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[Anonymous No.17724842]

Why won't society accept that free will does not exist?

[Anonymous No.17724845]

Because even if free will doesn't exist, we all must act like it doesn't just to do anything at all. It's a non-issue. Whether or not there is free will, everything is the same.

[Anonymous No.17724846]

Gamers rise up
(If, of course, that is predetermined)

[Anonymous No.17724869]

>>17724842
Would it really benefit anyone if we did though? Everybody would act the same, if not a little more lazy and unmotivated

[Anonymous No.17724885]

>>17724842
Why even ask? You already know it's not up to them/it.

[Anonymous No.17724889]

>>17724842
It's the same thing as saying life does not exists and all matter in the universe is inanimate, which is absurd given we are all obviously alive.

[Anonymous No.17724904]

>>17724842
The main reason is that people just have a hard time thinking clearly about the subject, and the secondary reason is that it rubs people the wrong way because of feelings of pride, or vengeance, or whatever.

A whole lot of people don't believe in it though, the idea that you didn't choose to be the sort of person you were born as is not hard to understand, brainlets just say something 'it's in my nature' to convey this idea.

[Anonymous No.17725310]

>>17724904
>>17724842
actually it's because the topic is more subtle than ugh there's causality that mean everything determined, end of story. and you guys are too retarded to engage with it and so cling to this simple truth when faced with the bigger topic.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.17725368]

Let’s talk about the multiverse instead for once.

[Anonymous No.17726462]

>>17724885
He can't do anything other than ask.

[Anonymous No.17726468]

>>17724842
It ain't good for capitalism

[Anonymous No.17726519]

>>17726468
It ain't good for any system that doesn't benefit from it's populace being less energetic and less motivated. So, it ain't good for any system.

[Anonymous No.17727434]

>>17726519
Ummm... How could a populace without free will determine how energetic and motivated they'd be, regardless their knowledge of free will or 'systemic' context?

[Anonymous No.17727537]

>>17724842
Our justice system is based on the premise that people have free will and can decide between doing or not doing an action.

[Anonymous No.17727543]

>>17727537
Yea, which means the justice system is predicated on a falsehood.

[Anonymous No.17727575]

>>17724842
Because it's an extremely counterintuitive statement and, if you ask me, probably not true. Check out Roger Penrose's take on this.

[Anonymous No.17727598]

If people understood that they weren't free they would be inspired toward real action and proving their worth, which is counteractive to the global human-cattle production scheme.

But, since people already believe that they are free, they feel any act they do is justified by their "individuality", but in fact they only take themselves further and further away from reality and actualization. They only have the freedom to descend, not ascend.

[Anonymous No.17727704]

>>17724842
One of these men is a massive poonhound who’s slain more than you’ll ever dream of. The answer might surprise you.

[Anonymous No.17727799]

>>17727537
I plead determinism, your honor.

[Anonymous No.17727809]

>why won't society
talking about things that don't exist

[Anonymous No.17727811]

>>17725310
>doesn't even try to explain this apparent subtlety
lol. There is none, but you're welcome to embarrass yourself and obfuscate for a while if you'd like.

[Anonymous No.17727823]

>>17725368
what film is this from

[Anonymous No.17727824]

>>17727543
Yet if the justice system accepted determinism, the system would have no function. Its more accurate to say that justice systems are predicated on this falsehood.

[Anonymous No.17727836]

>thinks free will does not exist
>asks why someone does something
? are you retarded or trolling

[Anonymous No.17727855]

>>17726462
How tragic.

[Anonymous No.17727859]

>>17727836
>planets don't have free will lmao why are you asking why they orbit in a particular pattern

[Anonymous No.17727861]

>>17724842
Once some super AI can accurately calculate the future of every living human being and atom in the universe, then every action and reaction made by any human could be seen before it happened via this artificial intelligence. A near omnipotent super AI via perfect accuracy/unlimited information could theoretically simulate the entire universe prior to now and beyond this point in time.
If that were to happen, determinism wouldn't even really have a name anymore. It would just be the default conception.

[Anonymous No.17727894]

>>17725368

Modal logic implies that there is a universe in which "being a lesbian" means having a sexual attraction to /lit/ bros.
As such, there is a universe where (you), Butters, is sexually lusting after me and all other anons. Perhaps we have even hooked up and I have inserted my unwashed penis in (you). In fact I believe that would happen necessarily at that point.
Discuss.

[Anonymous No.17727946]

>free will does not exist
Anon said, of his own free will.

[Anonymous No.17727964]

>>17727946
He said it because it occurred to him for whatever reason, likely because he read it somewhere. There is always a 'because', it's never just 'he did it magically out of nowhere lmao'

[Anonymous No.17727983]

>>17727598
>If people understood that they weren't free they would be inspired toward real action and proving their worth, which is counteractive to the global human-cattle production scheme.
Very nice.

[Anonymous No.17728034]

>>17724845
Exactly this. There's this stupid idea floating around that if we know definitively that free will doesn't exist we will not hold criminals responsible... which makes no sense, given that society still needs to function. Anyone can use the "no free will" excuse otherwise. Knowledge of free will's existence or not does not invalidate any other body of knowledge/political system/society/etc., only at most reframing the system in terms of a deterministic human psychology that functions outwardly the same as if free will did exist.

Existence of free will is an interesting observation about ontology but nothing more. I like what Camus said about the existence of free will to the same effect, something about how it does not matter if it is just an illusion or not because I can only judge my sensation that it exists, thus I must act as if it does, regardless of the underlying truth. It is a non-issue.

[Anonymous No.17728037]

>>17727946
How do your thoughts generate? While everybody feels in control of their own thoughts, how does your will generate thought to act upon in the first place?

[Anonymous No.17728047]

>>17728034
>my sensation that it exists
Not everybody has this. To some their own will appears like just 'part of the movie'

[Anonymous No.17728061]

>>17728047
that's called dissociation and i've experienced it before. it's an abnormal psychological response. you're not supposed to feel that way.

[Anonymous No.17728071]

>>17728034
From a literal perspective you´re correct, but from a phenomenological perspective its very important

[Anonymous No.17728077]

>>17724842
because it literally doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.17728078]

>>17728061
That's just how I feel all the time, I have always had a vague sense of surprise about the stuff I do and say, it just sort of comes out