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[Anonymous No.18193612]

As a Westerner, what books will help me understand Russia and its hostility towards the West?

[Anonymous No.18193630]

There is no hostility towards the West in Russia. Our country was westernized many centuries ago so. You may want to read about Slavophilia movement.

[Anonymous No.18193653]

>>18193630
What about this guy?

[Anonymous No.18193688]

>>18193612
>The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European but an Asiatic and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman or a Japanese and, from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and is an all out son of a bitch, a barbarian, and a chronic drunk.
>I have never seen in any army at any time, including the German Imperial Army of 1912, as severe discipline as exists in the Russian army. The officers with few exceptions give the appearance of recently civilized Mongolian bandits. The men passed in review with a very good imitation of the goose step. They give me the impression of something that is to be feared in future world political reorganization.

[Anonymous No.18193703]

>>18193653
He's just a single man with his own ideas. He or anyone else for that matter cannot represent an entire nation.

[Anonymous No.18193735]

>>18193612
Probably something like The Grand Chessboard by Zbigniew Brzezinski or barring that maybe some other gay Western shit like Robin DiAngelo, John Locke etc.

[Anonymous No.18193742]

>>18193612
All the Kremlin's Men. Also, watch Brat 1 and 2.

>>18193653
He's a traditionalist. He probably has more respect for the West than an average westerner.

[Anonymous No.18193753]

>>18193688
He was just as much a product of nationalist brainwashing as the Russians were

[Anonymous No.18193768]

>>18193612
The Kennan telegrame.

[Anonymous No.18193771]

>>18193742
>He's a traditionalist.
Wrong. His thought includes traditionalist elements but is not wholly traditionalist.
>He probably has more respect for the West than an average westerner.
Also wrong. Dugin's particular worldview reduces all of Western history and politics to its liberal-capitalist elements, so he hates it pretty intensely. He's not popular in Russia, though, which is good. Eurasianism is both self-defeating and a dead end.
>>18193753
Russians at the time were not a product of nationalist brainwashing at all. Perhaps you meant communist or internationalist brainwashing instead.

[Anonymous No.18193773]

>>18193612
There's nothing to understand. It's pure xeonophobia combined with loser's resentment regarding losing repeatedly to the West for the past 2 centuries. Look at Trump and magapeds, and then multiply their inferiority complex and anger by 10 because they were born in a fallen former superpower
t. Ukrainian

[Anonymous No.18193784]

>>18193688
Patton's seething fills me with deep respect for the Russian people.

[Anonymous No.18193789]

>>18193742
>>18193784
>t.

[Anonymous No.18193805]

>>18193753
Communist brainwashing you mean. There's a world of difference between communist and nationalist brainwashing. Not that you'd know anything about it since, you're a dumb westerner. If you'd knew anything about what those savages did from Germany to Eastern Europe, you'd probably still simp for them. Because you're a souless anti-human trash.

[Anonymous No.18193811]

>>18193773
>t. Ukrainian
Probably shouldn't throw stones in a glass house desu.
>>18193805
This reply is a rollercoaster.

[Anonymous No.18193825]

>>18193811
>Probably shouldn't throw stones in a glass house desu.
Maybe you should stop being a double digit IQ individual, show me the last time a prominent Ukrainian politician claimed superiority of Ukraine over the West. (Protip: you can't). Ukrainians don't experience the same resentment Russians do about living in a shithole, in fact despite the Russian propaganda there's less than 10 far right mps in the Ukrainian parliament. Russia on the contrary has entire LDPR party with its 10% of the seats in the parliament, the party could be classified as fascist, with its leader, Zhirinovsky, openly proposing to nuke Washington and Kyiv.

[Anonymous No.18193837]

>>18193612
The slave soul of Russia.

[Anonymous No.18193851]

>>18193825
>show me the last time a prominent Ukrainian politician claimed superiority of Ukraine over the West. (Protip: you can't)
Of course that wouldn't happen because you guys are too busy feeling superior to and antagonising your very important Russian neighbours. What is worse, you are both in the same both and will suffer or prosper together, regardless of what either of your leaders think. Russians may have an inferiority complex towards the West, but you guys have an inferiority complex towards Russians.
>Ukrainians don't experience the same resentment Russians do about living in a shithole, in fact despite the Russian propaganda there's less than 10 far right mps in the Ukrainian parliament. Russia on the contrary has entire LDPR party with its 10% of the seats in the parliament, the party could be classified as fascist, with its leader, Zhirinovsky, openly proposing to nuke Washington and Kyiv.
Ah. You are that kind of Ukrainian.

[Anonymous No.18193853]

>>18193825
>Russia on the contrary has entire LDPR party with its 10% of the seats in the parliament, the party could be classified as fascist, with its leader, Zhirinovsky, openly proposing to nuke Washington and Kyiv.
Lmao, no one takes him seriously, this guy is a joke. The parliament is also a joke and has no real power. You're reading too much news, you dumdum.

[Anonymous No.18193863]

Holy shit a proper slav srach, haven't seen one of these in years. Damn I miss krautchan.
Anyways op Russia isn't hostile to the west, it's really rather the other way around.

[Anonymous No.18193870]

>>18193851
>Of course that wouldn't happen because you guys are too busy feeling superior to and antagonising your very important Russian neighbours.
If you weren't a double digit IQ moron, you would question yourself how come a country antagonizing its Russian neighbours elected a pro-Russian president, with half of the Ukrainians voting for him simply because he was speaking Russian and represented Eastern Ukraine.
>Ah. You are that kind of Ukrainian.
Yeah, I am that kind of Ukrainian that knows more about politics than a retard who believes in Ukraine positioning itself against Russia while simultaneously having majority of people speaking Russian and electing a Russian-speaking, pro-Russian president.
>>18193853
Yes, parliament has no power, how does it disprove the fact that Zhirinovsky represents feelings of at least of the 10% of the population? If the Right Sector had the same amount of deputies, Russians would not stop talking about it on media.

[Anonymous No.18193911]

>>18193688
>therefore thinks deviously
This coming from a burger is pure gold

[Anonymous No.18193936]

>>18193870
>If you weren't a double digit IQ moron, you would question yourself how come a country antagonizing its Russian neighbours elected a pro-Russian president, with half of the Ukrainians voting for him simply because he was speaking Russian and represented Eastern Ukraine.
>then the president was toppled in a coup that tore the country in half
Gee anon. Crazy stuff.
>
Yeah, I am that kind of Ukrainian that knows more about politics than a retard who believes in Ukraine positioning itself against Russia while simultaneously having majority of people speaking Russian and electing a Russian-speaking, pro-Russian president.
Are we pretending the Maidan didn't happen, then?
>>18193911
Good point lol. Totally skipped me, somehow.

[Anonymous No.18193944]

>it's another Russian literature/Russian whatever thread that devolves into Russian Duginists vs Ukrainian Banderites vs Polacks thread

[Anonymous No.18193955]

>>18193936
>tore the country in half
>According to a poll conducted in February 2015 in all regions of Ukraine except Crimea, 66.4% would have voted in favor of joining the EU and 33.6% against with a turnout of 76.4%.
The only thing the Ukrainians were divided about is NATO ascension, which is a debated topic to this day.
>Maidan
Popular will. Yanykovych was notoriously corrupt, not a novelty in Ukrainian politics, and combined with his refusal to support ascension to the EU, the ascension that had support of majority even in Eastern Ukraine, he was ousted. He handled protests badly and the escalation of violence provoked the ire of the Eastern population as well. As the head of the Russian expidition into Ukraine and the head of the Donbas separatists, Girkin, noted himself in an interview, there would be no war if his boys did not intervene in 2014.

[Anonymous No.18194014]

>>18193955
"Popular will" is a meme, I remember the excitement me and my family felt when our country joined the EU. We thought it meant the situation would finally improve and that we were becoming more modern, more Western, richer. In reality, it was just a surrender of sovereignty. The common people do not understand politics, but the leaders of their communities do. Those people never liked the idea of further Westernisation, which is why the conflict in eastern Ukraine took root.
Pro-Western politics without the consent of Russia always posed the threat of war, but Ukrainian politicians decided to risk it anyway and then paid the price because American politicians couldn't give less of a shit about what happens east of Germany. If it gave them a chance to fuck with Russia even a bit, they'd raze all of Ukraine down, yet guys like you still think that there is something to gain from a Western realignment.

[Anonymous No.18194023]

>>18193653
considered schizo-tier by most

[Anonymous No.18194032]

>>18193870
Unlike Ukraine or any other small country, Russia is not a political nation. I know that it might be a hard concept to grasp, but majority of people here don't think about politics at all. This is a major separation between empires (Britain, Russia, China) and small homogenous nations that build their identity on opposition towards the common enemy (Ireland, Ukraine, Balkan countries). US used to be like that too until it started demographically shifting towards the third world.
>how does it disprove the fact that Zhirinovsky represents feelings of at least of the 10% of the population
Nobody votes on those elections based on careful political analysis of the candidates. In fact, 90% of population wouldn't vote on them at all if Putin didn't literally force people into the voting centers. Once you are there, you have a choice between Putin, Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky and some literal who. Unless you're a communist or fan of Putin, Zhirik is literally your only choise since his name is the only one on the ticket you'd recognize.

[Anonymous No.18194063]

Russians aren’t hostile to the West per se, but they are more hostile to Western degeneracy than most Westerners. Interactions between governments are another story.
And why shouldn’t they be hostile to the countries that are constantly trying to screw them?

[Anonymous No.18194071]

>>18193870
>Yes, parliament has no power, how does it disprove the fact that Zhirinovsky represents feelings of at least of the 10% of the population?
Do you really believe that the distribution of parliament seats somehow proportionally represents the feelings of the population? Boy, are you detached from reality.

[Anonymous No.18194076]

>>18193653
He had some great appearances on Alex Jones.

[Anonymous No.18194092]

>>18194014
> We thought it meant the situation would finally improve and that we were becoming more modern, more Western, richer
If you look at the economies of the Eastern Euro members of the EU, you would very quickly notice the improvement they experienced since ascension. Bulgaria was twice as poor as Russia in 1990, Bulgaria remains the POOREST member of the EU and yet it became on par with Russia in 2021. You are just a spoiled kid for whom "feels > reals". Statistical evidence points out that quality of living in Eastern Europe has been constantly improving since 1991 and since whatever year your ungrateful country joined the EU. The Poles and the Hungarians in particular like to whine about the bad EU but the Poles and the Hungarians like the spoiled children they are are reluctant to leave the EU, most of The Eastern European members of the EU achieved higher economic growth than Russia while having lesser inequality than Russia at the same time.
> We thought it meant the situation would finally improve and that we were becoming more modern, more Western, richer
Your lack of knowledges of American foreign policy on Russia shows its true colours here. Obama's prime policy on Russia was literally called "Reset", because Obama was Trump before Trump, a dove willing to provide concessions to Russia after the Russo-Georgian war (yes, foreigners like to forget this part and how McCain was a hawk while Obama tried to pretend that this war did not happen). In fact, Obama REFUSED to sell any arms to Ukraine after 2014, on pretense that it will escalate relationship with Russians and provoke them to send more weapons to the separatists.
>>18194071
Yes, the major advantage of multi-party democracies over the US system is that minorities and radicals are actually represented in the parliament.

[Anonymous No.18194137]

>>18194092
>Yes, the major advantage of multi-party democracies over the US system is that minorities and radicals are actually represented in the parliament.
Well, maybe it is so in theory. But in reality, as anon above has said, Russians in general don't give a rat's ass about politics. LDPR is not a radical party, it has no clear programme or will to seize power, it simply exists to fill seats in parliament akin to all other parties. If radical political movements were actually represented in our parliament we would see actual communists, libertarians and extreme right-wing nationalists taking seats. But this doesn't happen. These parties are either banned (like nazbols) or just unpopular.
Once again, stop reading news, you brainwashed salo-eater.

[Anonymous No.18194204]

>>18194092
It is funny you give Bulgaria as an example because ironically that's exactly where I am from and things appear to be worse than ever. Politicians keep telling us how much better off we are, how the GDP has increased, how we've synchronised our legal codes with the EU, how the EU is praising our administration, blah blah blah, a whole bunch of claptrap. Everyone my family has ever known has been poor since the fall of communism. The poor people are still poor. What has changed is that small groups of people living in the capital have gotten outsourced western jobs and these people make x10 times as much money as their compatriots. These same people also happen to be the most liberal and the most pro-Western. With each passing day, I feel them drift away from the rest of our people and develop the same hostility for our people that I see Western liberals regularly express for their poorer conservative compatriots. It was all a sham. At least before we joined the EU, we were all poor and felt solidarity with each other. Now even that solidarity is disappearing. By and large, the people are still poor and incapable of paying their bills, but a select few live in excess and luxury and they hate the rest of us. Westernisation is just smoke and mirrors. The myth of the EU is just that, a myth.
>Statistical evidence points out that quality of living in Eastern Europe has been constantly improving since 1991 and since whatever year your ungrateful country joined the EU.
Ah yes, "statistical evidence", the cope of a truly desperate people. Things might look extremely bad, but our math guys crunched some numbers and they say you are richer and happier than ever! Rejoice!
>Your lack of knowledges of American foreign policy on Russia shows its true colours here. Obama's prime policy on Russia was literally called "Reset", because Obama was Trump before Trump, a dove willing to provide concessions to Russia after the Russo-Georgian war (yes, foreigners like to forget this part and how McCain was a hawk while Obama tried to pretend that this war did not happen). In fact, Obama REFUSED to sell any arms to Ukraine after 2014, on pretense that it will escalate relationship with Russians and provoke them to send more weapons to the separatists.
No, it is you who doesn't understand. The Americans don't want things to escalate with Russia. They want to have a nice excuse to continue choking the Russian economy with sanctions indefinitely and they don't mind if Ukraine is permanently devastated and partitioned if it helps them achieve that.

[Anonymous No.18194227]

>>18193612
history.

everytime Russia has tried to reach out with an olive branch to the west, they took advantage.

At this point Russia is just a bitter scorned country in decline

[Anonymous No.18194249]

>>18194204
>the cope of a truly desperate people
The cope of a truly desperate people is feelings. You could say that Allah himself came down from the sky and told you that Bulgaris is poor, this will have as much legitimacy as whatever you say. Anecdotal evidence is not an argument. Majority of people saw improved quality of living and your unsatisfaction comes from the fact that some people grew much richer than the poor, it still doesn't cancel the fact that the poor now can afford more goods than they ever could before as evidenced by growing wages and by growing real purchasing power of the people. You can afford more bread, more fruits (did you know that fruits were considered a luxury in communist countries) than your ancestors but you want now a phone, a car, a decent apartment (your ancestors never had that either). You see the world growing richer, so your appetite is growing too. Laptop, various electronics, cars, better appartments, better healthcare, cheaper food and greater varitey of it, all this comes with the privilege of living in the 21st century but none of you appreciate it. Pineapples, good sausage and bananas were in shortage in the USSR, I don't know about Bulgaria but I assume the same with all socialist countries because shortages are produced by planned economy and autarky.

[Anonymous No.18194327]

>>18194249
>The cope of a truly desperate people is feelings. You could say that Allah himself came down from the sky and told you that Bulgaris is poor, this will have as much legitimacy as whatever you say. Anecdotal evidence is not an argument. Majority of people saw improved quality of living and your unsatisfaction comes from the fact that some people grew much richer than the poor, it still doesn't cancel the fact that the poor now can afford more goods than they ever could before as evidenced by growing wages and by growing real purchasing power of the people.
Fitting to hear this from a guy whose country has officially become Africa-tier in the past few years. You are so mind screwed by modern culture that you think some fat bureaucrat abusing numbers to tell you how he's actually doing a great job and you should be grateful to him translates to actual prosperity and national health.
>You can afford more bread, more fruits (did you know that fruits were considered a luxury in communist countries) than your ancestors but you want now a phone, a car, a decent apartment (your ancestors never had that either).
Are you an actual Ukrainian or some dishonest diaspora retard? Sounds like you take your knowledge about the socialist bloc from fucking PragerU.

[Anonymous No.18194357]

>>18194327
Yes, everyone but you is lying, it can't be the truth. If the numbers are stacked against you, it means they made them up.
You are a retard here, my 50yo stepfather saw bananas only in cartoons, the same with other tropical fruits which you could acquire only in the capital or coastal trading hubs like Riga or Odessa. Still, even though his experience proves my words, it bears no relevance to this subject. Statistics > feefees, sorry, kid.

[Anonymous No.18194369]

>>18193688
Haha Americans worshio retards like this.
The only aggression from Russians is not having nuked Muttland. Could have saved 100 countries for the price of 1.

[Anonymous No.18194440]

>>18194357
>Yes, everyone but you is lying, it can't be the truth. If the numbers are stacked against you, it means they made them up.
>imagine having such blind and overwhelming trust in authority that you ignore literally everything you see with your own two eyes in favour of "statistics"
There's a good Max Weber quote relevant here, I think.
>You are a retard here, my 50yo stepfather saw bananas only in cartoons
Ahhh, I see... You are not the Ukrainian anon then, are you, anon? You are some diaspora retard after all? Well, here's my experience anon. My family were rural farm workers. They filled truckloads of fruit produce every year and tended to the land well. You can't buy shit like this anymore because after the fall of socialism the entire field of agriculture imploded. Now we import tiny, shrivelled up GMO garbage from Western countries to fill our fruit deficits. The village where my family hails from is now basically depopulated and the land goes to waste. The quality of the services, quality of life, the national industry - all of those things have undergone a cataclysmic collapse that has somehow become the new normal. The only people who make money today are IT kids who do outsourced work for Western firms. Everything else has been completely devastated.

[Anonymous No.18194539]

>>18194440
I am Ukrainian born in Ukraine but your delusional mind can't accept it.
>Poor villages getting destroyed
The USSR IMPORTED between in the 80s more grain than Japan, China and Italy combined did during the same period. A country of 280 million people was importing more grain than a billion of people did. A country a quarter of whose population was living in villages and had access to one of the best soils of Europe couldn't provide itself with grain. Ukraine, Russia and Kazakhstan, three main producer of grain are part of the top-10 grain exports in the world despite the fact that the amount of rural retards ploughing the field decreased. From THE world's largest importer to the largest exporter (if the USSR still existed), all while wasting less resources and labour on agriculture. This is what capitalism did, it destroyed unproductive collectivized villages that were destroying the state, and molded them into what the Soviet elites only were dreaming of.

[Anonymous No.18194556]

>>18194204
Shut up thats not true about Bulgaria.

[Anonymous No.18194582]

>>18194539
>I am Ukrainian born in Ukraine but your delusional mind can't accept it.
Clever phrasing, should I take this to mean that you were born in Ukraine and then your parents moved out when you were a baby or a child? Or have you actually lived in Ukraine? I was with you up until you pulled that weird PragerU shit, it just doesn't make sense to me how you could hold such bizarre beliefs about the socialist economy.
>The USSR IMPORTED between in the 80s more grain than Japan, China and Italy combined did during the same period.
When during the 80s? Gorbachev's time? Soviet agriculture was a step down from Tsarist agriculture, yes, but for most of its existence it was still a great enterprise.
>A country of 280 million people was importing more grain than a billion of people did.
You know full well that this doesn't mean anything without accounting for domestic production and consumption.
>This is what capitalism did, it destroyed unproductive collectivized villages that were destroying the state, and molded them into what the Soviet elites only were dreaming of.
IDK about that. I did not live in the Soviet Union, I do not know in what state East Slavic agriculture is. I know that agriculture was utterly destroyed in my country. I also know that Ukraine is daily losing its most precious resource - its chernozem soil - which is being exported in immense quantities because of corruption and poor administration. I extrapolated my current and tentative opinions on Ukrainian agriculture from that factoid.

[Anonymous No.18194599]

>>18194556
It took me a lot of thinking to figure things out and a lot of effort to admit this state of affairs to myself, but it is true. Sorry anon. Ha Бoйкo мaгиcтpaлитe нeмa дa ни cпacят. Oщe 50 гoдини и чao, дъpжaвaтa щe cи зaминe.

[Anonymous No.18194621]

>>18194599
The general lack of infrastructure before Boyko literally meant the huge lack of international TRADE that was happening in the country. I am grateful for having atleast some kind of improvement in architecture. In 50 years, I am quite sure that Bulgaria would exist, although quite different. Unfortunately demographics are not looking too good but not much to be done about it unless you and I and everyone else starts making children. Future is bleak for everyone, but atleast it would be funny.

[Anonymous No.18194629]

>>18194621
Infrastructure* Im retarded, my brain doesnt work anymore after working on uni assignments for hours.

[Anonymous No.18194730]

>>18194582
>bizarre beliefs about the socialist economy.
Economics 101 for you is bizzare beliefs about socialist economy. 99% of economists will say the same if not harsher words. Socialist economy doesn't make sense in theory and it did not make sense in real life, it's true that communists wouldn't be communists if only they knew how economy works.
>Soviet agriculture was a step down from Tsarist agriculture
Soviet agriculture was not a step down from Tsarist agriculture, the entire Russian empire was focused on producing grain and was consuming little of it, the Tsarist agriculture is the definition of bad. Dozens of millions of people living in poverty and exporting low-value goods. The Russian empire exported 70 million of tonns of grain per annum in 1911-1913 (according to a Soviet 1930 book on history of Soviet agriculture). For comparison, the USSR was producing 161 millions of tonns of grain per annum in 1981-1985 (according to FAOSTAT 2005). By that point the population of the USSR was around 80 million people larger than the population of the empire in 1913 but in the empire around 80% of people were living in villages.

[Anonymous No.18194735]

>>18194621
I do not know if "funny" is the word I would use. We are fucked like everyone else in Europe. I will be happy if things eventually improve, but the currently has been in continual decline since the 90s. To make sure that the work of the 1870s wasn't for nothing, we can only hope for a miracle.

[Anonymous No.18194744]

>>18194730
Not exported, I meant PRODUCED. And yes I am ethnic Ukrainian living in Ukraine.

[Anonymous No.18194749]

>>18194730
>Economics 101 for you is bizzare beliefs about socialist economy. 99% of economists will say the same if not harsher words. Socialist economy doesn't make sense in theory and it did not make sense in real life, it's true that communists wouldn't be communists if only they knew how economy works.
This would be a slightly more convincing argument if you didn't come across as a neoliberal westerniser. The neoliberal economy doesn't work either, except in a state of perpetual meltdown.
>Soviet agriculture was not a step down from Tsarist agriculture, the entire Russian empire was focused on producing grain and was consuming little of it, the Tsarist agriculture is the definition of bad.
The Tsarist-era agriculture was more efficient than the Soviet-era agriculture. I was not making any broader claims about quality of life or the general state of the economy.

[Anonymous No.18194750]

>>18194735
Well, I have some controversial beliefs about the 1870s, but then the timing was right either. Elaborate on what exactly was the work then? If it is the survival of Bulgarian state and identity, which is quite a low bar, I'm positive that we would succeed.
I think since around 2010 we've been on the rise. Cheer up!

[Anonymous No.18194824]

>>18194749
It can't be more efficient when 80% (rurals employed in agriculture) of people living in a country the size of 180 million people produced two times less grain than a country with 280 million and 20% of people employed in agriculture. But producing more is not enough, you too consume daily more valuable things than your ancestors but you don't pay attention to it. The USSR could have showed much better results with the technology it had access to (but it didn't). Even Khrushchev, a man from the fucking 60s, was complaining about the same thins I am writing about right now. I read his memoirs in Russian. He was complaining about shortages and innefficiency of Soviet agriculture before it became cool in the West.

[Anonymous No.18194830]

>>18194750
>Well, I have some controversial beliefs about the 1870s, but then the timing was right either.
Are you a pomak?
>Elaborate on what exactly was the work then? If it is the survival of Bulgarian state and identity, which is quite a low bar, I'm positive that we would succeed.
I am really not. Especially with the current structure of our economy and politics, we will be caught up in the mess that's brewing to the west.
>I think since around 2010 we've been on the rise. Cheer up!
Thanks anon. I don't want to depress you or anything. From my perspective though, things look really bad in all sorts of ways. Culturally, demographically and socio-politically, everything seems to be collapsing.

[Anonymous No.18194848]

>>18193612
Check out "Understanding Contemporary Russia" by Bressler. It's written by a collection of scholars who give a quick, but comprehensive run down on Russian history and then go real in-depth on the economics and politics of the past 30 years.

[Anonymous No.18194849]

>>18194824
Not sure what you are splitting hairs over. Russian agriculture was a lot more prominent domestically and abroad during the prewar period. After the Bolshevik revolution, it did not perform as well as everyone expected it to in terms of raw numbers. That's all I am saying.

[Anonymous No.18194866]

>>18194830
I am not pomak, but I think I could pass as one ahaha.
We can blame the West or the East, the European union, the communism, retarded patriots will blame even turkish "slavery". We can go back to blaming Adam and Eve for commiting the original sin. No need for that. Action is now and here. I really wish we could take more positive things from the west.
Culturally, dmeographically and socio-politically it is going bad. I mean, look at the shithousery at the elections and the campaign. Literally every party is populist. But tell you what - if the economic, material base gets better, so would the rest - kinda base and superstructure like Marx. Of course, his notion was not quite right, because social relations are not cause and effect chains but really complex and intertwined webs. Yet, I remain positive. Upgrading the material base and reforming the education system and we would be proper Europeans in a generation or two. Shame there is not only lack of political, but also general will.

[Anonymous No.18194885]

>>18193688
>dude asians are bugmen lmao
>dude asians aren't human and they think so differently from us humans that we whites cannot understand them
>dude russians, japanese, chinese are NPCs lmao (get it cause they think like robots not like humans and we can't understand them)
No wonder this guy got unalived

[Anonymous No.18195022]

>>18194866
>I am not pomak, but I think I could pass as one ahaha.
How so? Are you perhaps a Turk?
>we would be proper Europeans in a generation or two
I think you will be severely disappointed. Not only are the Bulgarians of today incapable of becoming anything, but there is nothing to become, either. Westerners are hardly better off. They just do better PR. I wish you all the best, anyway. I will try to improve things in my own way. Who knows, maybe some good will come of it, maybe not. You do the same.

[Anonymous No.18195046]

>>18195022
Thank you brother. Thats the spirit. Also, no, I am native Bulgarian.

[Anonymous No.18195122]

>>18194866
>Action is now and here
Based

[Anonymous No.18195564]

>>18193612
>Their hostility towards the West

Don't bother, you're too retarded.

[Anonymous No.18195579]

>>18193630
More like poeple the west should look in the fucking mirror, and question their Russophobia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om6HcUUa8DI

[Anonymous No.18195890]

>>18194744
>>18194539
>ethnic Ukrainian

What's that?

https://tarpley.net/metaphysical-doubts-concerning-the-existence-of-modern-ukraine-a-1918-creation-of-the-german-general-staff/

>>18194227
Just look at how close they put their boarder to NATO bases. Russians want war.

>>18193735
>Zbigniew Brzezinski

you shitting me? nobody take's him seriously anymore... he even denounced his own work...

[Anonymous No.18196134]

>>18195890
>you shitting me? nobody take's him seriously anymore... he even denounced his own work...
"Anymore" being the keyword.

[Anonymous No.18197636]

>>18193612
Their history.

[Anonymous No.18198594]

>>18193630
Stop lying.

[Anonymous No.18198787]

>>18193773
>Ukrainian
>inferiority complex
You shouldn't talk. You fight and die to be able to clean the toilets of western Europeans. That's what you aspire to be as a people and that's simply disgusting. Never seen a people fight for the right to be wages slaves to foreigners. You and your "country" disgust me. You deserve what's coming to you.

[Anonymous No.18198829]

>>18193612
Don't you think you should try and understand the West's hostility toward Russia first? Think about how much more NATO has expanded since the 1980s, and that it still exists at all despite the Warsaw Pact no longer existing. Think about how in 2008, NATO wanted Ukraine to be a member, a country right next to Russia. Would the US be comfortable if Russia did joint drills with Mexico near the border? And how the George W. Bush administration vowed to continue developing its missile defense system even though Putin was against it. And how since then, Russia has retaliated by creating ICBMs capable of ultra low altitude, maneuverable flight capable of avoiding detection by satellites or missile defense systems.

Russia isn't completely innocent, but the West seems content to exacerbate tensions at various points since the end of the Cold War.

[Anonymous No.18198843]

>>18193612
Russia will end up allying with the West when China sets its eyes on annexing the Far East

[Anonymous No.18198860]

>>18197636
This