Where can I find an intellectual counterargument for critical race theory?

[Anonymous No.17980678]

as the post says, i'm looking for something that debunks the notion of critical race theory, not something that critiques cancel culture or points out some flaws of the theory. But an actual intellectual argument that debunks the notion of systematic racism and all that other jazz.

This extends intersectional feminist theory in general. Every time i've tried to look up some type of critique all I get is jordan peterson videos and prager U stuff ranting about the loony left.

[Anonymous No.17980706]

>>17980678
idk, you have to be a retarded zoomer to believe that shit. And who gives a shit what zoomers think.

[Anonymous No.17980729]

>>17980706
yeah but it would be nice to have something which outright break the logic of the people that think that way, unless you really hit that core belief it doesn't matter what you say to them.

[Anonymous No.17980756]

>>17980678
google fbi crime stats

[Anonymous No.17980774]

>>17980678
not literature related

[Anonymous No.17980783]

>>17980774
>what is the literature regarding critical race theory?

yes it's /lit/ related.

[Anonymous No.17980817]

>>17980678
Race is a social construct, thus critical race theory is no different from eugenics.

[Anonymous No.17980832]

>>17980678
>But an actual intellectual argument that debunks the notion of systematic racism
You’re not going to find this because systemic racism (it’s systemic, not systematic retard) is undoubtedly a real thing in the United States (which you are from). Also the belief in systemic racism is not exclusive to critical race theory. Essentially you’re a complete retard and don’t know what you’re even looking to argue against. Maybe, maybe stop being such a retard. Anyway, it’s systemic not systematic. Read a book

[Anonymous No.17980847]

>>17980832
See: >>17980817
you are a eugenicist

[Anonymous No.17980857]

>>17980847
You would be a lot better at baiting people if you weren’t very obviously a dim 16 year old.

[Anonymous No.17980869]

>>17980832
>systemic racism (it’s systemic, not systematic retard) is undoubtedly a real thing in the United States
he's right, there are whole laws about how people have to hire certain kinds of people, how college admissions have to let certain proportions of people in even if they don't have good test scores, the government literally sets aside taxpayer money and gives it businesses run by only certain kinds of people. private businesses participate too, they openly give out discounts to businesses run by certain kinds of people and not others, financial institutions now have explicit policies about not working with businesses that don't have a minimum proportion of certain kinds of people on their boards of directors
systemic racism is literally an explicit thing in this country, like there are actual policies about it

[Anonymous No.17980877]

>>17980832
It only exist because people like you are obsessed with classifying people into semi-arbitrary race-based categories.

[Anonymous No.17980880]

>>17980678
why don't you try and formulate it yourself pussy. or are you scared of actually reading?

[Anonymous No.17980884]

>>17980857
I’m a very dim 24 year old thank (You) very much.

[Anonymous No.17980897]

>>17980678
The only thing you need to know to debunk critical race theory is the basic fact that the different races don’t have equal average IQs so why would expect them to have the same outcome. You don’t have to be a /pol/ Nazi to acknowledge basic facts about human cognitive diversity.

[Anonymous No.17980911]

>>17980678
Have you tried reading Tankies?

[Anonymous No.17980918]

[Anonymous No.17980947]

You can’t and that’s the dirty trick of CRT. They have people writing that “epistemic competence is white oppression” ffs.

Epistemic competence basically means knowing what you’re talking about btw.

[Anonymous No.17981048]

"Systemic racism" is an empty term that means whatever I need it to mean in order to advance my political agenda. In the absence of a real argument, I vaguely accuse society at large of harbouring antipathy towards my pet demographic, excusing them of all wrongs and perenially fixing them in the role of the victim.

Therefore, when a black criminal murders an old Asian man, that's due to white supremacy and racism.

[Anonymous No.17981086]

>>17980880
>>17980947
the best argument I can think of is that if there is racism in society it's going to have a definitive source.

there is the idea that systemic racism exists in western societies and that such racism is found at the foundation of those societies, and that although progress has been made there's still lingering racism from that system that still remains.

And that consequently since those power structures endemic to that system still exist, the main intended beneficiaries (white people) still benefit from that system.

But if you take this idea out of the west and say, apply to some historical society like ancient greece (just an example i'm not an expert on ancient greece) and instead of race it's sexism. then presuming you remove the main elements of what constitutes sexism in that society (laws, cultural values explicitly stated in the culture) then all you really have is people who remember the old days that hold onto those values. without those views taking some form in way of an opposition it's hard to say that such sexism exists in anything but the lingering periphery of the cultural zeitgeist.

Obviously racism exists in society to some degree. The main forms being in place like in the edges of conservative movements (mostly conservatives are not racists) and the reactionary movement to stuff like sjws. but only to the degree that people are involved in those extreme fringes is racism. How can an individual where the dominant zeigeist is intersectional feminism and the establishment itself is pushing such values, be a system of white supremacy and systemic racism? i'm looking for something like this or a more comprehensive argument that I can quote or link people to. These are just some thoughts I came up with last night before going to bed, so don't take it as some comprehensive argument.

>>17980756
>>17980897
that's more empirical evidence, while it's good, it's hard to argue with someone who won't take the time to look at it (especially in good faith) that's why i'm looking for an intellectual rebuttal, rather than getting bogged down in a tit for tat "they commit more crimes" "only because police stop them more" and so on.

[Anonymous No.17981101]

>>17980678
All Critical Theory is normative. This, it's child's play to deboonk unless you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.17981107]

>>17981101
well go on, debunk it then.

[Anonymous No.17981115]

>>17981086
the empirical evidence is shit, race was something the mercury drinking spanish came up with in the 15th century to justify their purity of blood laws; its entirely social, and therefore any application of race to iq will only ever be a measure of social-classes predisposed to certain levels of education in the economic system.

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[Anonymous No.17981141]

>>17981086
I don't even know what critical race theory is anyway, I think its a conservative catch all for like any pomo/left theory of structural racism that they don't like. I've met pomo conservatives before, they're interesting to talk to and have interesting arguments, but anyone out there looking to "debunk" CRT is probably just a dumbass who can't get through one sentence of Nietzsche without having an aneurism.

[Anonymous No.17981155]

>>17980678
You want a single argument or set of arguments that destroys an entire epistemic framework? Even if such a thing were to exist, it would surely take up the better part of a monograph.

[Anonymous No.17981173]

>>17981141
> I can't read but everyone but me is a dumbass


did a quick google search for you anon, no need to thank me, CRT is just a /pol/ consipracy theory made be chuds and incels, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

[Anonymous No.17981179]

>>17981086
>How can an individual where the dominant zeigeist is intersectional feminism and the establishment itself is pushing such values, be a system of white supremacy and systemic racism?
No one has attempted a systematic study that demonstrates this assertion. Sit and think about what would be necessary to prove it, and you might be able to achieve something at some point.

[Anonymous No.17981201]

when did /lit/ get infested with feminists?

[Anonymous No.17981232]

There should be a containment board for Americans and their pseudo-literary "theory".

[Anonymous No.17981254]

>>17980869
>systemic racism is literally an explicit thing in this country, like there are actual policies about it
Another person that cant tell the difference between systemic and systematic. very /lit/ you retards

[Anonymous No.17981263]

>>17981173
I think conservatives still don't understand it and I still think I'm right in saying that the common rejection is just a fear of postmodern ideas destabilizing liberalism. I think that the other posters might be right, unfortunately, that the only "intellectual" argument (that is, the only argument that counters CRT on its own level), is the Nazi one. But I don't even know if that's a counter argument necessarily because its not as if these things on the "left" can't quickly turn into Nationalist political regimes. But honestly, we're not going to tear down the country any time soon, the conservatives are just angry that they have to give up a bit of power since they lost the recent civil/culture war and are currently busy seething.

[Anonymous No.17981373]

>>17980832
nigger

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>>17981201
We’re just not as noisy as the meninists

[Anonymous No.17981464]

The thread banned by /lit/ and /pol/
>>/lit/thread/S17671027#p17671036

[Anonymous No.17981526]

What aspect of crt you want a critique of?

[Anonymous No.17981533]

>>17981464
>an actual thread that dives into the nature of the subject matter

Based. Thanks for posting.

[Anonymous No.17981566]

>>17980678
You people are actually retarded. Why don't you just read books on CRT? In fact, if you had done so, you would have realized that the only intro textbook to CRT has a section covering criticisms thereof, complete with a bibliography.

[Anonymous No.17981590]

>>17981566
>you people
and exactly who might that be anon?

I don't really read the literature for this stuff a lot, so thanks for the reference.

[Anonymous No.17981595]

>>17981590
those who make threads like this without even doing a google search or consulting the basic literature

[Anonymous No.17981627]

>>17981464
From this perspective the racial movements are correct within the current world trajectory, but do not see its implications. There is a higher race (in terms of power but not necessarily quality or strength) being created and the conflicts are a part of this integration to the new race. The white man is already there, his nihilism is perfect and so he can watch the ruination of his cities from a place of comfort. thus the store owner who welcomes the looting of his property as a sacrifice to the higher cause.

His being totally leveled is what paves the way for the other races - they retain the image of humanity for him while at the same time increasing the destructive force of the old races. We see this as an element of exhaustion as the old races will quickly abandon their own character and become as faceless as the white man they despise. This is what lies behind black integration, if they are to be fully absorbed they must initiate their own leveling process.

There is a possible parallel here in the subsequent subterfuge of leftist movements by the black face and their own liberalisation - one and the same with the black bourgeoisie, and the final push to mobilise the black economy. The irony that this occurs where all economic conditions are failing cannot be escaped: the black man finds himself as house nigger of irrational exuberance.

White flight from the cities takes on another character from this perspective, as the black autonomous zones will either liberalize themselves or become centralizing forces. Illegalist but also a sign that integration has failed at the very level of dominion - within the blood of the land which searches out its new laws.

[Anonymous No.17981659]

>>17980877
I'm down and I'll take hispanics too while we are at it.

[Anonymous No.17981660]

>>17980678
The Poverty o f Feminism remains the best understanding of the women's movement. And many of the arguments could be applied to race as well.

[Anonymous No.17981667]

>>17981595
>implying that this thread isn't better than the clickbait thumbnail threads infesting the board.

[Anonymous No.17981692]

>>17981566
Well generally I would expect that proponents of a theory would have adequate rebuttals against the critcisms addressed in their own literature. Especially something that's more normalised in society.

Naturally i'm not looking for a criticism of crt that it's proponents would be bring up in their own book. That's common sense.

[Anonymous No.17981710]

>>17981692
*wouldn't be

[Anonymous No.17981711]

>>17981627
>the black man finds himself as house nigger of irrational exuberance.
Lmao

[Anonymous No.17981726]

>>17981254
Seething

[Anonymous No.17981749]

>>17980678
Liberalism, rationality and equality under the law are not perfect but they are a framework for an interracial society. A challenge to this structure is also a challenge to the protections that it offers which are substantially greater than the harms. Unless CRT advocates can show a politically viable path to an improved system they are doing harm to our society.

[Anonymous No.17981762]

>>17981692
>Naturally i'm not looking for a criticism of crt that it's proponents would be bring up in their own book
Ugh. Try reading the book. They don't make up a criticism out of thin air.

[Anonymous No.17981765]

>>17980678
The only intellectual debunking you need is this: "Whoever makes a claim has to be the one to prove it." Intersectionality and critical race theory essentially relies on "common sense", or in other words belief that their theory really explains what is happening.

[Anonymous No.17981768]

>>17980678
Nigger all of that shit is the fucking Jews

[Anonymous No.17981771]

>>17981254
You will never be a woman

[Anonymous No.17981821]

>>17981762
Go back

[Anonymous No.17981830]

>>17981762
i'll check it out but most peer reviewed academic literature (books specifically) i've read has a tendency to choose criticisms that it can rebuttle.Hence why I'm asking for the argument directly from the other camp.

Anyway thanks for the reference.

[Anonymous No.17982247]

>>17981460
Might be a better place if they were

[Anonymous No.17982252]

oh no no

[Anonymous No.17982272]

>>17980678
>spoon feed me how to not get owned by leftist online. I made my identity whole cloth out of being definitionally opposed and separate from them but I can't substantiate any of the world view I've adorned like a pair of shoes! Please help me not be baby!

[Anonymous No.17982531]

You dont need to.

Systemic racism is real, and it's based. Instead of trying to make white people into victims why don't you own up to your history and realize it was based as fuck.

I'm a nationalist who believes are white people are racist.

[Anonymous No.17982679]

>>17980678
I cant think of anything that is outright response, but you could try this

[Anonymous No.17982744]

Needing to have the explanation spoonfed to you is emblematic of why you don't understand critical race theory/inter-sectional feminist scholarship lmao

[Anonymous No.17982787]

Thomas Sowell refuted the entire thing decades ago

[Anonymous No.17982843]

>>17980817
>Race is a social construct
Wrong, society is a racial construct

[Anonymous No.17982878]

>>17981173
>>17980678
Just read the criticism section on Wikipedia. There's plenty of critics listed, I'm sure one of them has written something substantial.

[Anonymous No.17983303]

>>17980678
If you can't refute their retarded arguments on your own i don't know what to tell you anon

[Anonymous No.17983348]

>>17980678
White countries are the least racist and most honest countries on planet earth.
White countries have allowed foreigners to settle in their lands.
White countries admit the historic truths and have not tried to overwrite them.

Islamic countries overwrite their historic truth, and hate non muslims.
Chinese countries steal history and claim it as their own and hate foreigners.

[Anonymous No.17983351]

>>17980678
Don't try, critical race theorists are a new religious Cult

[Anonymous No.17983361]

>>17983348
Considering these facts, the push for immigration is a bipartisan effort designed to destroy the white race.