Starting to hate rationality

[Anonymous No.18142531]

Does anyone know what this feeling is?
A few years ago I used to be a huge fucking faggot, always going against opinions that weren’t “proven by science”, second guessing shit all the time and I thought this was a healthy way of thinking cuz “nothing in the universe was ever 100% certain” or some shit so I should always doubt everything.
I got depressed, life started sucking, none of my goals felt meaningful or worthwhile. Tried reading Nietzsche, Sartre, stoicism because I thought our philosophies would match. Didn’t help.

A couple months ago I fell down the rabbit hole of “spirituality” after reading an old generic manga, started reading about the weirdness of perception and it’s relation to the body, hypnosis, etc.
Read Joseph Campbell’s book, read the Mahabharata. started reading Jung’s books, started seeing Nietzsche in a new light and started reading his works from the BoT. Reading Schopenhauer now and I’m finally starting to feel that sense of excitement I haven’t felt in years.

I’ve come to the conclusion that a huge chunk of my life was wasted trying to be “correct” about shit.
I’ve also realized that a lot of people that I used to call schizos or delusional were happier than me and better than me because they realized the secret to life without having to go through all the shit that I went through.

Anyway, I respect schizos now.

[Anonymous No.18142544]

>>18142531
You should unironically study Charles Manson before and after incarnation specifically looking at footage of him and unbiased testimony from friends. There's an old doco called Charles Manson Superstar which is just footage of him start with that he reached the exact conclusion you have but learned how to direct his delusions it's quite astonishing.

[Anonymous No.18142553]

You’re just another pathetic traditionalist larper. In a year you’ll be a tradcath, a few months after that an Islamist, a few months after that lapse to fascism, and a few months after that hop on to whatever happens to be popular on /pol/. You’re essentially nothing more than a directionless adult, guided by whatever happens to be the meme of the week

[Anonymous No.18142554]

>always going against opinions that weren’t “proven by science”
>I should always doubt everything
>I fell down the rabbit hole of “spirituality”
>I’ve come to the conclusion that a huge chunk of my life was wasted trying to be “correct” about shit.
>Does anyone know what this feeling is?


Ohhhhhh yeah. Highly recommend you check this book out, OP. Tolstoy felt the same way when he was 50. He had written two of the greatest works in the history of western civilization by that time (War & Peace and Anna Karenenina), lived on a huge farm with his huge family. Was successful by anyone's definition. Still felt like it all amounted to nothing. That none of it mattered. That it was all for naught. He came to spirituality in an interesting way and essentially uses terms like discovering the infinite within the finite that help him to see the light. Seeing the light IS what matters.

Read the book to find out the rest and then come back and tell us what you think, OP. We are interested in your development.

[Anonymous No.18142563]

>>18142553
holy projection

[Anonymous No.18142568]

>>18142553
wild card NRG

[Anonymous No.18142573]

>>18142563
More like surprisingly stable observation. You’re probably a cringe tradlarper too, and are probably embarrassed by the level of accuracy, despite having never met you

[Anonymous No.18142575]

>>18142531
Something similar happened to me but I just started delving into /x/ shit instead (not stupid conspiracies,those are a waste of time mostly)
>>18142553
>>18142573
Bait made by reddit,for reddit

[Anonymous No.18142583]

>>18142531
At certain point in life you will accumulate enough knowledge about how the world around you works, magical tales disappear and reality sets in. For some this is seen as bleak and depressing, for others it's tempering and serene. It's been called a mid-life crisis, and your reaction to it is understandable.

Not everyone can face reality for what it is, finding refuge in existing abstract constructs has worked for countless generations before you. You'll be fine, just take care of your body too.

[Anonymous No.18142600]

>>18142531
It doesn't sound like you hate rationality. It sounds like you hate skepticism. And it sounds like you want to break free from the conformism of the skeptical movement.

[Anonymous No.18142615]

>>18142531
fascists did belived that it is will not reason that shape the world

[Anonymous No.18142622]

>>18142600
>It doesn't sound like you hate rationality.
>It sounds like you hate skepticism.

Nah, I understand what OP is saying. It's similar to Kant, the very first page of Critique of Pure Reason, how "reason precipitates itself into darkness" entangling itself in questions it cannot ever answer.

Being totally rational and reasonable has its limits. Yes, we have the capacity to reason, perhaps not all the way up to whether or not there is a God, for which that will require faith, but one must go beyond the reasonable for genuine self-fulfillment in this life.

[Anonymous No.18142629]

>>18142553
>You’re essentially nothing more than a directionless adult

Curious as to whether or not this is you irl and you're projecting.

[Anonymous No.18142635]

>>18142553
yah big projection m8 it does kinda show, quite sorry

[Anonymous No.18142761]

>>18142531
Replacing Autism with Schizophrenia is not a step up

[Anonymous No.18142765]

>>18142531
Rational inquiry beyond the point that instinct leads to is pointless and leads to false conclusions that can be rationally justified. Zeno's idea of motion being impossible is a good example.

This is a large part of why the world is the way it is today, Nietzsche saw where it was leading and realised a reversion to instinct was the only way out of it

[Anonymous No.18142769]

>>18142615
And they were devastated through ignorance of basic economics
It's funny how it is always retards like /pol/sters and christcucks who think believing in something makes it real

[Anonymous No.18142794]

>>18142769
>And they were devastated through ignorance of basic economics
Not quite.

[Anonymous No.18142796]

>an old generic manga
?????

[Anonymous No.18142806]

>>18142531
>a retard got fucked in the ass by reality
>now finds comfort in woo woo
Huh, many such cases.

[Anonymous No.18142808]

>>18142806

[Anonymous No.18142827]

>>18142808
It is good that you are reading Schopenhauer. Don't come back here crying when he will shit on christcuckery and will give you the most honest picture of reality. Don't try to cope with his system by reading him """within the context""" of some schizo faggot.
Will you post same picture when Schopenhauer will praise reason, transcendental realism and science?

[Anonymous No.18142836]

>>18142806
>>18142761
Reductive thinking gets you nowhere I’ve learnt.
>>18142796
Generic is being too harsh, I actually really liked it

[Anonymous No.18142842]

>>18142827
I’m the OP, I’m not Christian and you haven’t read Schopenhauer

[Anonymous No.18142849]

>>18142761
Schizophrenia is for the based
>>18142806
>>18142769
reddit cope
>>18142827
This is the most un-/lit/ post I've ever read

[Anonymous No.18142852]

>>18142836
>Reductive thinking
You were a shite skeptic. Sextus Empiricus suspended all judgement not just the one which he liked.

>>18142842
>you haven’t read Schopenhauer
Nice projection retard.

[Anonymous No.18142858]

>>18142531
It is your instincts begging you to trust them more. You cannot be a whole human being if you ignore your instincts.

[Anonymous No.18142883]

>>18142849
You have to be 18 years old to post here

[Anonymous No.18142898]

I am with you, OP. I had a similar experience. I used to believe science has the answers. But now I work in top scientific institutions and I am deeply disappointed of the level of the so-called scientific elite. Couple this with extensive reading and ample discourse with many different people over the years and I have now pure disdain for rationalists and the "believe the science" crowd. Reading Nietzsche was life-affirming and I do not think he can truly be appreciated until you have hit that point in life (late 20s to 30s). Does not mean I have any need for spiritualism or religion, but I have better understanding why people turn to it.

I think in some sense schizos are just deeply unhappy because they perceive society in a fundamentally different light and are unable to articulate this coherently. They have no other means to cope any more so why not stop giving a fuck. This is also why meds are pointless, they just subdue.

[Anonymous No.18142901]

>>18142852
Hey Destiny/Vaush/some other redditor

[Anonymous No.18142910]

On shrooms I have discovered how beautiful life can be with religion, and it doesn't matter if I am wrong because the important thing is the play, the beauty of body and soul.

[Anonymous No.18142925]

/thread

[Anonymous No.18142934]

>>18142901
Keep projecting retard

>>18142925
Based

[Anonymous No.18142943]

>>18142531
>Started reading Jung's books
Good
>Nietzsche
He's mandatory for basically everyone.
It sounds like you'd enjoy pic rel
Just remember that Crowley is a retard a lot of the time.

[Anonymous No.18142951]

>>18142553
Just fucking lol

[Anonymous No.18142963]

>>18142943
this retarded shit is the incel/alt-right equivalent of woke witches
it's all power fantasy

[Anonymous No.18142966]

>>18142943
>Just remember that Crowley is a retard a lot of the time.
weird way to say that you are a larper.

[Anonymous No.18142969]

>>18142554
I never finished this guy, maybe I should

[Anonymous No.18142973]

>>18142963
>>18142966
no, it gives a good metaphorical understanding to life and its patterns. Jung really gets at it.

[Anonymous No.18142980]

>>18142973
>numerology gives a good metaphorical understanding to life and its patterns
ex falso sequitur quodlibet

[Anonymous No.18142982]

>>18142973
>metaphorical
Nice cope.

[Anonymous No.18142986]

>>18142553
holy based kek

[Anonymous No.18142997]

>>18142963
>>18142966
>>18142980
>>18142982
>people who have no fucking idea what they are talking about

[Anonymous No.18143014]

>>18142925

Krishnamurti is just a humorless Alan Watts.

[Anonymous No.18143018]

>>18142997
Calling Crowley a retard while larping as an esoteric fag is the biggest proof your retardedness.

[Anonymous No.18143021]

>>18142531
>after reading an old generic manga

[Anonymous No.18143023]

>>18142997
>wishful witch squatting /sci/
don't you have an appointment with your local romani palm-reader soon?

[Anonymous No.18143028]

>>18142553
>an Islamist

Just imagine fully islamist pol. I can't wait for this to happen.

[Anonymous No.18143079]

>>18142898
Aren't the "believe the science" people empiricists? Empiricism being a philosophy that is opposed to rationalism.

[Anonymous No.18143090]

>>18142769
>ignorance of basic economics
what is the german economic miracle

[Anonymous No.18143093]

>>18142531
Read Notes From Underground.

[Anonymous No.18143121]

>>18143079
How are they empiricists?

[Anonymous No.18143123]

>>18143014

>Krishnamurti

He was way funnier than Watts and way less pretentious and alcoholic at the same time

[KANYE VVEST No.18143152]

>>18142553
>>18142573
Bait
>>18142575
based
>>18142769
>>18142806
>>18143028
Bait
>>18142849
Saved
>>18142963
>>18142980
>>18142982
>>18143023
bait

Here you go gentlemen
>>18142531
>anyways,I respect schizos now
Thanks bro,It's ALL about the respect

Kanye,OUT!

[Anonymous No.18143202]

>>18143152
Thank you, Kanye.

[Anonymous No.18143320]

>>18143079
science is a rationalism, not an empiricism.

It's the dogma of atheist rationalist that empiricism is compatible with rationalism, by doing ''science''. Scientists are not empiricists, but 100% rationalists.
Because it is a rationalist dogma that reason is adequate to talk about reality. So those people invented the oxymoronic concept of ''empirical proof'', but that's just statistics disguised as some deep way to ''prove'' claims, and empirical proof is 100% rationalistically made up. An empirical proof involves lots of rationalist ideas behind it, to tie it ''to truth'' and no empiricist rely on ''empirical proof''.
''Doing an experiment'' is they way for the atheist to feel they have a secure way of eliminating claims about the world, but they did not even prove this, ie it's a just their personal dream, and second empiricists don't do any experiment because the mental apparatus to extract ''truth'' from experiments is 100% rationalist.
Atheists have still no proved that their experiment are securely invalidating claims. That's because their experiments give only statistical results utterly tied to a very precise finite database of records from their material apparatuses

Even the atheist dogma of ''proof'' is defined dogmatically and statistically thru their idea of ''3-sigma'' and ''5 sigma'', which just means ''from our very peculiar finite data set, if it were generalized to gazillions of points, it would mean the claim under study, regarding some event, validated by the experiment, occurs randomly''
So from this, they go full mental gymnastics an try to salvage the word ''truth'', and also ''knowledge'', by saying ''lol truths are updated as our scientists discover things lol'' which is fucking retarded, and leads to a dubious fantasy of being a ''we'' and ''us''.

[Anonymous No.18143327]

>>18143090
the write off of the debt lol

[Anonymous No.18143329]

>>18143320
no you're thinking of Scientism

[Anonymous No.18143437]

>>18143320
This is really close to what I fucking hate about “science”

[Anonymous No.18143507]

>>18143437
>i'm ignorant so i hate stuff!

[Anonymous No.18143550]

>>18142553
Dangerously based

[Anonymous No.18143583]

>>18143507
>>18143550

[Anonymous No.18143748]

>>18143583
shut the fuck up dumb frogposting incel

[Anonymous No.18144091]

>>18143320
wrong about every claim and assumption you just made here. nice reddit spacing btw

[Anonymous No.18144167]

>>18142531
So you've given up?

[Anonymous No.18144188]

>>18142531
Infrared raped Destiny three days ago and left him for the crows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TnfdbOBIAI&t=1251s

[Anonymous No.18144433]

>>18144188
>neo-lib and commie debating on who's ''coping''
People who watch debaters are subhuman

[Anonymous No.18144482]

>>18144433
there was an actual argument in the vid that revealed that Destiny talks out of his ass a lot of the times and doesn't admit when he's wrong and infrared is a pretty well read and intelligent individual that is a pretty good entertainer. everything can have value if you know the true (poetic) way to receive it, fag.

[Anonymous No.18144501]

>>18142531
Reason is a tool, dont become cucked by it

[Anonymous No.18144511]

The whole Mahabharata? Isn't that like 5000 pages?

[Anonymous No.18144565]

>>18144188

[Anonymous No.18144580]

>>18142765
>Zeno's idea of motion being impossible
Is based and filters people who aren't ready for that level of thought.

[Anonymous No.18144744]

>>18144580
Elaborate

[Anonymous No.18144781]

>Perhaps, after all, the proof of social schemes was meant to be a posteriori rather than a priori. It would be a poor trade to give up a non-rational world in which you liked everybody for a rational one in which you liked nobody.

https://theimaginativeconservative.org/2017/11/up-from-liberalism-richard-weaver.html

[Anonymous No.18144830]

>check in on 4chan’s literature board
>find yet another den of socially and emotionally demented men that think philosophy is the determinant of happiness
>they don’t realize health, achieving goals, fun, making society better and love were always the actual key to happiness
>mistaking logic for a source of happiness rather than a tool to achieve it
>throw their hands up in frustration and openly give up on being logical or correct, instead appeasing to their base impulses and magical thinking
>these people will absolutely go on to argue against science and logic because they never understoood what it was in the first place
Lol why the fuck are you people like this?

[Anonymous No.18144833]

>>18142553
/lit/ hates the truth

[Anonymous No.18144839]

>>18143507
But I am a scientist.

[Anonymous No.18144898]

>>18144188
I don't watch these debates, but I think a lot of the culture around this is built around people who try to just deploy whatever works to "win" against their opponent, and that's how they define their politics. It came out of New Atheist culture and then some of them became either alt-righters or people whose politics are just defined about what "worked" when debating alt-righters, and now they're socialists or something. It's pretty dumb and seems like a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.18144902]

>>18142943
No Gathas, even though all Abrahamism ripped off from it more than Egyptian mythology.

[Anonymous No.18145064]

>>18144898
This. Political debate is supposed to be a collective search for truth. Not a tribal bloodsport.

[Anonymous No.18145200]

>>18144833
the truth on /pol/ maybe...

[Anonymous No.18145210]

>>18145064
>Political debate is supposed to be a collective search for truth.

[Anonymous No.18145264]

>>18142553
This level of projecting

[Anonymous No.18145306]

>>18144830
Nah, it's fatigue from people like OP's pic. Also, "logic" isn't what you think it is.
Also you're a nigger

[Anonymous No.18145386]

>>18142553
Lel fascism is at the start of the rabbit hole, not the end. You don't know shit.

[Anonymous No.18145439]

Attention, magic larpers: Most, if not all, "people" who reject science have never stepped inside of a laboratory, have never tried to model a phenomenon and test their prediction by measuring something, have no idea of the effort necessary to make affirmations in a hard science like physics or chemistry, etc etc.
Daily reminder that, no matter how hard you screech or larp:
>Science is the best and only existing method to explain phenomena we ever developed.
>Scientific measurements are the most precise test we ever created for verifying things.
>There is absolutely 0 reason to assume we need anything besides science to explain phenomena.
>There is absolutely 0 reason to believe in anything paranormal or outside of the physical realm. If you do it's an irrational choice you make akin to believing in superstitions, knocking on wood or shit like this.
> Spirituality and alternative science have been used since time immemorial to swindle honest and vulnerable people. You probably recognize how greedy and evil most people can be, and know how much they abuse these spiritual practices, yet you still defend this over the best tests we could actually perform.
> Science and science alone have brought literally all of the things necessary for you to lead your current life, and most of you would've died at your third week of life or would've never been born, studied, or have access to all your larping materials, without it.

Don't get me wrong, it's cool to read about religions and esoterism. It's cool to see all the symbology and stories people came up with. It's cool to read about qlyphot and alchemic treatises and the color of Saraswatis asshole. But you should do this much like you do when reading a religious text of a religion you don't believe in. It's insightful, but not truth.

[Anonymous No.18145458]

>>18142806
List some of your achievements

[Anonymous No.18145470]

>>18145439
autistic

[Anonymous No.18145476]

>>18145439
this has to be bait
If so, quite the bad one

[Anonymous No.18145498]

>>18145439
This is the best Hylic impersonation I've seen it a while kek,I'm going to use it,I think I had one more saved

[Anonymous No.18145506]

>>18142531
>BEEP BOOP BEEP BOOP
>I AM A MEAT CUMPUTOR
THESE HUMANS SEEM TO BE ACTING IRRATIONAL. MUST TERMINATE.
bANZINGO

[Anonymous No.18145512]

>>18145498
>I've seen it
aw fug,in

[Anonymous No.18145517]

>>18145470
It's true though.
Growing up, I always thought Quantum Mechanics was bullshit, for instance. I thought it was just scientists with too much time on their hands, just coming up with random shit, because pop-sci presented it like that. The way they talk about parallel universes and probabilistic events made it seem a rabbit could just pop into existence or turn into a hippo or shit. I actually decided to follow a career in physics to understand what this was really about.
The first time we did those seminal experiments in basic quantum mechanics (the double slit experiments, measuring quantization of energy levels, Compton scattering, Franck-Hertz, Stefan Boltzmann, etc etc, I had a feeling I wish most people here could have. I desperately felt quantum mechanics could NOT be true, because it wasn't intuitive. Even when learning the theory behind it, it seemed impossible and bizarre. I was desperate for Einstein and the hidden variables to be right, but what I wanted was irrelevant when they showed me the measurements and how to make them. I made them myself, and saw I had to give up my childish idea of what is intuitive or "a-priori" or not. Being forced to give up your intuition in favor of a measurement that proves you wrong is why science is beautiful, and is something that most people here will willingly always avoid.

[Anonymous No.18145548]

>>18144511
What’s wrong anon, it’s just a poem

[Anonymous No.18145550]

>>18145517
>Growing up, I always thought Quantum Mechanics was bullshit, for instance
kek, (i hope) this is bait

[Anonymous No.18145579]

>>18145517
> Growing up, I always thought Quantum Mechanics was bullshit
Wtf. Anon, I don’t think any of us think that.
You’re just retarded

[Anonymous No.18145601]

>>18145550
I'm being honest, it's not bait. When I first heard of quantum mechanics I was in high school, and it was probably through pop-sci figures like Michio Kaku or even worse. Some schizo highschool teachers I had, the kind that would be posting in this thread, recommended me documentaries like "what the bleep do we know". That shitty material was the first contact I had with quantum mechanics and it created a really bad first impression. People using that to justify water having feelings and etc.

What I'm saying is entirely true though. When you see people arguing esoterism and whatnot there is a huge appeal to intuition and feelings, these things that just "feel" like they have to be truth. Like "man there's no way all there is to reality is just atoms and fundamental interactions".
>>18145579
In your own words, without googling, could you tell me what you think quantum mechanics is all about, and what are some of the main claims and verified results it has?

[Anonymous No.18145608]

>>18142553
would have made sense if he became a christian or something

[Anonymous No.18145613]

>>18145517
>>18145439
Look at what you did to me

[Anonymous No.18145640]

>>18145439
YAWN

[Anonymous No.18145653]

>>18145601
>In your own words, without googling, could you tell me what you think quantum mechanics is all about, and what are some of the main claims and verified results it has?
shieeeet dis lil quarkis goin wavy and shiiet, we cant know if shchrodingbitch shit his pants until we check his diaper

[Anonymous No.18145667]

>>18145640
>belief
Missed a key word there, champ. The day Von Braun measured a spirit, every scientist in the world would be on his boat without needing to "believe" anything. What scientists believe and what scientists measure are two things that don't always overlap.

[Anonymous No.18145679]

>>18145517
>>18145439

[Anonymous No.18145683]

>>18145667
and yet everything ultimately rests on axioms which are merely "believed" to be tru

[Anonymous No.18145699]

>>18142531
Yeah.

You can be a rational, atheistic humanist always looking to Science and constantly deconstructing the world views of others, but ultimately there is something absolutely nihilistic and misery inducing about the whole business.

I've found it is better to give yourself over to spirituality, even if the whole thing is complete nonsense, and ascribe meaning to a lot of traditional societal beliefs, even if they don't exactly hold up to scrutiny, in the purpose of having a more meaningful and fulfilled existence.

[Anonymous No.18145702]

>>18145517
quantum mechanics is the same thing as magic bro, read Jung and Wolfgang Pauli

[Anonymous No.18145704]

>>18145683
Are you talking about science or math?

[Anonymous No.18145713]

>>18145439
>Attention, magic larpers: Most, if not all, "people" who reject science have never stepped inside of a laboratory,
Which is why almost all of them admit there are things that the natural science is actually good at. They're primarily concerned with metaphysical issues(outside the purview of natural sciences) or social issues which if taken charitably "science" has been negligible at actually producing meaningful changes, and taken uncharitably has been a gigantic fucking disaster. Otherwise why is it the most advanced nations also have the highest suicide rates? And when they do address natural sciences they're not questioning it's validity or rigor, they're questioning it's actual value to daily human life. Is the guy who lives to be 80 years old really better off than the guy who lives to be 65 if his life is comparatively full of social strife, self doubt, lack of meaning and no solid foundation by which to orient himself in the world?

[Anonymous No.18145731]

modern man is obsessed with controlling everything and becoming god. pretending nature and even other humans are just objects to be manipulated. suffering in pursuit of an impossible goal.
you have to free yourself by having humility and kneeling before nature and the gods

[Anonymous No.18145768]

>>18142573
I am nazbol retard

[Anonymous No.18145777]

>>18143748
>shut the fuck up dumb frogposting incel

[Anonymous No.18145850]

>>18145704
both lol

[Anonymous No.18145852]

>>18145640
damn a contextless paragraph, really changes my whole worldview. Also using scientist believing in the supernatural isn't a very good appeal to authority when most of them are atheist materialist

[Anonymous No.18145853]

>>18145439
>>18145517
>>18145601
This just makes you sound super retarded.
"I fucking Love Science"-esque
Also, science is a tool that only works within the confines of your perception. Science isn't going to be able to answer questions like "Who's experiencing my experiences?" or "What is a consciousness?" as these questions rest outside the sphere of perception.
Another thing,
>In your own words, without googling, could you tell me what you think quantum mechanics is all about, and what are some of the main claims and verified results it has?
you sound really proud of basic shit that any natural science would know.

[Anonymous No.18145857]

>>18145777

[Anonymous No.18145864]

>>18145853
*natural science major

[Anonymous No.18145955]

>>18145517
jesus fucking christ kid did you just blow off the boat from redd*ttown?

[Anonymous No.18145958]

>>18145853
>"I fucking Love Science"-esque
There's nothing about what I wrote that qualifies as that. "I fucking love science" people have likely never stepped in a lab either and are probably the ones recommending vapid pop-sci to others as well. I'm decidedly against that as a portrayal of what science is or does.
>"Who's experiencing my experiences?" or "What is a consciousness?" as these questions rest outside the sphere of perception.
Answers to these questions can be formulated in ways that generate testable predictions. The thing is we can't currently make those measurements, but of course it's true one can come up with questions that science shouldn't be able to answer (questions about fictional stories in alternate universes with different laws, for instance). This still doesn't imply we need anything paranormal to explain the reality that we live in.

[Anonymous No.18145978]

>>18145958
It doesn't imply we don't

[Anonymous No.18145984]

Hey ha ha post rats haha

[Anonymous No.18145987]

>>18142531
The rabbit hole you went through turned me into a ceremonial magickian...

[Anonymous No.18145992]

>>18142553
Important to remember the danger.

[Anonymous No.18146018]

>>18142765
Zenos paradoxes aren't the result of logical enquiry

[Anonymous No.18146028]

>>18145958
>This still doesn't imply we need anything paranormal to explain the reality that we live in.
Only if you assume that humans are inherently rational beings and are by that virtue going to be happier following rational axioms. Here's a thought experiment. Don't argue whether this is or is not the case, that's not the point, for the sake of discussion assume it is.

Here it is. Suppose humans are better off being irrational and believing in the unprovable. Would it still be better to expect them to orient themselves in a rational manner, just because it is "right"?

[Anonymous No.18146032]

>18145439
>>There is absolutely 0 reason to assume we need anything besides science to explain phenomena.
You need logic

[Anonymous No.18146088]

>>18142553
this same nigger in every fucking thread.

[Anonymous No.18146100]

>>18142531
But anon, reason IS spirit