which books would you recommend for someone who wants to understand anarchism?

[Anonymous No.18039835]

also why are so many anarchists anti violence these days?

[Anonymous No.18039853]

>>18039835
Paul Avrich is a good historian

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18039854]

US anarchism has gone through the stages and now feels it has to be a pacifists movement. Reading a thing by Peter Gelderloos proves how ineffectual they are.
Lots of the old founding theorists in this book...

[Anonymous No.18039859]

>>18039835
Conquest of bread.
People's history of the U.S.
On Anarchism

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18039868]

Currently reading Bolo’Bolo and Sadie Plant’s thing on the Situationists

But these three are my favourite next step pieces.

[Anonymous No.18039893]

>>18039835
Some anon asked Chomsky for book recommendations and he recommended 'demanding the impossible' which is a history of anarchism.

[Anonymous No.18039903]

On Authority by Engels.
"Left Wing" Communism: An Infantile Disorder by Lenin.

[Anonymous No.18039911]

>>18039903
Based

[Anonymous No.18039953]

Currently reading The Conquest of Bread.

[Anonymous No.18039970]

>>18039903
Cringe

[Anonymous No.18039975]

>>18039835
>also why are so many anarchists anti violence these days?
because they were violent 100 years ago and they got btfo
plus today atheists allow only muslims to be violent

[Anonymous No.18040051]

>>18039835
Because it's a movement for bored urbanites ages 14-23.

[Anonymous No.18040238]

>>18039835
The Illusion of Anarchism by Dora Marsden
Tells you all you need to know

[Anonymous No.18040795]

>>18039835
Samuel E. Konkin III's works.

[Anonymous No.18040806]

Their marketing department told them it doesn't sell well when you assault anyone you dislike.

[Anonymous No.18040873]

>>18039835
I cant think of a more unrealistic political ideology. Its just a status symbol for assholes

[Anonymous No.18041313]

>>18039835
A good example of why do anarchists in the end default to the mainstream liberal position(while awarding themselves metaphorical medals for resisting some of them in principle) could be understood from Nemesis by C.A. Bond.

[Anonymous No.18041355]

>>18039835
people consider him a meme but unironically Max Stirner. As for anti-violence, it's an aggressively oversimplified and borrowed term and not totally accurate but I consider it akin to controlled opposition. twitter ancoms have about as much in common with what i consider to be anarchism as pinochet's regime

[( . ) ( . ) No.18041395]

>>18039835
Peter Kropotkin is all you need.
Anarchism can work. It has worked many times on a small scale.

[Anonymous No.18041417]

I recently did a history dive and stumbled on Emma Goldman, an anarchist from 100 years ago. She might not be “based” or have the best takes, but she was ahead of her time and an important figure.

Road to Serfdom isn’t anarchist, but it is the most effective criticism of central planning you’ll ever see, both economically but also ethically.

[Anonymous No.18041503]

im curious to read on Anarchism as an ideology but then i remember that in Greece we have anarchists who protest against government laying off people and i find the whole thing extremely ridiculous

[Anonymous No.18042392]

>>18041313
I'd beg to differ.

[Anonymous No.18042400]

>>18039835
Anarchism is a phantasm.

[Anonymous No.18042402]

>>18042392
not anarchist

[Anonymous No.18042409]

>>18039835
>>18039903
The Method of Freedom by Erico Malatesta.
Anarchism: what it really stands for by Emma Goldman

These two are all you really need to understand Anarchism. Everything else is basically an afterthought

[Anonymous No.18042426]

>>18042409
also, anytime someone trys to own anarchism by reference to anything soviet, remind them of Alexander Berkman's "The BOlshevik Myth" or Emma Goldman's "There is no Communism in Russia"

[Anonymous No.18042483]

>>18039835
>why are so many anarchists anti violence

Could it be because they typically lack the capacity to enact violence except from a position of overwhelming strength for themselves or a victim in a position of completely lacking defense?

Good examples are bricks tossed through windows and black block tactics in affluent areas.

[Anonymous No.18042797]

No Gods No Masters-Guerin
The Spanish Anarchists-Bookchin
Homage to Catalonia-Orwell

[Anonymous No.18042960]

>>18039835
Violent conflict with the state is a losing battle 99% of the time

[Anonymous No.18042992]

>>18041313
>Nemesis by C.A. Bond
Or just skip this and read On Power.

[Anonymous No.18043040]

>>18039903
Based, this kills the underage anarkiddy

[Anonymous No.18043051]

>>18043040
I'm sure they've moved on to D&G by now to avoid those snags.

[Anonymous No.18043085]

I'd recommend this as a concise attack on theories justifying the state, and I'm a Marxist. He's kind of like a mutualist, which I suppose is like a "centrist anarchist" or something like that, individualist but anti-capitalist and hostile to Ayn Rand.

https://youtu.be/lhFiGO_XmD8

[Anonymous No.18043091]

>>18039903
Dangerously based

[None No.18043599]

>>18039835
Post-Left Anarchy - Quinn
Anarchy After Leftism - Bob Black
In this order.

[Anonymous No.18043882]

>>18039903
>On Authority
Engels doesn't know the difference between expertise and authority
>"Left Wing" Communism
Lenin was garbage, and thought his methods could be copy and pasted even though Russia's feudal circumstances, and lack of republican traditions made a socialist revolution much easier there - which is why Council Communists were correct when they denounced him because the Russian Revolution failed to achieve the first and the second phase of communism.

[Anonymous No.18043890]

>ctrl+f
>lord of the flies
>zero results
One job.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.18043999]

>>18041503
Start the new economy
I just heard China is implementing labor vouchers. Greece should too.

>>18042960
Peaceful conflict is 100% ineffective

[Anonymous No.18044034]

>>18043999
I'm sorry, but I know for a fact that 100% of human rights were won by asking authority nicely if they would include you in what they think is important.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.18044039]

>>18044034
Ha ha
Ha ha ha.
Ha

[Anonymous No.18044041]

>>18044034
You mean like the labour movement?

[« 𓃠 » !!oI3er5KKetj No.18044053]

>>18044041
I was thinking more like gay marriage, hate crime law, and removing don't ask don't tell
>>18044039
You know it was funny

[Anonymous No.18044064]

>>18044053
Gay marriage doesn’t fucking matter. They already had civil unions.
>hate crime
Meme

[Anonymous No.18044065]

>>18039835
>Practical Anarchy
https://www.freedomain.com/product/practical-anarchy/
>Everyday Anarchy
https://www.freedomain.com/product/everyday-anarchy/

[« 𓃠 » !!oI3er5KKetj No.18044074]

>>18044064
Unironically my point retard.

[Anonymous No.18044096]

>>18044074
I don’t even know why you’re replying to me, tripnigger

[Anonymous No.18044113]

>>18044096
It pleases me to do so

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.18044117]

Anyway, yeah. Graeber goes into the activist movements Quaker origins, some of these strictly nonviolent sorts don’t even like Black Bloc for breaking friggin windows. Chris Hedges always drones on about antifa ruining things. The cops openly abuse them and no one but other activists take notice. It’s masochistic. No wonder they rejected Herod’s book. Protests don’t work. The cops and media turn them into riots

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18044126]

>>18044074
Oh, get your own trip, Kitty

[« 𓃠 » !!otEKkOuslF1 No.18044145]

>>18044126
If you insist

[Anonymous No.18044160]

You know, I always thought that the 'lazy kid revolutionary politics' thing was a more modern trope, but the more I study history, the more I realize the exact same pattern has been many-fold repeated. If you think I'm joking, Le Mal Du Siecle was the origin point for so many French leftoid ""philosophers"", and so influenced the ones who succeeded them.

[Anonymous No.18044729]

>>18039835
Seige or Harassment Architecture. Ted had some good work too but that's better for after the introduction.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18044737]

>>18044729
Fuck away

[Anonymous No.18044859]

>>18044737
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated last of my class in the Community Militia, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Logging camps, and I have over 300 fraudulent phone calls to the emergency services. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire Homestead. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will racket rocks through your windows with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak, I am contacting my secret network of homeless people across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can severely inconvenience you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with one Magic Marker. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the local hardware store and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.18044898]

>>18043999
>Peaceful conflict
Demonstration of the retarded double thinking of this pathetic cunt.
>>18039835
Bookchin as a demonstration of the fact that the left wing is just split city.

Dont get me wrong. I prefer left values to rightist ones. Ultimately politics are ineffectual. Read the gospels.

[Anonymous No.18044957]

Collectivist "anarchists"/"Anarcho"-Communists are not anarchists. Listen to Proudhon, aka the fucking guy who made anarchism a proper ideology.
>I ought not to conceal the fact that property and communism have been considered always the only possible forms of society. This deplorable error has been the life of property. The disadvantages of communism are so obvious that its critics never have needed to employ much eloquence to thoroughly disgust men with it. The irreparability of the injustice which it causes, the violence which it does to attractions and repulsions, the yoke of iron which it fastens upon the will, the moral torture to which it subjects the conscience, the debilitating effect which it has upon society; and, to sum it all up, the pious and stupid uniformity which it enforces upon the free, active, reasoning, unsubmissive personality of man have shocked common sense, and condemned communism by an irrevocable decree.
>Singularly enough, systematic communism—the deliberate negation of property—is conceived under the direct influence of the proprietary prejudice; and property is the basis of all communistic theories. ...
>The members of a community, it is true, have no private property; but the community is proprietor, and proprietor not only of the goods, but of the persons and wills. …
>Communism is oppression and slavery. Man is very willing to obey the law of duty, serve his country, and oblige his friends; but he wishes to labor when he pleases, where he pleases, and as much as he pleases. He wishes to dispose of his own time, to be governed only by necessity, to choose his friendships, his recreation, and his discipline; to act from judgment, not by command; to sacrifice himself through selfishness, not through servile obligation. Communism is essentially opposed to the free exercise of our faculties, to our noblest desires, to our deepest feelings.
From "What is Property".

[Anonymous No.18044963]

>>18044957
http://fair-use.org/benjamin-tucker/instead-of-a-book/general-walker-and-the-anarchists
>It probably will surprise many who know nothing of Proudhon save his declaration that “property is robbery” to learn that he was perhaps the most vigorous hater of Communism that ever lived on this planet.
>But the apparent inconsistency vanishes when you read his book and find that by property he means simply legally privileged wealth or the power of usury, and not at all the possession by the laborer of his products. Of such possession he was a stanch defender.

[Anonymous No.18044987]

>>18043999
>Peaceful conflict is 100% ineffective
All conflict is 100% ineffective when you're massively outgunned
Being sensible, eloquent, and peaceful, and able to support yourself, while disseminating your thoughts is much more efficient than acting like a shitposter on an anonymous image board while living in your parents' basement

[Anonymous No.18046036]

>>18044963
stopped reading when ancom was claimed as anarchist. imagine being this retarded.

[Anonymous No.18046039]

>>18046036
ancap*** maybe i'm the retarded one

[Anonymous No.18046047]

>>18046036
Don’t get hung up on the label. It means ‘without government’

[Anonymous No.18046156]

>>18046039
No shit.
Yes, Anarcho-capitalism is anarchistic. Literally the only meaningful difference between ancap and mutualism aka OG anarchism is how property is handled, and even so you couldn't even say it's really a difference since mutualism (and any other actual anarchist school of thought, for that matter) is fine with any type of property norm as long as they are voluntarily accepted by all individuals in a local community. Only "an"coms insist that their norms apply to everyone else, like statists.
Classical anarchists (anarchists prior to the co-opting of the term "anarchist" by communists) would have disagreed with Ancaps over stuff like landlordship and charging interest; not because they thought people should be stopped from renting out property and lending money (because, surprise, that would require state coercion), but they thought that within a stateless society such things would be less common or not exist to begin with.

[Anonymous No.18046193]

>>18039835
>also why are so many anarchists anti violence these days
They don't want to do the dirty work.

[Anonymous No.18046219]

>>18039903
>first one is literally a one page letter about a made up scenario
>the second is boot licking 101

[Anonymous No.18046711]

>>18039903
Also Socialism: Utopian and Scientific by Engels.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18047222]

>>18044898
Why can’t you read?
> Ultimately politics are ineffectual. Read the gospels.
>Wants a spiritual revolution

>>18044957
>no no! Don’t unite! That’s compromise!

>>18044987
No. “Diversity of tactics” is what’s called for.

Liberals and tankies. Please leave.

[Anonymous No.18047276]

>>18039835
Just read the big names, Proudhon and such. They're not that coherent.

>>18046156
>Yes, Anarcho-capitalism is anarchistic.
You'd have to situated it in that line somehow and I don't see how you would do that. Anarchist Capitalists all trace back to Ludwig von Mises who was explicitly a conservative liberal and never a radical of any sort. Anarchism really starts with William Godwin who got into an intellectual fight with Malthus but the main Anarchist Capitalist today is Hoppe who is explicitly pro-Malthusian in that fight.

[Anonymous No.18047340]

>>18047276
>Anarchist Capitalists all trace back to Ludwig von Mises
t. mega retard. Easily one of the most retarded statements have heard in a while. Ancaps officially started with Murray Rothbard. Ancap-like ideas stretch back all the way to stuff like Gustave de Molinari's "The Production of Security" in 1849. Austrian Economics is a big part of Anarcho-Capitalism but isn't uniquely ancap.
>Anarchism really starts with...
Fuck off. It started with Proudhon.

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>>18047340
Sometimes things have their start without their now agreed upon names.

[Anonymous No.18047439]

>>18043882
OH NONONONO GUYS THE ANARKIDDIES ARE HERE
>Engels doesn't know the difference between expertise and authority
I define authority as the right to assume sovereign power. per that definition Engels' scenario is absolutely correct.
>and thought his methods could be copy and pasted even though Russia's feudal circumstances
wrong, he explicitly targeted Western "Marxists" who smeared him for thinking that a revolution could start in a country that had not gone through the capitalist phase. he definitely took specific historical conditions into account
>Council Communists were correct when they denounced him because the Russian Revolution failed to achieve the first and the second phase of communism
well Council Communism failed to win any popular support beyond armchair /leftypol/ tranny theorists. I don't think Leninist ought to be ashamed
>>18047276
>You'd have to situated it in that line somehow and I don't see how you would do that. Anarchist Capitalists all trace back to Ludwig von Mises who was explicitly a conservative liberal and never a radical of any sort
that's retarded. anarchists decend from Rousseau who was pretty much a proto-fascist. sounds like genetic fallacy to me

[Anonymous No.18047471]

>>18044957
Jesus Christ this is a horrible chart

[Anonymous No.18047534]

read lenin :--DD

[Anonymous No.18048009]

>>18047439
>I define authority as the right to assume sovereign power. per that definition Engels' scenario is absolutely correct.
Engels was wrong, he again, confused "Authority" with expertise and force. A revolution uses force, but it requires authority to persist after.
>he explicitly targeted Western "Marxists" who smeared him for thinking that a re
This is half, and Leninist argument is utter fucking non-sense. In Manifesto, Marx argued you could skip to communism using the primitive communes in the country side. Lenin, however, bigger problem was that he started revolution on this false pretense because he assumed Marx's analysis Russia was correct - we now know that to be false. The Russian Communes, the obschina, did not hold property in common, but in private. And, no, he actually attacked Left Communists who pointing out that trade unionism, and parties, were not efficient methods for revolution in the west. He ended up being wrong, and the Left Communists were right, and there ended up being no successful revolutions in the west even though there a dozens ML parties here.
>Council Communism
What are you talking about? There were worker councils throughout the 20th century. The Soviets that were crushed the communists in Russia were councils, worker councils were step up in Spain, Yugoslavia, Portugal, Hungarian in 1956, Germany in 1953, Czech in 1968 (all crushed by the Stalinists), and currently they exist in Rojava. So, no, you have no idea what you are talking about. Also, ML parties filled are filled with trannies, and they use IDPOL constantly to defend their capitalist, counter-revolutions.

[Anonymous No.18048124]

>>18047439
>>18047534
>In the more-than-a-century since then, we anarchists have watched, bemused and wry, as every form of coercive, and violent, and totalitarian, and paranoid type of regimentation has been tried, under the banner of “socialism” and “the welfare of the people,” and we are more convinced than ever that the Socialist State is a worse menace to mankind than even the Capitalist State. A system that produces Stalins and Berias is even more perverted than a system that produces Nelson Rockefellers and LBJs. Socialism is the counter-revolution.
Physical removal for communists

[Anonymous No.18048458]

>>18039868
>>18043999
>>18044039
>>18044053
>>18044074
>>18044117
>>18044126
>>18044145
>>18044737
>>18047222
>>18047368
Skip the depression and OD already.

[Anonymous No.18048463]

>>18048124
whenever a thread is going to shit, you can be sure some 15 year old who saw egoist memes on instagram is gonna make it worse

[Anonymous No.18049541]

>>18048463
When a thread gets worse, you can count on a drug addict communist screech about "egoists" when they themselves are egoists and selfish, ratfucking hypocrites

[Anonymous No.18050250]

>>18039835
between peasants by malatesta

[Anonymous No.18050717]

>>18039835
1) anarchism isn't anarchy
2) don't hurt people please
3) trans women are beautiful, brave, and valid
4) give me stuff for free
there you go that's all you need to understand the anarchist movement

[Anonymous No.18051004]

>>18050717
Become post-left

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>>18047439
>OH NONONONO GUYS THE ANARKIDDIES ARE HERE
It’s an anarchist thread.
> I define authority as sovereign power
Which is why you’re a bootlicking authoritarian and I don’t define tankies as leftists anymore. Lenin failed. Go move to China, vanguardist.
Speaking of historical conditions, you ought to know by now that the US would only accept a full anarchist social revolution and not that transitory state stuff. Just saying. You could stay and help with that if you don’t like the idea of moving to China