/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18187352]

Any philosophers who defended (or argued in favor of) NEETdom?

[Anonymous No.18187358]

>>18187352
Diogenes.

[Anonymous No.18187408]

>>18187352
Morrissey

[Anonymous No.18187413]

>>18187408

[Anonymous No.18187415]

>>18187413
Despicable.

[Anonymous No.18187434]

>>18187413
Source?

[Anonymous No.18187436]

>>18187352
I'm not sure what aspect of NEETdom you're asking about. A popular comment normies give when talking to NEETs is "you're not contributing to society." If that's the case, then maybe Stirner, as his philosophy is that you have no moral obligation to do anything, including contributing to society. If you're asking about the lifestyle of being kind of a shut in, then maybe Cioran? He himself was pretty much a shut-in and talked about how horrible people were. >>18187358 mentioned Diogenes, which is another good suggestion. I'm not terribly familiar with hedonistic philosophers, but I'm sure that philosophy also applies

[Anonymous No.18187464]

>>18187436
if you somehow had a son and he became a neet, what would you say to him?

[Anonymous No.18187482]

>>18187436
None that you know of with a sort of anti-stirner message? That is, you have a moral obligation to not participate in a society that can be considered morally reprehensible?

[Anonymous No.18187485]

>>18187464
Not him but I'd tell him to get a job and start paying me rent or I'd throw him out.

[Anonymous No.18187498]

>>18187485
chud

[Anonymous No.18187506]

>>18187464
I would teach him that being neet is giving up on life. And that I would do everything in my power to bring him back his joy of Life.

[Anonymous No.18187514]

>>18187352

[Anonymous No.18187522]

>>18187506
thank you daddy

[Anonymous No.18187527]

>>18187352
Nietzsche, in a way.

[Anonymous No.18187532]

>>18187506

[Anonymous No.18187545]

>>18187498
Yes, and?

[Anonymous No.18187550]

>>18187436
>you're not contributing to society
"Maybe he should spend less time hiding in his room and more time on the means of production"
- Marx's mother

[Anonymous No.18188378]

>>18187352
What's the name of that one phenomena where you procrastinate on something so you plan more for it to justify procrastinating, which in turn makes you procrastinate to handle it all, causing you to enter an endless loop of procrastination and planning?

[Anonymous No.18188389]

Dugin

[Anonymous No.18188392]

>>18187352
Bob Black

[Anonymous No.18188409]

>>18187506
People usually don't grow up thinking "I don't want to do anything with myself! I want to sit and rot!" People tend to become neet because they have no better alternatives. And it's bootstrappy nonsense to think you can turn it around without anything to get you out of that local minima hole you're in. It's only after festering in needhood for to long that neets seek to ego-defensively rationalize it by saying "haha look at those wagies, you're breaks over! Time to get back to work! Mush mush!"

[Anonymous No.18188433]

At a certain point you realize that the world would actually be a much better place if much less people worked

[Anonymous No.18188450]

yes but NEETdom is a dark path i dont want anyone to indulge in it. only way to live it is by being autiscally religious

t. neet

[Anonymous No.18188478]

>>18187532
never understood what motivates people to type out stuff like this

[Anonymous No.18188485]

>>18187352
>Guenon

[Anonymous No.18188491]

>>18188478
the post is just as vain as the photo

[Anonymous No.18188549]

>>18188378
Procrastination doom loop?

[Anonymous No.18188570]

I have been a NEET over ten years now

[Anonymous No.18188598]

>>18188570
Based, how are you holding up? 5 years in myself - feeling better than ever after replacing vidya/boozing with writing/lifting. Can't even imagine going out there again to work or socialize, not that I ever enjoyed either of those.

[Anonymous No.18188636]

>>18188598

Better than ever and COVID was my last laugh at a world I have no interest in being a part of. Thinking of saving money for a canal boat or something.

[Anonymous No.18188646]

Bataille

[Anonymous No.18188653]

>>18188636
>COVID was my last laugh at a world
Kek, absolutely. Seeing the normies seethe after their bugmen activities got shut down was peak schadenfreude.

[Anonymous No.18188684]

>>18188378
The past ten years of my life.

[Anonymous No.18189318]

>>18188684
Go on off and hang yourself

[Anonymous No.18189364]

Ignatius Reilly

[Anonymous No.18189392]

>>18187352
Labor (with the exception of philosophy, the arts, statesmanship and military service) was considered the occupation of slaves for the Greeks. Even free merchants were looked down upon for their occupation.

[Anonymous No.18189410]

>>18187352
James Mason

[Anonymous No.18189491]

>>18187485
Typical american fag, making your own son pay kek

[Anonymous No.18189634]

Do you consider Marx a philosopher?

[Anonymous No.18190022]

>>18188653
Very ironic since we are using the most bugman activity of them all: the internet

[Anonymous No.18190221]

>>18187413
they hate him because he tells the truth

[Anonymous No.18190711]

>>18188478
are you the guy in the picture?

[Anonymous No.18190785]

>>18187413
is that from Morrisey's book?

[Anonymous No.18190790]

>>18187485

[Anonymous No.18190799]

>>18187506
why is being NEET giving up on life? I feel a lot of people equate being a neet to being a shut-in hikiomori. A neet can actually have a very fulfilling life, but you need a high level of consciouseness so it's definitely not for most people.

[Anonymous No.18190877]

>>18190799
If I had a son who was a neet but at least had a hobby/interest like music or reading or anything and actually produced/worked at something I would maybe let them stay neet mode, but a faggot who just sits there and plays vidya/smokes weed/masturbates and expects other people to pay for his vain addictions has another thing coming.

[Anonymous No.18190902]

>>18187352
Marx

[Anonymous No.18190910]

>>18187352
Noam Chomsky kind of. He just acknowledges that getting a job is a kind of slavery.

[Anonymous No.18190917]

>>18190785
>>18187434
Moz had a lot of penpals in his youth. It is from one of the letters that got published.

[Anonymous No.18190924]

>>18190902
Quite the opposite actually.
>inb4 he was a NEET

He worked harder than you ever will.

[Anonymous No.18191012]

>>18187352
I AM NEET
HEAR ME NOT BE IN EDUCATION
FEEL ME NOT BE IN EMPLOYMENT
SMELL ME NOT BE IN TRAINING

[Nemo !!GgBWHLRiayD No.18191353]

>>18187352
The problem is not one of "NEETdom", but, rather, one of misutilizing, or underutilizing —wasting—, one's fortuitous privelages, and youthful potential.

[Anonymous No.18192371]

>>18187485
you actually wouldnt

[Anonymous No.18192407]

Rightoids think Marx was anti-work. Do ya'll retards ever read or do you just watch (((pragerU)))?

[Anonymous No.18192428]

Debord
>>18192407
Kill yourself bunkerchud

[Anonymous No.18192437]

>>18192428
Just let daddy tell why being a wagie is so good! I dont think you can handle the Real.

[Anonymous No.18192479]

>>18187464
Not that anon but as long he used the time to work on art, congratulate him for being a Chad. If he was just some faggot playing vidya, I'd take away all of his toys.
>>18188570
Based as fuck. I'm only at my sixth if we count three semesters when I was registered at an uni and went for a few exams as a break.
>>18188598
Based too. Though I'm starting to replace lifting with boozing. Not sure it has a positive effect on writing but man, listening to music when tipsy is just something else.

[Anonymous No.18192484]

>>18190877
>but a faggot who just sits there and plays vidya/smokes weed/masturbates and expects other people to pay for his vain addictions has another thing coming
I think something most reasonable people can agree with. It's just annoying that THIS is often seen as the only way to be a NEET.

[Anonymous No.18192499]

>>18187352
Socrates/Plato constantly talks about the fact that general society cares about pointless things (money, fame, sensual pleasures, ‘progress’ etc.) and that the only worthwhile pursuit is contemplation of the interior soul and world of forms. Sounds pretty NEET to me

[Anonymous No.18192712]

>>18187352
Cioran

[Anonymous No.18192746]

>>18188485
See >>18187514

[Anonymous No.18192756]

>>18187485
die boomer

[Anonymous No.18192764]

>>18192499
they really did pave the way for life denying christcuck ascetics, didn't they?

[Anonymous No.18192771]

>>18192437
wut

[Anonymous No.18192792]

Let's say I knew someone who has been a NEET for over 4 years and still lives with his parents. What can I do?

[Anonymous No.18192832]

>>18192792
you can tear off his pants and tongue his bratty asshole in front of mommy and daddy

[Anonymous No.18193122]

>>18188409
When I was a teenager I thought I wanted to become a bigshot lawyer or banker and make a lot of money. As I actually confronted the real world I realized work was slavery and since I live in a socialist country I opted for the state-sponsored NEETbux option after finishing college.
People who get angry at NEETs are projecting or bitter and wish they could stop working.

[Anonymous No.18193136]

>>18187358
>>18187436
Diogenes provided food for himself. He wasn't a neet. He was just antisocial and lived in the wilderness.

[Anonymous No.18194045]

>>18193122
you guys got any room for one more?

[Anonymous No.18194186]

>>18193136
He was a NEET, as he wasn't in education, employment or training.

[Anonymous No.18194560]

>>18192792
tell me he is your new guru

[Anonymous No.18195950]

>>18192428
>Debord
Where does he talk about this?

[Anonymous No.18195971]

>>18195950
On the walls of the rue de Seine

[Anonymous No.18196166]

I think Plato said that philosophers should be either well-off enough not to have a job or they should mooch off the government

[Anonymous No.18196244]

>>18188378
Fucking kill me man, my life since the pandemic

[Anonymous No.18197475]

>>18196166
What's even the difference?

[Anonymous No.18197778]

>>18193136
you don't know what a neet is

[Anonymous No.18198473]

>>18190917
Based if true.

[Anonymous No.18198529]

We need UBI for NEETmaxxing and arranged marriage for taking care of the urge to mate

[Anonymous No.18198659]

>>18198529
>Let'a give the state all the power they need to crush us like the bugs they feed us.

[Anonymous No.18198668]

>>18198659
Who said anything about the state?

[Anonymous No.18198680]

>>18198668
>UBI

[Anonymous No.18200020]

>>18198680
Yes, and?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18200034]

>>18200020
UBI would be issued by a state
> We need UBI for NEETmaxxing and arranged marriage for taking care of the urge to mate
Okay?

[Anonymous No.18200120]

>>18200034ubi would be issued by your meaty lady pussy and and asshole

[Anonymous No.18200181]

>>18200034
I can picture you as goverment worker, doing UBI by going from basement to basement and having sex with incels as mandated by human right degree in the constitution.

UGHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.18200213]

>>18188378
analysis paralysis

[Anonymous No.18200220]

>>18188378
procrastination and analyses are symptoms of the anxiety and panicking

when you deal with the later two, first two deconstruct themselves

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18200265]

>>18200181
UBI is a good temporary mechanism for pandemics and lockdowns and such, but it’s unsustainable
https://youtu.be/QGBQwZsp3T0

Post socialist work life will be a lot lighter, not difficult for 98% of people. NEETs will be old people and invalids

[Anonymous No.18200328]

>>18200265
Care to sum up his argument why it isn't sustainable? I hate watching videos and the blog post rambles on and on focusing on numbers as if they are static and ignores the other effects like lower stress lowering health care costs and costs from workers skipping work with sick days and so on.

The tax argument seems lazy too, no shit rich fags don't pay their share but that's nothing that can't be fixed if there was a will to do it. And then there is the whole inheritance can of worm that needs to be fixed if anyone wants to claim that capitalism has anything in common with meritocracy.

[Anonymous No.18200354]

>>18190877
>a faggot who just sits there and plays vidya/smokes weed/masturbates and expects other people to pay for his vain addictions has another thing coming.
I have a friend like this. His whole family died (over time) and left him with 4 million dollars by the end of it, so he can get away with it. He is disgusted by the idea of doing anything for anyone.

[Anonymous No.18200801]

>>18200354
Damn, I wish I was him.

[Anonymous No.18201122]

>>18187352
Guénon.
See what he says about modern work and the work frenzy

[Anonymous No.18201250]

>>18190877
Literally my life right now. You wouldn't get it.

[Anonymous No.18201273]

>>18193122
The thing is that people don't get that work is a choice. If there's any way to avoid it then everyone is free to make that choice. Truth is that most people just can't not work. They need it for their sanity and because that's what they learned to be. But they don't understand what's going on so they hate the NEET and call them leeches when in fact they only do what they want to do anyway.

[Anonymous No.18201281]

>>18201122
Where would he have talked about this?

[Anonymous No.18201350]

>>18201281
https://books.google.fr/books?id=RjgkDa_t7-IC&lpg=PA54&ots=Z3lnm9qeoI&dq=on%20the%20glorification%20of%20work%20guenon&pg=PA54#v=onepage&q=on%20the%20glorification%20of%20work%20guenon&f=false
Link to the book, "initiation and spiritual realization" and the chapter 10 ", "on the glorification of work".

[Anonymous No.18201360]

>>18187352
I’m a filthy neet but i never yell at my mother :-(

[Anonymous No.18201371]

Is elon musk a neet?

[Anonymous No.18202771]

>>18187352
give me one reason why I should read something like dune instead of real life historical events like the napoleonic wars?

[Anonymous No.18202845]

>>18187464
Depends. If he's not in education or employed, meh ok. But if he just holes up in his room doing nothing I would throw away his computer.

[Anonymous No.18202866]

>>18202845
What if he still holes up in his room doing nothing even after that

[Anonymous No.18202868]

>>18202866
things would get sexually abusive

[Anonymous No.18202869]

>>18192792
>What can I do?
Nothing. Leave him alone.

[Anonymous No.18202875]

>>18187408
>>18187413
I decree today that life
Is simply taking and not giving
England is mine, it owes me a living

[Anonymous No.18202876]

>>18191353
Yeah. NEETs suffer not because they don’t work. They suffer because while they don’t work they find themselves enslaved by porn, video games, passivity, and laziness. Most NEETs do not become NEETs because they choose not to work. They become NEETs because they default not to working since they find themselves so inadequate to adapting to the world of education, employment, or training. That is hell.

[Anonymous No.18202904]

>>18202866
Atleast he is forced to do something more productive with his time. He would get bored without pc eventually.

[Anonymous No.18202922]

>>18200354
FUCKING BASED. Imagine actually wanting to contribute to soiciety.

[Anonymous No.18202967]

>>18193122
>I opted for the state-sponsored NEETbux option after finishing college
whoa, elaborate? how does one go about this?

[Anonymous No.18202973]

>>18202876
Projection & sour grapes

[Anonymous No.18202977]

>>18202967
Step 1: be from a european country
I guess if you're a burger you can try for autismbux but I hear it's tedious

[Anonymous No.18203016]

>>18202973
How is it projection and sour grapes when it’s so obviously true. Do you even know any NEETs? I was one myself. I probably will be again.

[Anonymous No.18203020]

>>18193122
Meanwhile, my dumb ass chased the white collar carrot until I was 28 and I’m just now giving up. At this point, what am I going to do? Just be a NEET for the first time at 28?

[Anonymous No.18203026]

>>18203016
I am a NEET, but I don't enjoy being a slave so your post is meaningless to me
>I was one myself.
How is it not projection then, you're making a general case out of your neuroses

[Anonymous No.18203033]

>>18203020
>Just be a NEET for the first time at 28?
Better late than never, friend

[Anonymous No.18203053]

cTherine zeta jones

[Anonymous No.18203124]

>>18188409
>>18202876
I don't know about you guys but I used to be a NEET because I really did not want to work, I'm only working now because I need the money to survive, but if I could I'd go back to being a NEET again.

[Anonymous No.18203227]

>>18202977
>be from a european country
i'm in the calvinist work ethic country so no luck with that

[Anonymous No.18203239]

Buddhists and Advaitins.
fuck those leeches

[Anonymous No.18203309]

>>18202977
>Step 1: be from a european country
Not every european country as NEETbux

t. spaniard

[Anonymous No.18203340]

>>18203026
Because it’s what I’ve observed and your particular instance doesn’t necessarily change the norm.

>>18203124
It’s a catch 22 though. At least for me, you work to survive but the only reason I survive is to continue working it seems. Why do I do it?

[Nemo !!GgBWHLRiayD No.18203464]

>>18202876
Disregarding degenerates who remain as such regardless of whether they are "NEET", the detrimental preconditions of "NEETdom" —for those who belong to this category since early youth— consist in fostering morbid antisociality, to the degree of effectively conditioning one to ignore communities that are optimally, and maximally, conducive to one's personal growth/maturation, and that focus primarily on the individual anyway, by virtue of their ambit; this is why virtually all lifelong "NEETs" grow up to be interrelationally stunted, incapable of fathoming others.

[Anonymous No.18203537]

>>18187352
i don't have an issue with NEETs since i don't have to look or interact with them.
i just push as much as i can to get rid of social nets and welfare.
don't want to work? fine by me. but i aint paying shit for you

[Anonymous No.18203560]

>>18187352
/lit/'s favorite writer, Charles Bukowski

>[...] They call it “9 to 5.” It’s never 9 to 5, there’s no free lunch break at those places, in fact, at many of them in order to keep your job you don’t take lunch. Then there’s OVERTIME and the books never seem to get the overtime right and if you complain about that, there’s another sucker to take your place.
> You know my old saying, “Slavery was never abolished, it was only extended to include all the colors.”
> And what hurts is the steadily diminishing humanity of those fighting to hold jobs they don’t want but fear the alternative worse. People simply empty out. They are bodies with fearful and obedient minds. The color leaves the eye. The voice becomes ugly. And the body. The hair. The fingernails. The shoes. Everything does.
> As a young man I could not believe that people could give their lives over to those conditions. As an old man, I still can’t believe it. What do they do it for? Sex? TV? An automobile on monthly payments? Or children? Children who are just going to do the same things that they did?
> Early on, when I was quite young and going from job to job I was foolish enough to sometimes speak to my fellow workers: “Hey, the boss can come in here at any moment and lay all of us off, just like that, don’t you realize that?”
> They would just look at me. I was posing something that they didn’t want to enter their minds.
> Now in industry, there are vast layoffs (steel mills dead, technical changes in other factors of the work place). They are layed off by the hundreds of thousands and their faces are stunned:
> “I put in 35 years...”
> “It ain’t right...”
> “I don’t know what to do...”
> They never pay the slaves enough so they can get free, just enough so they can stay alive and come back to work. I could see all this. Why couldn’t they? I figured the park bench was just as good or being a barfly was just as good. Why not get there first before they put me there? Why wait?
> I just wrote in disgust against it all, it was a relief to get the shit out of my system. And now that I’m here, a so-called professional writer, after giving the first 50 years away, I’ve found out that there are other disgusts beyond the system.
> I remember once, working as a packer in this lighting fixture company, one of the packers suddenly said: “I’ll never be free!”
> One of the bosses was walking by (his name was Morrie) and he let out this delicious cackle of a laugh, enjoying the fact that this fellow was trapped for life.
> So, the luck I finally had in getting out of those places, no matter how long it took, has given me a kind of joy, the jolly joy of the miracle. [...]

[Anonymous No.18203599]

>>18188478
Every single person whom I've seen assume that someone's a "herbivore" out of context turned out to be the kind of morbidly obese person who stuffs his face with tendies and dies of diabetes under 40.

[Anonymous No.18203617]

>>18202875
Everyone glorifies the Queen
More should follow her example

[Anonymous No.18203623]

>>18188478
You're commenting on 4chan, you're not exactly anywhere on the food chain

[Anonymous No.18203694]

>>18201371
Elon musk sus chungus

[Anonymous No.18203769]

>>18201371
don't know about his daily routine, but I feel like people like him (that is, mega rich people) sort of transcend the neet/wagecuck dichotomy

[Anonymous No.18203792]

>>18198529
neetdom is only for the chosen ones, ugly souls should be forced to work

[Anonymous No.18203807]

>>18203769
You mean they live like actual humans. The rest of us live like animals

[Anonymous No.18203821]

>>18202771
there's none, history is just as much of a fiction a dune and harry potter or whatever

[Anonymous No.18203837]

>>18203340
you are implying YOUR particular instance is the norm. You are literally projecting, you are literally retarded.

[Anonymous No.18203861]

>>18203537
>but i aint paying shit for you
you are

[Anonymous No.18203873]

>>18187464
I’d ask him what he wanted out of life, and if he was satisfied with his life then I wouldn’t tell him do anything other than what he wanted.

[Anonymous No.18203875]

>>18188409
>I don't want to do anything with myself! I want to sit and rot!
literally me

[Anonymous No.18203884]

goddamn niggers how do i become neet in burgerland, I cannot stand this shit anymore. someone post a guide or something

[Anonymous No.18203906]

>>18203884
it's easy, in american when u become neet they even throw in a free bottle of opioids to get you started, just say you hurt your back in the coal mine, if the first doc doesn't go for it, go to the next doc down the road, i read somewhere that like 10 percent of ppl in tennessee or kentucky or where ever are on ssi

[Anonymous No.18203942]

>>18188478
it's fun

[Anonymous No.18203960]

>>18203309
Pretty sure I recall a Spaniard on /lit/ venting about how much gibs they are a few years ago. Now he likely was full of shit, but it'd be damn weird if you had zero too. Aren't like half of the young people unemployed in Spain, how do they pay the bills?

[Anonymous No.18203963]

>>18203884
Have rich and generous parents or a drug addiction

[Anonymous No.18204001]

>>18203807
Meh, he's just a neet with more money to coonsoom. Only noteworthy thing he got and I don't is the fame.

[Anonymous No.18204018]

>>18204001
He also has the money do whatever he wants without worrying about survival. He always did. Humanity is about being post scarcity

[Anonymous No.18204025]

>>18203960
Young people live with their parents in Spain.

[Anonymous No.18204046]

>>18204001
he also can steer the future of mankind by starting a private colony on mars while you get to watch cartoons

[Anonymous No.18204053]

>>18204018
Well, neets don't have to worry about survival either. Seems close enough to post scarcity. Now sure, he can spend much more but is it really "do whatever he wants money?" Shit like Mars is far beyond his budget and still requires state bucks.
>>18204046
He doesn't have nearly enough money for that. He couldn't even afford a one way flight there; that all requires taxpayer bucks.

[Anonymous No.18204059]

>>18204053
>He doesn't have nearly enough money for that. He couldn't even afford a one way flight there; that all requires taxpayer bucks.
that means he is the godhead of the state meanwhile you get to watch cartoons

[Anonymous No.18204071]

>>18204059
But he really isn't. He has to beg them for help for his shit just like any other neet.

Billionaires are in a funny spot when they have much more money than they could personally ever spend but nowhere near enough to seriously impact the world by themselves.

[Anonymous No.18204080]

>>18204071
haha ya billionaires are such idiots unlike you

[Anonymous No.18204095]

>>18204080
How did you read that out?

[Anonymous No.18204159]

>>18204059
>meanwhile you get to watch cartoons
cartoons are based, fag

[Anonymous No.18204170]

>>18204046
>he also can steer the future of mankind by starting a private colony on mars while you get to watch cartoons

[Anonymous No.18204176]

>>18187527
We don't call him NEETzsche for nothing.

[Anonymous No.18204184]

>>18188478
never understood what motivates people to type out stuff like this

[Anonymous No.18204227]

>>18203464
you're not smart or interesting
you're mediocre and boring

[Anonymous No.18204233]

>>18204227
seethe and cope

[Anonymous No.18204268]

>>18204184
never understood what motivates people to type out stuff like this

[Anonymous No.18204791]

>>18204025
Yeah but it's not like these have the money either.

[Anonymous No.18204797]

>>18203884
Is there even a real neet guide for Yurop? I'm just doing it the "too bad I can't find a job :(" - way but sounds like there are fuckers who are completely left alone.

[Anonymous No.18204809]

>>18194186
he was in self-education

[Anonymous No.18204828]

>>18204809
As anyone should be.

[Anonymous No.18204870]

>>18203769
>>18203807
Even small business owners in general live infinitely better lives than wagecucks and possibly even neets because of the extra cash. You're never forced to come into work, you don't have a boss, when you do go to work you're free to come and go whenever you want, you make all the rules and set the standard for the culture that you want at your workplace, etc. There are of course downsides - the huge financial risk, needing to make lots of money and be very skilled and knowledgeable in your field being a massive barrier to entry, having to manage your managers and employees, and much more that I can't think of.

Business owners and neets have more in common than you might think, I've known dozens in my life and they all hated working for someone else, they would rather make shit money in exchange for their freedom and independence, they think that wagecucks are suckers to the rat race, and they don't mind putting long hours of work into their business because it's directly benefiting their financial interest in the business. But if you're even moderately successful, you can also live like Elon Musk.

[Anonymous No.18204897]

>>18204870
One point of similarity seems the risk tasking. Neets have the social one while business owners a bit of that and their savings. Wagecucks prefer the safety and not standing out.

[Anonymous No.18204898]

>>18204870
So you're saying I should become business owner at all costs?

[Anonymous No.18204910]

>>18204897
>being a neet in your moms basement
>risk taking
jesus

[Nemo !!GgBWHLRiayD No.18204913]

>>18204809
"Selfhelp", "selfimprovement", "selfeducation", et cetera, are all euphemisms for: "combustive freneticism", and are tautological in regard to any genuine autistic (selfpracticing) person.

[Anonymous No.18204922]

>>18204910
>risk of people hating you for no reason
>lower amount of money risks your participation in society
>mommy is going to kick the bucket risks your long term future

[Nemo !!GgBWHLRiayD No.18205078]

>>18204913
>...and are tautological in regard to any genuine autistic (selfpracticing) person[, which Diogenes, being a schizopathic doghuman, was not.]

[Anonymous No.18205176]

>>18204059
I hope that thanks to his hard endeavours I will be able to watch cartoons from inside my comfy Martian dome.

[Anonymous No.18205296]

>>18203464
>ignore communities that are optimally, and maximally, conducive to one's personal growth/maturation
Yes professor goldstein, you're absolutely correct. these poor children don't know what's best for them - we have so many diverse and inclusive communities that our independent experts in sociology have vetted for maximal positive benefit to personal growth, infact now that you mention it i would like to propose a credit system of sorts, where participation in such a group is merited, and absense is... "noted".
Such a system I think will have a drastic improvement in community participation, and will reflect particularly positively on various economic trackers.

[Nemo !!GgBWHLRiayD No.18205700]

>>18205296
You are an example of the sardonical burnouts on which the hypermodern system thrives, void of the combative spirit, and of any socialistic aspirations.

[Anonymous No.18206052]

>>18193122
>I live in a socialist country
Welfare isn’t the same thing as socialism you Retard cunt

[Anonymous No.18206070]

>>18205176
i don't think mars will reach the decadent stage in our lifetime, there were no neets in the massachusetts bay colony

[Anonymous No.18206104]

>>18206070
Why would anyone want to move to a deserted, radioactive shithole with slow Internet anyway?

[Anonymous No.18206205]

>>18187352
You ever feel like a poser or a fraud? Like maybe you want to write a certain character or story that has slightly semi-autobiographical elements but you give them certain traits, or experiences, or put them in a setting that you have no experience with?

[Anonymous No.18206260]

>>18206205
Is this a new pasta? How does it even make sense for writers to worry about, specially in 2005+16 when you can talk directly to anyone who has the relevant experience.

[Anonymous No.18206278]

im such an autistic nigger ahhhhhhhh fuck, help

[Anonymous No.18207106]

>>18205700
nta but you're fucking pathetic, your combative spirit is tripfagging on 4chan and posting pictures next to your shitty LARP posts

[Anonymous No.18207167]

Are there actually any books about taking the NEETpill?

[Anonymous No.18207289]

Can I take the NEET pill in Mexico?
Working here fucking sucks and the money isn't enough for anything.

[Anonymous No.18207316]

>>18187352
neet becomes its own philosophy
by virtue of existence something has merit
everything plays its part

the issue with phil as this board talks about it, is empiricism
the rolling times establish certain levels on the web
all is subject to change

one example i can see
is that neeting prevents these bullshit jobs from existing. the ones that boomers defend to the death, as they uphold their livestyles
it makes it so the jobs need to be more fruitful and inviting, and can't simply rely on arbitrary value and price increases of things like housing and other costs

when we are given the power to dissociate, a system of processes is forced to change as it can no longer siphon on that energy

you can expand this to reality itself
when we dissociate and say something like "i will not involve myself" or "i will not involve myself until X happens", well, reality wants your participation. if enough people act this way, esp with unified perspective, reality will begin to reflect


personally i would like to see more environments established for our own learning, play, and development.
pretty sick of being downstream billionaires playing boomer sandbox simulator

[Anonymous No.18207335]

>>18207289
Are you in danger of being kidnapped by cartels every day?

[Anonymous No.18207339]

>>18188478
The same impulse that motivates people to write books about phenomena, you absolute spastic. “Reading” and event, image or media to extrapolate some broader connotations is essential to the intelligent mind.
I’m sorry that it alludes you.
>>18188491
How is a post on an anonymous image board the same as someone posting their personal vaccine card for the world to see an equivalency?

The subtext of both your posts are “I must side against my perceived opponents” let me try and undermine it, because I certainly can’t defend the donut soi faggot”.
This board is so awful.

[Anonymous No.18207414]

>>18207335
No, but i'm in danger of being mugged everyday.

[Anonymous No.18207455]

>>18207414
just join a cartel

[Anonymous No.18207545]

I've been a NEET for 5 years now, there is nothing great about it. I'm only like this because everything else is so much worse. I was depressed in school, and the thoughts of working make me anxious. People become neets because it's an ultimate retreat from life. If I don't exist in the world at all then I don't experience social failure, I don't see that people are better than me, more popular, more attractive, better adjusted. The cost of doing this though is that life becomes completely meaningless

[Anonymous No.18207553]

I've been a neet for half a decade because I just had to retreat from life. I was practically catatonic before from the stress of everything. People become neets because it's the best out of a lot of bad options. And even then it sucks and is meaningless. I don't know what I'm gonna do.

[Anonymous No.18207620]

>>18203960
There's unemployment gibs but you only get that if you've worked before and if you haven't been fired because you fucked up, and they're temporary, but as far as I know that's about it, I often hear people from the US or other countries getting autismbux but here in Spain the only way to get a disability pension because of mental illness here in Spain is to be so mentally deranged that you basically have to be under surveillance 24/7 for fear of harming yourself or others, or you have to be straight up retarded, anything else is not gonna get you shit.

[Anonymous No.18207628]

>>18203960
>>18207620
Also like that other anon said, a lot of people here live with their parents, and those that don't usually end up sharing an apartment because otherwise rent is simply too expensive in most cities.

[Anonymous No.18207646]

[Anonymous No.18207681]

>>18207620
>There's unemployment gibs but you only get that if you've worked before and if you haven't been fired because you fucked up, and they're temporary, but as far as I know that's about it
Damn, that sucks. So guess the only way is to get hired for jobs with high turnover and hope you get fired due not appearing motivated enough.

We have a tier like that in Germany too but also basic neetbucks that only require you to look for a job. The more I read about burgers, the better their autismbucks look in comparison, though it seems hard to tell whether a normal person could trick a doctor into that.

[Anonymous No.18207714]

>>18204080
correct

[Anonymous No.18207731]

>>18207681
Well I did forget to mention that we do have some additional temporary neetbux if you've been in unemployment for a long time, like 5 years or more, it requires you to have worked a job first and you have to look for employment during that time, the state will also look for jobs for you and if they find one they will call you if they find one and if you refuse the job they'll take away your benefits, also if you get a job the unemployment time resets so if you want them again you're gonna have to wait another 5 years without a job before they give them to you.

My mother has been receiving unemployment benefits for a long time now, the main reason being that they've literally never called her for any job offers, so she's managed to stay unemployed long enough to qualify for the extra benefits. They've probably never called her because she's an old woman with massive gaps in her CV so she's pretty much unemployable at this point. A young guy on the other hand will probably get a job offer so he will be forced to work.

[Anonymous No.18207748]

>>18207681
>>18207731
Both of fags live in Europe, why can't you do some networking with noramlfag art scene cunts and sell your bullshit to them? Is making an art career also hard in Europe?

[Anonymous No.18207769]

>>18207748
>Is making an art career also hard in Europe?
I know a guy who's working as a concept artist for a videogame studio, but he was really really good.

[Anonymous No.18207781]

>>18204870
In other words, both hate people, but NEETs stay away and business owners abuse them.

>tfw broke and not immoral enough to sell snake oil

[Anonymous No.18207798]

>>18207731
>if you get a job the unemployment time resets so if you want them again you're gonna have to wait another 5 years without a job before they give them to you
Am I missing something crucial? This sounds like a great system to encourage people NOT to take any more jobs and fail the job interviews for the ones one get called for.
>>18207748
Art careers are always a hit and miss. Besides, I'm a writer, and the publishing industry in Germany is a joke, so I have to query international agents anyway.

I recall NZ and possibly Iceland giving out grants for artists but we'll probably see UBI in Europe before that.
>>18207781
Dunno about others but I never hated anyone as a NEET. If anything, the freedom I enjoy makes it easier to empathize with others. If I were a stressed wagecuck, I'd bet it'd be harder.

[Anonymous No.18207802]

>>18207769
Education is really fucking cheap in Europe. You should try to do a BFA/MFA in painting, photography, creative writing, contemporary art etc. And maybe take your chances to penetrate in. Or you will develop an artistic hobby to use it as a space of freedom from your future wagecage if you are NEET right now.

[Anonymous No.18207810]

>>18207748
>why can't you do some networking with noramlfag
Because I despise normies with all my heart, don't you think that's the primary reason why NEETs decide to live in mom's basement?

[Anonymous No.18207824]

>>18207802
Not him but I'd wish I'd looked into the shit when applying for uni. I went with some business economics cancer because they took almost everyone and the goal was just to get extra neetbucks for studying without ever going there. With more arts-y stuff it'd be at least some interesting free lessons but now it ain't free for me anymore.

[Anonymous No.18207836]

>>18207798
>Dunno about others but I never hated anyone as a NEET.
I guess I'm lumping NEETs and hikikomoris together here, you're right.

[Anonymous No.18207839]

>>18207810
Meh, normies are fine. The rules of capitalism where you have to sell yourself as a good, little drone to impress your boss and then shill for whatever shit he wants you to, is what puts me off the stuff the most, aside of wasting my time to make someone rich.

[Anonymous No.18207845]

>>18207810
I also despise them. And I understand your statement but if I was in Europe I would try my best to milk them to get easy gibs. There nothing much that a NEET can lose anyway except [/spoiler/]their moms of course[/spoiler/]. In the case of failure, your mom's basement is always available.

[Anonymous No.18207869]

>>18207824
>With more arts-y stuff it'd be at least some interesting free lessons but now it ain't free for me anymore.
Fucking hell.
Can you apply for scholarship in other countries?

[Anonymous No.18207875]

>>18207839
And here in Germany even the language drives the point home about the cuckoldry. Instead of employer and employee it's Arbeitsgeber (work-giver) and Arbeitsnehmer (work-taker).

[Anonymous No.18207881]

I suffer as a schizoid neet with no neetbux

[Anonymous No.18207883]

>>18207869
Probably but then it'd take actual effort to get it and would generally take the main thing away from me (time). It'd be cool to have some free art-related courses on the side versus bullshit about business economics and marketing; now it'd just cut into my writing-time.

[Anonymous No.18207928]

>>18207883
>now it'd just cut into my writing-time.
If you are satisfied with it then that's okay friend. This might be another grass is always greener on the other side type of thing.

[Anonymous No.18207947]

>>18207620
You must channel your inner PIGS to extract state gibs

[Anonymous No.18207955]

>>18207798
The thing is, if the job center calls you for a job that they found for you, you HAVE to take the job, there's no way around it, I mean, you can refuse but then they'll take away the unemployment benefits. But sure you can fuck up the interviews you do yourself, nobody's stopping you.

[Anonymous No.18207977]

>>18207798
>>18207955
Ok, I screwed up, I forgot one very big requirement to actually get the bux, not only do you have to have been unemployed for a long time, but you also have to be over 45 years old. So if you're young you don't get shit no matter how long you've been unemployed.

[Anonymous No.18208005]

>>18187352
None worthy of note. A human is a political animal, it needs society to be a human, and thus it has to cooperate with that society by completing common projects in groups (families, clans, teams, cults etc). A being outside of society is either an animal or a god.
You are not a god, hence a NEET degrades into an animal.
Now, some societies are objectively bad for you, especially if you are the designated money pig or object of ridicule, and it is totally okay to leave such a hostile society. But you have to leave for a society that is better for you and to which you can contribute meaningfully, and not scurry into nowhere. Even in case of monks, only the most dedicated and experienced ones went into solitary living for long periods of time, and even then there were usually "republics of monks" living relatively nearby coming to discuss faith or pray together at times. And most lived in monasteries that are basically one-gendered poleis, a living breathing society with clear goals and hierarchies.
So, don't just infomasturbate on chans, but find yourself a society you want to be a part of and train/study for it.

[Anonymous No.18208014]

>>18188378
Analysis paralysis and information overload, also anxiety from fear of failure.
Lower information intake, solve paralysis by randomness (toss a coin or use a random number generator), "just do it" or break tasks into chunks that are less stressful.
Like instead of doing a full workout routine, make just 1 (one) moveset. Don't like it - at least you did that, you like it and get momentum - use momentum to do some more.

[Anonymous No.18208110]

Henry David Thoreau
>fuck society and fuck charity, the world would be better if we just lived in nature like a bunch of Indians
>why yes, I did borrow or buy most of my stuff from normies and I'm currently squatting on someone's land, why do you ask?

[Anonymous No.18208175]

>>18208005
Politics is a state of action, of free men out together in public. Work or labor, on the other hand, is nothing but being kept in the sphere of the household (oikonomia), a most ignoble thing to the Greeks. Read Arendt.

[Anonymous No.18208189]

>>18208110
>why yes, I did borrow or buy most of my stuff from normies and I'm currently squatting on someone's land, why do you ask?
that sounds like pretty Indian behaviour to me, he's a man of his word.

[Anonymous No.18208206]

>>18208005
It was much easier to earn a living if you had high school tier education, without having to completely relinquish every ounce of brain and dignity.

[Anonymous No.18208365]

>>18187527
>I get to be a literal doormat for the doormats of the übermensch
oh my "god" I'm so excited NEETbros!

[Anonymous No.18208562]

>>18208189
I guess my problem is that his whole attitude and "muh noble savage" outlook wouldn't be possible without the progress he rails against. It's easy to talk about self reliance and simple living when you live down the street from a town of thousands of people and anything you need while under a government that offers you some protections from violent attacks by stronger, more powerful enemies.

[Anonymous No.18208686]

>>18208175
How exactly do you plan to do politics by doing nothing with anyone (aka NEET "action")? You won't. Instead of a household slave you will just be household animal, a bloated bald ugly not-cat. You are not a subject of politics because you are enserfed, and you are enserfed because you don't work nor study nor prepare for your release/escape/integration.
Neither will I waste time reading 12+ books of a certain author just because a nameless nobody said so. Why should I even care.

>>18208206
a)You can't be sure, because you never lived there.
b)I am currently writing from a Third World Hellhole, there is no way you ever had it worse than me or your colonizer country ever had the same amount of humiliation or tyranny imposed on its people.
Man the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.18208733]

>>18208686
>a)You can't be sure, because you never lived there.
You just have to look a few generations in the past. What is today's high school curriculum made you a learned man in the past. Knowing how to fucking read was an asset. There were a fraction of the people to compete with. I cannot imagine a person born of a decent family not having the means to make a living off of their culture.
>I am currently writing from a Third World Hellhole, there is no way you ever had it worse than me or your colonizer country
It's not relevant and I don't care. I am talking about the West.

[Anonymous No.18208895]

>>18208005
>spooks: the post

[Anonymous No.18208959]

"Unbecoming to a gentleman, too, and vulgar are the means of livelihood of all hired workmen whom we pay for mere manual labour, not for artistic skill; for in their case the very wage they receive is a pledge of their slavery."
--Marcus Tullius Cicero

[Anonymous No.18208992]

>>18187498
>>18190790
>>18192756

[Anonymous No.18209018]

>>18187352
Marx.

[Anonymous No.18209053]

>>18208686
>third world hellhole
I envy you and your dose of perspective. Growing up here in the oh so sheltered state of Texas has caused an arrogance to sprout inside me. I've ascertained that I wish not to help nor contribute to any of your precious political systems that are incredulously prone to naive, wishful thinking that ultimately is corrupt. What good is a society when it's entire structure is rotten to the core, maintaining itself through self-righteous compensators such as yourself that perpetuate the same reddit tier examples as to why your life has been so much more difficult than anyone else's. Be grateful for what you've experienced, and never tell anyone to man up ever again.

[Anonymous No.18209945]

>>18187352
I know my parents will buy me whatever the fuck i want as long as i ask to fuel my neetdom
But rarely do i take advantage of this

[Anonymous No.18209959]

Dependence is what is disgusting about NEETdom. What type of rotten philosophy would one have to subscribe to that enables it?

[Anonymous No.18210007]

>>18209959
Wagecucks are dependent on their employer
NEETs are dependent on the taxpayer
Not much difference, one just has to slave away while the other gets to take it easy

[Anonymous No.18210008]

>>18189491
Yea, if hes a useless piece of shit and not doing anything, why not make him get a job and develope a work ethic

[Anonymous No.18210014]

>>18210008
>useless
>work ethic
Wagie copes are funny

[Anonymous No.18210019]

>>18210007
>NEETs are dependent on the taxpayer
NEETs are typically dependent on family. It's rare for them to have enough from whatever social program money to afford their lifestyle

[Anonymous No.18210032]

>>18210019
True, the elite NEETs are on autism/neetbux or have inheritance money. I'm glad I managed to game the system well enough to obtain the former.

[Anonymous No.18210037]

>>18210019
that's true, but the point is that we are all living precariously. plenty of wagies live paycheck to paycheck - infact the majority of them live this way. if they lose their job, they're in a scramble to find another.

[Anonymous No.18210071]

>>18210037
>we are all living precariously
bullshit. I'm in the same camp of antisocial to the point where I've made it one of my main life efforts to not be dependent on society or people. I'm close to getting enough to buy land in the middle of nowhere and continuing to work to minimize any dependencies left. If you're living precariously, time to get a brain and not be dependent on the systems that enslave you.

[Anonymous No.18210097]

>>18207881
Same here. I depend on my parents.

[Anonymous No.18210174]

>>18210019
>>18210032
What am I then if I work for a year and then go hiki for 4?
inb4 retired boomer

[Anonymous No.18210192]

>>18210174
sounds like you're someone enjoying life
there are contract jobs that are pretty strenuous but pay extremely well. You can do that type of work and then just live off the money. Continue that on/off. At least you are free to be to yourself

[Anonymous No.18210718]

>>18209053
Your post reeks of low test. No matter, some eses will build their own Aztlan on the ashes of NEETdom, I guess some things just pass in cycles.

[Anonymous No.18210955]

>>18210008
You don't need to be a slave to have work ethic.

[Anonymous No.18211332]

>working for a living when you can make easy bank trading internet meme money

[Anonymous No.18211393]

Marx is pretty anti work, if that's what you mean by NEETdom. Anti Wage cuck, pro autonomy, make the workplace better, and enjoy the fruits of your labor.
From each according to his ability to each according to his needs.

[Anonymous No.18211428]

>>18208992
how many on /li/ are /pol/ immigrants?

[Anonymous No.18211466]

>>18187485
Yeah lemme just squeeze my kids for money, children are investments after all, gotta get that return :)))))

[Anonymous No.18211474]

>>18210718
>anything that doesn't call my gutter-race based is low test
Post wrist, chicanitx

[Anonymous No.18211523]

>>18210174
How do you manage to get a job after four years with a massive gap in your CV other than lying and hoping they either don't notice or don't care?

[Anonymous No.18211574]

>>18208686
unless you live in subsaharan africa, burma, or central asia, no, you are not third world. fucking sick of eastern europoors and favela/cartel monkeys LARPing as thirdies

[Anonymous No.18211667]

>>18207646
Any time I talk to a normal 'hard working' individual about any topic they have no idea what they're talking about.
They can't even be bothered to think or do any reading or research. They just go along with the program and blindly and mindlessly go along with whatever, no matter how retarded, and they call you the lazy one.
>just be normal!
is what it boils down to. They want you to suffer as they have suffered because muh normalcy.
Fucking crabs in a bucket.

[Anonymous No.18211740]

>>18211574
>favela/cartel monkeys LARPing as thirdies
Uhh, they are. And there is a huge gap between east euro shitholes and latin america shitholes.

[Anonymous No.18212567]

>>18188378
>buying more and more of the tools and instruments for something
>never using them

[Anonymous No.18212575]

If you were to become a NEET how would you schedule your day so that you could read and learn things/skills?

[Anonymous No.18212578]

>>18187352
Karl Marx

[Anonymous No.18212813]

>>18208005
>A being outside of society is either an animal or a god.
There is a third way.

[Anonymous No.18213185]

>>18211523
Just claim studying or something.
I'm an Eastern Euro working forklift type jobs, so they barely care what I do besides that.

[Anonymous No.18213519]

>>18211667
The most "hard working" people I know have shit time management. Sometimes I tell them "why don't you use this simple software to do this thing on the computer? You're wasting so much time doing this manually when it could be automated" and they're already rolling their eyes, they go "no no no I can't learn I don't have time to learn I'll just keep wasting hours and hours of my time doing something inefficient every fucking day". Same with advancing their careers by learning new skills, sometimes even caring about their own health. I know people who are letting physical problems get worse and worse until they can barely walk because they "don't have time to go to the doctor" lol

[Anonymous No.18213547]

>>18187352
ENTROPY IS HUNGRY

[Anonymous No.18213570]

>>18213519
Hard working people only touch computers when they are cleaning them.

[Anonymous No.18213601]

>>18213570
are you really this retarded or just pretending? people still send enormous volumes of emails in office environments

[Anonymous No.18213736]

>>18213601
Sure but none of the office work qualifies as "hard work" by any means nor would anyone call office workers "hard working". One reason people want these jobs is because they are the opposite of that.

[Anonymous No.18213759]

>>18213736
please go tell people who spend 15 hours a day typing on a computer while having a call on their phone and 2 calls on hold that they're not working hard

[Anonymous No.18213776]

>>18212575

The important part is right at the beginning of the day. An hour or two of reading, some exercise and meditation. Everything comes from that for me although motivating yourself when you're unmedicated and alone all the time is a kind of self motivation that borders on the insanely impossible sometimes.

[Anonymous No.18213791]

>>18212575
>If you were to become a NEET how would you schedule your day
Like this?
>wake up at 9AM
>"I'm just going to check for (you)s and then work on the things that matter"
>(I don't believe in the last few words of that sentence but I say them anyway to shoo the existential dread away)
>it's 2AM, I quit posting and go to sleep

[Anonymous No.18213796]

>>18201273
What ever you need to tell yourself to cope. Truth is most NEETs are only NEETS because they failed at every aspect of life up until that point. Why else would a human be content on being some faggot shut in unless you are an anti social loser who sits wanking over anime girls all day.

[Anonymous No.18213813]

I wonder how many of these useless faggots would quickly start working in McDonalds once their government finds out they are just lazy and faking "anxiety" for NEETBUX simply because they wouldn't have the internet anymore.

NEET life suddenly becomes less attractive once you cant wank 4 times to your favourite anime character. Cope all you want but its called an addiction but you delude yourself into pretending it is entirely by choice and not because you are a massive fuck up.

[Anonymous No.18213814]

>>18201273
I think there is a difference between work like the work of an artisan in the pre-industrial era and work like working for a company today.
The skills you learn in modern "jobs" are completely useless and do not add anything to your person, they're inhuman, in fact they detract from you as a human being. The more hard-working people in modern society are completely hollowed out, they don't have any values or humanity left because the job has taken over them. I was getting training for a job once and it felt like I was undergoing this horrible forced programming that wasn't suited to people, but robots aren't advanced enough to do this yet so they have to mind rape people to get it done. I got up and left mid-lesson and never showed up again.

[Anonymous No.18213821]

>>18213791
Based.
>"I choose to be like this honestly guys, its my choice honestly, you believe me right? Guys? Oh yeah I have no friends outside of the internet."

[Anonymous No.18213827]

>>18213796
>>18213813
>>18213821
seethe

[Anonymous No.18213828]

>>18213821
It was a joke. I don't go to bed that late, more like 1AM

[Anonymous No.18213830]

>>18213814
>No one can enjoy their work in my head cannon
>No one can enjoy being successful in my head cannon
>I live like this by choice (in my head cannon)
>Totally not because you thought you would have a dream job your entire life

[Anonymous No.18213834]

>>18213827
Cope. Useless shit stain of humanity.

[Anonymous No.18213837]

>>18213834
seethe

[Anonymous No.18213843]

>>18213830
I don't give a shit about your opinions, I've been in the context long enough. I'm glad I backed out as soon as I realized I was getting sucked into this nightmare.

[Anonymous No.18213850]

>>18187352
King of the NEETS

[Anonymous No.18213855]

>>18213759
They know it themselves if they are minimally self-aware.

[Anonymous No.18213864]

>>18213796
Given the alternative is having Mr Shekelberg telling me when I should wake up so I have to sell shit for him for 8h+ ... why wouldn't I sit at home wanking over anime girls and write?

[Anonymous No.18213870]

>>18213830
https://news.gallup.com/poll/150383/majority-american-workers-not-engaged-jobs.aspx
Note for 30% of workers being engaged in their job was a historical high and how this doesn't even suggest they love every single day of it. And this is in Burgerstan, when wagecuckery is encouraged to no end. So yeah, it seems like a pretty good guess that most aren't enjoying their work.

[Anonymous No.18213877]

>>18213796
>Truth is most NEETs are only NEETS because they failed at every aspect of life up until that point.
It depends on how you see it. I have technically "failed" to get the kind of work I wanted to work on but the reason why I failed is that I was uncompromising on my integrity as a human being. I didn't fail because I lacked skills or assertiveness, or things like that. I just wasn't OK with the shit that I had to do to be successful. So I don't care if you think I have "failed", this is the kind of mentality that created this unethical, opportunistic shit of a society of wolves. This has created the paradigm where a whore who stuffs plastic dildos in her face has more objective human value than an upstanding individual because she produces capital. You can stick this world view up your asshole.

[Anonymous No.18213925]

>>18213759
Nobody does that, but I dont consider management level or senior developer an office job.

[Anonymous No.18213931]

>you can either be a wagie for mr shekelberg or be a neet
man fucking neets are so braindead its ridiculous

>what is self-employment

[Anonymous No.18213953]

>>18213931
Something not relevant for majority of people who can't get a 500k loan from daddy.

[Anonymous No.18213970]

>>18187464
call him based then kick him out

[Anonymous No.18214009]

>>18213931
>just start your own business bro!
what do you do, furry porn?

[Anonymous No.18214011]

>>18187352
Scott Bakker

[Anonymous No.18214079]

>>18210718
muh aztlan is a chicano meme, no real self-respecting Mexican cares about that larping shit

[Anonymous No.18214089]

>>18211574
what are they then? "Developing countries"? That is just an euphemism for third world, which is in turn an euphemism for shithole.

[Anonymous No.18214643]

>>18187464
>if you somehow had a son
I wouldn't be there to tell him anything because I would kill myself lol

[Anonymous No.18215050]

>>18207802
Strongly advice against this. With college, it's go STEM or go home. And even within STEM you have to pick the right fields.

[Anonymous No.18215064]

>>18215050
I mean "advise against".

[Anonymous No.18215068]

>>18215050
We were discussing the NEET phenomena. We are already "home" so we might as well try our hand at soulful fields rather than becoming wagie robots.

[Anonymous No.18215087]

>>18213931
It doesnt matter what you say, they will always find an excuse to do nothing to actualize themselves and continue to waste hours on video games and portray it as cool. I feel people in this thread dreadfully misunderstand what a NEET is or why its a shitty form of existence

[Anonymous No.18215091]

>>18213796
>>18213813
>>18213821
I'm a NEET partly because I'm not a slave, and partly because making normoids like this seethe impotently brings me genuine joy.

[Anonymous No.18215102]

>>18213796
>you are an anti social loser who sits wanking over anime girls all day.

[Anonymous No.18215109]

My favorite was working part time and still living at home even though part time jobs are 99% of the time terrible shit like retail. Made enough for gym membership and took full advantage since my time/sleep schedule wasnt fucked, enough to go out and enjoy some beers with friends, since I wasnt totally socially secluded got to hang with girls and not be an autist about it. Now im a full time wagie with a longterm gf and want to kms most the time

[Anonymous No.18215121]

>>18215091
On that subject, does anyone know some powerful anti-normalfag books? Can't be bothered to make a new thread for this

[Anonymous No.18215130]

>>18215068
>Soulful field
Does not imply that studying it in college will be soulful. For your own good, attend a few BFA lectures. You'll see the difference.

[Anonymous No.18215158]

>>18200354
god I wish that were me

[Anonymous No.18215196]

>>18200354
living the dream

[Anonymous No.18215235]

>>18215130
Whatever that is, that shit is still much better than STEM bugshit.

[Anonymous No.18215415]

Im not a neet and cant be one if I tried, but Im this close to saying fuck it and trying to enter academia even though I know its a terrible idea. Im majoring in accounting and trying real hard to just finish studies so i can be self employed, make my cash and retire early because I cant stand wagie life either because the amount of bullshit in my way. Problem Im having is that I still dont give a shit, and academia will probably leave me in debt and unemployed but at least its what I know. Im lost bros

[Anonymous No.18216399]

>>18215415
I was thinking of getting into accounting.
Do I need to interact with people or can I just fuck off and do numbers all day?

[Anonymous No.18216472]

Why do you guys hate working so much, I don't get it?
I work as a software developer, and I quiet enjoy creating something. Something that wasn't there before, something that can provide value for other people. And since I am able to provide value for others, people are nice to me.

[Anonymous No.18216497]

>>18187352
Don't. Yell. At. Your. Mother.

[Anonymous No.18217323]

>>18216472
because we are not bugmen, we like to create but not necessarily something of value to other people but to ourselves, like art, which has no value for society,

[Anonymous No.18217562]

>>18187358
Probabky the only correct answer in the whole of the Western canon.
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>>18188389
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>>18192712
All these authors did not reject education. At best they're NET

[Anonymous No.18217570]

>>18212578
That's not true at all, 20th century communist fetishised labor. Have you seen those soviet murals?

[Anonymous No.18217633]

>>18216472
Imagine being so cucked you think "providing for other people" to make sure "people are nice to me" is a good think.

[Anonymous No.18217649]

>>18215068
>soulful fields
I'm seeing more soul and humanity in things like the free software movement than all of the "arts" combined. And I say this as someone who doesn't care about computers at all, and wanted to be one of these "artists". Art as it stands today is nothing but entertainment and an emotional pacifier for burned out people. Working on free software that anyone can use feels like a much nobler endeavor. You're giving people tools to do things, saving their time, etc. which is probably the most valuable resource of today, and ethically too. On the other hand consumption of products is contributing to the enslavement of the human race. On the "creator" side of free software there is a community of people who believe in freedom and actually participate to build things together, while the latter is filled with narcissistic con-men and prostitutes. The audience is always awful and entitled because that's what consumers are, but I can't deny that I see more soul in things like free software than art. Honestly I see no soul at all in art. It's performative and ridden with falsity. What are you giving to people, in practice? Will the books save them from the dystopia? I'm not sure.
I say this with a heavy heart because I used to believe in art and I thought that it would be the key to the shackles of humanity, that true art would shine and touch the hearts, and change people to the better. This all turned out to be false. People don't seem to change with art. People follow the path of least attrition and art doesn't change that. Nobody looks at art as material for life, and those who do perish because the inspiring art is inspiring because it's false. Everything grand in art has the purpose of aggrandizing. Art is not about truth, and in a time where truth is under attack I'm starting to see it as a hostile element.
I don't know how to restore my faith in it. I feel cheated.

[Anonymous No.18217654]

>>18192792
Ask him for a bicycle ride

[Anonymous No.18217837]

>>18187352
I want to hug that poor mommy.

[Anonymous No.18218170]

>>18217649
Good post.
While art has stagnated and turned into mindless entertainment (for the most part) these days, there are still pieces that invigorate the soul and tap into that innate human yearning for freedom. Without the poetry of art there is no life. The world becomes bloodless and soulless.
Don't give up, anon. The situation is dire, but the light is not extinguished just yet.
Art is what woke me, and many others, up to the chains that bind.

[Anonymous No.18218205]

>>18188409
When I was in highschool a girl asked me what I wanted to do with my life... I told her I wanted to get on some sort of welfare or disability so I don't have to work. Welcome to the NHK was one of my favorite books (reading filled most of my time back then) and my heroes were Socrates, Perelman, and Laozi.

A decade later and I'm still following my dreams and wagies are still seething.

[Anonymous No.18218320]

>>18213796
>who sits wanking over anime girls all day.
don't knock it until you try it

[Anonymous No.18218349]

You guys should try and get jobs at water/sewage purification plants. It's pretty chill.

[Anonymous No.18218401]

i want to stop living like this but I keep getting in these maddening mental loops of attempting to consciously arrive at the psychological base of my decisions, failing to discern what "lies beneath the surface of the ocean", so to speak, to find this core "first mover", becoming infuriated at having to consciously live on the flotsam and so forth which rises to the surface of this "ocean", and again maddeningly questioning and trying to ascertain my "free agency" in this process, which I of course immediately recognize is a problem of extraordinary complexity well outside the limitations of my intelligence, and upon hitting this wall I pound against it and scream and lash myself to no end and go into a state of spiteful paralysis for days. It's been going on like this for 4 years now. What do I do? Any books for this?

[Anonymous No.18218786]

>>18217649
>Will the books save them from the dystopia?
Potentially by providing ideas to avoid it. Helping to deal with dystopia by providing a sort of moral support and something bigger to hold on is more likely though.
>People don't seem to change with art. People follow the path of least attrition and art doesn't change that.
Not so sure about that. Take hip hop. How many white kids getting into it (hip hop back in the day obviously) helped them to empathize with the black community and look past their horizons? Having black idols could have a huge impact on how they see the world vs the kids who never moved from Billy Bob's music. Look how anime created a massive interest and Japan and their culture, made some people uironically want to learn moonrunes and jerk off to stuff they otherwise never would. Look how military propaganda from Hollywood helped to build up their military as the force of good world-wide.

Obviously the effect will rarely as simple as "see art work > change beliefs" but every work has the potential to adjust the lens how people perceive the world.

Open sores and free software communities are cool in theory but practically it's a den of autists who hate everyone else, who rarely created anything worthwhile before money from the industry flowed it. For stuff that actually works well like Blender there are million of shitty programs with barely usable UI that suck at that they are supposed to do.

[Anonymous No.18218826]

>>18204797
To be completely left unbothered you need to get enough psychiatric diagnosis to qualify for autismbux. Once youre qualified for disability payments they cant force you into work but keep paying.

[Anonymous No.18218896]

>>18218826
What sort of diagnosis can someone without psychological issues even hope for? Would depression or burn out suffice or would it just serve as an excuse for them to push you to get over it with some "let's build bird houses together courses"? Acting suicidal probably has the risk of getting shipped off into the looney bin too.

Only example I know is my sis with migraine who got an offer to get a free from work thingy but she had brain scans done and actually wants to be a wagie.

[Anonymous No.18218916]

>>18218896
just look up video interviews of mega autists and replicate their behavior

[Anonymous No.18218948]

>>18218916
Doubt it's that easy, there are bound to be some finer details I'd miss or overplay some aspect of it, and specially due the length of the interviews, something might slip. I had to deal with a few for skipping school and the shit can take a good while.

Logically they should just give it based on the shit I'm considering to stay off work but I doubt any therapist would appreciate that much honesty.

[Anonymous No.18218966]

>>18218896
If youre browsing here and your disdain for work comes from a deeper place than simple sloth then chances are youre genuinely somewhere on the spectrum or have some sort of "psychological issues". My plan for acquiring neetbux is "b yourself" since I sincerely believe I have a few mental issues, if youre trying to fabricate or ham it up then you need to focus on things that impede social functioning. Autism, Depression, Anxiety.
The looney bin honestly isnt that bad and will probably expedite your acquisition of neetbux. Only reason to avoid it is if it gets put into a permanent record in your country.

[Anonymous No.18219055]

>>18218966
>The looney bin honestly isnt that bad
Been there half a year for skipping school ... and shit was pretty damn bad. And it wasn't even a closed one, so I ran away like once a week. During that time the therapist considered "autistic tendencies" but went against it in the end. Plus, I did finish muh education with external exams, worked for a year and went on to study, which seems to give me too many normie-points. Seems it's more likely they would try to attempt to work with that and focus on treatment instead of just leaving me in peace. The job centre having a positive impression of me, thinking I'll find a job soon (after five fucking years) seems to harm the case too … that's what I get for LARPing as a promising young man.

Wonder if there is a permanent record for the time though, it could help my case after all but overall I seem to be too high functioning to be a hopeless case.

>My plan for acquiring neetbux is "b yourself" since I sincerely believe I have a few mental issues
But do you think you're really having enough for them to leave you alone? Seems someone self-aware like that would be rather promising to attempt treatment unless the shit is THAT bad.

[Anonymous No.18219160]

>>18219055
>and shit was pretty damn bad
Well here in my country the wards are rather comfortable as far as Ive heard, but then again im in one of the richest countries of the EU and havent been in one myself.
If you actually finished a university degree then that does seriously hinder your ability to get a permanent disability since,as you said, thats a decent amount of normie-points and seemingly proves to the eyes of your therapist that you have the ability to be functional. Just having a mental illness isnt enough for a disability or sometimes even a diagnosis, dysfunctionality is a key factor in both.
>But do you think you're really having enough for them to leave you alone?
Theoretically yes, I am the definition of dysfunctional, cant hold down a job and dropped out of college etc. etc. but practically I might also have accumulated too many normie points since I too mastered the promising young man LARP and had an excellent educational track record until the end of highschool.
Im 100% certain Id get it if Id ham it up a bit but my autism forbids me from doing so.

[Anonymous No.18219235]

just join the army niggers, it's basically a giant welfare system anyway

[Anonymous No.18219292]

>>18219160
>Well here in my country the wards are rather comfortable as far as Ive heard,
They are in the "accommodations" sense here too. It's just the staff working there was very hit and miss, besides the general setting of living together with strangers who have impact on your day isn't too pleasant. Sharing a room with a guy who talks to himself and HAS to listen to Harry Potter sound-books to fall asleep didn't help either.

I did drop out of uni but seems holding unto a job for a year could suggest I'm not that dysfunctional, specially given the very positive recommendations letter. Maybe if there is a record of me skipping work almost bi-weekly with sick notes.
>Im 100% certain Id get it if Id ham it up a bit but my autism forbids me from doing so.
Yeah, I can't really see myself hamming it up good either. Plus there is the worry that if I actually get desperate enough to do it, I might overshoot skipping the "can't work" and go all the way to "can't live alone" or some shit like that. The only hope seems to run into a therapists that actually attempts to understand the big picture and doesn't get too distracted by previous normie LARP.
>>18219235
It seems like worst of both worlds. HUGE tax payer costs but you're still basically a wagie and have even fewer freedoms than average wagies.

[Anonymous No.18219336]

>>18219292
>The only hope seems to run into a therapists that actually attempts to understand the big picture and doesn't get too distracted by previous normie LARP.
Yeah thats the most important thing.
I wish you the best of luck in your autismbux endeavours fellow NEETbro.
>>18219235
Being in the army means being stuck with normalfags and not the redditor variant of normalfags but the kind of normalfags that tear autists apart simply for existing. Not a very fun time.

[Anonymous No.18219419]

>>18218205
based

[Anonymous No.18219425]

>>18219336
All the best to you too, mate. It's quite freeing being able to talk about it without the shit dissolving into GET A JAHB.