes a society male dominated.

[Anonymous No.17721367]

>>17721302
Position: Western countries are Patriarchies
Evidence: Most institutional and socioeconomic power is held by men

[Anonymous No.17721379]

>>17721367
In 1991 the USSR was completely dominated by 7 Jewish oligarchs, what do you call that?

[Anonymous No.17721389]

>>17721348

[Anonymous No.17721394]

>>17721060
Modern Women are living in Utopia

endless supply of money by various means (sugar daddies, onlyfans, pornsites, cosplay, etc...),
various sexual partners (local men, brown men who come from shithole countries, arabian kings, etc...)
laws cattered to them (they win money from divorce, can accuse rape freely without consequences, etc...)

living as a women is easy, no wonder most of the trannies are MtF

[Anonymous No.17721396]

>>17721323
The notion of male privilege is indeed suspect, and probably used in an inappropriately loose sense

[Anonymous No.17721397]

>>17721232
Fuck off, it's blatantly obvious. Don't be disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.17721404]

>>17721348
kek

[Anonymous No.17721416]

>>17721394
>living as a women is easy, no wonder most of the trannies are MtF
It's probably a messed up thing to say but I do think the elevation of the female gender is the primary reason for the rise in transpeople. You tell a bunch of kids that the future is female, some are going to want to be female. FtM people fell for the "men are more privileged" thing I guess.

[Anonymous No.17721423]

>>17721348
I didn't say it's subjective I said you can call it however you like.

[Anonymous No.17721438]

>>17721416
It would be surprising if that wasn't at least part of the effect. Transpeople are probably a physiological phenomenon on some level, but when you get 3000% growth, there has to be a social thing going on.

[Anonymous No.17721440]

>>17721364
>Explain how a tiny percentage of men (and women) holding power makes a society male dominated.
Because the positions of power are relatively few, so a tiny minority is all that is needed

[Anonymous No.17721443]

>>17721416
>>17721438

[Anonymous No.17721445]

>>17721423
Just letting you know, shit like this is why men don’t take women seriously

[Anonymous No.17721455]

>>17721379
A Jewish dominated society? Why are you keep asking me that dumb question, call it however you want

[Anonymous No.17721457]

>>17721440
So ZOG is real then?

[Anonymous No.17721458]

>>17721455
Hey cool it with the anti-semitism.

[Anonymous No.17721461]

>>17721416
I thought that might be a thing but among the young people there are just as many FtMs now, I think there might actually be more, so clearly there is more going on than that.

When some 50 year old male public figure decides to start wearing a dress though that's obviously a power play because his position on the Progressive stack skyrockets by doing that

[Anonymous No.17721463]

>>17721397
Asking for evidence for a claim is not disingenuous

[Anonymous No.17721467]

>>17721367
Most "power" is held by the rich with a large number being Jews. How does that fit into your worldview? How do you quantify power, simply as money or only using traditional male sources of power?

Last question, WHY do you think power ended up in mens hands?

[Anonymous No.17721468]

>>17721455
A Jew hating feminist, that’s a first

[Anonymous No.17721476]

>>17721445
You are an idiot who misread what I wrote. Then you got butthurt when I called you out on it.

[Anonymous No.17721477]

>>17721440
So Jews are vastly over represented, so hitler was right?

[Anonymous No.17721488]

Anyway, OP, if you want erotica check out "Venus in Furs". I liked it but the ending isn't a happy one, so keep that in mind.

(Yeah yeah sue me for recommending erotica, but this is a bait thread anyway)

[Anonymous No.17721493]

>>17721476
Okay woman. Imagine being a female, imagine getting sexually aroused by a man screaming at you and hitting you in the face. Meme gender!

[Anonymous No.17721496]

>>17721467
>Most "power" is held by the rich with a large number being Jews. How does that fit into your worldview?
I don't see the problem
>How do you quantify power, simply as money or only using traditional male sources of power?
And institutional power as well
>Last question, WHY do you think power ended up in mens hands?
g e n e t i c s

[Anonymous No.17721516]

>>17721354
This is a Jew thing, isn't it? Reality is the average person as a group holds power in society and is himself controlled by his appetites which manifest institutionally as corporations for example.

[Anonymous No.17721517]

>>17721463
It is disingenuous if it's something that doesn't need evidence because it's obvious and you refuse to engage further but hide behind your "source" shtick which will never be good enough

[Anonymous No.17721522]

>>17721455
Don't name the hand that feeds you

[Anonymous No.17721528]

>>17721367
What if that were a natural result of a meritocracy? You would also have to consider what men spend their capital on.

[Anonymous No.17721529]

>>17721493
LMAO

[Anonymous No.17721531]

Kek this communist raid was a failure and a half if I ever seen one. They truly are the scum of the earth.

[Anonymous No.17721557]

>>17721461
Imagine a female that switch to male. Being a scrawny 5'5 manlet is at the opposite of what she was valued before.

[Anonymous No.17721572]

>>17721557
It's obviously insane but there are droves of them now. To be fair many of these girls are maybe just the types who would have otherwise just been butch lesbians or something, idk, I have no real contact with zoomers so I'm not sure what's going on with them, I've only seen the stats.

[Anonymous No.17721581]

Based thread. Thanks /lit/, I've hope in you again.

[Anonymous No.17721669]

>>17721517
lol go back to the Evola thread fag

[Anonymous No.17721680]

>>17721528
To a large part it is

[Anonymous No.17721691]

>>17721531
>communist raid
I will take that as a compliment
One man army!

[Anonymous No.17721705]

>>17721581
what was your favourite part

[Anonymous No.17721715]

>>17720702
Women don't usually have a concept of supremacy. It's a patriarchal concept. They are on average conciliatory in their attitude toward each other. Feminism's whole "girl power" angle always struck me as try-hard and insincere. To dominate in political spheres you must behave like a man . So they must behave in ways that contradict their ideology if they wish to wield power other than in a more distributed and even-keeled way.

[Anonymous No.17721719]

>>17721669
ynbaw

[Anonymous No.17721786]

>>17720702
Sucking Dick and Why Women Are the Best at It

[Anonymous No.17721801]

>>17721705
Where the feminist was forced to acknowledge jewish supremacy.

[Anonymous No.17721806]

[Anonymous No.17721839]

>>17720702

[Anonymous No.17721848]

[Anonymous No.17721861]

[Anonymous No.17721872]

[Anonymous No.17721873]

>female supremacy

[Anonymous No.17721877]

based, fuck men.

[Anonymous No.17721880]

[Anonymous No.17721891]

[Anonymous No.17721906]

[Anonymous No.17721917]

>>17721877
This whole spiel is a thinly veiled plea for a callous, aggressive man to dominate her

[Anonymous No.17721921]

[Anonymous No.17721926]

[Anonymous No.17721958]

No I want to be her desu

[Anonymous No.17721973]

>I believe in FEMALE SUPREMACY

[Anonymous No.17722006]

[Anonymous No.17722012]

[Anonymous No.17722024]

[Anonymous No.17722035]

Moot?

[Anonymous No.17722041]

>>17720702
If you know french you can read Maitresse Françoise. It's kind of intresting.

[Anonymous No.17722057]

Ya. Little wouldn't be my first choice in kind, but ya.

[Anonymous No.17722066]

[Anonymous No.17722077]

[Anonymous No.17722090]

[Anonymous No.17722097]

>>17722077

Pls post book about this or return to hentai alt.

Weirdo.

[Anonymous No.17722173]

>>17720967
>>17721060
>>17721128

We obviously don't have a Patriarchy or else discussions like this and retards like this would be genocided on sight and rightfully so.

[Anonymous No.17722195]

Punch a Nazi

[Anonymous No.17722248]

>>17721463
That's how Destiny and Vaush argue. It is always disingenuous, without exception. One time I had somebody request a source for a hypothetical argument that I was making. They were too stupid to do it right and that's the sort of person I imagine when I see somebody requesting a source for anything.

[Anonymous No.17722442]

>>17722195
Punch a woman

[Anonymous No.17722453]

>>17722248
Correct

[Anonymous No.17722468]

>>17722442
Equality; is not it beautiful?

[Anonymous No.17722476]

>>17722442
I enjoy that, too.

[Anonymous No.17723016]

>>17721877
xys are disgusting, based post

[Anonymous No.17723067]

>>17721917
Agree or disagree, you still fail the test. The correct answer is showing her that all of her problems can be solved with your penis. Only Grug can solve female neurosis.

[Anonymous No.17723074]

So what's the deal with femdom? Is it retarded or is it actually just an inversion of power?

[Anonymous No.17723100]

>>17721691
>use of an exclamation point
>man
Highly questionable.

[Anonymous No.17723251]

>>17723016
Rude. It's not as if they can help the non behavior end of it, they aren't all awful. Infact some of my best friends are xy

[Anonymous No.17723355]

>>17723074
Yes

[Anonymous No.17723510]

>>17723251
you’re charitable for associating with them

[Anonymous No.17723525]

>>17723074
It's retarded. Read Venus in Furs, it's an anti-femdom book masquerading as the original femdom book. All women want to be dominated so by submitting to a woman you're just setting yourself up to be her cuck when she finds a man she wants to submit to.

[Anonymous No.17723942]

>>17721084
>>Societal norms, laws, cultural institutions are wildly skewed in favor of women and it’s not even funny.
>lmao
If you don't think we live in a gynocentric society you have a low iq

[Anonymous No.17723947]

>>17721801
God reactionaries are so dumb

[Anonymous No.17723952]

>>17720702

[Anonymous No.17723957]

>>17722248
That's because you are a moron who can't back up your claims. This is why anti-feminists can't argue.

[Anonymous No.17723970]

>>17723942
If it was so obvious it wouldn't be hard to provide evidence for it

[Anonymous No.17723983]

>>17723970
Women benefit from special programs across society. They get preferential treatment in school applications, their businesses get a special preferential designation, they have special interest groups within most major organizations they explicitly fight for their benefit at the expense of men. Men have none of these things.

[Anonymous No.17724035]

>>17720702
I used to be more misogynistic when I was younger, but college was a real eye opener for me, and I don't mean because I took some bullshit feminist studies class. Most men are fucking unbearable to be around. I think that the greatest men are superior to the greatest women, but the problem is that every mediocre subhuman man believes himself to be exceptional. There is no greater narcissism than that found in the average man. Women pretend to be extremely self-confident but are much more open about their vulnerabilities and their short comings as they become more comfortable around you. When you get to know a man you realize how highly he thinks of himself. So many men will claim that males are the superior sex because they've advanced society, but for every exceptional man there were millions of men who wanted to keep society shit. I don't believe that either sex is superior, but I've never seen a quality man spout the anti-woman rhetoric found on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.17724053]

>>17721121
and they would stop being societies when women no longer provide a surplus birth rate

[Anonymous No.17724063]

>>17724035
>Nietzsche wasn't a quality man
I find that hard to believe.

I suppose the best of men are like Newton and simply disregard women altogether as a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.17724070]

>>17724063
most famous writers and scientists were family-men

[Anonymous No.17724074]

>>17723983
Let's take them one by one.
>Societal norms.
Having multiple sexual partners it is seen as a vice if you are a woman, but it is seen as a masculine trait in men. It is generally expected for a woman to put aside her career to take care of the children. Lack of physical attractiveness is generally considered a more serious flaw if you are a woman.
>Laws
Laws are egalitarian in western liberal democracies
>Cultural Institutions
Can't see the relevance

[Anonymous No.17724075]

>>17723355
What the fuck is this shit. Wtf is wrong with u zoomers wtf dude

[Anonymous No.17724080]

>>17721001
nice caricature of americans, haha

[Anonymous No.17724084]

>>17724074
Who are you quoting? This doesn't address anything I said lmao

[Anonymous No.17724088]

>>17723947
Is reactionary supposed to be an insult? Cut the Islamophobia.

[Anonymous No.17724093]

>>17724084
Go back a few posts, here is the accusation you made >>17723942

[Anonymous No.17724097]

>>17724088
No, the '"dumb" part is the insult. Dumbass.

[Anonymous No.17724101]

>>17720967
kill yourself lol

[Anonymous No.17724104]

>>17724093
Not him, and not saying cultural institutions are/n't patriarchal, but they influence the lives of individuals as much in many respects as written laws do, it'd be reductionist to discount them.

[Anonymous No.17724108]

>>17724093
I didn't make that. You said it wouldn't be hard to provide evidence that we live in a gynocentric society and I provided the evidence. Take it or leave.

[Anonymous No.17724113]

>>17724063
Nietzsche was a great philosopher, but he was a train wreck of a human being. Many famous philosophers like Schopenhauer were described by their contemporaries as being awful, narcissist humans. Many men of old, while being intelligent, also suffered from the folly of being completely wrapped up in their religious convictions. There are many great contemporary minds that don't hold such beliefs. Being a quality mind doesn't just mean being highly intelligent, a prodigy that fails to be exception in every way except their studies is an intellectual, but it'd be hard to argue that they're a quality man.

[Anonymous No.17724120]

>>17724104
I meant that he didn't specify what aspect of cultural institutions are anti men

[Anonymous No.17724125]

>>17724075
What's wrong grandpa, scared that you're not in with "it" anymore lol

[Anonymous No.17724144]

I'm extremely hard pressed to find something women are better at besides being women.

They're not great thinkers, they're not great writers, they're not great scientists, they're not great workers, they're not great leaders, they're not great CEOs, craftsmen, or warriors. A gynocentric society is a mediocre society.

[Anonymous No.17724162]

>>17724144
What is the essence of womanhood, and what is the essence of manhood, divorced from all other aspects of society? Is the essence of a man a scientist/craftsman and leader?

[Anonymous No.17724163]

>>17724108
>I didn't make that.
God I hate when people jump in on random arguments
>You said it wouldn't be hard to provide evidence that we live in a gynocentric society and I provided the evidence.
"Gynocentric" is a a vague term that doesn't mean anything, the argument I was having was about societal laws and norms being skewed in favor of women, which is a ridiculous position.

[Anonymous No.17724166]

>>17724162
>what is the essence of manhood
Die in wars to protect their women and homes.

[Anonymous No.17724171]

>>17724162
the essence of a woman is to be the nucleus of a family; without her, there is no family and no people.

the essence of a man is to build, create, destroy, and everything else in between.

I'm not misogynist, but I am realistic; women were not blessed with the capacity for ingenuity in all things, they are, in a way, more fundamental to existence than that.

[Anonymous No.17724193]

>>17724163
>"Gynocentric" is a a vague term that doesn't mean anything
Maybe for ESL niggers who don't have a full grasp of the English language. You asked for evidence and now that it's been presented you're shrinking back like a worm behind semantic arguments when you had no problem engaging with these words when you asked for evidence in the first place. If this is all you have to say I'll accept your admission of error.

[Anonymous No.17724224]

>>17724162
Just look at the archetypal stories. Man as explorer, conquerer and protector, female as tamer and nurturer. That's the stories both sexes consume over and over. It's only since capital integrated women into the professional workforce that we get an ideological approach to their story. By choice women still read about wild pirates or whatever that fall in love with the princess.

[Anonymous No.17724232]

>>17724193
I asked for evidence because I thought you were the anon I was responding to, but you admitted that you are some random guy you jumped in. And "gynocentric" is a vague term that can mean anything. In traditional societies women are responsible for bringing up children. Is that "gynocentrism"? It's not a useful term.

[Anonymous No.17724237]

>>17720733
kek

[Anonymous No.17724281]

>>17724035
I can only imagine that stereotypical image of that nu-male holding a coffee mug when I read this.

[Anonymous No.17724284]

>>17724232
Yes you fucking retard you're on a public website anyone can post here. Go DM your boyfriend if you only want to talk to one person. I posted evidence now you're trying to change the subject because you don't want to actually address what you asked for. If you don't know what gynocentric means why did you say that it's not obvious that we live in a gynocentric society and then ask for evidence? You clearly knew what the word meant when you asked for evidence of it. You got what you asked for now you're retreating behind semantics like a slug. Either address what you asked for or shut up. You're not going to slink out of this you midwit.

[Anonymous No.17724303]

>>17724284
>I posted evidence now you're trying to change the subject because you don't want to actually address what you asked for. If you don't know what gynocentric means why did you say that it's not obvious that we live in a gynocentric society and then ask for evidence?
Because I assumed you were the anon I was responding to (duh) and by gynocentric you meant the same as "Societal norms, laws, cultural institutions are wildly skewed in favor of women". If you clarified from the start that you weren't him and meant something different I won't bother wasting my time with you.

[Anonymous No.17724337]

>>17724303
>still not addressing the evidence he asked for and still slinking back into meta arguments
gay

[Anonymous No.17724338]

>>17724232
don’t worry kween i’ll fight this battle for you, ok? <3 hey >>17724284 you’re using really mean words and anonette over here doesn’t buy into your assertion that society is gynocentric so why don’t you apologize for the trouble you caused? it’s not a law yet but i’m pushing a bill wherein all men have to apologize to women for being mean and stupid and upsetting them. <3 i hate this soft gynocentrism! let’s fully commit now. and anonette, don’t worry about me...i’m here in the shadows.......defending fellow kweens. he’s a silly, stupid boy and he doesn’t realize feminism is for everyone!

[Anonymous No.17724364]

>>17724338
kek it probably is a wahman poster thats why he keeps trying to slink around semantic arguments

[Anonymous No.17724372]

>>17724337
You haven't defined what a gynocratic society is dummy. Evidence is always evidence for a particular proposition.

[Anonymous No.17724376]

>>17724372
*gynocentric

[Anonymous No.17724377]

>>17724372
see>>17724337

[Anonymous No.17724383]

>>17724281
Your brain has been poisoned by 4chan.

[Anonymous No.17724384]

>>17724377
Are you retarded it is impossible to discuss your evidence if you don't specify what the evidence is FOR

[Anonymous No.17724386]

>>17724372
i don’t know what he thinks it is but frankly there is not enough of it. i won’t stop fighting for women’s rights until women can legally purchase men but by that point will realize they are useless and so they’ll send all the men to space to orbit some rock, stink around, play video games, and sodomize one another.

[Anonymous No.17724388]

>>17721047
Get some pussy

[Anonymous No.17724415]

>>17724384
I've addressed this already, if you'd just going to keep repeating yourself I'm just going to direct you to the same post over and over again. You asked for something, you got it, and now that you've got it you refuse to move the conversation further past that. That's fine but it probably would have been easier to just stop posting once your bluff got called.

[Anonymous No.17724476]

>>17724415
Until you explain what a gynocentric society is all your evidence is useless

[Anonymous No.17724526]

>>17724476
see >>17724193

[Anonymous No.17724539]

>>17724476
>>17724526
I think both of you should continue doing this until the thread reaches the bump limit.

[Anonymous No.17724619]

>>17721438
Yes, the social thing is that it's less stigmatised

[Anonymous No.17724622]

>>17724539
nah I'm done

[Anonymous No.17724639]

>>17724526
That was your last chance, bye

[Anonymous No.17724643]

>>17724619
Of course, transgenders are a systemically privileged class so naturally people who feel socially outcast will gravitate towards it in an attempt to raise their social value. Why go through the struggle of trying to attract women when you can just become a woman lmao.

[Anonymous No.17724650]

>>17724639
You sound like a woman and you argue like one, please try to shape up next time you come to my website.

[Anonymous No.17724666]

>>17724643
They are also socially outcast however. People hate them and will try to kill them often.

[Anonymous No.17724682]

>>17721493
This is why nobody loves you

[Anonymous No.17724708]

>>17724682
That's not how it usually works. You get ostracized and then begin to hate.

[Anonymous No.17724715]

>>17720702
I don't know, I haven't read any

[Anonymous No.17724726]

>>17724383
I'd prefer that to college/reddit honestly.

[Anonymous No.17724728]

>>17724708
You should write a book about your feelings, anon. I'm sure somebody will read it.

[Anonymous No.17724744]

>>17724708
Observational humor and hate are not the same thing

[Anonymous No.17724754]

>>17724639
what a gay post

[Anonymous No.17724755]

>>17724666
Yeah on an individual level sure. Systemically though transgendered people get all kinds of support. Name me a university, Fortune 500 company, or government agency that isn't bending over backwards to show their support for transgendered people. Obviously this does not translate to loved life on an individual level but that's part of the illusion that leads people into transgenderism in the first place.

[Anonymous No.17724760]

>>17722248
It's doublethink. They just play dumb when you ask them to back up their stuff, but hammer you hard on every little thing you bring to the table.

>To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself—that was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word—doublethink—involved the use of doublethink.

[Anonymous No.17724914]

>>17724728
>>17724744
I just commented on that one post I have no idea what happened in the wider discussion.

[Anonymous No.17724956]

>>17724476
One that treats women as more valuable. Comes with both the perks (more likely to get help, free shit, sympathy) and the problems (taken less seriously, restricted for safety, seen as more vulnerable). Men are treated as more disposable, but also more responsible.

[Anonymous No.17724975]

>>17724914
You should write a book about the feelings of confusion you feel walking into a conversation in the middle of a masquerade ball

[Anonymous No.17724994]

>>17724975
I'm not a writer so I should propably write a book about that.

[Anonymous No.17725059]

>>17721328
This anon gets it.

[Anonymous No.17725094]

>>17721277
If it's only run by a tiny portion of elite men, then how can you just claim it's a male-dominated society, especially since the vast majority of males take no share in that power.

[Anonymous No.17725106]

>>17721328
Not all women, but outside of that this is spot on for the gynocentric world view.

[Anonymous No.17725128]

>>17725094
um are you dumb lol

[Anonymous No.17725139]

>>17720702
>218 posts
>Almost no books listed

Have a few books fellow man of culture. All books have either female led societies or matriarchies in power.
>When God Was a Woman -Merlin Stone (nonfiction!)
>Ammonite - Nicola Griffith
>Looking Glass Wars (series) - Frank Beddor
>The White Goddess - Robert Graves
>Wheel of Time (series) - Robert Jordan
>Wonder Woman (especially 40's-60's era!)
>The Matter of Seggri - Ursula K. Le Guin
>Saga of the Exiles (series) - Julian may

[Anonymous No.17725150]

>>17725128
I'm sorry. I stand by my statements, though. Please address.

[Anonymous No.17725163]

>>17725139
Look at this book nerd over here trying to have a productive thread. Good stuff, anon

[Anonymous No.17725165]

>>17724171
Being realistic is misogynistic anon. Please stick to the agenda.

[Anonymous No.17725166]

>>17724755
Still quite sad, innit? They don't get the respect from their fellow humans even if they get FastTracked into a nicer job/house/car/position

[Anonymous No.17725203]

>>17725094
I already addressed that point earlier in the thread since people kept bringing it up. To say that a society is male dominated is merely to identify one trait of the ruling class (they are -mostly- men). It doesn't identify any traits of men *as a whole*.

[Anonymous No.17725212]

>>17724666
>People hate them
It's a mix of people rejecting things they can't wrap their head around and a response to a lot of bitter trans people lashing out against everyone on Twitter and ruining the reputation of trans people to the average person
>and will try to kill them often
oddly enough, no. they seem to be victims per capita in between men and women.

[Anonymous No.17725218]

>>17725203
Then why use the term patriarchy at all if it doesn't reflect reality?

[Anonymous No.17725269]

>>17725218
It does, you just don't understand the term

[Anonymous No.17725272]

>>17725150
ok, well, your statements are dumb bc you’re dumb. also, nearly every man has power over women both physically and financially. go commit 96% of homicides and 80.4% of violent crimes loooooser

[Anonymous No.17725293]

>>17721001
>>Why the fuck are you even here. You’re not welcome.

[Anonymous No.17725306]

>>17725272
What's going on here, is it bait? Is it a tranny delivering his misogynist interpretation of a woman? Or are we truly witnessing the power of the female mind?

[Anonymous No.17725339]

>>17725269
Why do you insist on being hard to understand? Do you like things vague so you can flip-flop whenever it's convenient?
>nearly every man has power over women both physically
So complain to nature's manager
>and financially
We work harder. In return, women are better able to sucker men out of their money or simmer down their aggressive tendencies, being able to talk them down most of the time. How often do you see men keep maintain anger when a woman cries? It activates something primal in men to set them into defense mode. Men get strength, women get mind games. Both have pros and cons. Welcome to sexual dimorphism. Don't like it, major in genetic engineering.

[Anonymous No.17725344]

>>17725339
meant to also quote
>>17725272

[Anonymous No.17725375]

>>17720702
Literally the name-sake: Venus in Furs by that Mascho guy.

[Anonymous No.17725386]

>>17725375
Truly the only acceptable post. I didn't even read the thread.

[Anonymous No.17725418]

Juliet by the great Marquis de Sade features an extraordinary and glorious sadistic woman that only gets pleasure out of everything she does and touches.
The only good literary book about femdom you need. (Even though it's not purely femdom as you know it. It's a lot more psychological and philosophical as well.)

[Anonymous No.17725429]

There's very little femdom in this thread

Are any of the retarded whores who lurk here (I hate women btw) going to post about how I'm inferior to them or not

[Anonymous No.17725431]

Pretty sure was some French coomer occultist who’s masterwork was this topic

[Anonymous No.17725432]

>>17725339
>Why do you insist on being hard to understand? Do you like things vague so you can flip-flop whenever it's convenient?
I already explained it to you, you are not using the term correctly: "If in society x the average man doesn't have more power than the average woman, how can you say that society x is patriarchal"?
^That's not how Patriarchy is defined
As I said,
>To say that a society is male dominated is merely to identify one trait of the ruling class (they are -mostly- men).
What you are doing is defining the term differently and then complaining that it doesn't fit the facts

[Anonymous No.17725442]

>>17725429
take your hands off your dick for a minute so that you can neck yourself you worthless coomer

[Anonymous No.17725445]

>>17725429
Feminists are not into femdom. They're 1000% submissive.
I'm into BDSM, I know what I'm talking about.

[Anonymous No.17725467]

The most "subversive" shit hardcore feminists dare to do is probably: Sorority, witchcraft maybe...
But BDSM? Dominating men? Nope. They dream of being raped, of being put back to their place, like most women, but these ones are conflicted between their sexual needs and desires, and their stupid brain ideologies.
I'd say most women into femdom are actually more sane and structured than your average SJW feminist.

[Anonymous No.17725500]

>>17725306
96% says what?

[Anonymous No.17725586]

>>17725432
So would you say society is simultaneously gynocentric and patriarchal?

[Anonymous No.17725645]

>>17725432
So, if you are solely concerned with the gender of the leading officials of powerful institutions and corporations, that would mean Western society would cease to be a patriarchy if every single Fortune-500-CEO came as out MtF-Transgender, correct? Even with no underlying changes to their behaviour, our cultural values and societal norms, the simple act of changing the gendered description on the passports of a tiny majority would, for you, necessitate a change in a fundamental characterization of our society?

[Anonymous No.17725807]

>>17725586
I don't know what gynocentric means.
>>17725645
>So, if you are solely concerned with the gender of the leading officials of powerful institutions and corporations, that would mean Western society would cease to be a patriarchy if every single Fortune-500-CEO came as out MtF-Transgender, correct? Even with no underlying changes to their behaviour, our cultural values and societal norms, the simple act of changing the gendered description on the passports of a tiny majority would, for you, necessitate a change in a fundamental characterization of our society?
Not particularly relevant to our discussion but that would be a good reductio argument against the view that being a woman is entirely a matter of how you identify.

[Anonymous No.17725913]

>>17725807
So, just for the record, you refused to give a clear answer to the question I posed. I'm just going to ask again: If the leading figures of our most powerful institutions would change their legal identification to female, would our society cease to be a patriarchy, even if no subsequent behavioral or structural changes were to take place, yes or no?

[Anonymous No.17725954]

>>17725807
see>>17724956
and stop playing dumb

[Anonymous No.17725970]

A bit of an offshoot, try Herland by Charlotte Perkins Gilman. It does, however, read more like a light jab at the ego of both sexes.

[Anonymous No.17727098]

James Joyce' Ulysses