/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.17789921]

Imagine a small island upon which a child had been brought up not to associate sex one bit with shame, or dirtiness. If they were allowed to choose their partner and the kind of act in which to indulge, where would this "psychological scarring" originate from?

[Anonymous No.17790105]

jesus, this board is dead

[Anonymous No.17790155]

time for Queer-Theory Jeopardy i guess.

https://youtu.be/8s8_zUyESlE

[Anonymous No.17790231]

This book is too radical for /lit/, since it is overrun by moralfags. No one will actually adress this argument in good faith, because people get bad feelings in their tummy tummy when they think outside "pedophilia is automatically bad" little box just for one millisecond.

[Anonymous No.17790238]

>In downtown Berlin, some pharmacists peddled a side trade in child prostitutes. These boys and girls were prescribed as ‘medicine’. If you knew where to go, you simply told the chemist you wanted some ‘medicine’. You would also tell him how long you had been ill for. This was all part of a not-so-elaborate ruse; if you said you had been ill for 13 years, then the pimp knew you wanted a 13-year-old girl. Similarly, if you requested red pills, he would try and procure a redhead for you. In most cases, the pharmacist would know exactly where to take a prospective client and would deliver him to the appropriate club or apartment.


Reminder that Wiemar-style, child-exploitation Disneyland has always been the Jewish goal. It's their Kingdom of David. Their Heaven on Earth.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.17790247]

>>17790231
*click* yep that ones going in my based collection

[Anonymous No.17790249]

>>17790238
damn, jews are based then. didn't know. thanks, anon!

[Anonymous No.17790256]

>>17789921
The philosophical establishment keeps on fighting the never-ending fight of obtaining absolutely fuck all in the way of advancements for their pseudo-science and just continually pose post-modernist objections to standards of morality because they're neurotic pedophiles who really want to fuck children, wallow in self-misery and commit suicide before they can die of AIDS.

[Anonymous No.17790259]

>>17789921
All sex is traumatic; it is just a question as to whether we romanticize the damage

[Anonymous No.17790271]

>>17790231
>>17790247
>>17790249
Sooner than you think.

[Anonymous No.17790278]

>>17790238
literally based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.17790299]

>>17790231
Good, natural instinct has been honed by 100,000 years of human living and 6000 years of civilized existence, if something is naturally irksome, specially forms of sexual deviancy, it's because whatever it is will most likely represent the destruction of the social fabric through indulging mental illness.

The brainlet argument is "if you don't know you're being abused then it's not abuse". Tons of victims of child abuse would promptly disprove that.

[Anonymous No.17790307]

Soon
Soon

[Anonymous No.17790312]

>>17790259
>All sex is traumatic

How so /?

[Anonymous No.17790320]

>>17789921
All psychological scarring either originates from actual trauma, or from disreputal trauma. You're trying to box everything on the last one when there's 2 perspectives to look at
There is a society made aspect of trauma (which yes, is fucking retarded) and an actual component of trauma (pain)

[Anonymous No.17790324]

>>17790238
>Berlin transformed itself into the Babel of the world. Germans brought to perversion all their vehemence and love of system. Made-up boys with artificial waistlines promenaded along the Kurfustendamm. Even ancient Rome had not known orgies like the Berlin transvestite balls, where hundreds of men in women's clothes, and women in men's clothes, danced under the benevolent eyes of the police. Amid the general collapse of values, a kind of insanity took hold of precisely those middle class circles which had been unshakeable in their order. Young ladies proudly boasted that they were perverted: to be suspected of virginity at 16 would have been a disgrace in every school in Berlin.
Stefan Zweig

[Anonymous No.17790342]

>>17790320
>an actual component of trauma (pain)
People forget about physical pain pretty quickly after it subsides. The trauma of sexual abuse seems almost purely psychological/cultural.

[Anonymous No.17790350]

>>17790342
I meant psychological pain

[Anonymous No.17790362]

>>17790324
>>17790307
:|
People who draw similarities between now and Weimar Berlin are a bit delusional, if only because the will/backlash that led to the man who ended it will never happen again. They made that mistake once, it's not happening again.

[Anonymous No.17790383]

>>17790299
you do realize that pedophilia bad narrative was pushed by feminists and is a social construct, whereas having sex with teenagers who have had their periods is literally nature calling for them to have kids?

[Anonymous No.17790414]

>>17790362
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LyUF82tGNQv3/

[Anonymous No.17790416]

>>17790324
>(((Germans)))
There was a reason Germans were wildly antisemitic when Hitler rose to power. He didn't just cast some mass hypnosis.

The answer to "what would happen if adults were allowed to have sex with children with no taboo?" is Auschwitz. Those children are going to put you pedos in a fucking concentration camp when they get older.

>>17790247
Thanks for admiting you're a pederast.

[Anonymous No.17790433]

Imagining for what? Is reality not real? Why are you dreaming. Stop being provocative.

[Anonymous No.17790452]

>>17790231
still, no one actually adresses the argument, which is supported by scientific evidence. Do we need a bucket for all of those moralfag tears?

[Anonymous No.17790459]

>>17790362
>>17790414
There are more than a few such men alive. You just aren't seeing them on YouTube, Netflix, or cable television.

The only missing ingredient for Wiemar conditions are hyperinflation and mass starvation. And that is coming.

[Anonymous No.17790461]

>>17790383
>whereas having sex with teenagers who have had their periods is literally nature calling for them to have kids?

Yeah, except that children go through puberty at 8 years old now because of Rabbinic endocrine disruptors and hormone mimics in every product.

[Anonymous No.17790470]

>>17790383
>pedophilia bad narrative was pushed by feminists
Genetic Fallacy.

In order to effectively reproduce through sex, as sex's biological reason for existing is reproduction, one needs to be physically an adult sans some freak cases. If not, the process of puberty would be unnecessary, as you could just be physically an adult from birth and ready to reproduce and be fertile. As if biology and nature itself were trying to inform us that in order to understand what sex entails, its implications and consequences, one needs to be an adult. It is a brainlet argument to say that if a child is not introduced to the concept of sexual abuse they are not going to be traumatized by it, because the reason children get lured into sex abuse is because they do not understand its implications and consequences. Sexual pleasure is nature's way of seducing us into reproducing, but it can also run out of control and cause damage to the social fabric in the forms of harlotry, sodomy and every society where sex runs out of control and becomes a stagnated, devolving animalistic shithole. Using pre-pubescent children and teenagers for sexual pleasure is a distortion of the natural processes, a manipulation of the natural instintcs, and inherently a sin against nature itself.

[Anonymous No.17790479]

>>17790452
There’s a lot of scientific evidence for many things.

[Anonymous No.17790482]

>>17790461
>>17790238
>>17790307
>>17790324

[Anonymous No.17790486]

>>17790482
It is.

[Anonymous No.17790487]

>actual mouth breathers LARPing again
so sad

[Anonymous No.17790493]

>>17790342
People don’t forget to not touch a hot stove? Is that not a form of trauma?

[Anonymous No.17790507]

>>17790459
If such a man arises I again, I will be stunned. In my eyes, the sun has set on the age of Great Men that change make things better, or change things at all, really. I feel like things will just get worse until ecological conditions bring global civilization to its knees, at which point we are all screwed.

[Anonymous No.17790514]

>having sex with a woman of 17 years, 364 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes

YOU SICK FUCK!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.17790519]

>>17790482

[Anonymous No.17790529]

>>17790514
Half your age plus seven. Desu.

[Anonymous No.17790532]

>>17790238
>>17790416
>>17790459
Recommend as many books on jew wickedness in Wiemar, post WWI Germany as you know, and I will summarize their contents in a mega essay book that I will publish and cause much chaos in the literary establishment.

It's time to redpill normies on jooz.

[Anonymous No.17790534]

>>17790493
yes you remember that it causes pain and avoid doing it again, but it doesn't weigh on your conscience or make you feel ashamed

[Anonymous No.17790539]

>>17790507
There are probably some guys in the military who would be capable of the necessary sort of action, vision, and leadership. The problem I think is more that the systems of power have developed in ways that preclude an opening for anyone to do anything meaningful.

[Anonymous No.17790541]

>>17790529
Reddit, please evacuate

[Anonymous No.17790567]

>>17790493
More important is his tacit admission that sex with children does in fact cause physical harm, and that his cope is that the psychological pain is caused by people who want to protect those children from physcial pain.
>>17790507
https://nationaljusticeparty.com

[Anonymous No.17790574]

>>17790231
>people get bad feelings in their tummy tummy when they think outside "pedophilia is automatically bad" little box just for one millisecond.
those bad feelings aren't wrong. die of grundle cancer and doublenigger AIDS pedo scum

[Anonymous No.17790591]

>>17790539
Perhaps. Don't get me wrong, I am not in any way a fan of Hitler, but I romanticize the 1930s as the last time a person, as in 1 person, could make a difference in whatever way they wanted when it came to politics and the trajectory of their nation. After WWII, the world became a place where people are powerless, where all we can do is vote for something or another, pouring a glass into one of two oceans and saying we made a difference. The masses decide everything and the people are powerless.

[Anonymous No.17790592]

>>17790532
There's a list in here. I'll also post a few.

[Anonymous No.17790600]

>>17790592
Please do, not that anon but curious.

[Anonymous No.17790630]

>>17790567
>More important is his tacit admission that sex with children does in fact cause physical harm

I'm not 'admitting' or denying it. It's always possible to be physically harmed during sex, just as its possible to be harmed while walking down the stairs or across the street.

[Anonymous No.17790635]

>The Trauma Myth may be one of the most misunderstood books of the past decade. Based on its regrettable title, pedophiles erroneously believe it minimizes the harm of child sexual abuse; in the opposite corner, some misguided anti-abuse crusaders have demonized the Harvard-trained author as a pedophile apologist. As guest blogger Jon Brandt explains in this review -- first published in the Summer 2016 issue of The Forum, the newsletter of the Association for the Treatment of Sexual Abusers (ATSA) -- both fans and detractors of Susan Clancy have gotten the courageous researcher all wrong.
https://forensicpsychologist.blogspot.com/2016/07/book-review-trauma-myth-by-susan-clancy.html

Note that she says that less than 1 in 10 are traumatized. Astute readers, those educated in mathematics from a young age, will quickly see that less than one tenth is not equal to zero. Others trained in reading will find that she explicitly condemns CSA, but is simply asking use to reevaluate how we treat the victims of such actions. She suggest we move away from a treatment that asks use to treat them like gunshot victims, with trauma than must be stitched back together, and more like the victims of a deeply confusing action that asks us to help them psychologically integrate their flawed introduction to sexual behavior.

[Anonymous No.17790638]

>>17790541
...the dance floor

[Anonymous No.17790668]

>>17790574
if being a good NPC is what helps you sleep at night so be it

[Anonymous No.17790682]

>>17790574
Do you think that muslims had bad feelings about marrying 12 year olds when it was a cultural norm?

[Anonymous No.17790693]

>>17789921
The intuition of my penis is to fuck any age.
The intuition of my mind is to fuck that of consentual age.
Both are bad ways of ruling actions.

[Anonymous No.17790704]

>>17790635
>the negative feelings you have towards someone who vehemently knew they are doing something immoral by using a child for sexual satisfaction are just confusion caused by man made constructs bro, just chill bro, it's not like a physical wound or anything

[Anonymous No.17790733]

>>17790600
>>17790532
_Jewish Domination of Weimar Germany_ by Eckhart Verlag
>Jewish Domination of Weimar Germany was the National Socialist government’s first English-language attempt to explain the rationale behind their legislative moves to restrict Jewish influence in Germany after 1933.


_The Jewish Century_ Yuri Slezkine
>This masterwork of interpretative history begins with a bold declaration: The Modern Age is the Jewish Age--and we are all, to varying degrees, Jews.
The assertion is, of course, metaphorical. But it underscores Yuri Slezkines provocative thesis. Not only have Jews adapted better than many other groups to living in the modern world, they have become the premiere symbol and standard of modern life everywhere.
This book is full of boasts about the domination of German society by jews in the Weimar period.

[Anonymous No.17790744]

>>17790630
Okay pedo.

[Anonymous No.17790755]

>>17790704
That's not what was said.
>As victims try to reconcile how and why someone of trust would use them for sexual purposes, the ‘harm’ evolves
I.e. they begin to blame themselves for getting molested, feel stupid for being tricked as a child, and are confused in the sense that their life is now heavily affected by someone using them for a perversion.

[Anonymous No.17790770]

>>17790744
I expected better from /lit/

[Anonymous No.17790784]

>>17790744
>Okay pedo.
go back to twitter

[Anonymous No.17790807]

>>17790784

[Anonymous No.17790830]

>>17790755
>when children realize they've been sexually abused they suffer psychological trauma
That's what I said, the point is that this is the logical conclusion and result of sexual abuse, there is no changing or removing this process unless through the removal of child abuse itself.

[Anonymous No.17790841]

>>17790470
>If not, the process of puberty would be unnecessary, as you could just be physically an adult from birth and ready to reproduce and be fertile.
lmao what?

[Anonymous No.17790890]

>>17790733
Thank you friend.

[Anonymous No.17790907]

>>17789921
/lit/, this thread's posters and 4chan's obsession with normalizing sex with children and pedophilia as being something natural comes from a deep self-awareness of social and sexual inadequacy, and inability of obtaining sexual relationships with adult women, even if young barely legal ones fresh off of their teen years. They need to shoot for children because society, and therefore its members, have standards for approval of sexual partners, invariable rooted to social success and capacity, and socially retarded mentally stunted autists are incapable of such abilities.

In sum, autists and social retards' only hope towards achieving the sexual or romantic approval of another living being is with a gullible child who knows nothing of the world and its standards and objective measures of quality, easily manipulated by the first adult that appears in front of them, only that even in reality, children themselves are socialized and educated enough by their parents to be able to tell that the 4channers in front of them are sexual abusers of the highest caliber of social retardation. Their only hope, a little girl who doesn't know of the higher qualities of social ability, attractiveness, mental health and intelligence found in commonly well-adjusted men.

Now prove me wrong if you can.

[Anonymous No.17790928]

>>17790841
Nature reserves sex in humans for the adult age, if this weren't the case we would be born fertile and reproductive already

[Anonymous No.17790933]

>>17790238
>f you said you had been ill for 13 years, then the pimp knew you wanted a 13-year-old girl.
I chuckled

[Anonymous No.17790951]

>>17790830
I agree, but I would amend that the child is *already* suffering. The realization and the victim's reaction is merely the first symptom that, at last, cannot be ignored.

The academic pederasts are pretending the victim's horrified, conscious reaction is the actual trauma. But it's merely a symptom of the injury they've always been laboring under.

This is an inversion on the order of "the child seduced me!" But in this case the pedo is projecting blame onto child advocates.

[Anonymous No.17790960]

>>17790890
Np. There's more. Still looking.

[Anonymous No.17790967]

>>17790907
>society sees thing as bad
>therefore it has to have bad sources
pelase go back to twitter to moralfag

[Anonymous No.17790970]

>>17790960
Have you ever read Mohler's Der Nasenring? I am trying to translate into shitty English and might dump it on /lit/

[Anonymous No.17790992]

>>17790907
I am autistic and only get hard at trannies with giant tits

[Anonymous No.17791001]

>>17790967
Watch 5 minutes of To Catch a Predator and the crushing majority of them is a spergy social retard of some sort.

[Anonymous No.17791020]

>>17790907
You sound like a seething roastie.
Pedophiles are disgusting, but age has no bearing on "knowing the world" nor are common men unfamiliar with deviance or taboo. It is ironic that your counter to a sexual expression of power is just a bogus game of society doing the same thing.

[Anonymous No.17791026]

>>17790907
>this thread's posters
>4chan's obsession
This is just a microcosm. It's being forced onto the culture at large.

[Anonymous No.17791028]

>>17791001
or just the retards with no self awareness get caught, a tv show set in burgerland is no match for my analysis

[Anonymous No.17791040]

>>17789921
When I was 13 I spent the night at a friend's house. After everyone had gone to bed, the father stumbled drunkenly into the house over to me. He, stinking of alcohol, pet my hair and told me how wonderful I was and how pretty, and what a good little girl I was.

To this day, if someone pets my hair, I'm automatically regressed to a 13 yr. old, being very plaint and silent under the attention of a strange 40 yr. old man I didn't know.

Let me say, I was not sexually abused. This happened only once. But I was aware that his behavior deviated from the norm, and that if he decided to act, I would be helpless.

The next morning, I heard him and his wife screaming at each other, and I knew it was because she knew what he had said to me.

I knew what sex was at the time. I was not ashamed of it. I had already discovered my own fucked up fetishes. But this fuckin' dude imprinted upon my subconscious a fear response to something completely unsexual that is pervasive to this day.

conclude from that what you will.

[Anonymous No.17791047]

>>17791026
This fucking Wiener guy (the politician pictured), someone has to get this fucker shot or something.

[Anonymous No.17791059]

>>17791040
....Have you gone to therapy or talked to anyone irl about this?

[Anonymous No.17791062]

>>17791040
women have a built in mechanism to create fake traumas for themselves to appear more interesting to other people, because majority of them lack a personality

[Anonymous No.17791067]

>>17790970
I'd be very interested.

You might consider pitching a more serious effort to Antelope Hill

https://www.antelopehillpublishing.com

They're paying for high-quality original translations of historical nationalist work.

[Anonymous No.17791082]

>>17791059
...no

>>17791062
bullshit

[Anonymous No.17791094]

>>17791020
>age has no bearing on "knowing the world"
Repeat until you convince yourself or the little girls you'd like to tell that they're so mature for their age. Besides, the argument is that autists believe that but that is not necessarily representative of reality, little girls would be plenty aware of their retardation and intentions.

>nor are common men unfamiliar with deviance or taboo
being familiar with something does not mean committing it.

>your counter to a sexual expression of power is just a bogus game of society doing the same thing.
Pursuing sexual relationships with children whose understanding of the world is extremely shallow and lacking is not equivalent to members of society of your same age expecting the bare minimum of social ability from you, tard.

[Anonymous No.17791102]

>>17791082
Maybe you should anon. It is unfortunate that this happened to you, and it is unfortunate that it has affected you to this day.

[Anonymous No.17791105]

>>17791082
>bullshit
>goes on to /lit/ to grab attention from people
whatever lol

[Anonymous No.17791120]

I want to kill all pedophiles

[Anonymous No.17791123]

>>17791062
Yeah. No. The same thing happens to males. The threshold is just higher.

Women are a more sensitive to it because they're instinctively aware of their own vulnerability. As they should be.

[Anonymous No.17791146]

>>17791105
>if you even mention it once then you're an attention seeking whore
k

[Anonymous No.17791159]

>>17790231
You will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.17791172]

>>17791120
OP here. I am a pedophile.

Why would you want to kill me?

[Anonymous No.17791177]

>>17791102
Thank you anon. I should, but it really is the least of my issues.

[Anonymous No.17791189]

If pedophiles are bad then why are they so hecking cute and valid?

[Anonymous No.17791205]

>>17791172
Tainting the innocence of a child with your sexual perversion is one of the most fucked up things you can do to someone.
I would unironically support gassing every single (((pedophile))).

[Anonymous No.17791218]

>>17791205
what do you think about the idea that social mores agaisnt pedophilia were pushed by feminists and didnt exist untill then? Or about the idea that greek elites were sexualy active with minors? You think feminists are more based than greeks?

[Anonymous No.17791222]

>>17791040
It's unfortunate that this happened to you anon, but keep in mind that your experience is not representative of all experiences, and that this occurrence wasn't prevented by the existing social and legal climate. There is no law that can prevent people from being creepy, but attempts to do so may well result in cases that cause harm where it would not otherwise exist.

[Anonymous No.17791246]

>>17791205
>Beware of all those in whom the urge to punish is strong.

[Anonymous No.17791249]

>>17791218
Pedophilia was a taboo in society long before feminists were a thing. Do you only know the 5c BC and 20c AD? Nothing inbetween?
Greeks were disgusting in a lot of things they did.

[Anonymous No.17791250]

>>17789921
Not saying that the book is wrong. But I can't help but imagine how liberals(90% of the people who gave this book good reviews) would feel if it was written by a devoult catholic. Sure, if they already agreed with the arguments in the book before reading it, then perhaps the reaction wouldn't be too bad. But I assume that's not the case for the vast majority of its readers.

[Anonymous No.17791265]

>>17789921
I will personally swim to that island with a baseball bat and traumatize those kids for you, just give me the coordinates. Fuckers gotta learn early that life ain't easy being cheesy.

[Anonymous No.17791275]

>>17791246
Not him but you just have to imagine if there's any situation in which you'd feel a strong urge to punish.

[Anonymous No.17791293]

>>17791218
>you'll be okay with me fucking children if I say feminists don't like it

[Anonymous No.17791295]

>>17791275
Preying on children is obviously wrong and we should prevent it, but when someone starts to wax on about how they want to peel fingernails or hang people from rafters, I get suspicious

[Anonymous No.17791299]

>>17790907
Imagine a utility monster but for sexual appetites. Regardless of ability, it is not that they seek out exclusively ages under traditional ages of consent but moreso that they do not refuse sexual interactions with people in that sphere

[Anonymous No.17791301]

>>17791249
here and there yes, but not as a predominant narrative. All noble societies in greek, romans and medieval times had sex with minors and it was culturally accepted. Especially among elites.

[Anonymous No.17791328]

>>17791295
This post is the first mention of any form of torture in this thread.

As yourself why that is.

[Anonymous No.17791336]

>>17791328
Because i'm being hyperbolic for effect. He did mention killing and gassing.

[Anonymous No.17791355]

>>17791295
I just remembered what Jordan Peterson said about imagining yourself in a horrifying situation. Maybe that's where this urge to punish comes from, at least for some.
I agree though that some people use the excuse of ''fighting for good'' to perform evil acts.
But I also know the problem intellectuals have with their lack of personal experience, which influences their philosophy.

[Anonymous No.17791359]

>>17791336
Gapital punishment is distinct from torture.

You associate strong moral instinct with venal cruelty. Who put that in your head?

[Anonymous No.17791368]

>>17791295
No one is talking about torture, but someone who does this kind of harm to children does not have a place in the world. Their very existence is wretched and tainted. Putting them to death would be merciful.

[Anonymous No.17791428]

>>17791359
His unprompted announcement about how he strongly desires to gas people just reminds me of the thinly veiled aggression that I frequently see coming from radical lefties on social media, and it bothers me.

[Anonymous No.17791459]

>>17791368
I agree that preying on children is vile, but I really think we need to distinguish between intentionally predatory behavior and something like >>17790514 , which in my mind is just another way to demonize and pile hatred on men

[Anonymous No.17791464]

>>17791368
thats
like your opinion dude

[Anonymous No.17791500]

>>17789921
well that goes without saying really, marrying 12 years old was perfectly acceptable for hundreds upon hundreds of years, no shit it doesn't destroy a child mind

[Anonymous No.17791507]

>>17791246
Nice quote but if you have no incentive to punish some categories of wrongdoers, like the particularly violent/unrepenent/rapacious you’re essentially disregarding the suffering of the victim, which is like really uncool bro

tl;dr good job reading things but now try thinking about things ;)

[Anonymous No.17791519]

>>17790299
stigmatizing pedophilia is a recent invention retard

[Anonymous No.17791543]

>>17791507
the whole thread is a discussion on the nature of this suffering, but you just skip ahead and take all current norms as a foregone conclusion and proceed to illustrate your strong desire to punish.

[Anonymous No.17791599]

>>17789921
hi, foucault.

[Anonymous No.17791619]

>>17791543
wasn’t responding to the whole thread I was responding to you.
Also no: I simply have a strong desire to punish people who hurt the defenseless, all sophistry notwithstanding.

[Anonymous No.17791625]

>Our ancestors did it therefore there’s nothing wrong with it
Lol

[Anonymous No.17791647]

>>17789921
It’s telling that the only arguments that pedos have is either calling normal people moralfags or going >Well our ancestors did it therefore there was nothing wrong with it!

[Anonymous No.17791655]

>>17789921
It’s telling that the only arguments that pedos have is either calling normal people moralfags or going

>Well our ancestors did it therefore there was nothing wrong with it!

[Anonymous No.17791681]

>>17791655
Can you explain to me why having sex with a person of 17 years and 364 days is wrong when puberty begins at 12?

[Anonymous No.17791688]

>>17791519
Every civilization has detrimental and anti-natural constructs that are not made good or functional just because they've been around for very long. Just because the ancient romans had man-boy love that doesn't make it good, natural or decent.

[Anonymous No.17791725]

>>17791688
just like anti-pedo hysteria isnt natural or good. It actually harms children. Read op's book.

[Anonymous No.17791730]

>>17791681
Because the law is a communally derived construct meant to address the problem of child abuse generally. It’s inconsistencies are representative more so of the vastness and imperfection of a system of laws, not the moral principles they represent

[Anonymous No.17791754]

>>17791681
>muh 17 years and 364 days
Age of consent is usually 16/17 years old so no one cares, I’m talking about people who have sex with children and young teens retard.

[Anonymous No.17791764]

>>17791754
He knows, he’s just feigning stupidity to keep this retarded thread goinf

[Anonymous No.17791765]

>>17790231
I know a guy who was sexually abused as a child by a friend of his dad. I think the dad permitted the abuse... oops, I meant knew,* he killed himself a couple years ago.

[Anonymous No.17791769]

>>17791725
>disapproval of the exploitation of children whose minds are not yet fully formed, have an extremely one dimensional understanding of the world and do not understand the implications and consequences of sex by people who know their actions are unethical and immoral and are using them just for sexual self-satisfaction
>natural and good

[Anonymous No.17791787]

>>17791769
you're fighting with shadows, at least skim the op's book you hysteric moralfag

[Anonymous No.17791791]

>disapproval of the exploitation of children whose minds are not yet fully formed, have an extremely one dimensional understanding of the world and do not understand the implications and consequences of sex by people who know their actions are unethical and immoral and are using them just for sexual self-satisfaction
>not natural and good

[Anonymous No.17791793]

>>17791730
Then perhaps we should acknowledge that rigid legal systems do not map well onto nuanced realities, and refrain from eagerly leaping at opportunities to punish people for minor or even mistaken transgressions against that rigid system.

There is a world of difference between someone intentionally preying on children, and someone having sex with a 17.9 year old with a fake ID, but some would relish the opportunity to exclaim "all pedophiles should be gassed".

[Anonymous No.17791810]

>>17791793
Yeah that's why we have Romeo and Juliet laws. We also don't have a rigid legal system as punishments are given by Judges, who interpret the law and can be quite lenient or extremely strict.

[Anonymous No.17791812]

>>17791791
nice freudian slip, closeted pedo

[Anonymous No.17791818]

>>17791725
>having a concept of pedophilia and sex abuse allows children to know they were sexually abused and they get traumatized bro, just remove that concept altogether and let me fuck kids bro, then they won't suffer at all

[Anonymous No.17791829]

>>17791812
Greentext synthax is a cancer, coupled with that sentence being the most complicated shit in the world

[Anonymous No.17791840]

>>17791793
>rigid legal systems do not map well onto nuanced realities, and refrain from eagerly leaping at opportunities to punish people for minor or even mistaken transgressions against that rigid system.
You can acknowledge it, but it wouldn’t be wise to act on it as even with this supposedly oppressive system there are still those depraved enough to act against it in their own self interest to the ends of harming others, and there is no reason to think breaking down these systems would somehow remedy that.

Taking the idea that a person saying all pedophiles should be gassed as meant towards the 17.99 year olds your talking about is as disengenous as advocating for a breakdown of the system without acknowledging the very real predators waiting in society currently, so I don’t even know how you think what you’re saying warrants a response, like, how could any of this have any bearing on reality when it is crafted in entirely unreal cirimstances

[Anonymous No.17791841]

>>17791829
I feel you, happens to me from time to time

[Anonymous No.17791863]

>>17791840
Fair points anon. I'm not advocating to break down the system, just trying to think and discuss and push things to logical extremes.

[Anonymous No.17791868]

>>17791863
alright, whatever

[Anonymous No.17791880]

>>17789921
Kids don't have to be traumatized for us to execute pedophiles publicly.

[Anonymous No.17791901]

I disavow all forms of violence but if anyone deserves a horrific painful death it is the author of this book

[Anonymous No.17791909]

>>17791880
We should execute pedos and pedo apologists desu

[Anonymous No.17791914]

>>17790231
You should die

[Anonymous No.17791922]

>>17790231
My friend from high school was raped by his babysitter for several years before his parents found out and killed himself a few years back.
Fuck you

[Anonymous No.17791928]

>>17790271
>>17790299
>>17790574
>>17791159
>>17791914
you prove my point, literal NPCS

[Anonymous No.17791967]

>>17791928
Maybe because civilization has this issue solved as settled science, in ethics, morality, evolutionary psychology and whatever else. Any attempt to argue against this settlement is just semantics, sophistry and mental gymnastics.

[Anonymous No.17791975]

>>17791928
No
There is mountains of evidence that raping children is detrimental to their wellbeing mentally and physically.
Child rape victims are significantly more likely to develop digestive issues later on in life.
Kys you fucking pedo

[Anonymous No.17791980]

>>17791922
no one denies trauma. The book only says that its caused by predominant narrative and not the act itself. Anti-pedo hysteria gave your friend trauma and made her/him kys

[Anonymous No.17791985]

>>17791967
>JUST TRUST THE SCIENCE
Oh boy

[Anonymous No.17791991]

>>17791975
>>17791967
read>>17791980

[Anonymous No.17792001]

>>17791980
The author doesn't write on the subject anymore and was always more involved in research on memory.

[Anonymous No.17792024]

>>17791980
This retarded argument has been responded to a million times in this shit thread already.

>this one heinous crime being considered heinous by society is what makes children traumatized by suffering a heinous crime
a retarded argument through and through, child psychologists and parents don't go barging in their abused children, shaking them by the shoulders and fear mongering that they were molested, and yet the children are invariably going to achieve sentience of what happened to them and its implications eventually.

See: >>17790830

[Anonymous No.17792068]

>>17792001
not an argument
>>17792024
straw man of the position, no one is saying that its traumatic because other people exaggerate. Its traumatic because it tells those people that what happened was very bad. It is confirmed by the abused children themselves, jsut read the book.

[Anonymous No.17792092]

in ancient greece, if someone was raped, even as a child, he would lose his citizenship rights.
When peoole accused socrates of corrupting the youth, they were also implying that

[Anonymous No.17792098]

>>17792068
>what happened was very bad.
It was, plain and simple. There is no exaggeration, anything else is an attempt to deny reality itself. A child suffered a terrible crime, of a nature that they are not capable to understand, because sex is outside of the scope of what a child should be exposed to.

There is no divorce between a heinous crime being committed and its consequences to the victim, unless the victim dies. Academics can do all the mental somersaults they want. This is plan old reality.

[Anonymous No.17792105]

>>17791980
That’s such bullshit, you faggot. The violation of someone’s body is traumatizing.
I hope you get raped by a pack of niggers.

[Anonymous No.17792106]

>>17791218
Plato and Aristotle would like to have a word with you.

[Anonymous No.17792109]

>>17791985
Yes.

[Anonymous No.17792114]

>>17792098
>A child suffered a terrible crime, of a nature that they are not capable to understand
How is it a terrible crime if he isn't aware that he has been harmed?

[Anonymous No.17792116]

>The usual mistake is to believe that sexual activity, especially for children, is so alarming and dangerous that participants need to have an absolute, total awareness of every conceivable ramification of taking part before they can be said to give valid consent. What there most definitely needs to be, is the child's willingness to take part in the activity in question; whatever social or legal rules are operated, they must not be such as to allow unwilling children to be subjected to sexual acts. But there is no need whatever for a child to know 'the consequences' of engaging in harmless sex play, simply because it is exactly that: harmless.

>Sex, especially the non-penetrative sex play to which child-adult activity is almost entirely confined in the case of younger children (i.e. those children of whom it can most readily be said that 'They don't know what they are doing'), is not in itself remotely dangerous – unlike playing in a busy road. Nor do children need firm ideas of what a particular new experience will be like, any more than do adults trying, say, '69' for the first time: the activity may prove more, or less, exciting than they suppose, but as it is completely harmless there is no reason why it cannot be safely explored.

>It will of course be pointed out that children who enter a sexual relationship blissfully and innocently unaware of sexual shame and guilt, could be in for a rude awakening when a relationship is discovered. This leaves a question. Should we protect children from sex (to avoid the consequences of the guilt and social retribution arising from it) or, alternatively, should we make the reduction of guilt a priority? Knowing the hideous consequences of guilt, and the harmlessness of sex per se, I myself don't find it a particularly difficult question to answer.

>In a nutshell, there is no reason why the same criteria of 'consent' that we would apply to a young adult signing on for a nine-year term in the Army, or for a lifelong commitment in marriage, should operate at all: such criteria, which hang on mature judgement, are not necessary for the protection of the child's best interests. Indeed, they positively harm those interests by artificially restricting the child's development.

>The question, then, is not whether children are mature enough to consent – the issues of 'maturity' and 'consent' (in the sense of willingness based on informed deliberation) together constitute a gigantic pair of red herrings – but whether we can ensure that children are willing participants in a particular act
Was he right?

[Anonymous No.17792118]

>>17792114
Jewish hands typed this

[Anonymous No.17792122]

>>17792098
>>17792105
well, rape is not bad in itself. Theres a lot of antrophological data on it. But you NPC would rationalize it anyway. Keep seething lol

[Anonymous No.17792132]

>>17792118
Mutt hands typed this

[Anonymous No.17792140]

>>17792114
>how is it bad if the extremely limited scope of a mind in development can not yet understand it? Checkmate

>>17792122
>forced interactions that can not be consented to or terminated and violate another person's physical integrity are not bad in themselves, just look at the data

[Ray Romano, Proud Black Man No.17792141]

>>17789921
so wait, if children were raised on a place that wasn't like human reality at all, and where people with massive power advantages over them didn't prey upon them at all, then something something things would be gud?
Fuck, you haven't sold this book well at all. That's mega-retarded.

[Anonymous No.17792142]

>>17792024
Not either of them but almost everyone I've met who thinks of themselves as a "helper" in CSA cases has been mad as fuck when it's suggested by a victim they might not need their help. I've even seen cases where the "helpers" have berated child victims for not acknowledging the trauma the helpers' narrative says the child must go through; and I'll add this was much more pressure and more vicious than they had said to the perpetrator. It's a role which can lead to an "all or nothing" mindset which blinds people to the actual good vs harm they are doing. Children who reject the concomitant role of "victim" can be perceived as undermining the "helper" by the helper, sometimes moreso than the perpetrator.
Incidentally, this is why Qanon conspiracists and other groups that see hidden child sex rings are so vicious to people who try to talk them down. Most rationally involved people know child sex abuse happens, and think it should be stopped, but they find it hard to believe fighting aliens is a good way to do that. The conspiracy fans see rejecting the aliens part as a disinclination to fight CSA. They really believe they are the people doing that best on the planet. They are not going to treat a victim of child sex trafficking who says it's not like Qanon says with sympathy, because the child rejecting the narrative makes them an enemy of the cause.

[Anonymous No.17792144]

>>17792132
Yeah, that’s what I thought Moshe
100% northern european

[Anonymous No.17792145]

>>17790238
So this is what /pol/ means by the redpill.
Now I understand the obsession.

[Anonymous No.17792150]

>>17792140
>>forced interactions that can not be consented to or terminated and violate another person's physical integrity are not bad in themselves, just look at the data
read "It's Only a Penis": Rape, Feminism, and Difference"

[Anonymous No.17792184]

>>17792122
You can't measure goodness or badness, anon. The statement "rape is bad" is not one that can be disproven by any amount of data.

[Anonymous No.17792186]

>>17790324
>Crossdressers
>Trans dances where police were just vibing
>sex positivity
I dunno. Aside from >>17790238 that whole thing, seems pretty based to me. What else did we have? Rampant homosexuality? Actual science being taught in schools?

[Anonymous No.17792237]

>>17790324
>>17790238
And then one day for no reason at all people voted Hitler into Power.

[Anonymous No.17792257]

>>17792116
Perhaps, but it's kind of dodging the whole reality of pedophilia, which is almost never about an adult innocently introducing a child to sexuality with full consideration of the child's willingness and with no physical or psychological harm whatsoever.
His whole argument seems straight out of the 60s in its naivety. Ensuring sex with children is as much a harmless activity of self-exploration as he describes it (if it is even possible) can only be a monumental headache for considerate and responsible adults. Which is the issue: adults for engage in this kind of behavior are typically not that considerate and responsible towards the children they subject their desire to. Back to square one and the problem of pedophilia is exactly as serious and grim as it was at first. Pedophilia is not about sex, it's about control, power and trust. There is a serious case to be made that adult who engage in sex with children are abusing all three. Why then trust that they will be able to respect the "child's willingness"?

In fact his own comparison with the Army enlisting is telling, it is immoral how underinformed young enlisted often are about what they are getting into (when they are not willfully deceived by army recruiters). The same argument can often be made (though with much lesser strength and seriousness) for marriage. The conclusion from his own reasoning might just as well be: we should educate young adults more about what enlistment and marriage mean, not "pedophilia in itself is not such a big deal".

[Anonymous No.17792261]

>>17792024
>child psychologists and parents don't go barging in their abused children, shaking them by the shoulders and fear mongering that they were molested,
They literally do, though. Do you want me to post examples of teenage girls who were held in jail (without fifth and sixth amendment rights, since those only apply to arrested suspects, not people being held in confinement "for their own protection") until they testified against their lovers? It's happened a couple of times that I know of.

[Anonymous No.17792267]

>>17792257
*adults who

[Anonymous No.17792300]

>>17792261
Constitutional rights apply to everyone, retard. And anecdotal evidence from specific cases of some genius who decided to commit statutory rape and then bemoan that the law had a problem with that isn't going to change fundamental realities of crime and its consequences.

Teenage girls often want to fuck with older men only to find it cringy as they become adult women, which goes to show that even teenagers have some extent to which the sexual experience and its consequences or undertones escape their grasp

[Anonymous No.17792319]

Only two paths, Jesus' path or Muhammad's path.

Jesus:
Matthew 18:6 - But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

Muhammad:
Sahih Bukhari , 62:88
"The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death)"

[Anonymous No.17792322]

>>17792142
>The extremely limited and one dimensional understanding that a child's still developing mind has of a situation entirely external to their scope of experiences is the best judge of what happened to them when they were sexually abused by an adult who decided to commit acts they know for a fact are immoral entirely for self-indulgence

[Anonymous No.17792326]

>>17792319
wtf, so Islam was based all along????

[Anonymous No.17792350]

>>17790682
As if the average pedo has any intention to marry.

[Anonymous No.17792366]

>>17792116
In a sane society he would be rightfully convicted of treason and sentenced to its traditional punishment.

[Anonymous No.17792368]

>>17792257
>it's kind of dodging the whole reality of pedophilia, which is almost never about an adult innocently introducing a child to sexuality with full consideration of the child's willingness and with no physical or psychological harm whatsoever.
Is it, though? Here's another quote about that:
>So far, I have related facts largely about the overall known pattern of sexual acts between adults and children. Within this pattern, there is a crucial distinction to be made between those adults who actually prefer children as sexual partners and those who do not. There is reason to believe that, characteristically, the aggressive, 'sexist' use of girls as sex objects is attributable very largely to men with a predominantly ordinary, adult heterosexual orientation. These offenders tend to have a high level of criminality in non-sexual areas. They are often drunk at the time of the offence and simply use the child as an available, though to them inferior, substitute for the adult partner they would prefer. By no means all of the non-aggressive offenders prefer children either: they include a lot of men under stress when their marriage has broken up, and drink plays a large part in their offences too – usually followed by a 'hangover' which includes intense feelings of guilt. 8

>I do not mean to suggest that those who have a sexual preference for children are thus automatically to be considered a better class of offender. There is no reason to suppose that anyone's sexual orientation per se has any intrinsic connection with her or his merit as a human being. But there is reason to suppose that many of those who prefer children want to relate well to them, in a way that does not apply to those for whom they are mere substitutes. Those who prefer children not surprisingly like to spend a lot of time in their company; they like to know them, and be friendly.

>Just as 'straight' men go to considerable pains to make a good impression on their would-be sexual partners (even in our sexist society, rape is not the norm), so do many paedophiles. Finding that their sexual preference is for children, they also come to like and love them – an affectional response grows out of the erotic one. D.J. West has noted this. Writing of paedophiles he says:

>>17792257
>His whole argument seems straight out of the 60s in its naivety.
Well, yeah, it was first published in like 1976 or some shit. Was he wrong, though?

>The conclusion from his own reasoning might just as well be: we should educate young adults more about what enlistment and marriage mean, not "pedophilia in itself is not such a big deal".
I agree with you to some extent, but I think the right balance is somewhere between the current stances on marriage or enlistment on the one hand, and sex on the other. A higher degree of knowledge is required to consent to something that will last years or even a lifetime than for something that will only last until you decide you're done with it.

[Anonymous No.17792389]

>>17792319
I love Jesus so much bros.

>>17792326

[Anonymous No.17792394]

>>17792322
>the kid has no mind of its own, we know best for it
The problem with that "helpful" mantra is it's often what has just happened to the kid with the perpetrator, and the helper that pursues it to gratify their own need to feel necessary is actively abusing a CSA victim for their own ends. Unsurprisingly, kids who do know their own minds and who saw through the perpetrator's logic resent those helpers and rightfully label those experiences of "help" as traumatic.

[Anonymous No.17792395]

>>17791040
Stop reddit spacing your dumb normalfag. If you have to, get a trauma from this reply so you don't do it again.

[Anonymous No.17792407]

>>17792300
>Constitutional rights apply to everyone, retard
Your constitutional right against self incrimination doesn't prevent you from being forcefully compelled to incriminate someone else. Likewise, your constitutional right to a fair and speedy trial doesn't apply if you haven't been accused of anything. There are laws that allow women to be jailed indefinitely in sexual and domestic abuse cases, to keep women from pressing charges against abusive boyfriends and then going back to him and saying "oh, no, he's a perfect angel, he'd never hurt a fly," when the actual court date comes around.

Also, to be clear, I'm talking about 16 and 17 year old girls with 19 and 20 year old boyfriends here, not 40 year old creepers.

[Anonymous No.17792417]

>>17792395
no and no
fuck you

[Anonymous No.17792431]

>>17792417
Damn It's already working

[Anonymous No.17792432]

>>17792350
This is really ultimately the problem. Things would be okay and there would be no issue if pedos didn't treat kids like sex toys to pump and dump.

[Anonymous No.17792444]

>>17792394
>what if the child consents tho
>people trying to help those children are aktchually psychologically abusing the children out of desire for psychological satisfaction, but the dude sexually and physically abusing the child to achieve their own physical self-satisfaction dindu nuffin

[Anonymous No.17792445]

>>17792142
this reminds of those threads online where a woman will say something offhand like 'yeah my husband creampied me even though I said I didn't want to have any more kids but it didn't take so w/e' and someone will hysterically reply 'omg I'm so sorry that happened to you sweetie! You were raped and are suffering from trauma you haven't processed yet, please divorce him and get therapy <33!'

[Anonymous No.17792471]

>>17792432
Speaking from experience here, it's the kids who grow up and move on, not the adults. It's tough every time.

[Anonymous No.17792514]

>>17792368
Your second extract is interesting, but it doesn't really address my objection. It shows the author is aware that a good deal of pedophilic behavior is inherently maladaptive and violent. This might be even the majority of it. So it seems is argument is only about the minority of pedophile who not only want the good of the children the engage with, not only are genuinely attracted to children, but for whom this attraction does not devolve in attempts to control, violate or use the child as an object.

I can believe that such a minority exists but then, how are you going to know them apart from the others? How are you ensure that their interactions with children stay focused on the children's good? Who will accept to let their children to be courted by an adult (I'm excluding from the "considerate minority" the case of parents having sex with their kids, which is also a big part of the issue, because it adds incest on top of pedophilia and that can't be healthy)? You also have to ask, if a young child is not willing to engage in a given act, will they readily manifest it to the adult? Or will they be too confused, to intimidated, too shy to do so? At what age do you accept to make that gamble possible? 11? 9? 7?
At best you end up with a practically intractable problem where ignorance is almost guaranteed yet morally indefensible.

The only good I see in his argument is that by characterizing all pedos as monsters we give them an incentive to hide instead of seeking help in controlling their impulses. Being hidden and reviled can only take a toll on one's mental health, which makes them more likely to have sex with children in increasingly violent ways.
But that argument is compatible with forbidding pedosexuality altogether. All in all while I can get behind the distinction I don't see a compelling reason to tolerate pedophilia even in those "mild cases". I can see why a nuanced approach towards people with pedophilic urges might actually reduce pedophilic abuse though.

Mind that I'm talking about pedophilia and not ephebophilia here. The same argument apply to ephebophilia but they are less strong.

>A higher degree of knowledge is required to consent to something that will last years or even a lifetime than for something that will only last until you decide you're done with it.
True, but childhood experiences are formative and often produce long-lasting consequences.

[Anonymous No.17792542]

>>17791067
Interesting, thanks for the rec if you're still here. It would be fun to put things out there of real historical value that nobody else cares about because they're not trendy with the mainstream. Do you have experience with them?

[Anonymous No.17792548]

>>17790299
>It’s innate human physiological processes that shape my thoughts and opinions, not decades worth of social conditioning!

[Anonymous No.17792553]

>>17792407
>forcefully compelled to incriminate someone else
There is not a law that forces anyone to say anything specific against another person in court. If there are lawmakers jumping around the constitution and holding girls or women in prison, they still can not change the reality that they can say whatever they prefer in court when the actual trial comes. Being held against your will is also against the 4th but whatever.

More palatable, cleansed cases such as the one you are envisioning are all left up to the age of consent in whatever state they are happening in. If the girl consents and her age is allowed then there's that.

[Anonymous No.17792569]

>>17792548
Do you know what they do to pedos in prison?

Keep your nose clean.

[Anonymous No.17792570]

>>17792548
These social constructs don't come from thin air, they are created by minds obeying thousands of years of honed instinct.

[Anonymous No.17792590]

>>17792514
Btw, someone in another thread made my point better than I did:
17788756
The guy was apparently diddled as a kid (his words) wasn't traumatized by it, but he sums up very well why it's dangerous to generalize from such experiences. The TL;DR is that
>he wasn't traumatized by it
is an a posteriori argument, you can only use it years after the facts, when the potential damage (if damage there is to be) is already done.

[Anonymous No.17792600]

>>17792590
Sorry
>>17788756

[Anonymous No.17792616]

>>17792569
I'd pull an ariel castro
Man that guy had life good

[Anonymous No.17792676]

>>17792553
>There is not a law that forces anyone to say anything specific against another person in court.

Testimony is compelled by the court itself, using the power granted it by the constitution.

The court can force you to appear with a subpoena, then force you to testify by calling you as a witness, then force you to tell the truth by making you testify under oath. If you refuse at any step of the process you can be jailed indefinitely. The judge and his bailiffs can, if they see fit, keep you locked up for the rest of your natural life if you don't loosen your tongue on command.

>>17792553
>If there are lawmakers jumping around the constitution and holding girls or women in prison
I have no idea what he's talking about there and I assume he's completely delusional. Maybe he 'learned' that in some white privilege class.

Men accused of abusing women are the ones who go to jail. Not the other way around. Look up Title IV of the VAWA. That's enthusiastically enforced by every court in America.

[Anonymous No.17792757]

>>17792514
I think it does address your point: for most pedophiles, it's not about exerting control over the child, it's about about affection and exploration and enjoying the child's enjoyment. You're concerned about pedophiles inflicting their adult masculine sexuality on children, but when this happens, it's actually more often than not teleiophiles using them as an inferior substitute to an adult.

I think it's important to make the distinction between violent rape and loving, mutually beneficial relationships. No one is going to argue in favor of the former, and it's generally not all the difficult to tell the difference between the two once you've accepted that there is one.

>>17792514
>True, but childhood experiences are formative and often produce long-lasting consequences.
True, but there are also many traumatic childhood experiences *caused* by the demonization of pedophilia, not to mention positive experiences prevented. There's little to no good evidence that existing laws actually have any net benefit, while there's plenty of examples of where they've actively caused harm. Go ahead and look up how many minors are on the sex offenders registry and tell me that that's a good thing.

[Anonymous No.17792788]

>>17792141
human reality was anti gay for thousands of years

until it wasnt

[I hate women No.17792830]

>>17791980
keyed

[Anonymous No.17792869]

>>17792676
That is all part of the legal process we all know and expect, the fact of the matter is that we have laws to know what to do in those cases, and the fact of the matter is that the law determines what is the age of consent, and if you decided to have sex with someone below said age and you are being trialed for it, the truth will come out and you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

The law can't force you to say anything in specific, not even the truth, as perjury is committed all the time. But if a crime was committed, and someone is being trialed for that crime, and the truth comes out, it seems like a logical conclusion of several conscious actions taken at one's own volition.

[Anonymous No.17792894]

>>17790635
/Thread

So many retards misunderstand this book. Her other major topic of study is always ignored too.

Read her book on alien abductions and the dangers of "recovered memories"

[Anonymous No.17792901]

>>17789921
Yawn. Freud had discovered that trauma is symbolic even before the 1900's.

[Ray Romano, Proud Black Man No.17792909]

>>17792894
I have always argued that the trauma inflicted on children who experience sexual abuse is more akin to confusion than shock or pain.

[Anonymous No.17792958]

>>17792909
There's been a fairly significant amount of research into the level of cognitive ability required to give informed consent to sex, in the context of developmentally disabled adults. You should have a look. I can offer some suggestions if you'd like.

[Anonymous No.17792982]

>>17792958
Not him, but I'm curious.

[Anonymous No.17793075]

>>17792757
Well the inherent thing about a pedophile is that once the child hits puberty and beyond they stop being attractive to the pedo.

[Anonymous No.17793118]

>>17792145
/pol/ is 50% retards and 50% damaged truth-seekers. These two things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

[Anonymous No.17793133]

>>17792894
>>17792909
>>17792958
>>17792982
Where you're going you won't need spurious academic apologia.

[Anonymous No.17793146]

>>17792757
>True, but there are also many traumatic childhood experiences *caused* by the demonization of pedophilia
This is a fair point, demonization is rarely useful anyway since it doesn't prevent anything, it only make whatever happens much more difficult to deal with. If this is the main point of the book it's worth considering, with caution.

The question of how many pedophilic behavior are due to violence, frustration, etc. and how many to genuine love or attraction is still open. Given how frequent child abuse turns out to be when you look closer I wouldn't bet that the latter so much outweights the former. Which begs the question: in which context can the adult-child sexual interaction be made safe and loving and sheltered from abuse? This is the big issue, I'm not sure the steps taken to make this context available in our societies are worth it versus simply detecting and supporting pedophiles before they can act. There's a limit to both approaches though, for better or worse people are just going to do whatever they please in private for the most part.
>There's little to no good evidence that existing laws actually have any net benefit
I can agree with that, it's not clear the way we do things currently helps catch dangerous pedophiles, and it certainly doesn't help other pedophiles cope with their urges.

>>17792757
>I think it's important to make the distinction between violent rape and loving, mutually beneficial relationships.
I agree, but I don't think it is as black and white, namely, many relationships that appear loving on the adult side might have bad consequences latter on. I'm not sure the gamble is worth it, although better ways to monitor this could help.

[Anonymous No.17793186]

>>17792982
https://doi.org/10.1300/J151v01n03_02

https://doi.org/10.1007/BF01102174

>>17793075
See >>17792471

[Anonymous No.17793202]

Diddling kids is bad. End of discussion. Trying to justify it in any way is just pure evil. Although pedo apologists typically argue that evil doesn't exist and morality is subjective.
Disagree with me? I'll bash your fucking face in faggot how about that.

[Anonymous No.17793220]

>>17790256
Best post in the thread to be quite honest.

[Anonymous No.17793243]

>>17793202
>Disagree with me? I'll bash your fucking face in faggot how about that.
It was at this point the tenured sociology professor wished he had argued for an age of consent, but he himself had petitioned against those things last week!

[Anonymous No.17793248]

>>17793202
These people simply cannot conceive of a world where they're not increasing in social power. They are licking their chops for the day jews pass them the whip they loaned to cross dressers. They believe this to be inevitable destinty.

[Anonymous No.17793466]

>>17789921
>>17790231
>>17790247

Why would a child need to have sex in the first place?
I will agree that the definition of adult and child are quite brittle, that's why we have the notion of youth.
Pedophilia is bad insofar, it is neither dirty nor shameful, but simply inadequate. Why would an adult have sex with a child when he could have sex with other adults?
Not the notion of pedophilia is wrong but the asumption from which pedophilia is argued. There are no other people but pedophiles arguing for pedophilia, it is in no one elses interest to argue for such, and as such the argument for pedophilia is biased.

If you asked a child, who felt sex was just a natural act, then the child would most likely at some point first figure out that sex is pleasuring and then that the purpose of sex is to have children, the child would find itself overwhelmed with having a child, which is the implication of sex in a natural setting, and would see that a child or a youth cannot have sex, with anyone, for having sex does yield children and a child or youth is unable to care for a child themselves, because a child or youth is still reliant on someone else, is child or youth by the circumstance that they are not adults.

Outliers where children are able to have such maturity and care are entirely impossible, have again a wrong asumption from which to define ability or maturity, or are biased. Those which are neither would indeed prove that for those cases, those miniscule impossibility where the term of child, someone not fully developed, thus implied vulnerable and dependent, is none of those things would not be a child at all, and it would then not be pedophilia.

This is all the moral argument and frankly speaking the same language as these people disgusts me, I am biased in my dislike of them--the same way they are biased in their opinions: from which following, that if you speak the language of one morality, the morality advocating for pedophilia being not illegal, you can only negate their terms and deny their notions while arguing with them, speaking the same language; introducing one entirely different notion would then break their morality and they would accuse you of being dishonest in a way: you cannot argue with pedophiles at all or in their language, if you do you just become a not-pedophile or anti-pedophile, you define yourself by the term and notion of pedophile--by denying it.

Arguing biologically against pedophilia or from a different morality would be speaking a different language and incompatible with the notion of an argument at all, stemming from the dissonance of language; impression and expression, such 'arguments' from two languages, e.g. two moralities, would then just be criticism, a kind of war where you can take sides.
One party perishes, one is destroyed.

I believe pedophilia is wrong, I do not need to explain why it is. This is the same as the argument against solipsism.

[Anonymous No.17793498]

>>17793146
>If this is the main point of the book it's worth considering, with caution
The book is very much about sexual liberation of children, and the author himself would be the first to admit that his views have changed since it was written 40+ years ago, but he does make some compelling arguments. You can find the complete text at https://www.ipce.info/host/radicase/index.htm if you'd like to give it a read.

>The question of how many pedophilic behavior are due to violence, frustration, etc. and how many to genuine love or attraction is still open. Given how frequent child abuse turns out to be when you look closer I wouldn't bet that the latter so much outweights the former.
I would suggest that the laws are more likely to prevent nonabusive relationships because those people are more likely to be conscientious, law abiding citizens. Meanwhile, laws don't really do a great job of preventing deranged and intoxicated people from committing crimes. I would posit that relaxing age of consent laws would result in a marked increase in nonabusive instances of adult/minor sexual relations with little to no increase in sexual abuse.

>not clear the way we do things currently helps catch dangerous pedophiles, and it certainly doesn't help other pedophiles cope with their urges.
Please note that there is a difference between a pedophile (an adult with a sexual preference for prepubescents) and a child abusers. Pedophiles are actually underrepresented among convicted child abusers compared to the general population.

[Anonymous No.17793634]

>>17791001
youtube.com/watch?v=tsuh4x9U3cw

[Anonymous No.17793726]

>>17790231
Yes. Now if you would be so kind as too jump off a bridge

[Anonymous No.17793732]

>>17790452
There's scientific evidence that I could btfo you with one hand tied behind my back

[Anonymous No.17793737]

>>17793466
>and then that the purpose of sex is to have children
This is true for many animals, but humans have evolved to use sex as a primary mechanism of the social bonding that allows us to civilizations in a way that no other mammal can. Look at dogs and horses: females go into heat, get bred, and then that's it for a few months until it's time to do it again. Apart from horny adolescents, males don't typically have sex until they come across a female in heat. Now, look at humans: there's no external sign that females are currently fertile, and pretty much everyone gets horny all the time.

There's a lot of other adaptive differences between human and animal genitalia as well. Humans don't have penis bones the way other mammals do; they increase the chance of successful reproduction but make sex uncomfortable. Humans have the spade-shaped penis head that chimps do, that's theorized to have evolved to scrape the semen of competitors out of the vagina, but then we went and evolved foreskins that completely broke that functionality. Why, especially when women often prefer the feeling of circumcized men? Because it reduces chafing in extended sexual encounters; it's there to make orgies more enjoyable. We are a degenerate species, evolved to have sex often and children seldom.

[Anonymous No.17793833]

>>17793737
>Now, look at humans: there's no external sign that females are currently fertile, and pretty much everyone gets horny all the time.
What do you think secondary sexual characteristics like permanently swollen breasts, wide hips, large asses, blushing and other facial signs are for?
>Humans have the spade-shaped penis head that chimps do, that's theorized to have evolved to scrape the semen of competitors out of the vagina, but then we went and evolved foreskins that completely broke that functionality. Why, especially when women often prefer the feeling of circumcized men?
We already had forskins you fucking retard. Chimps have them. It's protects the glands which lubricants the penis, resulting in something that directly contradicts your Kellogg understanding of sex. Jesus Christ of all the stupid posts in this thread this one is the worst. We didn't evolve to have orgies, otherwise you'd see a much greater spermicidal capacity of our semen, maybe a clogging mechanism like ducks. Fuck your an idiot.

[Anonymous No.17793936]

>>17789921
Pedophiles get the rope

[Anonymous No.17793941]

>>17793936
Pedophile here - I'll never get the rope, in fact, I have a gf (legal loli) whom Ill breed and create many sons and daughters with :) and pass on my pedo genes :)

[Anonymous No.17793970]

>>17793833
>What do you think secondary sexual characteristics like permanently swollen breasts, wide hips, large asses, blushing and other facial signs are for?
Those are general signs of fecundity, not the same as estrus. There's a difference between "this female is of reproductive age," and "this female is currently ovulating, fuck her now for maximal chance of reproductive success."

>We already had forskins you fucking retard. Chimps have them.
Chimps have a prepuce that typically can't fully cover the glans even when flaccid, and it's pulled tight when the penis is erect. It doesn't perform the same function as the human foreskin.

[Anonymous No.17794417]

>>17789921
They might also freely engage in murder without shame.

[Anonymous No.17794434]

>>17790324
what book is this from?

[Anonymous No.17794439]

>>17790529
I will bang nineteen year olds all I want

[Anonymous No.17794452]

>>17794439
Rather, you'll bang them to the extent they'll agree to it which, considering the place we are posting right now, might not be much.

[Anonymous No.17794460]

>>17794452
undeniable truth I’ll give you that

[Anonymous No.17794474]

>>17794460
At least you didn't answer by "I don't care about their agreement" so 4chan autistry has not entirely swallowed you.

[Anonymous No.17794490]

>>17794474
no I’m pretty normie for 4chan standards but I’m definitely not going to be banging any nineteen year olds anytime soon, all the same I wouldn’t balk at the opportunity

[Anonymous No.17795246]

>>17790259

Best post.

[Anonymous No.17795904]

>>17793634
Poor dudes

[Anonymous No.17795931]

>17789921
>If they were allowed to choose their partner and the kind of act in which to indulge
There wouldn't be any trauma, because as sexually immature, they would find playmates and indulge in games and fun

And not a single one would ever chose you

[Anonymous No.17795990]

What's the dividing line? What if a 14 year old looks older? 15? It seems to be extremely ingrained in the culture these days to sexualize those ages. Fuck, Disney and Nickelodeon made an entire empire out of it.
Isn't that the age range that most men are attracted to anyway? I just want to get a reading on how far people's values go.
Seems like a lot of smokescreening and self-hatred from a lot of people goin on these days.

[Anonymous No.17796031]

These threads are all the fucking same, and they get so many replies.
You people are literally obsessed with this shit. Very telling.
You're all predators probably. Every single one of you.

[Anonymous No.17796045]

>>17796031
go cry about it on twitter m'lady

[Anonymous No.17796053]

>>17796045
We won't stop until everyone's darkest recesses of their human nature is exposed, and everyone is shamed out of society.

[Anonymous No.17796063]

>>17796053
never going to happen sweatie, and by shaming you only inflict additional damage on the already damaged kids, kys

[Anonymous No.17796084]

>>17796063
I'm just an anti-human nihilist who wants everyone to suffer.

[Anonymous No.17796097]

al this mental gymnastics by pedophiles to justify their sex addiction

fucking lel, judeo christianity was a mistake

[Anonymous No.17796129]

>>17790231
>moralfags
why do you pretend like you're not making a moral statement with this

[Anonymous No.17796143]

>>17796129
did I actually make? where and what?

[Anonymous No.17796148]

>>17796097
I'm thinking all this hysteria is engineered to get people tired and ultimately accepting to it, desu.
One side you have all this media with sexualized girls and the likes of Billie Eillish who obviously marketed attention to her tits before she was 18 with her reverse psychology about hiding her body. You had women gush over that Finn kid from Stranger Things when he was a lad. It's creating a very strange state of mind in a lot of people. It's creating a lot of cognitive dissonance that usually manifests in violent fantasy now. It's really fucking weird to see all of this. It's like the beginning of Weimar to a certain degree. People can only be angry for so long until they get tired.
The internet really was pandora's box.

[Anonymous No.17796166]

>>17793737
>Why, especially when women often prefer the feeling of circumcized men?
holy coping for your mutilated cock. removing the foreskin ruins sexual mechanics and reduces pleasure considerably for both parties as well as injures the woman (because mutilated cock is also dry and calloused rather than moist and soft with gliding motion).

[Anonymous No.17796171]

>>17792186
You will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.17796221]

>>17796143
in your every word while you pretend there is no moral question and sidestep the topic with memespeak
>Morality (from Latin: moralitas, lit. 'manner, character, proper behavior') is the differentiation of intentions, decisions and actions between those that are distinguished as proper and those that are improper. Morality can be a body of standards or principles derived from a code of conduct from a particular philosophy, religion or culture, or it can derive from a standard that a person believes should be universal. Morality may also be specifically synonymous with "goodness" or "rightness".

[Anonymous No.17796278]

The bond created in a relationship that begins when you start to feel romantic love (9-10) is huge. So a relationship between an 11 yo girl and a 25 yo guy will rarily result in divorce in the part of the girl.
If the girl is satisfied with that, why should society impose their views of what an ideal relationship is?

[Anonymous No.17796302]

>>17796278
The premise here is entirely irrelevant considering you fell on the girl being ‘satisfied’ instead of making some asinine extrapolation about how women have to stay married as it’s the most efficient etc etc, which is fine, but the conclusion is ridiculous: if she’s satisfied beating her children, and assaulting neighbors is that fine?

[Anonymous No.17796303]

>>17796084
fag alert

[Anonymous No.17796343]

>>17796221
It's literally just an obeservation. If you cant distinguish between that and a moral statement, then go read a book or something lmao

[Anonymous No.17796370]

>>17796302
>If she’s satisfied beating her children, and assaulting neighbors is that fine?
Are you really comparing a girl who loves her husband dearly with beating children and assauting neighbours?

I'm on your side though, but at least I base my morality on the existence of a god. I assume you're only using ''common sense'' and feelings to defend your morals and this is where you fail.

[Anonymous No.17796413]

>>17790907
It would be far easier for such social retards to find some christmas cake in her 30s/40s who'd hit the wall, desperate for validation that they're still attractive, than it would be to go through the process of trying to groom a child.

[Anonymous No.17796453]

>>17796413
Oh so your problem is about convenience, but not if it's evil.

[Anonymous No.17796465]

>>17791040
For 4 years from the age of 11 I lived under a physically (not sexually) abusive stepfather who most often used force, demeaning language and threats, but sporadically backed up those threats with a proper beating. Not measured, corrective corporal punishment type beating, but flying off the handle throwing me across the room and lamping me for half an hour beating.

It bothers me how much sexual abuse is put on a pedestal, how it has been painted as so much more reprehensible than non-sexual abuse, even in instances where such sexual abuse occurs without the use of violence or force, but through manipulation and exploitation of naivety.

[Anonymous No.17796499]

>>17790231
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.17796516]

>>17796453
My point is your argument is incorrect. Social ineptitude is not the sole reason for pedophilia. It may be A reason for pedophilia, but claiming that is is the sole driver of pedo apologetics on 4chan doesn't hit the mark. It has to be qualified by appendant reasons.
Say you're a guy in your 20s, you're socially inept, you can't hook up with any women your own age. You have two choices. Try with women older than you, or try with girls significantly younger than you. From a social standpoint, it would be far easier and less risky to find a woman in her late 30s who's willing to have sex with you, than it would be to groom a child. So why would you pursue the latter? Maybe you're not attracted to older women, but have a pathological attraction to neoteny such that regardless of social aptitude, you are aroused by children. That's perhaps the most likely reason for people trying to justify their attraction. Or, you could have sociopathic tendencies. Perhaps you're not even that physically attracted to children, but you get a kick out of controlling and manipulating people which is easier to do with children than with a more independently minded, world-wise 30-something woman.

[Anonymous No.17796635]

>>17796516
You seemed to make fun of pedos because they're certainly not making their life easier by being one.
You agree then that convenience shouldn't be used as an argument to defend moral values, ok?
About the rest of your reply... I guess I should make a distinction between being attracted to a 5 yo and a 10 yo. Attraction to the latter can be much more than prefering young physical features or being a ''sociopath''.
A 10 yo girl looks a lot more ''formed'' than a little girl, and she also seems to understand what a love relationship is. The attraction to these girls can come from their ability to understand a romantic relationship while at the same time being able to be extremely loyal.
A 10 yo is the prefect woman for some ''pedos'', and they aren't sociopaths or born that way.
Someone can be a ''pedo'' by simply observing reality and being honest enough, regardless of social pressure.

[Anonymous No.17796666]

>>17796635
>You agree then that convenience shouldn't be used as an argument to defend moral values, ok?
Sure.
I guess you have a point, and that I missed out one other factor in deciding to go younger instead of older. Hooking up with a late 30s woman past her prime doesn't give you the same validation. She's already "used up", other guys got to sleep with her during her prime whereas, if you had been the same age when she was, she wouldn't have given you a second look.
I guess 4chan pedos can delude themselves into believing that they can develop a consensual relationship with a girl before she's encultured to see them as low value males, and that such a relationship could grow as the girl comes to truly see their worth or whatever.

[Anonymous No.17796738]

>>17796666
>I guess 4chan pedos can delude themselves into believing that they can develop a consensual relationship with a girl before she's encultured to see them as low value males
people have different definitions of what being a ''low value male'' is and it definitely varies among cultures. But like I said before, there's a very low chance that a relationship between a 10 yo girl and a 25 yo guy would end in divorce on the part of the girl.
Alo, a male may be ''low value'' because society tells him that he can't get what he wants.

[Anonymous No.17796754]

>>17796738
Also*

[Anonymous No.17796765]

>>17796738
>it's society's fault I'm a fuck up
classic

[Anonymous No.17796798]

>>17796765
What if it is? Couldn't a culture value bad things and thus not be very livable for those who want good things? Are you really using the argument that the majority always wins?

[Anonymous No.17796822]

>>17796516
In my very scientific field research on /tv/ I have determined the existence of two broad groups I would term 'the regressive' and 'the narcissist'. The former seem literally emotionally retarded, the latter like the idea of molding an entire person into devotion to them.

[Anonymous No.17796851]

>>17796822
>literally
>retarded
This shows a lack of depth in your research.

[Anonymous No.17796866]

>>17789921
Oh, brave new world!

[Anonymous No.17796892]

>>17796851
Well that's the impression I get from their incredibly childish fantasies. They actually sound like how children themselves sound when imagining being 'grown-up and married' except with an incongruous sexual dimension grafted on. A total lack of understanding of themselves, of the objects of their desire, and of the reality of human relationships.

[Anonymous No.17796929]

>>17796892
Most adults are very unsatisfied with their lives so perhaps they should value innocence more.
Don't confuse innocence with complete naivety though.

[Anonymous No.17797212]

>>17792444
>If a child doesn't want my help after being raped, then that means the child consented to being raped
You are either illiterate or scum.
>>17792445
Unfortunately, there are some personality traits which overlap in both personality disorders and the caring professions. On the internet from random strangers that can be mildly traumatic but most resilient adults would shrug it off, but when it involves professionals doing it to kids who have already been victimised, it can be devastating. Especially as professionals can have total control over the child's environment and ability to consent, especially in cases with CSA.