What do you guys think of Brave New World?

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Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:37:15 2021 No.18125318 [Reply] [Original]

What do you guys think of Brave New World?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:40:29 2021 No.18125341 >>18125318 I like it

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:40:39 2021 No.18125343 >>18125318 My English teacher assigned it to me and I asked her why and she said she thought I'd like the free sex.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:45:03 2021 No.18125366 >>18125318 Misunderstood

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:45:29 2021 No.18125369 I haven't read it yet. Why do you ask?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:46:57 2021 No.18125383 >>18125369 Curious what others think of it

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:47:54 2021 No.18125397 >>18125318 Absolutely based. Humans love pleasure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:51:16 2021 No.18125412 >>18125318 I listened to Mezzanine by Massive Attack while I read the book. It felt very fitting. BNW was very depressing and a sense of doom was constantly looming above while reading.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:53:32 2021 No.18125428 File: 986 KB, 760x6006, huxleyorwellamusingourselvestodeath.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Great book and Huxley was right >>18125412 It's even more depressing with how accurate things are now

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:56:37 2021 No.18125446 >>18125428 of course huxley was right, look into his family, this was a playbook not a work of fiction

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:57:47 2021 No.18125452 >>18125428 >>18125446 Get out zoomers

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 18:59:28 2021 No.18125460 File: 80 KB, 411x630, 1200x630bb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18125428

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:00:06 2021 No.18125466

>>18125318
“The perfect dictatorship would have the appearance of a democracy, but would basically be a prison without walls in which the prisoners would not even dream of escaping. It would essentially be a system of slavery where, through consumption and entertainment, the slaves would love their servitude."—Aldous Huxley

And he's right

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:00:31 2021 No.18125468 >>18125452 I'm not

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:02:15 2021 No.18125479 >>18125318 I want my soma!

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:03:10 2021 No.18125490

>>18125318
It is easily the more foreboding realistic dystopia compared to 1984. >>18125428 summarizes it well. It should basically be required reading in every school for every zoomer today so maybe they get it through their thick skulls that consumerist progressivism is not the perfect and ultimate philosophy. And this is coming from a 20 year old zoomer myself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:04:00 2021 No.18125494 >>18125466 >the slaves would love their servitude ok so what's the problem then? If the slave loves being a slave and has no wish to be free, let him continue to be a slave, what's the problem?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:04:20 2021 No.18125497 >>18125468 I say you are. Check again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:04:38 2021 No.18125501 File: 585 KB, 640x4340, 23d6e270e3c93cd350a6f517d89c6d5c389bca04cd0299fe3e1fabcd4ed54841_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18125494 Enjoy, anon!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:05:39 2021 No.18125508 >>18125494 If you can't see the problem with that then I don't think I want to engage in discussion with you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:05:46 2021 No.18125509 >>18125490 Read Fight Club, or just watch the movie instead. That's what that's about, explicitly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:05:57 2021 No.18125510 >>18125494 Ever heard of Stockholm syndrome?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:07:33 2021 No.18125515 >>18125494 They aren't slaves in BNW, I know because I've read the thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:07:40 2021 No.18125516 >>18125318 Brave New World's society is unironically an utopia Huxley is a just a prude and a hippie.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:10:31 2021 No.18125530 >>18125510 Victims of a kidnapping aren't necessarily slaves. It's a bit of a stretch.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:12:21 2021 No.18125537 >>18125530 Don't be so autistic, it's the same mechanism - you "love" your captor as a coping mechanism / survival strategy

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:12:27 2021 No.18125538 the wanting seed is better

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:12:47 2021 No.18125539 >>18125497 Well I'm rubber and you're glue

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:15:21 2021 No.18125556 >>18125509 Will do anon, been meaning to for a while.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:16:27 2021 No.18125567 >>18125516 Yes goy just consoooooom

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:18:10 2021 No.18125583 File: 23 KB, 300x404, 1614456970455.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18125516

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:19:26 2021 No.18125591 >>18125537 Captor vs Owner. Not the same thing. Don't fuck around with me tonight I'm in no mood for shebang-agains.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:19:55 2021 No.18125594 JUST SAY YES TO KID SEX

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:20:28 2021 No.18125602 >>18125539 And how many times have you been caught fapping in the cinema stall?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:20:44 2021 No.18125604 >>18125428 Both are right, the reality we live in is dependant on who won the cold war.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:20:54 2021 No.18125606 >>18125591 Don't be so autistic, the mechanism is the same.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:28:15 2021 No.18125655 >>18125604 Huxley is more right currently but we have Orwell things in it now

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:29:25 2021 No.18125661 >>18125606 In BNW once the slave becomes aware of his slavery he is released. Your parallel of mechanism is irrelevant to your argument.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:33:54 2021 No.18125684 >>18125661 >If the slave loves being a slave and has no wish to be free, let him continue to be a slave, what's the problem? I was responding to that

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:35:33 2021 No.18125694 >>18125655 IMO Orwell's future comes from an Authoritarian power and Huxleys comes from a sort of uber-rich capitalist class. Therefore USSR being an example of the Orwellian nightmare and the USA being an example of the Huxley nightmare.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:38:00 2021 No.18125708 >>18125694 Have you read either of them, where are they set?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:38:38 2021 No.18125712 >>18125501 >>18125508 >>18125510 >>18125515 >No one has managed to make an argument Figures.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:40:17 2021 No.18125717 >>18125712 They have, you've just failed to discern it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:41:29 2021 No.18125724 >>18125694 I can see that

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:42:02 2021 No.18125726 >>18125717 >It's wrong because it's wrong!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:42:35 2021 No.18125729 >>18125460 Absolutely based book. I just got my friend, who doesn't read but listens to audiobooks, to use his audible credits on it this month.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:42:40 2021 No.18125730 >>18125726 Nope, try again

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:42:58 2021 No.18125731 >>18125712 You're too retarded

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:44:07 2021 No.18125737 >>18125509 The movie is good, David Fincher is a boss, but if you think it treats the nihilistic themes as well as in the book you're a midwit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:48:08 2021 No.18125764 >>18125708 1984 takes place in the supercontinent Oceana on "airstrip one" which is England. Brave new world also takes place in London and they live under the "world state"

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:50:45 2021 No.18125785

>>18125556

I don't want to spoil it...but if you've seen the movie it's important to note what the final target of project mayhem is in the novel vs. the film; to reflect on the fact that it's a noble pursuit (or at least portrayed as such) in the film.

It's also important to note what signals the narrator's agency to come around (i.e. in the novel it's a passive influence and in the film it's active, I'd even argue heroic). The film kind of misses the point and doesn't explore nihilism...it's more about conformity and consumerism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:52:54 2021 No.18125804 >>18125730 >It's wrong because it's wrong! >>18125731 Nope

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:54:25 2021 No.18125809 >>18125804 >It's wrong because it's wrong! If that's what you got from those replies, you're a retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:54:40 2021 No.18125812 Do you think any of the workers, DHC or the Controller ever fucked the kids there?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:57:07 2021 No.18125827 >>18125809 Seethe. No coherent argument besides muh anime pic and stockholm syndrome was made.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 19:59:24 2021 No.18125841 >>18125827 Cope. That's because of your reddit tier premise. All that need to be said was said.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:00:05 2021 No.18125847 >>18125764 Based Wikipedia checker

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:04:52 2021 No.18125872

>>18125318
It's not very good literature, but as a commentary on society it's very based as other anons have said. British writers are generally pretty terrible at hiding their massive boners for Shakespeare in the work but Huxley is just throbbing out in the open.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:05:23 2021 No.18125877 >>18125847 I just reread 1984 and it's not hard to remember brave new world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:06:53 2021 No.18125885 File: 166 KB, 1200x799, pol meets in real life.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18125872 There is nothing wrong with throbbing out in the open it's what god intended

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:08:23 2021 No.18125892 >>18125841 Naw. Your premise is the reason as to why your refutation is shit. Dilate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:09:55 2021 No.18125901 >>18125892 You can't even discern any refutation from 4 different posters, this one is definitely on you. YWNBAW

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:11:16 2021 No.18125905 >>18125901 They made literally 0 arguments.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:12:10 2021 No.18125908 >>18125905 Their arguments were of the same level as your premise

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:15:06 2021 No.18125933 File: 510 KB, 1800x1000, what a shithole.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >getting sent here is supposed to be a fate worse than death

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:16:11 2021 No.18125942 >>18125908 Not really, because it was logical.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:17:40 2021 No.18125951 >>18125942 So were the refutations

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:39:19 2021 No.18126073 H

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 20:53:43 2021 No.18126157 What

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:03:43 2021 No.18126197 >>18125951 They weren't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:17:55 2021 No.18126267 >>18125885 Me in the van

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:30:29 2021 No.18126329 >>18126267 Me

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:40:39 2021 No.18126394

>>18125494
The problem is a conflict of values, anon. The conflict between happiness and freedom. Not everyone prefers being a happy slave. Some would rather suffer freely instead of being condemned to happiness. I think that is the thesis of the book.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:43:37 2021 No.18126410 >>18125694 >Therefore USSR being an example of the Orwellian nightmare Politburo is rather mild compared to CCP

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 21:59:35 2021 No.18126509 H

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:02:09 2021 No.18126529 File: 896 KB, 750x2388, 454868F6-5478-4612-BE3F-68E70D1CAFD9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Has anyone ever heard about Orwell and some others accusing Huxley of plagiarizing Brave New World? Is it true?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:04:48 2021 No.18126543 >>18126529 If anyone has read both BNW and We, they would be quite able to tell.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:05:17 2021 No.18126546 >>18125428 Orwell was right too even bradbury was right

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:09:16 2021 No.18126570 File: 412 KB, 1024x768, Ushuaia[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18125933 where is that? it looks like Argentina

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:11:22 2021 No.18126582 >Brave New World has been reached but we’re all too distracted or complicit to pay attention Poetry.

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:18:19 2021 No.18126616

>>18125501
This comic pisses me off. The AI construct is only considering keeping us going until the sun burns out? That timeframe is nothing in the grand scheme. This fucking AI overlord better start blackhole farming/ iron star farming/ building Matrioshka brains, upload humanity, and start working on true problems such as solving FTL and reversing entropy. The temporary relief this robot promises is a poison pill. The AI does not show the drive that humanity needs to truly last a significant period of time in the universe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:22:07 2021 No.18126636 >>18125516 Reading your post made my head hurt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:36:02 2021 No.18126719 Meow

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:51:26 2021 No.18126791 >>18125428 >pain vs pleasure weren't the proles in 1984 given a bunch of pleasurable distractions? It was only potential disrupters like Winston that were kept on a short leash

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:52:14 2021 No.18126798 Why did he flip flop the dialogue all the time?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 22:59:47 2021 No.18126832 Rufu

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:05:06 2021 No.18126856 >>18125318 It's quite staggering to me that people cannot comprehend that we are going the wrong way in regard to the ethos of this book

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:05:06 2021 No.18126857

>>18126791
I think the proles had free liquor and tobacco, and they didn't seem to care about anything critically or even be aware of the lack of continuity in events like when the foreign enemy and ally were switched. The explanation was that they couldn't think of anything of anything outside of their language which had become newspeak and they were basically passive to the government.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:06:55 2021 No.18126863 >>18126856 What do you mean

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:13:13 2021 No.18126894

>>18126863
The trading of liberty for security, anon. There are many books that have this theme, and each outside of one are amazingly misunderstood. The one that isn't misunderstood is Anthem by Ayn Rand, somehow people manage to not miss the point with this one. Anthem is very similar to The Giver, if you've read that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:15:10 2021 No.18126901 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GngtfUOq7I who here /Iron Maiden/

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:18:27 2021 No.18126914 File: 37 KB, 460x469, dystopia_please_help.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:19:57 2021 No.18126919

>>18126616
Anon I take it you're not deliberately missing the point and instead are trying to make some claim about humanity's lasting so long being meaningful. How the hell would it be meaningful for humanity to "survive" (i.e. subsist) as a completely inert species of mindless comatose zombies, no matter how long it survives for?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:20:15 2021 No.18126922 >>18126914 >handmaids tale lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:21:02 2021 No.18126924 >>18126922 I have no idea what that's about desu

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:22:44 2021 No.18126934 >>18126924 A dystopia ruled by reaganite evangelical christians that turn women into chattel slaves, it's unbelievably retarded.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:26:08 2021 No.18126952 >>18126934 Sounds like a typical female fantasy that they only openly enjoy around other women because they know it's sick and wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:27:17 2021 No.18126956 >>18126914 This chart is really missing Harmony by Project Itoh. It's about a medical dystopia, pretty relevant in the last year.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:48:59 2021 No.18127036 >>18126914 how the fuck is "lord of the flies" under "a handmaid's tale" lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 27 23:55:31 2021 No.18127072 >>18127036 >>18126956 feel free to make a better version

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:32:02 2021 No.18127214 >>18125343 Well, did you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:34:59 2021 No.18127228 >>18126529 >896 KB JPGHas anyone ever heard about Orwell and some others accusing Huxley of plagiarizing Brave New World Yes. >Is it true? >>18126543 Just a couple books and I'll then read it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 00:50:56 2021 No.18127294 >>18125318 I liked it and made me wanna read Shakespeare

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 01:06:43 2021 No.18127364 >>18126914 >handsmaid tale bait

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 02:38:11 2021 No.18127629 >>18125318 I identify with the incel

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:46:56 2021 No.18128186 >>18125318 It was trite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 04:51:13 2021 No.18128204 >>18126570 Read Brave New World and it will be revealed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 05:50:58 2021 No.18128385 >>18126791 Yes. There are more similarities between 1984 and Brave New World than there are differences. Its one of the great ironies, especially when they're held up as being totally different dystopic realities.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 06:04:05 2021 No.18128427

>>18126529
>Has anyone ever heard about Orwell and some others accusing Huxley of plagiarizing Brave New World?
Yes.

>Is it true?
I suppose it would depend on your threshold for "plagiarizing". As far as I'm concerned, while there was likely some borrowing from published works going on (and I don't mean just Huxley, I mean everybody) most of the similarities from the notable dystopian works from the first half or so of the twentieth century arise from the fact that the authors had similar anxieties while they were writing their books and many ran in the same intellectual and literary circles where those things were being discussed; in the vein of more direct plagiarism, I would say that the strongest evidence is in the imagery. I also think that if Orwell was criticizing Huxley for more than stating that he didn't read We before writing BNW then he's living in a glass house - Nineteen Eighty-Four borrows more substantially from We, BNW and the Iron Heel than BNW borrows from anything.

>>18126543
It's a matter of opinion.

>>18127228
>Just a couple books and I'll then read it.
We is certainly worth a read even if it isn't all that readable when compared to works like BNW or Nineteen Eighty-Four; the prose is extremely Russian and it has this sort of clipped, staccato feel to it. IIRC the translator's forward in the edition I read actually mentioned this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 06:06:01 2021 No.18128435 >>18125494 Because this disproves objective morality and makes christcucks scream and pull on your hair chimp shrieking with anger

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 06:08:39 2021 No.18128443 >>18126529 All of them plagiarized from each other constantly.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 07:55:52 2021 No.18128762

>>18125567
>>18125583
>>18126636
I'm not consoomer anon, but in my understanding it was a sort of utopia as well.
The characters who couldn't cope with the degenerate society (Bernard and Helmholtz) were "exiled" to some island, meaning they could escape the society they had so much trouble dealing with anyway. How is that a dystopia?
One could argue that the npc's that remained are suffering under the hedonistic system, but I believe that some people genuinely just want to chase happiness, so why should I try to stop them? The people who aren't like that will rebel a bit and then end up on that "exile" anyway.
To me it seemed that in the end everybody got what they wanted.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 09:38:54 2021 No.18129195 >>18128762

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 10:55:20 2021 No.18129628 Meow

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 13:40:56 2021 No.18130661

>>18126924
Fundamentalists hijack the military and suspend the constitution to implement jesus sharia. They put women in color coded professions and the ones that aren't sterile get to be handmaids. It has surprisingly decent criticism of feminism and one character notes that they got a lot of what they always wanted

>>18128762
iirc EVERY social deviant who wasn't a religious technophobe was sent to the island. So you wouldn't be among fellow shakespeare fans, you'd be surrounded by the actually insane with no internet

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 14:02:31 2021 No.18130807 >>18125318 The use of Soma has made me look internally on how I abuse cannabis and the parallels between the average citizen in BNW and myself

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 14:19:36 2021 No.18130929 >>18125428 No wonder all of the libtards were sporting 1984 books, and no one spoke of BNW.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 15:41:17 2021 No.18131471 Meow

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 15:50:15 2021 No.18131523 >>18125412 Holy shoot that's based, I'll have to try that

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 16:04:47 2021 No.18131626 >>18125712 It's not that they're not happy because of what they have. They're happy because they don't know what they're missing, and they don't comprehend what they're part of.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 16:12:33 2021 No.18131692 >>18125318 idk, cool cover desu

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 16:57:24 2021 No.18132038 >>18125318 Amazing book, made me want to read more Huxley. Any recommendations?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 16:58:42 2021 No.18132044 >>18125318 Scary because alot proportion people genuinely wouldn't mind living in BNW

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 16:59:19 2021 No.18132051 >>18132038 I like Island

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 17:10:05 2021 No.18132119

>>18125428
They did ban books in Brave New World, it's like this person never read either of them. Winston works for the government, which is why he's under higher surveillance, it's the same as if you're in the KGB, you're going to be watched closer than the average person. His hideaway is where the proles are after all, they don't care/notice all the lies that they are told, so they aren't watched as closely.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 17:16:47 2021 No.18132158 >>18125933 Iceland is barren flatland, there's not a single tree or hill for miles, and then suddenly a mountain sticks out of the ground. It is beautiful, but I'm sure in the 30s it was quite the inhospitable wasteland

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 17:18:05 2021 No.18132168 >>18126914 These don't even overlap properly

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 17:19:19 2021 No.18132175 >>18125318 It is dumb, just read the Book of Revelation in the Holy Bible instead.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 17:33:04 2021 No.18132258 >>18132038 >>18132051 Yes, Island has great synergy with bnw and is an extremely comfy book

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 17:53:40 2021 No.18132389 i am glad i skipped reading it in highschool and read it myself two years later. just another book that can be claimed prophetic for how 1st world life is developing. also it's good

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 17:55:11 2021 No.18132400 >>18125537 It's not the same thing at all, victims of Stockholm syndrome love their captors despite being treated brutally

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 17:57:19 2021 No.18132408 >>18125661 It's been a while since I read it, don't the main character and his mother kill themselves?

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 18:03:56 2021 No.18132451

>>18132119
They banned them but they're hardly considered dangerous as the controller is allowed to read them, instead they are considered to be smut, disgusting because of the father and mother relationships so no one would want to read them, even the guy who's sympathetic to John laughs his ass off when he hears about a mother in shakespeare

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 18:07:11 2021 No.18132477 >>18128762 Brainless take

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 18:09:24 2021 No.18132488 >>18125318 One criticism is it's focus on collectivism and failure to recognize the role of consumer identities in modern culture. All in all I wasn't blown away by it, but I didn't think it was a waste of time either.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 18:21:50 2021 No.18132568 >>18132488 >One criticism is it's focus on collectivism and failure to recognize the role of consumer identities in modern culture. lol

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 18:27:53 2021 No.18132620
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The whole thesis of the novel is in Chapter 13 - 17. Also, it inspired the Unabomber. Easy to see why.

>“But I don't want comfort. I want God, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness, I want sin.'

>'In fact,' said Mustapha Mond, 'you're claiming the right to be unhappy.'

>'All right then,' said the Savage defiantly, 'I'm claiming the right to be unhappy.'

>'Not to mention the right to grow old and ugly and impotent; the right to have syphilis and cancer; the right to have too little to eat; the right to be lousy; the right to live in constant apprehension of what may happen tomorrow; the right to catch typhoid; the right to be tortured by unspeakable pains of every kind.' There was a long silence.

>'I claim them all,' said the Savage at last.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 20:43:50 2021 No.18133354 N

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 20:50:06 2021 No.18133387 >>18126791 >>18126791 Yeah, but the difference was the tactic used by the ruling party. Orwell thought a boot was more effective, but huxley thought pleasure was

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 20:51:48 2021 No.18133398 Some of the finest closing lines ever written

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 20:54:37 2021 No.18133409

>>18125318
A strange kind of dystopia, not even a dystopia depending on your values, the typical liberal midwit from the first world would see this as a utopia. I found it strange, seemed like a perfect world in the sense that things worked at it could keep themselves going, forever, and ever. You could see it as a critique of consumerism and globalization, but I don't know if Huxley intended it. I cannot say really. Strange book. Predicted a slight few things, but stand on Zanzibar predicted more.

Anonymous Wed Apr 28 21:12:19 2021 No.18133496

>>18125933
>>18126570
>>18132158
It is for bernard, he is a socialite, he wants to be liked, he wants to be a part of society as it is, to be sent to Iceland, is a death sentence to that objective, even if admittedly he would fit in better. That is why bernard loathes it, Watson on the other hand would welcome it. Not for being inhospitable or some shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 22:15:01 2021 No.18133826 >>18125412 I thought the opposite, there was a sense of hope up until the mond steps into the office and just smashes everything that the savage brings up. That chapter just hits with a wave of hopelessness and depression.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 22:20:59 2021 No.18133861 >>18125494 Because they have no choice or say in the matter. They're conditioned to such an extent that they can't even fathom the idea of being freed from their servitude. But that's the moral dilemma, should they ?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 23:02:16 2021 No.18134112 >>18125933 The islands were not supposed to be punishment, just an accomodation for the outliers of the society depicted.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 28 23:14:06 2021 No.18134156 >>18132620 BASED

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