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/wg/-Writing General Anonymous Tue Apr 27 04:57:19 2021 No.18121109 [Reply] [Original]

Any progress on your novels?

previous thread:>>18112321

For Prose:
>The Art of Fiction
>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft
>On Writing, Borges

For Poetry:
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges

Related Material:
>What Editors Do
>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar
>Garner's Modern English Usage

Suggested books on storytelling:
>The Weekend Novelist
>Aristotle's Poetics
>Hero With a Thousand Faces
>Romance the Beat

Suggested books on getting your fucking work done you lazy piece of shit:
>Deep Work
>Atomic Habits

Traditional publishing
> Formatting manuscript
https://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-format/
> Write a query
https://www.janefriedman.com/query-letters/
> Track your query
https://querytracker.net/

Other Resources
>General grammar/syntax/editing help
https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/purdue_owl.html
> When/where/how should I write?
https://jamesclear.com/daily-routines-writers
> What software should I write with?
https://self-publishingschool.com/book-writing-software-best/
> Amazon Publishing to make that KDP monie
https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200635650
> Be like Charles Dickens and write serially
https://www.royalroad.com/
> Basic overview of the Screenplay format
https://screenwriting.info/

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 05:01:02 2021 No.18121120 File: 134 KB, 960x640, Hudson-River-School.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18121109 This bread came so soon I have nothing to update my pasta with. Shamefur dispray!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 06:54:13 2021 No.18121601 >>18121109 Finally done, outlining and taking notes, now I’m ready to start my first draft.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 07:55:26 2021 No.18121819 Anons should read this guide on common mistakes, tropes, and bad writing patterns. https://www.sfwa.org/2009/06/18/turkey-city-lexicon-a-primer-for-sf-workshops/

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:17:27 2021 No.18121925 >>18121819 Good read. This article makes me paranoid about my writing. Like I somehow committed one of those more egregious sins without noticing. Guess I'm going in for fourth review.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:27:44 2021 No.18121976 >>18121925 This but every time I watch a badly written movie or anime I get jittery and hyper critical. At least it forces me to further distill my works.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:28:31 2021 No.18121981 >tfw 98% of books published in 2020 sold less than 5000 copies is there any hope for us?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:29:33 2021 No.18121983 Literally just finished the first major edit of my scifi novel. Don't want to spend too much more time on it since I don't think itll get published and I want to get to work on my more marketable fantasy trilogy

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:29:43 2021 No.18121985 >>18121819 >The grubby apartment story Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck I don’t think I’ve had an original thought in my whole life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:36:54 2021 No.18122013 >>18121819 >In subtler forms of the Dischism, the characters complain of their confusion and indecision — when this is actually the author’s condition at the moment of writing, not theirs within the story. glad i sliced this the fuck out of my book

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:39:27 2021 No.18122029

Here's a mostly-edited rough draft of my short film screenplay for my semester final. Only 10~ pages long (and screenplay pages are not long at all). It's about a man who has his robotic wife taken from him.
Feedback is greatly appreciated, I don't care if you just think it's shit, I need to know so I know where to go from here.

www.dropbox.com/s/uh6mpokuun5ftj1/Final_trimmed.pdf

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:40:26 2021 No.18122035 >>18121819 But I don't write sf

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:42:32 2021 No.18122041 >>18122035 There's some stuff that's only applicable to a setting with fantastic elements but a lot of it's general advice.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:44:27 2021 No.18122052 >>18121819 Holy shit, this advice is awful. >don't do dialogue without pointless action tags! >don't use complex words! I guess it's fine for brainless scify writers who want to be unrecognisable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:50:20 2021 No.18122083 >>18121819 Oh, no, not tidy, middle-class, white Anglo- Saxon protagonists.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:52:10 2021 No.18122091

>>18121819
>Not Simultaneous
Guilty
>Dischism
Sometimes guilty, but only if it fits the story. It reminds me where I was when I was writing it.
>False Humanity
God I hate this.
>Squid in the Mouth
They just don't get my jokes.
>You Can't Fire Me, I Quit!
I hate this so much.
>Just-Like Fallacy
Hey, I like Space Westerns!
>Kitchen-Sink Fallacy
Guilty.

I can't read the rest because I have to run to work but god damn there's a lot to remember, and a lot to feel guilty about.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:53:04 2021 No.18122093 >>18121819 Good read. We definitely need to get rid of autobiographical pieces in which the male viewpoint character complains that he is ugly and can’t get laid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:54:07 2021 No.18122097 What that phrase that means like "makes the hair stand erect", like goosebumps but not negative, a positive feeling, e.g. people experience it when listening to certain songs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:56:25 2021 No.18122106 >>18122097 goosebumps aren't negative you dumb ESL

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 08:57:14 2021 No.18122111 >>18122097 Goosebumps isn't always negative. >Pins and needles >Skin Tingle >Goose Pimples

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:00:14 2021 No.18122123 >>18122097 goosebumps can be positive, you just need to indicate it

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:00:35 2021 No.18122126 >>18122111 Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:01:16 2021 No.18122129 Any of you gotten published? Tips?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:03:58 2021 No.18122140 When is The Art of Dramatic Writing going to get added to the OP and all its pointless links taken down?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:05:01 2021 No.18122152 >writing general >crickets /crit/ needs to come back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:05:58 2021 No.18122156 >>18122152 Go away and never come back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:06:51 2021 No.18122159 >>18122152 If you're referring to people ignoring my screenplay, that's just how it's been ever since /crit/ threads died. I usually have to bait people into reading my works by stirring up controversy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:07:05 2021 No.18122161 >>18122156 I was here first.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:08:13 2021 No.18122168 >>18122159 The state of these threads is pathetic really.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:09:40 2021 No.18122174 >>18122168 Has /lit/ ever not been filled with a bunch of morons who literally just started writing as a hobby? You're overreacting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:09:41 2021 No.18122175 >>18122168 Notice how every time you complain, you only contribute to their low quality and you never do anything to make them better?

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:10:00 2021 No.18122177
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>>18121819

>The ‘white room’ is a featureless set for which details have yet to be invented — a failure of invention by the author.
>This ‘white room’ opening is generally followed by much earnest pondering of circumstances and useless exposition; all of which can be cut, painlessly.

My story starts with the main character literally resurrected from the dead, how the fuck else would I do it? Labs tend to be white or featureless, I'm not a failure AAAAAAAHHH

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:10:22 2021 No.18122178 >>18121109 I self published two weird sci-fi books on Amazon with a third (a little collection of stories) on the way. Working on the fourth and fifth ones, but am thinking of sending these off for publication possibly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:10:24 2021 No.18122179 >>18122159 why would anyone WANT to read your screenplay?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:11:25 2021 No.18122183 Oh boy, I can’t wait for this /wg/ thread to be derailed because anons are taking the fucking bait. Just ignore him for fuck sakes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:11:26 2021 No.18122184 >>18122177 dude, ignore the snarky observations of a bunch of (mostly) hasbeens and neverwheres. almost everything in there is totally ok in certain situations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:11:47 2021 No.18122185 >>18122179 You're probably right, I should restart /crit/ threads and leave the fanfiction knuckledraggers to these anime OP threads.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:13:54 2021 No.18122198 >>18122177 "White" doesn't imply "featureless", you can fill it with all manner of shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:20:26 2021 No.18122228 >>18122097 ASMR. That's actually what it scientifically is called.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:21:53 2021 No.18122234 >>18122175 Why do you think I want to make these garbage anime threads better? I want /crit/ back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:22:56 2021 No.18122239 >>18122185 Link me if you do please.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:23:46 2021 No.18122241 >>18122029 you didn't change anything from when you posted this last thread. it's still shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:24:40 2021 No.18122246 >>18122228 I've used "pleasant tingle" to describe what anon was asking about. So I guess it works.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:27:11 2021 No.18122254 >>18122241 I'm not a moron. Either post reasoning or I literally don't care that you say it's bad. It obviously needs work, figuring how to improve it is why I'm here, but it's not "shit".

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:28:34 2021 No.18122259

>>18122234
I want it back too but not in the version it became; and sure as ever-living shit without the gay discord offshoots. Every single time they fill up with refugees from "other communities" who never post anything to be critiqued, never critique anything themselves, and restrict themselves exclusively to shitposting among their roving ingroups. This is, of course, entirely too much to ask, so I'd just as soon not see /crit/ return.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:32:11 2021 No.18122275

>>18122184
For real. What they are really saying is, "how not to be a hack writer like me."

Seriously, your story should be thought up independent of all of this nonsense. It's fine to compare it after the fact, and ask yourself why you have or want to make the decisions you are making with it, but to start with all of it or anything else out there on 'how to write' is to miss the point entirely and pretty much guarantee what you produce is going to be shit.

P.S. I don't often enter these threads here. I remember when they didn't exist. Personally, I think they are an attempt to turn /lit/ into yet another of the internet's left-wing cat lady writing forum abominations.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:33:01 2021 No.18122277

>>18121819
>“Burly Detective” Syndrome
>“Ing Disease,”

>False Humanity
- I don't think that's the case, but online readers say that I put too many casual life scenes.
>Squid in the Mouth
>Squid on the Mantelpiece
>You Can’t Fire Me, I Quit

>The Kitchen-Sink Story
A couple of times, to be fair.
>Re-Inventing the Wheel

>Card Tricks in the Dark
What do you mean people might not care about what I thought of Quantum Mind theory?

>The Edges of Ideas

>Funny-hat characterization

>Viewpoint glitch - once.

That was interesting.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:35:17 2021 No.18122285

>>18122275
>Personally, I think they are an attempt to turn /lit/ into yet another of the internet's left-wing cat lady writing forum abominations.
As a pseudo-tourist myself, maybe Cormac McCarthy had the right idea about not entertaining the company of other writers.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:36:56 2021 No.18122293

>>18122275
4chan will never be left-wing so long as left-wing is the dominant culture, this place is and has always been contrarian.
What thread IS, is a place for novice writers to console themselves with useless tips and discussion instead of actually sharing work and improving. Just like a thread of artists who just want to jabber nonsense about whether they should paint their cat or their dog instead of actually posting their art pieces and having others point out where they can improve.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:37:52 2021 No.18122295

>>18122254
>post reasoning
this shit is teeming with cringe. have you read your own monologue?
>So much progress made...
>...and yet...
>...so much more to go.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But there's something wrong.
is this supposed to be an anime script? because that's what it reads like. it's almost comic.
you're vomiting exposition without making me want to care. philosophical one-liners out of nowhere. cardboard characters that nobody can empathize with.

>Don’t do it. That’s my final wish. You broke your last promise. Promise me, and this time don’t break it
>Okay. I promise
>Abraham? What the hell are you doing
>Breaking a promise

okay my bad. it's a comedy piece after all

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:37:55 2021 No.18122296

>>18122275
In order to break the rules you need to be aware of them. And it's not as if most of those rules are something obscure, they're real writing bad practices that should produce a feeling of disgust to good writers, even if you've never heard of them.

My personal favorite is repetition. Repetition of words in the same sentence or the same paragraph, I love to do it. And usually when you're unaware of it, it's a bad thing because it betrays a lack of thought or vocabulary and tires out the reader.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:39:07 2021 No.18122301

>>18121819
>Useless ornament in prose, such as fancy sesquipedalian Latinate words where short clear English ones will do. Novice authors sometimes use “gingerbread” in the hope of disguising faults and conveying an air of refinement. (Attr. Damon Knight)
I disagree with this slightly. Don't go full out Henry James, but preferably don't go full out Hemingway either; find your own damn prose style, ornate or simple, and run with it. SF isn't exactly known for its prose either

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:39:08 2021 No.18122303 >>18122296 Yeah man, you really should be aware of the rules against white people and male characters wanting sex.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:39:47 2021 No.18122308 >>18121819 >brutal but I needed to read that

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:42:47 2021 No.18122325

>>18122296
>In order to break the rules you need to be aware of them.
Yes, yes, of course. But I'm of the mind that this is handled after a first draft during the self-editing process. And betas will find even more issues later on. What I despise is advice like this that comes up front before a work has even been put together. i think it stifles creativity. And for your work to have any chance it's going to need to have something new about it going on.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:43:26 2021 No.18122329

>>18122293
where are the crit threads? when I was on lit a lot in the past couple years there was always a crit thread, I even made them, but there was always one working its way to the bump limit. those are much more helpful than a writers general, which just bring up a bunch of lame ass questions from retards who are trying to find excuses not to write or think they have the greatest fucking idea.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:45:22 2021 No.18122348

>>18122295
Fair advice. The dialogue needs to be reworked so it sounds meaningful without being cringe. That's something I know I can do, I just didn't put in the effort to do so yet since the line between cringe and profound is a fine one. Although I think in the first instance you linked you're overreacting, it's not that bad.
But a bigger concern I have is that the characters are cardboard and flat. You really think that? The short film in question is only like 7 minutes long so there's not a whole lot of time to develop deep attachment, but I don't want them to be overly unrelatable.

>>18122329
Yeah, it's weird. I think they just agreed to do /crit/ in here but then obviously people just stopped giving a shit since this place is filled with so many pseuds.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 09:49:12 2021 No.18122369

>>18122325
I mean that's a different story entirely. The article isn't a comment on the writing process. Someone who's so jostled by random advice that they obsess with it aren't likely to be successful anyway.
Writing is a creative process, not a lego set. The article is still a very good reminder.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:01:51 2021 No.18122423

>>18122348
it is pretty bad anon, but i'm not going to change your mind if you're convinced otherwise.
the main character is a stock edgy protagonist, for lack of a better word. saffron's entire personality is that she's in love this proganosit. his sidekick aaron has no character at all, no purpose other than being the supposed morality check.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:08:23 2021 No.18122464

>>18122423
I don't disagree with you. I was thinking that myself, but the problem is that I don't get how to develop well-rounded personalities in a mere 7 minutes of film.
I'm sure I can make the main character less edgy, I can make everything less cringe in general and more meaningful. But the fact is that I need to make you CARE about these characters, and I'm probably going to have to rewrite it from scratch since it's so difficult to do so in such a short time frame.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:14:17 2021 No.18122503 >>18122464 post it here when you do

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:20:27 2021 No.18122539

>>18122301
Agreed, and I personally enjoy writing and reading ornate prose. But it's understandable that it's a niche and most publishers don't want it. Also, while writers might whine about it, it's good to know what the industry perspective is and how they consider such writing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:29:48 2021 No.18122592 >>18121819 Succinct and useful, thank you for sharing anon.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:53:17 2021 No.18122715

>>18122464
>I don't get how to develop well-rounded personalities in a mere 7 minutes of film.
Small, vivid touches. It's a similar constraint to a short story, where you have to learn how to imply things compellingly. When you don't have enough time and space to fully flesh things out, you have to get good at leaving breadcrumbs and packing extra meaning and nuance into the time you've got.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:54:19 2021 No.18122724

https://files.catbox.moe/cn64h3.png

These are the female characters in my novel.

Whom do you think is best girl?

NOTE: I AM NOT WRITING A LN OR ISEKAI OR LITRPG OR ANY OF THAT DUMB SHIT. I just used Koikatsu to create a visual representation of my characters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 10:58:20 2021 No.18122749 >>18122724 This is why /crit/ thread people never enter this thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:04:42 2021 No.18122791 >>18122724 kys

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:08:42 2021 No.18122811 >>18122724 >>>/vt/

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:29:18 2021 No.18122942 >>18122749 >>18122791 >>18122811 What's wrong with designing your characters? It helps you envision what you're writing better. It only looks like anime because of the program.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:32:26 2021 No.18122962 >>18122942 fanfiction-tier writers are frowned upon

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:36:01 2021 No.18122989 >>18122962 I recently made money from one of my short stories, traditionally published. If you haven't ever made money from your writing, you need to STFU.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:36:33 2021 No.18122990

>>18122942
Designing your character is fine. It's how you design it that these guys took issue to. If you care about anonymous dick stroking, try classical pencil sketches instead. They all seem pretty stereotypical, but the one I hate the least is revenge driven

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:36:46 2021 No.18122991 >>18122942 post literature on lit not anime pics

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:38:39 2021 No.18123002 >>18122991 They are characters within a literary work.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:40:48 2021 No.18123013

>>18123002
then post some of their fucking dialog or the actual words you are gonna use to describe them, using pictures like this is a crutch that is utterly useless, especially if the reads are never going to see them. Also your character descriptions are cringe af. You seem like you have never been laid before and made some shit haram and you come in here asking who is best girl. what a waste of time

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:43:41 2021 No.18123025

>>18123013
>then post some of their fucking dialog or the actual words you are gonna use to describe them
>durr post your work on 4chan, nothing can go wrong!

Everything I write is intended to be traditionally published someday. I'm not going to post my prose on 4chan and have it linked back to the ebil nazi site.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:45:00 2021 No.18123035 >>18122052 Not what it says. Learn to read first.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:45:06 2021 No.18123036 >>18123025 dude I can tell from your post that nothing you write will ever be more than anime shit anyway so might as well post it

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:46:52 2021 No.18123044 >>18123036 >that nothing you write will ever be more than anime shit Wrong. I make money from my traditionally published writing. Unless you have also done so in the past, everything you say is of no merit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:49:19 2021 No.18123054 >>18123044 good for you, now fuck off and stop shitting up threads with weeb anime shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:49:37 2021 No.18123056 >>18123044 Post proof or nobody cares. People lying about being self published or whatever the fuck on amazon books and making money off their shit is super common. That, or do a writing prompt and show us you're good at prose.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 11:58:59 2021 No.18123112 Some dude just offered me $495 for a copy edit of a 33,000 word novella. Need it or keep it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:03:03 2021 No.18123137 File: 191 KB, 1012x940, Screen Shot 2021-04-27 at 12.01.15 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How should I feel about my beta reader's response?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:06:00 2021 No.18123154 >>18123112 Sounds like a good deal to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:07:53 2021 No.18123166 >>18123137 tl;dr some cool ideas but bland characters. So standard genre fiction

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:08:56 2021 No.18123178 >>18123137 Dat second paragraph on improvement doe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:08:57 2021 No.18123179 I feel like I have some sort of autism or sociopathy that prevents me from writing characters people would care about, are there any books that teach empathy for writing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:09:48 2021 No.18123183 File: 72 KB, 1200x675, merch-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18123166 How bad is that for sales

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:11:50 2021 No.18123195 >>18123183 Covers sell books, the rest don't matter

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:12:49 2021 No.18123202 >>18121109 I hate anime so much. It's so fucking repulsive and every drawing is a polished turd.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:13:16 2021 No.18123206 File: 112 KB, 1122x900, 988.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18123178 no women in my lit lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:15:39 2021 No.18123217 >>18123195 This, make sure your cover art and synopsis are interesting and that's all that matters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:17:36 2021 No.18123228 >>18123206 Lmao but that's kinda apart of the theme. All the women are like generic male fantasies and it makes the character bored and unfulfilled.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:18:12 2021 No.18123235

>>18121819
>False Humanity
>An ailment endemic to genre writing, in which soap-opera elements of purported human interest are stuffed into the story willy-nilly, whether or not they advance the plot or contribute to the point of the story. The actions of such characters convey an itchy sense of irrelevance, for the author has invented their problems out of whole cloth, so as to have something to emote about.

Can someone break this down for me, I have no fucking clue what it means

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:20:52 2021 No.18123255 >>18123202 I like anime and I've made money off of my writing.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:23:13 2021 No.18123271

>>18123235
I assume it's things like love triangles, estranged parents/children, unhappy relationships, huge drama based off miscommunications or assumptions that a reasonable person would resolve with a simple conversation. You can ask yourself "are these characters acting like they are in a soap opera/ are they acting super retarded just to be able to EMOTE?"

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:23:25 2021 No.18123273

>>18123255
NIGGER, I've made literal hundreds of thousands of dollars off being a highly skilled programmer then reinvesting that into a wide variety of altcoins and liquidity pools over the years.
Yep, you probably don't give a shit. Likewise, I don't give a shit about your money. What we are here for is your WRITING. Post it, or forever be a worthless failure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:32:54 2021 No.18123324 >>18123273 Nice larp lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:46:31 2021 No.18123394 >>18123324 >it's larp to have made money from a normal job what world are you living in. Even a regular pay of 60-90k adds up to hundreds of thousands over time and programmers can make even more than that depending.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:49:18 2021 No.18123414

>>18121819
>Adam and Eve Story
>Nauseatingly common subset of the “Shaggy God Story” in which a terrible apocalypse, spaceship crash, etc., leaves two survivors, man and woman, who turn out to be Adam and Eve, parents of the human race!!

I have a slight element of this in my story, but it only serves as a red herring to a different twist i.e. none of the elements of the trope actually happen, but now I'm wondering if I should just cut it entirely.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:50:22 2021 No.18123426

>>18123324
Larp? Jesus christ, my portfolio is only 500k after 7 years of work. That's pretty bad considering I literally save 50k a year. I've had a lot of bad losses that ultimately led to me playing too safe in the crypto bull markets. 60% profit with how crypto has done these past years is painfully bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:52:23 2021 No.18123440 File: 39 KB, 500x500, artworks-000453876690-8buzsx-t500x500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Give me an original non cliche idea. I'm convinced that there are no new ideas.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:52:42 2021 No.18123443

>>18121819
these kinds of checklist approaches really exemplify the workshop disease. better to think about fiction in terms of dramatic or emotional effect and then learn (or invent) techniques and patterns to inspire them in the reader than run your fiction through these narrow sieves. these boomers have also lost touch with what readers actually want to read these days and end up only writing for each other.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:53:35 2021 No.18123445 >>18123440 What if smoking's actually good for you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:53:39 2021 No.18123446 >>18123440 Good for you that the collective memory of humanity is non-existent

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:53:51 2021 No.18123448 >>18123440 A group of people are trapped inside a box with a door up near the ceiling. They are provided with a constant supply of food. To escape from the box, they must build a pile of their own shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:55:35 2021 No.18123456 >>18123448 What if they just... piled the food instead?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:55:47 2021 No.18123458 what software/program is the best for writing or notetaking? I feel like I've tried everything

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:56:30 2021 No.18123467

>>18123440
Okay uhm, a girl is convinced she was raped as a child because she was all these memories of an alien abduction, so she goes to all these support groups and is one of those #metoo people but then it turns out she was actually abducted and the aliens are using her memories they are stealing out of her to create convincing human hybrids that she’s unknowingly birthed

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:57:23 2021 No.18123473

>>18123414
this is exactly what i'm talking about btw. it makes sense to leave it in imo because the effect is precisely to twist the initial expectation and to twist it you obviously need to set it up. if you look at it in terms of effect and technique, then it makes sense, but apply a checklist and you end up throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

i really recommend everyone itt read "the science of screenwriting" by paul gulino. or at least watch the interview he did on youtube about the book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:57:30 2021 No.18123474 >>18123448 Relax Pynchon

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:58:25 2021 No.18123477 File: 39 KB, 500x459, 1611353455287.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18121819 What in the goddamn is this vocabulary? Saying it's ultrapseudo would be an understatement.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:58:51 2021 No.18123482 >>18123458 i use trello for research notes. there's better paid tools though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:59:29 2021 No.18123483 Should I be worried if I have characters in different stories with similar arcs? Like, a nice guy becoming an edgelord, or an edgelord becoming a nice guy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 12:59:54 2021 No.18123484 >>18123448 reminds me of the film, the platform

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:01:46 2021 No.18123492 >>18123440 A man sued for plagiarizing a story is sure he was the first one to write it, in his investigation he finds out the person suing him is himself from the future

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:14:14 2021 No.18123558 >>18123483 >a nice guy becoming an edgelord Can you anime fuckers just die?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:16:59 2021 No.18123569 >>18123558 The decay of morality over a book's lifespan is a very good trope though.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:18:49 2021 No.18123581

>>18123440
It's summer in a small country town. A man wants to win a competition where people sculpt wood with chainsaws. His chainsaw breaks and he needs to go to the shop, riding his motorcycle. On the way he meets various people who help or hinder him, introducing us to the folk of the town.
Upon returning home he discovers his unfinished sculpture has disappeared. He follows the tracks into the woods, where he is attacked and killed.
Focus shifts to other characters in town for the rest of the book, and the readers are made privy to the thoughts and actions of several townsfolk. We are however never given a clear account of them during the time the initial protagonist was attacked, readers must piece together clues themselves as to who had a motivation, who had the means, who had an alibi, trying to track their movements and actions. There is no detective here. The book takes place over a single day from morning to evening, and it ends without any of the townsfolk having discovering the deceased man.
One of them did it. Can you figure out who it was?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:20:39 2021 No.18123591 >>18123581 IT WAS ME

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:21:04 2021 No.18123595 >>18123591 YOU?!?

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:23:52 2021 No.18123607
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>List of actions a character could have taken, but didn’t. Frequently includes all the reasons why. In this nervous mannerism, the author stops the action dead to work out complicated plot problems at the reader’s expense. “If I’d gone along with the cops they would have found the gun in my purse. And anyway, I didn’t want to spend the night in jail. I suppose I could have just run instead of stealing their car, but then … ” etc. Best dispensed with entirely.
Oh this hit close to home. I had no idea this was a bad thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:25:46 2021 No.18123618 Writing a dissertation in the humanities. Wish I was writing a novel instead. Anyone else feeling this? (Grass is always greener)

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:31:35 2021 No.18123646 >>18123440 The murderer of the novel turns out to be the market for detective fiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:33:57 2021 No.18123661 >>18122052 it seems that a lot of that advice is supposed to burn away any sense of personality from whatever work is being workshopped

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:35:18 2021 No.18123671 >>18123440 A jew gives all his money away

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:37:48 2021 No.18123686 File: 14 KB, 410x358, 1619545048872.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18123591 I've got a sworn statement from (You) that THIS MAN, SALVATORE MARONI, is the new head of the Falconi crime family

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:39:44 2021 No.18123703 how do you all go on about planning your story? i got so many notes i don't know how to properly organize them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:41:57 2021 No.18123718 >>18123703 I cannonballed into the far deep-end of the pool and just started writing. So basically pants writing with some plotting of larger plot points.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:44:36 2021 No.18123733 >>18121819 I was good until Dennis Hopper Syndrome

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 13:54:41 2021 No.18123792 >>18121819 They must hate any book that isn't completely groundbreaking

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 14:11:51 2021 No.18123892 >>18123703 Think of main characters and their conflict and some scenes. Write what I want until I write enough to understand where am I going.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 14:13:03 2021 No.18123898 File: 107 KB, 606x395, nodiscernable.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18121819 "No!"

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 14:16:12 2021 No.18123918 >>18123792 Given their statements on gonzo and experimental fiction, they also don't want you to think too far put of the box. It's also odd how they mention Harlan Ellison when he breaks half of their dumb rules.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 14:38:33 2021 No.18124027

>>18123918
I think the point is that you should not over-do these things, as they are common mistakes and if you think you are groundbreaking for doing these types of things, you are in-fact not, you are a cliché SF writer who has not read enough.

They seem to appreciate pushing the boundaries but also they have probably heard enough trash SF to know when to call it what it is.

These do not seem to be hard rules merely guidelines and shorthand, go-to labels to help guide the discourse of writing groups.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 14:50:08 2021 No.18124087 >>18123137 How did you find your beta readers and would you recommend it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 14:50:17 2021 No.18124090 Is it bad if I put a story in the middle which doesn't really effect the main plot. More has to do with general themes. Beta reader said he wondered why it was put there.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 14:53:09 2021 No.18124097

>>18124087
Fiverr. And kinda, I have the money so I figured why not and he reaffirmed a lot of my suspicions but I already knew they were there. I am trying to fix some of the things he said though. If you have money ya, if not ask a friend or family member. Save money for the editing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 14:56:15 2021 No.18124110 >>18124087 Joined a Discord and started critiquing other peoples work and posting my own. Eventually, a couple of people asked if I wanted to do a Chapter4Chapter swap, so now I have a few beta readers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 14:57:05 2021 No.18124116 >>18124027 >They seem to appreciate pushing the boundaries by setting boundries that would discount the majority of scifi writers that aren't just aping the american golden age, right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 15:05:45 2021 No.18124165 File: 50 KB, 625x589, 1619537955349.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18121109 Rate my pitch. Please. https://www.reddit.com/user/johndavidcard/comments/mrqwjz/concept_pitch_shameless_fundraising/

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 15:06:37 2021 No.18124171 >>18124165 >https://www.reddit.com/user/johndavidcard/comments/mrqwjz/concept_pitch_shameless_fundraising/ Too long, ever heard of an elevator pitch?

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 15:16:22 2021 No.18124214
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>>18124165
Just realized that you were the Mormon and People Mover guy the second time around reading this. Not sure what to say. I still think you're kinda scummy asking for money just to have it written.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 15:20:28 2021 No.18124240 >>18121819 >first trope "brenda starr dialogue" >everything must have a determined setting and time frame Holy retardation

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 15:23:06 2021 No.18124253 [DELETED]

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>>18124214
I'm actually up to four books now.
https://www.reddit.com/user/johndavidcard/comments/mtfs6q/shortform_links_bibliography/

Please. You know I'm good and have the work ethic. Just $50 to the paypal in that pitch keeps me renting and eating (and writing) for a week.

You know why I haven't been shilling so hard the last two weeks here? Because I've been writing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 15:55:50 2021 No.18124404 >>18121819 gonna get to this right after i become a filmmaker by watching cinemasins

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:07:17 2021 No.18124464 >>18124404 Based advice ignorer

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:12:09 2021 No.18124478 Was the world always so intolerant as it is now? I refuse to believe people were always so sarcastic and assholey for no reason at all. Is wanting to dominate other people a fundamental human emotion? If so, is there a way out?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:23:11 2021 No.18124537 >>18124478 Write what's on your mind is that way.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:31:50 2021 No.18124590

>>18124253
i clicked on one of these and i couldn't make it past the first paragraphs of the amazon preview. your grammar is wonky, the dialogue is awkward, you misuse basic expressions and the way you emphasize random words with italics is straight-up disgusting. you shouldn't be asking me for money, you should be paying me to read it and underline all the mistakes. i'd sooner donate the $50 to nambla because at least their violatory deeds will not be performed in public.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:32:48 2021 No.18124596 >>18124478 You can only deal with people far, far below your skill level for so long before you start to detest them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:40:43 2021 No.18124639 >>18124253 shilling faggot get a real job

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:42:48 2021 No.18124654

Any advice on cosmic horror? How many words should the book be. How do I make the "impact" so the reader could feel the fear, not just gore porn, but more psychological, that sticks and makes the reader afraid of dark, something like that, for a few days...

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:42:59 2021 No.18124655 >>18124478 Individualism has made everyone a narcissist by necessity

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:43:23 2021 No.18124659

>>18121109
>Suggested books on getting your fucking work done you lazy piece of shit:
>>Deep Work
>>Atomic Habits
I've always seen these two book reccended, are they that good? I'm not above buying self-help books like other anons are on /lit/, but most self-help books are kinda bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:54:06 2021 No.18124711 >>18122724 >imaginationlet

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:56:40 2021 No.18124721

Annie saw an off-white shelf tainted by years of misuse. The top shelf reached her shoulders. It remained steady, even under the pressure of the many classics works it had been holding for decades. She kneeled, running her fingers over the rough, leathery spine of 'The Illiad', dragging it forward, tracing it down to the works of Faulkner, which were bound by worn-out, green felt.

At the end, below a dog-eared copy of 'Lolita', she found a rusted nail. She peered into the corners and found the three misshapen nails that were holding the shelf together.

The library hadn't been open in several years. The squatter, though well read, must have been dirty and careless. Slamming heavy books, with weights measuring in years, as if he owned the stories because he found a copy. This busted shelf was no place to keep books.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:56:41 2021 No.18124722 >>18123440 I wanted a harem of cute girls but got a harem of machi men instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:57:42 2021 No.18124731 >>18122749 Where can I find /crit/ people?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:58:20 2021 No.18124735 >>18124659 >work for long periods of time on one thing without interruption >make habits as small as possible to overcome starting inertia there, now you don't have to read them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 16:58:21 2021 No.18124736 >>18122724 sorry man none of them are barefoot so it's hard to be interested

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:01:45 2021 No.18124755 >>18124654 Read some cosmic horror and take notes from that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:03:40 2021 No.18124764 >>18121109 Are beta readers just a meme? Especially for literary fiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:08:11 2021 No.18124792 >>18124722 I was convinced i had a harem of girls lusting for my dick and kept playing dumb to get max benefits without choosing one but it turns out they didn't really like me and it was all in my head

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:16:54 2021 No.18124815 >>18124764 Depends on the story

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:29:49 2021 No.18124880 >>18124711 Wrong, I imagined all these characters in my imagination before creating them. They burst out of my mind and into my pornographic game window.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:30:44 2021 No.18124884 >>18124721 Is this too short for critique? It's from the write what you know thread.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:35:48 2021 No.18124908

>>18124884
This isn't technically the critique thread. If you just dump stuff without any indication people are going to ignore it. You mention a squatter out of nowhere and I'm not sure if that is meant to mean the shelf or literally some hobo who happened to be nearby. Grammar and punctuation seem good compared to what usually gets posted.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:38:41 2021 No.18124928

>>18124908
>You mention a squatter out of nowhere and I'm not sure if that is meant to mean the shelf or literally some hobo who happened to be nearby.
Thanks. As with most free form writing, I switched topics halfway through. It was originally just supposed to be about a bookcase, but I figured I should make it about a hobo in a library and the end for some reason.

Where should I go to get critique? I want to learn how to write like a 'real author.'

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:44:28 2021 No.18124965

>>18124928
Honestly, I don't know. As much as I said this isn't a thread for critique it's not like you have any other options period. If you're going to dump random excerpts next time I imagine mentioning in your post you want critique will probably suffice. Just be warned that this isn't a hugbox and most who will bother will show you hardly anything considered constructive criticism.

> I want to learn how to write like a 'real author.'
Just write and figure it out along the way. Write what you want to read and all that. And personally, this is me, but don't write like someone from the 20th century if you ever hope to publish it in any form of capacity. Just write like a author, not a 'real author' whatever the hell that even means.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:47:03 2021 No.18124978 >>18124965 An additive to the ending of your post, write in your voice, not an imitation of someone else's. And if you're not happy with your voice, work on changing it.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:48:02 2021 No.18124986

>>18124965
>If you're going to dump random excerpts next time I imagine mentioning in your post you want critique will probably suffice.
I usually do that, don't know why I didn't do it this time. I think I figured people would know.

>Just be warned that this isn't a hugbox
I appreciate that, part of why I'm avoiding Reddit.

>most who will bother will show you hardly anything considered constructive criticism
This has been a huge problem for me.

>'real author.'
I mean I can already write like a YAfag, but I don't know how to write like McCarthy. That's what I want to learn. Also part of why I'm avoiding Reddit; I don't like the 'you're good already' mentality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:48:33 2021 No.18124988 >>18124986 but anon, you are good already. :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:50:22 2021 No.18125000 >>18124986 >I mean I can already write like a YAfag, but I don't know how to write like McCarthy. Good lord, fuck no. We don’t need more pseuds.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:53:50 2021 No.18125020 >>18124988 :( >>18125000 I don't mean McCarthy specifically. I just want to REALLY learn what separates people like him from YA trash. I'm not trying to write the next Ulysses, I just want to write my shitty Vampire X Mermaid stories really well.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:56:02 2021 No.18125038

Would anyone be willing to read the first couple chapters (or even just pages) of my first-ever novel?

I've written 13 chapters so far but I've separated the first 3 onto a doc for people to read, if anyone's interested. Mostly for general critiques on my prose.

Also... does /wg/ have a discord?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 17:59:22 2021 No.18125057 >>18125038 >discord you're on the wrong site.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:01:09 2021 No.18125068 >>18125057 well we had a discord for the /lit/ book club, idk man. I don't even really use discord unless its for a specific purpose I just want my shit critiqued

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:01:45 2021 No.18125074 >>18125038 Discord killed /crit/. 4chan in general avoids Discord because it invalidates the core value of the site. Post your writing anyways and someone will help eventually.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:01:47 2021 No.18125075 >>18125020 Anon, just do what the animefags do and just write and worry about that on your second or third draft.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:05:17 2021 No.18125106 >>18125075 Didn't Cormac say somewhere that he doesn't even bother plotting things out? That he just goes where the writing takes him?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:06:35 2021 No.18125114 >>18125074 can you explain to me what happened to /crit/? I really miss those threads, how did discord kill it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:06:35 2021 No.18125115 >>18125106 What kind of a fag plots things out? Maybe once you are a few drafts in.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:07:12 2021 No.18125121 >>18125115 I do, I'm interested in why you say that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:08:21 2021 No.18125124 >>18125115 I plot things out for most stories, especially for my big project. For this one story I'm working on though, I just have a general idea of where to take it and what needs to be done and I'm working toward it from there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:09:12 2021 No.18125129 >>18125038 Just post it and someone might read it. Might do it, but no promises.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:11:21 2021 No.18125147 >>18125074 Not to say you can't get good criticism here, because I have, but no one is going to read backlog to find writing to critique. You're better off finding someone offering.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:13:58 2021 No.18125165
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>Any progress on your novels?
Yes, I'm done now. I was never going to become the next Faulkner, the next Nabokov or the next Joyce, but I hid behind the language barrier to avoid criticism for months, maintaining an illusion that was fun to live in while it lasted. I had thought my country's education system was topmost in the world, but this turned out to be utter bollocks. A child of 18, a person ten years my junior, has a greater vocabulary than I, who had to look up the word “topiary”, and no one likes the expression theory of art anymore, I am likened to a long lost dinosaur.
This will be my final post on /lit/. I've been humiliated and exposed as a fraud. My writing is pretentious, infantile, banal drivel. My observations are dull, my language grade school level. My tenses are mixed up; I use colloquialisms, ellipses and onomatopoeia. I mix tired and trite idioms together to obfuscate their unoriginality with a veneer of irony; I have continued to recite ornate Jewish chimpanzee parables with diminishing returns. The parable seemed very clearly to me to be asking me whether or not the now-grown-adult can choose. I say yes, of course, but that's not my issue.
I was never cut out for writing. I began writing my "book" on January 6th. Since then I've produced 82 thousand words for it. These words are a tide of garbage without value, without insight, without form. The themes of time, space, infinity, memory and pointless duelling are not present in my work. It was never real writing, it was anime and weebshit. Look how many words I wrote, because apparently literature is bodybuilding and just aimlessly typing will somehow improve my writing. I don't even know what genre it is that I'm writing. Is it autofiction? A comedy? A picaresque?
Regardless, I have failed. I have put down my pen. Never again will my fingers click-clack across the keyboard. No more outlines, no more characters. Goodbye

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:15:06 2021 No.18125176 >>18125074 Good to know. That makes sense. Thanks! >>18125129 >>18125074 What file format should I use/how should I post it? 4chan ain't letting me post as a pdf

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:15:14 2021 No.18125177

>>18125121

Which method will bring more and better ideas, following a plan you settled on already, probably when you were focused just on that and weren't actually writing, or just having a general idea where you want to go and making things up as you go along, when your head is more in it?

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:20:59 2021 No.18125214

>>18125177
I went without a significant plot in mind for the first two books in my book series and it made the books slow down significantly. It wasn't until I added a loose plot to my third book and some general direction that wasn't "have an adventure" that something really came together.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:28:28 2021 No.18125266 >>18125176 >google doc >pastebin

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:30:33 2021 No.18125275 https://pastebin.com/WU09V0Vp First 3 chapters (24 pages) of my first-ever novel. Would love some critiques, even if its just on the first few pages. Sorry in advance for the cancerous formatting. Pastebin is kinda shit >>18125129 >>18125068

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:31:18 2021 No.18125281 >>18125275 Private.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:32:08 2021 No.18125285 >>18125275 Link is broken. Just throw it on google drive as a pdf and generate a public link for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:39:42 2021 No.18125336 https://docs.google.com/document/d/163SprYp3PTrv0NqM6ieMQaCx38MBlcWhjhGHZR1sMKo/edit?usp=sharing >>18125275 >>18125285 >>18125281 wow I absolutely hate pastebin

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:45:14 2021 No.18125367

>>18125336
Right off the bat, it seems like you're more concerned with sounding artsy than you are with writing well. Unironically, read more.

>we know the main character is shivering like a wet dog
>we know he has a respirator thanks to something that reads like an information dump
>but we don't know who the fuck Sasha and Alex are

My guess is that you have a very clear picture in your head, and you're under the assumption that readers will somehow 'get it.'

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:47:05 2021 No.18125385 >>18125038 The Unreal Bros is more or less the unofficial, informal /wg/ discord.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:47:49 2021 No.18125395

>>18125367
>Right off the bat, it seems like you're more concerned with sounding artsy than you are with writing well

That's fair. Especially at the start but it lets up after a couple chapters once i get a flow going. I'll revisit the first few pages and take it down a notch

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:50:01 2021 No.18125406 >>18122942 Nothing. In fact it's a good lesson for writelet /lit/fags that using tools to assist your writing is very useful. Only the image is freaking huge.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:56:29 2021 No.18125445 >>18121109 How to tell if your writing sucks lads? Need a three step method at most.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:58:48 2021 No.18125453 >>18125445 1) can you finish it? if yes 2) can you read it aloud? if yes 3) can you read it aloud to others?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:59:49 2021 No.18125462 >>18125445 Step 1. Write Step 2. Read what you wrote Step 3. Realize that it does indeed suck We all suck, don't worry about it Try reading your writing aloud and see how hard you cringe

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:02:10 2021 No.18125477 >>18125445 Format it like a published novel, order a copy from Barnes and Noble's printing service, and then read it. If you can't imagine it actually being a published novel that you can find on the shelf, it sucks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:03:28 2021 No.18125491 >>18125445 I know when I read something and it makes me physically ill or slightly nauseous.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:12:04 2021 No.18125535

>>18125453
>>18125462

I'll do that as soon as I can get some privacy for that, I need a dry run. Thanks.

>>18125477
>>18125491

It didn't seem atrocious when I read it after I printed it out, but how do I know that my taste isn't shit, or that I don't just like it because I'm so familiar with it?

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:14:33 2021 No.18125548

>>18124721
You use adjectives three times to tell the books are used. Feels heavy-handed.
By the end all I know is it's a dilapidated library.
What I want to know is where this library is located. If the building is in a bad state, how is the place it's being kept? Is there water damage? Does it have a front door? That's what I'm wondering about. Also since you mention a squatter I'm wondering what the signs of that are.
Also
>running her fingers over the rough, leathery spine of 'The Illiad', dragging it forward
'dragging it along' seems better
Dragging and forward clash in description.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:16:15 2021 No.18125566 >>18125535 Knowing your taste/style is shit/unpopular can only be confirmed through feedback. Aside from that it's half talent, half reading what other people write.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:20:06 2021 No.18125598

>>18125445
1. for every chapter (or scene) write down what you had hoped to establish in the reader's mind, be it some expectation, sense of a character, emotion, suspense, etc.
2. rate each scene from 1-5 based on how well you established the above. 1 being not at all and 5 being perfectly.
3. compute the average, if it's below 3, your writing sucks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:37:37 2021 No.18125702 >>18125566 >>18125598 Thanks for the advice lads. I'll post some stuff for critique later. Are the /crit/ threads dead?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:40:36 2021 No.18125719 >>18125702 >Are the /crit/ threads dead? They've been dead for a while now with /wg/ being their replacement. /crit/ is not coming back.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:45:44 2021 No.18125749

>>18125719
>>18125702
We didn't replace anything. wg is wg and not a substitute for anything else. Crit has bad apples and that invites the bad apples over(again). I'd take the low-effort google question posts, and dumb schizo postings over this becoming crit(again). crit refugees on the other are fine, they should just know to put in their posts asking for critique rather than dumping it and hoping someone bites. But trying to establish say we're crit 2.0 makes me a little nervous.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:54:38 2021 No.18125811 >>18125749 What was up with crit if I may aks? I only use this site spordacially, just noticed that it's gone.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:02:50 2021 No.18125861 >>18125177 I kind of do both so idk

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:13:09 2021 No.18125918 >>18125811 No idea, I never ventured beyond /wg/, write what you know, and /sffg/ prior to /wg/'s creation. But the general consensus is it was a terrible gen all around.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:25:52 2021 No.18125995

The sky opened again, this time even wider, exposing an orange paste, dripping from its atmospheric skin like a sludge rain in colorful disguise. The air became contaminated with a chemical smell that burned nostrils and flared skin rashes. Small portions of the land and building were eaten up, and as people began to gain control—they scattered. There was no shelter, any haven would dissolve, leaving them exposed to the shower, dissolved in the deluge. No roof could have prevented the executioner’s water gun from spraying acid into a city-wide panic. Nothing could dissipate the anger from the cultivation of universal wrongs. They cried out from the atomization of their selves, but their tongues were snapped back by the onslaught. Despite the pain, a cry rang out in the streets, a screaming heard to all and caused by those few with tongues and a basic function to make noise left—and it pierced everyone and they stopped moving for an instant and they felt more pain from the cries than from their flesh burning.

Before an hour had passed all of the life in the city had been gobbled up, and an orange glob existed in the place that moments ago held life and structure—and it pulsated, and it laughed, and there was more for it to do and to kill and the end of days was not a red fire in the trail of four horsemen but a flubber of amorphous orange that changes properties and bounces about gathering mass and fear. There will be no news of its attack, no warning to arrive. There were subtle quiets among the starry night as it unfolded, unsettled by points of violent genocide, and quiet once again placing peace in pieces in place.

The orange mass was out of view only for a moment before someone emerged from the rubble; a thin man with brown hair and bandaged arms. His eyes were fixed onto the structure still in the sky. He knew what it was, had been planning for this day, but he had not planned for the chaos from before. He couldn't let it cloud his thoughts--it was random and horrific but it did not concern him. As he looked back to the sky, he saw the structure—well, fortress—become veiled in darkness, rendering it invisible. The man turned from the sky and darted into the woods, knowing that today would be the day that Seymour Kauffman would finally come out of hiding.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:36:11 2021 No.18126060

>>18125995
>the executioner’s water gun
dude
>>18125995
>but a flubber of amorphous orange that changes properties
>that changes properties
bit nondescript
>>18125995
>no warning to arrive
"no warning of its arrival" keeps form better
>>18125995
>The orange mass was out of view
'orange mass' seems a bit repetitive, I'd use 'the blob' or something similar unless you're worried about plagiarism
>>18125995
>He couldn't let it cloud his thoughts
I would avoid the contraction here, 'he could not let it cloud his thoughts' seems better

Other than that I like it. It's vivid and descriptive. Not sure about your liberal use of em dashes, but I'm no expert on punctuation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:38:20 2021 No.18126069 >>18126060 Oh never mind I misunderstood the >no warning to arrive part You still might want to reword it, clearly it confused at least me.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:45:23 2021 No.18126116

If my protagonist is the only character with a unique property central to the plot, but who only happened to obtain it through random circumstance and is otherwise free to do whatever he wants with it and isn't part of any prophecy or destiny, does that make him a Chosen One

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:46:32 2021 No.18126125 >>18126116 what ever u want baby gurl

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:52:02 2021 No.18126148 >>18126116 Only to the extent that you want him to be.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:57:14 2021 No.18126178

>>18125336
i left a few paragraphs of advice on the document. your biggest flaw is that your writing is thin and artificially poetic. you rely too much on metaphors to make your writing profound, and you consistently tell us how characters are feeling, but you never show them really behaving in the appropriate way. as a writing exercise, try to just avoid the words "is" and "feel" all together

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:02:56 2021 No.18126193

>>18126116
Nope. Chance is a perfectly serviceable plot device because it's its own defense. Now if you over use it, it loses charm and therefore value, but there's nothing wrong with having someone obtain a plot centric item by chance. It happened in Berserk and Death Note, inb4 kys anigay writer

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:27:25 2021 No.18126315
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Official NGMI writing list:
>you have never completed a novel before
>you have never made money off of non-self published writing
>you can't MLA format an essay properly
>you don't have a job in the field of writing
>you hate anime
>you only watch anime and don't read books
>you do not have traditional publishing as your goal
>you have ever written isekai or LitRPG
>you don't know how to format a dialogue tag
>you are afraid of "said"
>you hate speculative fiction (it is fine to be uninterested in writing it)
>you have a statue, historical emblem, or historical figure as your profile pic
>you believe in nofap

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:32:31 2021 No.18126345

>>18126315
>>you have never completed a novel before
3
>>you have never made money off of non-self published writing
oh...
>>you can't MLA format an essay properly
With Google I can :3
>>you don't have a job in the field of writing
oh...
>>you hate anime
I like anime :3
>>you only watch anime and don't read books
I read books...
>>you do not have traditional publishing as your goal
It's my dream and goal...
>>you have ever written isekai or LitRPG
my first book series was isekai before I knew was isekai was...
>>you don't know how to format a dialogue tag
how do people not know how to do this, dialogue is 300% easier than exposition
>>you are afraid of "said"
i ain't
>>you hate speculative fiction (it is fine to be uninterested in writing it)
i don't even know what that is
>>you have a statue, historical emblem, or historical figure as your profile pic
i have a Marvel comics character as my profile pic
>>you believe in nofap
no

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:37:17 2021 No.18126370

>>18125548
>You use adjectives three times to tell the books are used. Feels heavy-handed.
Never noticed that, thanks.

>By the end all I know is it's a dilapidated library.
I'll be honest, I started off trying to describe a shelf in detail, but I didn't know how to fill in space so I added the library bit at the end. Same with the squatter. I might try to write something bigger that includes everything.

>Dragging and forward clash in description.
Another thing I didn't notice, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:39:11 2021 No.18126381 >>18125165 good post

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:49:23 2021 No.18126439 >>18125165 Damn dude, if a teenager with a thesaurus can kill your drive then maybe you really never had what it takes

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:04:25 2021 No.18126541 what do you think of writing prompts? are they a good starting point?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:07:48 2021 No.18126561 File: 1.06 MB, 720x1280, 1618670020719.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's time to mess around and watch youtube and unwind but the hankering to write is too strong. We're hitting tipping points for the creative flow.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:12:20 2021 No.18126589 >>18124731 We have a discord

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:13:30 2021 No.18126596 >>18126541 I don't know. If they help people then it helps people. I'd rather just write on my fiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:13:55 2021 No.18126597 >>18126060 Thank you. I think the em dashes are just my thing. I was never formally educated.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:14:09 2021 No.18126599 >>18126561 This but exactly the opposite. It's time to write but the hankering to mess around on 4chan and watch YouTube is too strong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:19:20 2021 No.18126623 >>18126599 This for me as well. I had been itching to write all day, but now that I have the opportunity I don't want to do it any more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:23:20 2021 No.18126647 File: 186 KB, 750x750, SquirrelSquire.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18126599 If it makes you feel better almost 20 minutes later I'm still hanging out in the thread and watching short youtube clips. I'm getting to it though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:48:47 2021 No.18126774 >>18125165 see ya next week!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:50:40 2021 No.18126785 >>18126774 Newfag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:05:09 2021 No.18126858 >>18126623 Write anyway, I'll come back to you when you write.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:08:34 2021 No.18126874

>>18126785
Should I drop the timeloop aspect in my novel? I think it's been done to death in media and I can certainly write the story without it, but my use of it is limited and it adds a lot to the protagonist. I'm split. I might just write the narrative without the ability and see how I feel about it. The protag doesn't get it until towards the end of the first novel then plays with it throughout the second and is a defining characteristic of his which launches him to success. Volume three there's a timeskip and he's lost it, a big part of his arc is overcoming difficult situations without the crutch. I'd appreciate your insight /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:08:48 2021 No.18126875 >Writing something for a couple of days >Get to part where I have to think hard >stop writing for weeks Fuck man

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:12:07 2021 No.18126885 >reading The Once and Future King >Guenever had the audacity to smile when Lancelot rescued her after he had just killed Gareth and Gaheris >Gawaine sobbing in Arthur's arms That fucking hurt, bros.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:12:44 2021 No.18126887 >you're supposed to beg for /crit/ if you want any (you)'s seems kind of self indulgent but I guess posting excerpts is in general I just want to know people read what I post, I don't even need high effort critiques

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:13:08 2021 No.18126893 File: 1.58 MB, 300x204, 1379524027609.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >37k words of anime shit Only 50k more to go

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:14:09 2021 No.18126898 Is it safe to write a story that revolves around black gang culture? The main character (which is black) wants to leave the gang life behind and lead a normal life, having kids, a job, a wife

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:14:24 2021 No.18126900 >>18126785 I didn't mean to reply to you with that post, sorry anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:16:49 2021 No.18126911 >>18126898 Jesus fucking christ, just fucking write you little bitch and stop worrying about inane bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:21:04 2021 No.18126925 >>18126885 that one line in the beginning about Kay being the type of person that could never be what he aspired towards always gets me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:21:12 2021 No.18126926 >>18126898 black worshipping ebonics anon is that you? or are there more perverts with racial obsessions in the thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:25:18 2021 No.18126945 >>18126178 thanks man, appreciate the feedback

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:25:51 2021 No.18126949

>>18126874
just write your novel. worrying about these kinds of things will get you nowhere. just write the full novel and then if you hate the timeloop aspect you can revise it later. also, if it makes you feel any better, 99% of books that are being published right now are unoriginal and rely on old tropes to keep them afloat, and yet they're still being published and finding success. so just write your damn novel and worry about trivial things later

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:26:48 2021 No.18126954

>>18126887
I don't think of it as begging, just seems like etiquette to me. In the very brief stint that we had /crit/ in the thread title there was a bit at the OP's end informing people wanting critique to mention they were looking for feedback, but most people ignored it anyway and continued to dump stuff wondering why people weren't critiquing their work.

Post what you wanna post, even those stupid 'how do I do x' posts and posts whining about the OP. Maybe I'm just very jaded and pessimistic, but I Imagine most people don't care for stuff that are randomly dumped about. It makes me wonder if people mistake this for write for what's on your mind sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:33:50 2021 No.18126983 >>18126898 having niggers in your stories is never acceptable >b-but other people do it you are not joseph conrad

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:34:39 2021 No.18126985 >>18126178 I looked back over what i believe to be your edits. They're very good critiques and I really appreciate them. Thanks again

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:58:56 2021 No.18127089 >>18126983 having unga in your stories is never acceptable >b-but other people do it you are not bunga

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:13:06 2021 No.18127139 Is anyone wlse’s writings just fragments of notes and off-hand paragraphs about fictional geopolitics?

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:21:25 2021 No.18127168

>friend starts to into writing
>we share little short stories with each other
>he says that he feels like his stories are getting too long because he gets sucked into writing and having fun with it
feels good man
we're all gonna make it brehs, just bring a friend

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:22:10 2021 No.18127172 File: 86 KB, 1024x1024, 1532410711622.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18127168 >just bring a friend

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:25:07 2021 No.18127183 >>18121981 its the opposite. its easier than ever to make money from books now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:28:53 2021 No.18127200 >>18121109 https://mega.nz/fm/byoGQAzS I wrote this. It's bad. Tell me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:32:34 2021 No.18127217 >>18127200 I don't think that link worked. Post it on something like ghostbin instead,

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:35:41 2021 No.18127231 >>18127200 >linking your writing through a mega what a weird conclusion you came to use a bin, a screenshot, a google drive almost anything else

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:38:15 2021 No.18127250 >>18126315 >MLA format go back to highschool.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:52:46 2021 No.18127307 Yes. I fucking love niggers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:09:18 2021 No.18127374 >>18127217 >>18127231 Did not realize it wouldn't show, it usually does. Will post again through pastebin or something tomorrow.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:42:11 2021 No.18127475 >>18126954 >posts whining about the You forgot to mention shitting on the anime writers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:43:09 2021 No.18127480 >>18121109 Is 'An American Rhetoric' still a good book?

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:54:01 2021 No.18127503

What do you guys think of this story outline?

Main character is a 25-year-old Irish American woman. She is 1/4 selkie and 3/4 human

Introduction to main character
> main character works part time at a pet shop
> because of her magic animal heritage, she can talk to the pet shop animals, dogs, cats, snakes, turtles, parakeets, parrots, goldfish, etc.
> one morning, as main character is opening pet shop, a bird flies into the shop and tells her that she needs to go to the river right away
> an otter is trapped by a fishing line
> main character runs to river
> cuts line with penknife and frees the otter
> about to go back to work
> wait! say the animals
> the aquatic animals ask her for help because the river is full of trash, plastic bags, and discarded lines
> main character also has the power of super fast swimming
> she get a giant trash bag and rapidly cleans the river of debris
> by the time she’s done, she realizes that she abruptly left in the middle of her shift
> she goes and shop owner is locking up the store
> the shop owner is understanding, but as main character bikes home, she feels unhappy and regret
> she dropped out of college and got fired from her last few jobs because she kept running off to help the wild animals
> she doesn’t feel like she belongs in the human world
> she wants to find a place where she belongs

Dinner at home
> human dad has a job interview in Ireland
> he asks main character and her half-selkie mother to join him, as a mini family vacation
> mom's hometown is not that far from interview city
> maybe you can visit your human grandfather and find out more about your selkie grandmother, dad suggests
> half-selkie mom frowns

Ireland
> grandpa is a fisherman and goes out to the sea everyday to catch a glimpse of his selkie ex-wife
> he’s glad to meet his granddaughter for the first time
> her mother was traumatized after grandma abruptly turned back into a seal and went back into the ocean
> he takes main character out on a boat and main character swims to the seal colony
> it doesn’t go well
> can’t transform into a seal
> can’t swim as fast
> gets lost in the ocean
> gets tangled up in seaweed
> and despite all his language learning with the American animals, main character can’t speak selkie
> the selkies and seals laugh at main character

Meet selkie who conveniently speaks English
> selkie Pocahontas tells main character that she won’t be recognized as a selkie just because her grandma is a selkie
> she doesn't speak their language, she didn't grow up on a seal colony, she doesn’t know anything about seal history, seal culture, seal society, seal geography
> she suggests she go back to America and live a normal life as a human

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:55:03 2021 No.18127507

>>18127503
MacMuffin
> dejected, main character returns home
> grandpa has a macguffin that allows a person of selkie blood to turn permanently into a human
> he said that his half-selkie uncles and aunts are all now fully human and working in various cities in the European Union or Northern Ireland
> it strips them of the ability to talk to animals and super abilities, but they can get a human gf/bf, have a high paying job, and the EU has a high quality of life
> they no longer have compulsion to jump into water and save the ocean
> main character considers using the macmuffin and leading a normal life, go to college, get a bf, get a real job
> grandpa says he doesn’t know how to use the macmuffin though
> only grandma selkie knows how to turn on the macmuffin

Main character uses her special talents to save the day
> an Irish bird flies to main character and chirps frantically
> main character doesn’t understand
> half-selkie mother translates and says that there’s trouble in the ocean
> family goes to shore
> a seal very ill, he swallowed a piece of plastic
> it needs the help of humans
> main character and family rush the seal to a veterinarian
> vet operates on seal and saves its life

Decision
> main character takes mother, father, and grandpa to the seal colony
> they release the seal back into the ocean
> grandma selkie is there
> half-selkie mother and grandpa communicate with grandma in irish gaelic
> grandma is standing in front of the macmuffin
> she offers main character the chance to turn into a human
> main character refuses
> in her mind and heart, she loves the selkies, this is her purpose, to live near them and protect them, even if she can’t transform into a seal
> human father said that he got the job, so he can live in Ireland and help out main character
> half-selkie mother says that she’ll stay too and help teach main character the Irish language
> grandma selkie smiles and the macmuffin glows
> the water underneath main character and her family also glows
> main character wonders what is happening

One year later
> main character is the protectress of the sea, a selkie-human hybrid who can quickly shapeshift into both human and seal
> best friend Pocahontas selkie helps patrol the shore
> half-selkie mother studies to become a marine biologist and is now a teacher of Irish/selkie language
> human father works with human politicians and environmental agencies to protect the Irish seas from pollution and climate change
> selkie grandma and seal clan accept main character as one of their own

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:55:37 2021 No.18127509 >>18127503 I think you should write it and find out for yourself, instead of asking people online on how they feel about your story.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:57:17 2021 No.18127510 >>18127503 >that formatting >think I'm gonna read that shit >doesn't understand basic communication >no confidence in his own message and artistic intentions NGMI just write

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:00:46 2021 No.18127519 I don't understand this strange argument that I should refuse feedback or criticism about my work, but there's nothing I can do about this obsession of yours

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:04:23 2021 No.18127529 >>18127519 >hasn't written anything >feedback or criticism about my work haha what are you saying bro finish your first draft already damn lmao like just write how is insecurity real just like do your best and get it done lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:06:01 2021 No.18127533 File: 33 KB, 657x527, Ylpee apu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] My mom said she likes the way I describe "events and situations".

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:06:26 2021 No.18127534

>>18127503
>>18127507
Very bizarre anon. Not something I'd read
>female, empathetic protagonist
>always doing stupid shit and helping animals instead of herself
>no tension beyond animals being in danger and her obvious choice
But would it be a good story? Perhaps. It all comes down to your prose and how well you can write the characters, setting, plot, etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:06:34 2021 No.18127535 >>18127529 ? there's an outline

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:07:49 2021 No.18127540 >>18127533 On paper or in speech? Different things.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:08:50 2021 No.18127542 >>18127540 On the screen since I write digitally.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:10:03 2021 No.18127545 >>18127540 >he doesn't write first person, recounting >he doesn't write with the same voice in which he tells stories verbally Yeah, maybe if you're a nerd who learned to tell stories from a stinky book instead of through social interaction

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:11:08 2021 No.18127547 >>18127534 >It all comes down to your prose and how well you can write the characters, setting, plot, etc idea guys could never understand that execution is the most important factor

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:16:54 2021 No.18127559

>>18127542
>On the screen
Don't be smart with me.

>>18127545
Although it's the same language being used, verbal story telling is much different to literary story telling. You can put words to a page which would sound daft coming out of your mouth. That being said, of course your voice and style will come through in your writing.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:17:49 2021 No.18127563

>>18127534
The low stakes thing is bothering too. I originally was thinking of a higher stakes scenario, with an antagonist businessman who sets up a polluting factory near the sea, and main character would investigate and lobby local politicians to shut it down, but I feared that would push it into a novel or novella length work, and I want to keep this a short story. I'm having trouble of thinking of a high stakes conflict but also keep the word count low

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:24:17 2021 No.18127590 >>18127559 Now that you have my answer, is this going anywhere?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:26:43 2021 No.18127593 >>18127590 If we don't have anything else to discuss, I'd like to congratulate you on the compliment. Good luck with your writing anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:28:30 2021 No.18127598 >>18127593 Thanks chief.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:38:00 2021 No.18127627 >>18127139 I'm ashamed to admit it, but I'm currently doing that right now. Though it's more about American Politics rather than geopolitics.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:00:09 2021 No.18127693 >>18127139 >>18127627 Word of advice, ignore politics and geopolitics. I think it’s better that way. Because you have some writers who don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about and ruins the world building of their stories.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:00:51 2021 No.18127696

>>18123607
This is kind of a tough spot. Readers are typically lazy and dumb. If you don't address some obvious possibilities in a more complex situation, you can be sure a lot of readers will ask "hurr why didn't he do x instead of y?" Or more likely, they will just dismiss it as shit writing without asking, if they can't immediately tell why. Explaining it will save your face with such readers but OH, EXPLAINING WAS ALSO WRONG, YOU'RE SIMPLY FUCKED WHATEVER YOU DO

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:05:57 2021 No.18127722

>>18127696
If you care about what a handful of readers shitpost about, then I'm sure your writing is doomed anyway. Having any measure of popularity means your work will be guaranteed misinterpreted and bastardized the second it's off the presses. Explaining things is a weak move and it won't stop people from misunderstanding anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:13:36 2021 No.18127759 >>18127722 The thing is, nobody starts out famous. Bad initial comments can prevent you from obtaining any measure of popularity, and of course explaining things properly prevents misunderstandings.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:17:15 2021 No.18127773 >>18127759 I've had a couple of my books start off with 1-star ratings from Amazon, and they've overcome that initial stigma easily. I've read that authors place a lot of values on reviews but readers and potential readers don't

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:17:30 2021 No.18127776

>>18127759
Someone taking the time to misunderstand your work is someone who reads it. When the issue comes up you're already enjoying moderate popularity, or people wouldn't take the time to read and discuss your writing. I'm not talking about misunderstandings born from bad writing or lack of clarity, because that's the author's fault, and it doesn't relate to the initial post.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:18:37 2021 No.18127784 >>18127773 Fuck off gardner

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:23:14 2021 No.18127801

>>18127776
>When the issue comes up you're already enjoying moderate popularity
That's nonsense. Ten or twenty people reading your work isn't "moderate popularity". It's fucking nothing. But their comments and reviews can potentially turn away thousands readers. And if your work's been out for a while and no one reads it, it's dead.

>I'm not talking about misunderstandings born from bad writing or lack of clarity
Well, who is?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:24:41 2021 No.18127807 >>18127801 if you see a new work with an interesting synopsis, but you see a couple of comments talking about what a shit it is, would you not even bother reading the first chapter?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:27:32 2021 No.18127824 >>18127807 Of course not lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:28:01 2021 No.18127825 >>18127824 Then why expect any different from your work?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:28:18 2021 No.18127827 >>18127824 jesus

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:31:27 2021 No.18127844 >>18127824 you sure put a lot of stock into internet randos bitching on the comment section. I've read plenty of crap on Fanfiction and I always give stories I want to read a try, regardless of star ratings or reviews

Siel Eval !uNUCDrhQcE Wed Apr 28 03:31:47 2021 No.18127847
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“You fool yourself Nicholas”, said Stilleto smiling evilly. “The world may be rotten, but what makes you think that’s not just the way things should be... well not all the way of course, but there’s two lords here, and I don’t mean god and Satan, but just good things and bad. But what makes you think, and about this fellow your praising so much, that your not infected with that inner grimness... “grimness” that’s a silly word too, what do you even mean by “grim.” To fool yourself that the things you shy from aren’t really fun, there dark and dull and not worth your time. I’ve had the displeasure to have your head doze off in the car and roll over onto my shoulder, hell you almost made me drive off the road once with that crap... but every time in those early morning hours, I would get an itching on my arm and ache my arm over up to where you rested on my shoulder (I did not wake you, peace from you is good no matter what) and I would touch your head. I would feel the vibrations, the frantic clamor and stabbing... sometimes even the drunken movements and feel the symbol of pleasure manifest in your brain and than your heart become frantic as your mind broke apart and you realized it wasn’t real, yet somehow that made it worse... at least the back mind accepted, but the front and real taking on the role squealed and felt sorry. It was like your twin who greatly enjoyed to get drunk on a bottle of wine was swapped out for you, and you threw up all over your head.”

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:37:32 2021 No.18127881

>>18127825
I sure don't. You seem to have lost the thread of the conversation. I personally take measures to avoid bad comments and confusion, even if at the expense of "artistry".

>>18127844
>I've read plenty of crap on Fanfiction
And you can sit back down, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:39:07 2021 No.18127888 >>18127533 moms are the best

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:39:37 2021 No.18127891

>>18127847
Is that -- no! dear god! grant me strength! Could it be? Please no! Anything but!
Anime! Spare me this; monstrous and horrible! Lo -- anime! My writers soul! Nabokov! Deliver me!
No! No! Nabokov, where art thou? No, don't say it! I was never a real writer! O, /wg/! I can feel it calling!
The siren song: anime, self publishing; Royal Road! I come!

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:41:02 2021 No.18127897 >>18127824 lol this why would i wast time reading a crap story

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:41:31 2021 No.18127899 >>18127891 Not going to lie to you, anon. But this was pretty nice to read. made me laugh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:43:19 2021 No.18127906 >>18127888 They really are, but I still wouldn’t trust what they say about my work. Bias and all that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:44:47 2021 No.18127910 >>18127897 you don't know it's crap. You only know what one or more people think it's crap

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:45:28 2021 No.18127915 >>18127910 Ignore him, anon. He seems pretty set in his ways.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:48:14 2021 No.18127923 >>18127847 Link us your story, so Incan read the rest of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:48:33 2021 No.18127927 why do people hate anime writing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:49:18 2021 No.18127932 >>18127927 Because Pseuds rarely write and need something to cope and they do it by shitting on those who write.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:49:43 2021 No.18127937 New thread. >>18127934

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:50:45 2021 No.18127944

>>18127891
FUCK ROYAL ROAD, YOU CAN WRITE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE ONLY WHEN THEY FUCK WHITE WOMEN OR WHEN, "OH WOW! LOOK HOW SMART HE IS." BUT JUST MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT GANGS AND DRUG DEALING AND "noooo you caaan't that's raycist! You can't disparage him, you must make him cool and omnipotent, omniscient and overpowered!" Fuck the antifaggots, fuck the leftoids. Fuck the snowcucks and their nigger worshipping. I. DON'T. GIVE. A. FLYING. FUCK. I don't get mad, neither should they, for fuck sake. Do I need to sent the a picture with my fucking face so they don't delet my work cause "mmmmmmm-mmmuuh racyst". Jesus fucking christ.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:52:04 2021 No.18127949 >>18127927 Honestly, it feels like it's only a small group of people, but sadly, they shit on everyone and shit up the thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:52:18 2021 No.18127951 >>18126589 R-really?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:53:03 2021 No.18127957 >>18127951 It’s shit. So don’t get your hopes up.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:53:04 2021 No.18127959

>>18127910
I've been disappointed enough times to tell that when a story gets bad comments, it generally is pretty damn bad. Trusting covers and synopses is the gateway to disappointment. Readers outside 4chan are generally soft with their judgement and rate works a little higher than they deserve.

Sure, there are times when a panned book is actually a gem and misunderstood, but such occasions are astronomically rare.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:53:09 2021 No.18127960 >>18127944 the rule is that only black pepo can write about black pepo. Otherwise, it's raycis

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:55:39 2021 No.18127975 >>18127951 the best writing discords only let you participate in crits if you have enough good boy points too many leeches just want some back rubs and validation before hitting and quitting

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 03:57:09 2021 No.18127983 >>18127975 do discord give points to accounts, how do you know who's a good boy and who's a bad boy

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:00:08 2021 No.18128005 >>18127983 can't post your work until you've given good crits out yourself mods autistically vet crits to see if you have any idea what you're talking about and if you deserve good boy status

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:02:41 2021 No.18128021

>>18127975
>>18127957
I joined some of the writing discord’s from Reddit and they all bend over backwards to avoid hurting peoples feelings. All the critique is weak and half assed and they are all full of very young kids. It’s weird and cringe

I guess I should just write and maybe just post my shit here when it ends up somewhere decent

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:04:20 2021 No.18128032 what, so all of your posts have to be approved before posting? where do the mods get all the time to read everyone's work AND all the critiques. this isn't a paid job.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:05:51 2021 No.18128038 >>18128032 It's shit, anything else someone tells you is just trying to lure you in.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:09:23 2021 No.18128049

>>18128032
discord lets you prevent who posts in channels by giving you a good boy sticker
so the formula would be
>good boys can post in the excerpts/chapters channel
>anyone can view and post in a seperate channel for crits
>mods check crits after posting and if they think you're a good boy you get the access sticker
vetting was poor word choice, sorry

>>18128021
90% of them really are just creepy underage hug boxes
the best one I was in died but kept the quality up by banning anyone who seemed underage and being 18+ only

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:11:53 2021 No.18128055 >>18128049 sounds like a lot of social work and not a particularly pleasant experience either

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:17:44 2021 No.18128076

>>18128055
having to deal with leeches is worse
>posts once
>if you crit them they melt down and say you just dont get it
>community ends up with very few contributors and discussion quality is shit
the old /crit/ general suffered from this and it made it completely unusable
discords are the same. expect them to be irredeemable shit unless they put the slightest effort into keeping out the rabble

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:22:36 2021 No.18128091

>>18128076
>>if you crit them they melt down and say you just dont get it
This shit is the absolute fucking worst. Holy fuck, am I tired of dealing with this bullshit, on /wg/ and on real life. But it's the excessive bitching that just make me want to quit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:24:52 2021 No.18128096 >>18128091 To be fair I am an absolute genius and to criticize me is to be blind to my radiance.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:28:31 2021 No.18128108

>>18128091
yeah something about writing. it attracts people who are somehow simultaneously egotistical but insecure
gl finding a decent group. recently I've gotten a friend into writing and I'm hoping I can develop a small circle of people who aren't completely retarded
having people to discuss with productively and socially is pretty great and worth pursuing, even if it's lazily and half heartedly

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:41:11 2021 No.18128161

>>18128096
What's depressing is that they are actual people like this.

>>18128108
>yeah something about writing. it attracts people who are somehow simultaneously egotistical but insecure
The worst ones who think they are misunderstood. I also don't like it when other anons offer them advice and shit on them or belittle them because they admit to watching anime.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 05:46:58 2021 No.18128370

I’ve been doing some writing and world building lately and I can’t help but feel that I’m just copying other artists work. I basically feel like I cannibalize my favorite things of different books/stories and combine them into one idea. Like I can’t help but feel I’m just ripping other people’s work off and I’m scared I will be seen as a fraud by other writers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 06:15:00 2021 No.18128466 All i ever fucking come up with is worldbuilding and aesthetics How the fuck do i find a story to put in the god damn thing

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 06:15:49 2021 No.18128468 >>18128466 Seconding this. I even have cool characters with cool backstories and no idea what to do with them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 06:18:13 2021 No.18128478 >>18128466 >>18128468 this better be a meme theme, narrative y'know, the message the reason for writing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 09:14:20 2021 No.18129059 >>18128466 >>18128468 Just write. The Animefags do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 09:21:15 2021 No.18129089 File: 839 KB, 142x146, 1375333371790.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18129059 Happy to be shaming you all with my wordcount

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