/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18253409]

Best books to recover from the blackpill and become motivated again in spite of the odds?

[Anonymous No.18253414]

>>18253409

[Anonymous No.18253418]

>>18253409
Mein Kampf. Dude had all the odds stacked against him but still did some pretty neat things.

[Anonymous No.18253426]

Nietzsche thus spoke Zarathustra

[Anonymous No.18253431]

>>18253418
This is a good recommendation, I prefer the Ford translation and it is a fun and motivating read especially the beginning.

[Anonymous No.18253432]

>>18253409
Thus Spoke Zarathustra

>>18253414
trash
>>18253418
kys

[Anonymous No.18253433]

>>18253418
Hell yeah.

Hunter/The Turner Diaries: One man can make a big difference

Bronze Age Mindset: Retvrn to Tradition

The White Nationalist Manifesto: Ethnonationalism is the solution to many of modernity's problems

[Anonymous No.18253437]

>>18253431
Does there exist a translation without annoying prefaces and annotations that tell you how you shouldn't agree with anything in the book?

[Anonymous No.18253474]

>>18253437
Yes that's the Ford edition for the most part, only the introduction to the text is filled with an advertisement for the audio CD and a couple pages telling the reader to "decide on his own who Hitler really was/what his motives were". And it has cool pictures.

[Anonymous No.18253509]

>>18253474
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.18253543]

>>18253409

[Anonymous No.18253552]

>>18253437
The Manheim translation is more than decent
>>18253432
Retard

[Anonymous No.18253560]

>>18253426
>>18253432
this unironically but ecce homo is easier to wrap your head around
t. read zarathustra twice and got filtered hard both times

[Anonymous No.18253576]

>>18253560
Retard question but can you get anything out of Nietzsche if you're not an atheist or does his philosophy hinge upon the assumption that eternal return is a metaphysical truth?

[Anonymous No.18253579]

>>18253409
Damn, that pic got me feeling hopeful. Thanks OP :)

[Anonymous No.18253588]

>>18253552
brainlet 'muh white skin'

[Anonymous No.18253594]

>>18253543
I would say this is the best branch of Christfaggotry there is, if that's the past one takes.

[Anonymous No.18253665]

>>18253426
>>18253432
I had a Nietzsche phase from 19-21. I read almost all his published work and Kaufman's biography and guide, and took a course on him later. Thus Spoke helped after I broke up with my girlfriend, but it was a high energy of little substance. Nietzsche is incredibly fun to read, and his influence on later secular existentialists alone merits his reading. That said, I cannot say he helped me build a solid foundation for meaning.

>>18253418
>>18253433
No. I tried this too. I was very into /pol/ circa 2011-2015 after having become disenchanted with the Left at OWS.

Political ideologies can't replace philosophy and religion, although they increasingly try to. You end up making a God of your often corrupt and geriatric leaders (see: Trump worship) and making Satanic enemies of your political opponents (see: critical race theory). Everything is reduced to Manichean good versus evil. Complexity is boiled away.

You're trying to give your life meaning through a thought system woefully too shallow. The result is that they rely on outrage porn. There aren't enough real outrages so constant propaganda, editing of video to portray fake events, etc. are needed to keep the anger buzz going.

It leads to shitty thinking. Pollution is unaddressed because it has been framed as a left issue, even though pollution is a naturally conservative issue. One of the best ways to boost domestic manufacturing would be to charge companies for the externalities of dirty production overseas and the fuel burnt to transport goods across the Pacific. Test levels are plunging each decade and sperm counts are down by half. Water supplies are actually the worst in rural areas since farms use massive amounts of endocrine disruptors. Yet conservative voters are duped into caring about trans "rights" instead of the chemicals making their kids into trannies. Lake Mead will hit its lowest levels in history this month. LA and Vegas will almost certainly be under massive water restrictions this century, sending internal fugees everywhere. Farmers in NorCal will be denied any water this year because there is none to give.

>>18253543
This is a better suggestion depending on your religious background

I found "He: Understanding Masculine Psychology," by Robert A. Johnson very helpful. It's an intro to Jungian individuation using the Grail Myth. It combines the instructive power of myth with modern analysis about meaning. His other books are great too.

Philosophy is a great aid too. I'd start with Plato but intros are helpful too. Durant's Story of Philosophy is a great primer, even though it skips a ton. Durant is a top tier writer of prose and thinker himself.

For a more general summary without gaps, there is Kenney's A New History of Western Philosophy. You can read about authors and jump out of it for primary texts. At 1,200 pages, it works best as a reference.

[Anonymous No.18253670]

>>18253588
I'm not white, retard
Why are you faggots always like this?

[Anonymous No.18253683]

>>18253665
(Continued)

The Black Pill is the Fisher King wound. You've graduated from the naivety of Don Quixote to the stage of Hamlet. Most men die there. The path of study to Faust is difficult, but worth it.

Self denial (fasting and intensive physical training) and ascetic practices are important tools too. Use them. Aesthetics too. Aside from local art collections, which might be few and far between, I like to reflect on art books. You can get collections from the Uffizi and all of Florence, all of the Vatican, and all of the Louvre, with high quality prints fairly cheap. Classic literature goes in this box too.

[Anonymous No.18253715]

>>18253665
Senpai just read Camus and accept the absurd.

Once you've been able to do that, start working on improving your life. Exercise, socialise, make money, and fuck hoes.

And if you have some greater goal you'd like to achieve, keep that constantly in the forefront, and work relentlessly towards it. But whatever you do, don't ignore the pleasures of life. It's all a balance.

[Anonymous No.18253724]

>>18253594
Why?

[Anonymous No.18253730]

>>18253724
they're the ones most resistant to secularism along with the evangelicals

[Anonymous No.18253732]

>>18253665
Why do you say Nietzsche is of little substance and not good to build a foundation for meaning? Isn't that precisely what his work is about?
>He: Understanding Masculine Psychology
Sounds very interesting, does it offer concrete ways to go through the process of jungian individuation by yourself or do you need an analyst for that?

[Anonymous No.18253755]

>>18253715
That's extremely bluepilled mate. It's the equivalent of saying that life is meaningless and you need to just shutdown your brain and never think about it.

[Anonymous No.18253811]

>>18253755
Pretty much m8.

Life is meaningless. What are you gonna do about it?
Either you accept that and kill yourself, accept it and continue on living, or deny it and create your own nonsensical and irrational meaning.

I choose to accept the truth, but still enjoy the experiences that living has to offer. Grinding for days, weeks, and months for a goal gives purpose to a meaningless existence, and the small joys and pleasures of living makes waking up tomorrow worth it. I'm living to experience what life has to offer, and I keep myself focused and motivated through my own contrived goal.

[Anonymous No.18253829]

>>18253811
>Either you accept that and kill yourself, accept it and continue on living, or deny it and create your own nonsensical and irrational meaning.
For me? it's the first one.

[Anonymous No.18253832]

>>18253409
Metaphysics of War

[Anonymous No.18253899]

>>18253829
>For me? it's the first one.
You'd be long dead by now then, but you're evidently not.

That's your human nature at work. You realise the absurdity of it all, but you still continue on living, why? Because you're human. You're hopeful for better days, and desire promised pleasures.

So you can either revolt against your human nature and kill yourself, or embrace and appease it, and exist within the confines of your human condition. Philosophy is separate from psychology, and happiness and fulfilment is not dependant upon reason and meaning. That is simply the truth of life, and the sooner you realise that, the sooner you can embrace and start enjoying life for the anomalous and nonsensical thing it is.

[Anonymous No.18253911]

>>18253832
This, great and inspiring read

[Anonymous No.18253923]

>>18253715
>>18253811
>>18253899

[Anonymous No.18253948]

>>18253715
>>18253811
>>18253899
Please ignore this anon his advice is terrible and based on worship of fleeting temporal pleasures that give no happiness.

[Anonymous No.18253949]

>>18253923
Refute it faggot

[Anonymous No.18253956]

>>18253949

[Anonymous No.18253961]

>>18253811
>>18253829
>Life is meaningless
How did you arrive at that conclusion? Don't you think that believing in this is a lazy answer to why we are here? Why are we the only beings that question their existence and crave meaning? We could just live like animals never give a damn about anything.
I believe that we are here on a mission and that Being born human is an extremely rare opportunity to advance in the chain of being and achieve a higher existence.

[Anonymous No.18254003]

>>18253961
>opportunity to advance in the chain of being and achieve a higher existence.
How do we do it?

[Anonymous No.18254007]

>>18253949
Why didn't the ancients ever have a philosopher develop a thought like this? This state of mind is unnatural and I think the main reason the ideas of Camus were propagated is to keep slaves working without questioning anything to benefit shekelberg and his "economy".

[Anonymous No.18254009]

>>18254003
Read religious scripture and books about spirituality

[Anonymous No.18254011]

>>18253418
>Dude had all the odds stacked against him but still did some pretty neat things
Why does this make me giggle

[Anonymous No.18254012]

>>18253956
>[...]He offers hope for those who wish to reembrace Traditionalism.
Discarded. Go burn witches and contract measles by yourself faggot.

>>18253948
It is not worship of pleasure, that is hedonism. I simply embrace the absurdity of life, and exist within that truth. I have great goals I wish to achieve, and I work day and night towards them, but I also acknowledge that there is pleasure to life, and I seek and indulge in them from time to time. The goal is balanced living, and extraordinary experience and knowledge. One chance to make it count.

[Anonymous No.18254030]

>>18254012
dilate tranny

[Anonymous No.18254036]

>>18253576
especially ecce homo enforces that nietzsche is the sickest cunt ever and if you somehow manage to copy that mindset / fake it til you make it, you're golden regardless of your own faith

[Anonymous No.18254037]

>>18253409
Phantastes by George MacDonald

[Anonymous No.18254047]

>>18254003
By gaining knowledge of the self and the divine, by devoting ourselves to the worship of the source of all being, and by doing good deeds.
However, I think the most important one is knowledge (that is sacred no profane knowledge).

[Anonymous No.18254048]

>>18254012
>he doesn't know what Tradtionalism means
Retard faggot, go suck some tranny dick

[Anonymous No.18254055]

>>18254047
What is the purpose of worshiping the source? Why worship specifically? What is the meaning of good deeds?

[Anonymous No.18254062]

>>18254055
Truth, Beauty. Harmony.

[Anonymous No.18254072]

>>18254012
You were wrong about both traditionalism and hedonism in one post. Great job, retard.

[Anonymous No.18254075]

>>18254055
The eternal creator is the only one worthy of our worship. There is no salvation in false idols like political ideologies or philosophies.

[Anonymous No.18254077]

>>18253961
>How did you arrive at that conclusion? Don't you think that believing in this is a lazy answer to why we are here?
Occam's razor. Within the confines of human reason and knowledge, this is the only rational and logical answer. It does not require contrived beliefs or nonsensical deities to be functional and viable.

>Why are we the only beings that question their existence and crave meaning? We could just live like animals never give a damn about anything.
Pure, dumb luck. We're an anomaly, and with our great dominance and advancement came the unfortunate side effect of consciousness and scepticism.

>I believe that we are here on a mission and that Being born human is an extremely rare opportunity to advance in the chain of being and achieve a higher existence.
And I believe that is a cope. I won't live for some farfetched promise of paradise and eternal salvation that is dubious at best and empty at worst.

>>18254047
>by devoting ourselves to the worship of the source of all being
Ask 10 people and they will give you 10 different answers as to who this source is. It is not universal truth, and thus has no objective merit. It is simply another contrived belief as to not face mortality and absurdity.

[Anonymous No.18254078]

>>18253437
The new Dalton translation is supposed to be good. I believe Dalton is a fan of Hitler.

[Anonymous No.18254080]

>>18254012
I am happy that you are happy anon. But that's the exact definition of being bluepilled (that you don't know the reason of anything and just go with the herd chasing a career for meaning). Your "truth" is an elaborate cope. You could also be happy with a different state of mind other than absurdism because that's just turning off your brain.

[Anonymous No.18254091]

>>18254077
nigga you rreddit as fuck

[Anonymous No.18254103]

>>18254077
You'll like this book

[Anonymous No.18254111]

>>18254078
I heard it was decent but not great, supposedly it's an updated mishmash of previous translations (Ford, Manheim, and another iirc) and some errors in those are still present in the Dalton translation. The best thing about it is that it also comes in a dual language edition.
But I haven't confirmed this, just hearsay.

[Anonymous No.18254119]

>>18254036
What makes Nietzsche so special?

[Anonymous No.18254129]

>>18254080
>Your "truth" is an elaborate cope.
Pretty much. I could kill myself, but I'd rather persevere and drink a beer and smoke a joint this weekend.

>You could also be happy with a different state of mind other than absurdism because that's just turning off your brain.
I realise that. I could probably be happy as a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Bhuddist, or following any other religious, philosophical, or political ideology. But this makes the most sense to me, and frees me to actually embrace living to simply live rather than long for some supposed salvation.

>>18254062
>>18254075
>>18254091
>>18254103
Can religious cucks ever debate using something other than ad hominem? You didn't address or attempt to refute anything I or >>18254055 said.

If religion makes you happy and fulfils your search for meaning, good on you. But do not claim it is universal truth, and do not condemn eternal punishment upon everyone that disagrees with you.

[Anonymous No.18254141]

>>18254129
Worshiping God isn't an ad hominem lol

[Anonymous No.18254145]

>>18254129
No, you just don't seem to know much about the metaphysics behind religion. It's not about happiness, it's about the search for truth. You seem to have given up.

[Anonymous No.18254173]

>>18254055
Only a human can know what beauty and good are, that's because these things can't be quantified, and that's where our modern world view (science) fails because it can't measure quality.

[Anonymous No.18254229]

>>18254077
>>18254129
Phoneposting is torture, I promise I will try and reply to you when I get home.

[Anonymous No.18254239]

>>18254141
The question is which God or gods, if any, and why?

>>18254145
I was born religious, in a vehemently religious country, and as a matter of fact both my parents are theologians. I was sceptical, however, and tried to look further into the reason and proof, but I couldn't find anything satisfactory. I could not find this supposed truth, and I continue my search with no avail.

>you just don't seem to know much about the metaphysics behind religion
Enlighten me then

>>18254229
Looking forward to it matey

[Anonymous No.18254255]

>>18254239
What religion? I should have clarified that I'm not a follower of a religion myself, but I'm interested in the metaphysics behind religions. What do you think of perennialism?
> tried to look further into the reason and proof, but I couldn't find anything satisfactory
That's because it's religion/metaphyiscs, you won't find material reason or proof.

[Anonymous No.18254267]

Most religious texts especially the Hindu ones, the Bible also - but only if you believe. Anything that makes you so jaded and disillusioned with this world yet sparks some sense of overcoming or knowing will do the job (like Evola or Nietzsche)
>>18254103
Basically the opposite of this

[Anonymous No.18254309]

>>18254119
the facial hair aswell as the fact that he'd the most prolific shit poster on here were he alive today makes him very relatable to incels with an existential crisis like us

[Anonymous No.18254320]

>>18254129
>muh fallacies
you more r ddit than r ddit

[Anonymous No.18254337]

>>18254255
>perennialism
Interesting concept, but ultimately still just as baseless. Correlation is not causation, and it could be argued that it is simply a product of our shared human nature.

>you won't find material reason or proof
And that is why I'm agnostic. I will not operate on belief, and so I surrender myself as captive to my humanity while still acknowledging the absurdity of my existence. The blackpill is suicide, and the bluepill is living.

Again, I ask, why should I believe in anything beyond what could be proven or reasoned, when I could continue living just as well, if not better, without it?

[Anonymous No.18254404]

>>18254337
>Interesting concept, but ultimately still just as baseless. Correlation is not causation, and it could be argued that it is simply a product of our shared human nature.
But it's not baseless since there is, at least among the major traditions, traceable lineage back to a common ancestor/conception. It could be argued yes but that would be a worse argument than the actual perennialist argument.
>I will not operate on belief
Yet you do. Just not religious/metaphysical belief. Why would you choose belief of an inferior order?
>The blackpill is suicide, and the bluepill is living.
That's retarded. First, it's not a either/or. Not taking the black pill does not mean taking the blue pill instead. Second, by saying this, you've contradicted yourself above when you said you will not operate on belief, while the blue pill is just that. A belief that there is no higher justification.
>Again, I ask, why should I believe in anything beyond what could be proven or reasoned, when I could continue living just as well, if not better, without it?
Because there is more than just rational reason? A really strange question. There is a reason the ancients wrote about concepts such as the soul, man is more than just a mathematical machine.
If you can live better without it suit yourself, but all your posts seem to be just you coping and more trying to convince yourself more than others. But what do I know. Most people who live without a higher goal only live for escapism and hedonism, which is pretty sad.
What religion did you grow up in?

[Anonymous No.18254429]

You can’t go back once you’ve seen the crushing realism of life. The only thing you can do is construct an alternative reality to compete with life and you can do this with fiction, which, if taken to a certain point, begins to demand a view of life as nothing more than a prerequisite for imagination.

[Anonymous No.18254447]

>>18254267
>>18253560
>>18253432
How much of early Nietzsche do you have to read to get either Ecce Homo or Thus Spoke?

[Anonymous No.18254457]

>>18254447
none, his early work is not as good and he even said so. Mid to late work is fine

[Anonymous No.18254476]

Humans have no meaning or great purpose, and only have a biological imperative to spread their genes through breeding. In that regard we are no better than animals. However, unlike animals, we possess a higher mean of reasoning and the ability to use tools (though other primates can do so as well). My advice is to find a cope in either larping, religion, or philosophy. An example of larping would becoming a tradcath or online marxist. For philosophy I'd recommend stoicism or existentialism.

[Anonymous No.18254492]

>>18254457
That is good, thank you. I am trying to read "Le stone man is happy" and I feel I am getting filtered. Nietzsche recently got translated to my native language so that might help

[Anonymous No.18254540]

>>18253961
> Being born human is an extremely rare opportunity to advance in the chain of being and achieve a higher existence.

The scary thing about that is that the opportunity is being squandered if you don't join a monastic order in a legitimate tradition. Though flash enlightenment appears to be a thing, but how much do you want to risk on that happening?

[Anonymous No.18254550]

>>18253414
AMONGUS

[Anonymous No.18254589]

>>18254404
>Yet you do. Just not religious/metaphysical belief. Why would you choose belief of an inferior order?
And what do I believe in again? The absence of belief is not a belief, and it is not the same as the rejection of it.
>A belief that there is no higher justification.
Again, look up.

>Because there is more than just rational reason?
Yet neither can you, or anyone else, prove or justify that.
>There is a reason the ancients wrote about concepts such as the soul, man is more than just a mathematical machine.
Can you quantify, prove, or reason that? If not, it is just as baseless and nonsensical a claim.

>But what do I know. Most people who live without a higher goal only live for escapism and hedonism, which is pretty sad.
And what is your higher goal? What is the motivator? Where do you derive meaning for it from? I genuinely am curious.
For me, the issue of how to live is more so a psychological and moral one than it is a metaphysical, and it is not an objective one, but rather built on the path of least resistance. It is the constant choice between the lesser of two evils. Philosophy addresses the question of either living or suicide, and the rest is dependant on the person.
How you are wired, the experiences that shaped you, your psychology and physiology, pretty much everything that makes you human. You can aspire to maximise pleasure, set yourself some arbitrary, grand goal that you do nothing but work towards, or anything in between, it is all the same, so long as it aids in your continuing to live.

>What religion did you grow up in?
One of the Abrahamic ones, since they all have pretty much the same plot.

Actually enjoy chatting to you Anon

[Anonymous No.18254593]

>>18253715
Absurdists are among the most blue-pilled of postmodern men, if they can even be called men. If one wants to flirt with the absurd, it would be better to embrace the Clown. Cultures and religions all over the world have used the imagery of "fools" or "clowns" to draw greater attention to societal norms. Embrace the backwards and the contrarian, don't conform.

[Anonymous No.18254605]

>>18254593
Not him, but how does one fully embrace the jester archetype? I feel like there's something to it.

[Anonymous No.18254615]

>>18254103
tfw god is real and this is easily verifiable by psychedelic drugs but no one ever invited new atheist losers to a party

Seriously Dawkins is a boomer, too. That’s how you know his egregious personality isn’t just an artefact of his success

[Anonymous No.18254628]

>>18254605
Full embrace would be terrorism on a scale so large that it becomes the end of humanity.

[Anonymous No.18254652]

>>18254628
I don't have the balls or destructive drive to go full chaotic evil unfortunately

[Anonymous No.18254705]

>>18253409
>become motivated
"please deliver me to ignorance once more!"

[Anonymous No.18254710]

>>18254075
For some reason, the common narrative about returning to the One is something I don't find very compelling. Is that really all there is to it? We play our part in this game of life, then we die, and are reabsorbed into eternity?

[Anonymous No.18254746]

>>18254589
>The absence of belief is not a belief, and it is not the same as the rejection of it.
But you don't have absence of belief, you have absence of religion. You believe that there is no higher goal and that you should find your own meaning in the "absurdity" of life. The absence of evidence (of a higher truth) is not evidence of absence.
>Can you quantify, prove, or reason that? If not, it is just as baseless and nonsensical a claim.
Only if you set the standard by materialistic means. Which you do and I don't. Therefore you'll never be open to the "arguments" (insofar as you can call them that since they don't operate on purely logical reasoning) of the metaphysical side.
I do think it's etymologically funny that you mention quantifying, when the goal of metaphysics is quite the opposite, quality. If you haven't, I suggest you take a look at Guenon (The Reign of Quantity).
>And what is your higher goal? What is the motivator? Where do you derive meaning for it from? I genuinely am curious.
As I said before: Truth, Beauty, Harmony. I know those are abstract concepts and I can't relate them to you over this medium. I was an agnostic too until Truth/God/whatever enlightened me and I suddenly understood the meaning. I know it doesn't help you, it was an individualistic experience (but one that helped me understand the universality, ironically). It gave me an anchor point, a compass if you will. It's not always easy but I always know where I'm going.
>built on the path of least resistance. It is the constant choice between the lesser of two evils
I understand that feeling, but it's a very depressing way of leading your life. It's about avoiding pain, mitigating suffering, instead of experiencing life in its fullest. There's bad and dark that comes with life, but also good and light. I hope you'll be able to see there is more to life than pure materialism and contingency someday.
>One of the Abrahamic ones, since they all have pretty much the same plot.
To me, religion is something for the masses, it gives them morality and structure (especially the Abrahamic ones), and I can understand why many intelligent people are turned off by it (I was too). But metaphysics is about finding the truth behind all the religions and traditions.
>Actually enjoy chatting to you Anon
Same, I've had much worse interactions here.

[Anonymous No.18254785]

>>18254012
>I simply embrace the absurdity of life
You are caught in a river that will drown you.
What's with everyone thinking the soul is immortal?
You have a finite time to illuminate yourself or you'll return to source and be absorbed.
Never stop pushing yourselves anons.

[Anonymous No.18254793]

>>18254785
>What's with everyone thinking the soul is immortal?
Read Phaedo

[Anonymous No.18254825]

>>18254793
Thanks anon. Im as green as they come, Any other top books on soul/Devine energy of oneself and spiritus mundi/waters of consciousness etc.

[Anonymous No.18254841]

The last messiah
>Ignore bad feels
>Anchor yourself to whatever belief makes you feel happy
>Distract yourself with menial tasks
>Turn bad feels into art
Everything else is cope.

[Anonymous No.18254847]

>>18253409
Did you become "blackpilled" just because of reading some books? If not, why do you expect books to change you?

[Anonymous No.18254864]

>>18254589
>>18254337
>>18254239
>>18254129
>>18254077
You sound like Nick Fuentes

FUCK OFF

[Anonymous No.18254897]

>>18254077
>Pure, dumb luck. We're an anomaly, and with our great dominance.
What is the chance of an ape hitting a typewriter randomly and produce Hamlet by "pure dump luck"
Your evolutionary world view is retarded and still doesn't explain consciousness, and is essentially a pseudobelief in progress.
I think that deep down inside you feel empty and unfulfilled, that's why you keep putting "le happy pepe" in every post. Why are you lying to yourself and others?

[Anonymous No.18254903]

>>18254864
Fuentes is a Catholic though.

[Anonymous No.18254940]

>>18254746
>You believe that there is no higher goal and that you should find your own meaning in the "absurdity" of life
I do not believe there is no higher goal, I just don't assume there is one because why would I? There might be one, but it is beyond human reason and knowledge, so why concern oneself with an unanswerable question?
>The absence of evidence (of a higher truth) is not evidence of absence.
Yes, but that doesn't mean a higher truth is the default conclusion. Read up.

>Therefore you'll never be open to the "arguments" (insofar as you can call them that since they don't operate on purely logical reasoning) of the metaphysical side.
Again, that is my core problem with belief, especially ones that designate themselves as absolute or the truth. If you cannot prove or reason for or against it, why even bother with it? No honest and objective conclusion can be reached, and so it is as good as a comforting lie at best.

>it was an individualistic experience
>It gave me an anchor point, a compass if you will. It's not always easy but I always know where I'm going.
Sounds exactly like what I described as personal meaning and purpose. It is not logical or rational, not by any universal metric, but it gives you reason to live and direction to living. You're just describing another individual coping mechanism to me.

>But metaphysics is about finding the truth behind all the religions and traditions.
Yet I still cannot see this universal truth, especially since you said that you cannot describe it, and that it is some sort of individualistic epiphany that operates beyond reason. Arguing for it, thus, seems like a futile and useless exercise to me.

[Anonymous No.18254981]

>>18254847
Books have the power to make us into fanatics, zealots, idealists, careerists, and various other mental diseases of ascribed meaning

[Anonymous No.18254987]

>>18254847
Just being an average male in a western country will blackpill you if you're not a complete retard or a narrow-minded dogmatist

[Anonymous No.18254999]

>>18254589
>Can you quantify, prove, or reason that? If not, it is just as baseless and nonsensical a claim.
Your worship of quantity and denial of anything other than it is a sign that the end is approaching. People have become so deluded with their cleaver machines and toys that they reduce everything to what can be observed with their animal senses. Can you feel sadness anon? Where is it? you can't reduce all of human experience to material causes, and the ancients were ironically more advanced than us when it came to sensing what lied beyond the material realm, it can be said that we have become blind.
It scares me that there are possibly millions like you anon.

[Anonymous No.18255029]

>>18254785
>What's with everyone thinking the soul is immortal?
It is not. The 'soul' ceases with your death.
>You have a finite time to illuminate yourself or you'll return to source and be absorbed.
What great insight you offer
>Never stop pushing yourselves anons.
Exactly. You have one life, make it count.

>>18254864
It's okay anon, they're just words. Sticks and stones fren.

>>18254897
>What is the chance of an ape hitting a typewriter randomly and produce Hamlet by "pure dump luck"
Very low, which is why it took millions of years.
>Your evolutionary world view is retarded and still doesn't explain consciousness, and is essentially a pseudobelief in progress.
Are we really regressing this far back?
>I think that deep down inside you feel empty and unfulfilled, that's why you keep putting "le happy pepe" in every post. Why are you lying to yourself and others?
Oh, damn you caught me. Hug me please, anon, and bless my sinful existence :(

>>18254999
>Can you feel sadness anon? Where is it?
In my brain and biochemistry
>sensing what lied beyond the material realm
They sensed many incompatible beliefs and quarrelled over the different, absolutely, undoubtfully correct Truths they sought to enlighten others on

[Anonymous No.18255031]

>>18254987
I don't live in a western country but seeing the current state of your countries is honestly depressing. I believe that the cycle is nearing its end, so just hang in there and stay strong fren.

[Anonymous No.18255041]

>>18255029
Another obnoxious dogmatist who thinks he's the only one to not cling to dogma
Boring

[Anonymous No.18255091]

>>18255029
You're obviously open to the idea of the metaphysical. Maybe there is a scientific basis for 'intellectual intuition', a 6th sense that allows a deeper perception of reality. Maybe we are born with this, and it isn't a cope. Doesn't the possibility at least interest you?

[Anonymous No.18255125]

>>18255029
>In my brain and biochemistry
Your world view is extremely reductionist, mechanical and degrading to the elegance of the human being (this is exactly how jews describe the gentiles in their talmud). Yeah you can inject a wacky chemical in your body and feel happy or sad but is the experience of happiness inherent in the chemical or is it you who feels it? Who even are you?
Science can never explain consciousness, and that's where they will stop and hit a wall with their AI research. Never in a billion years would two AIs discuss the meaning of life and their being on an internet forum.

[Anonymous No.18255137]

>>18254999
Checked. The end is nigh...

[Anonymous No.18255139]

>>18255029
Watch this, disregarding the annoying host
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd6CQCbk2ro

[Anonymous No.18255250]

>>18254940
>I do not believe there is no higher goal, I just don't assume there is one because why would I?
Many wise men from various traditions have written extensively about it, are you wiser than them? Have you lived more? Experienced more?
>why concern oneself with an unanswerable question?
It's not unanswerable though. The answer is that there is a higher goal if you open your intellectual intuition to it.
>but that doesn't mean a higher truth is the default conclusion.
Nor that no truth is the default conclusion. Now what?
>If you cannot prove or reason for or against it, why even bother with it?
Why is that a necessity? That's a belief you've foisted upon yourself.
>No honest and objective conclusion can be reached, and so it is as good as a comforting lie at best.
Just because you're not open to Truth doesn't make it a lie. It just shows you have a very narrow conception of the human experience.
>It is not logical or rational, not by any universal metric, but it gives you reason to live and direction to living. You're just describing another individual coping mechanism to me.
That's on you. I'm far from the only person to have gone through such an experience. Many others have described the exact same thing. If everything is coping, nothing is coping. Again, why does it have to be logical or rational? That's an arbitrary limit you've put on the issue. Existence isn't logical or rational by materialistic standards. Again, people like Guenon have written about the "logic" of such metaphysical processes.
>Yet I still cannot see this universal truth, especially since you said that you cannot describe it, and that it is some sort of individualistic epiphany that operates beyond reason. Arguing for it, thus, seems like a futile and useless exercise to me.
It is described in the esoteric aspects of all traditions and religions. Just because you cannot find it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You seem to willfully close your experience off to certain possibilites. Very sad.

[Anonymous No.18255253]

Let's say the metaphysical is real. What next? Why?


>>18255091
>Doesn't the possibility at least interest you?
It does interest me, and is actually very fun to ponder and lament, but in the end it is a maybe, and I will not base my one chance at life on a possibility.

That is my issue, it is the uselessness of all this maybe, and the relativism and uncertainty of it.

>>18255125
I cannot prove or disprove anything, nor do I really care to, but others do and so only time will tell.

For the time being, however, no matter the mechanics behind our humanity, I still find solace and pleasure in being human. I still enjoy living, loving, hating, and all the other aspects of my human condition and existence. I still derive pleasure from nostalgia, and still enjoy the bittersweet melancholia. I do not have to explain why or how, I simply have to continue on living and seeking out experience. How you do that is, ultimately, irrelevant.

My stance is, simply, the rejection of some greater meaning or purpose. Or, more correctly, the embracing of the lack of it. What you do with that, then, is up to the individual. You either kill yourself, or you succumb to your nature and curiosity and continue living. Neither is more correct, and both are equally viable.

>>18255139
That's a long one. Will check it out though anon.

[Anonymous No.18255267]

>>18255253
>base my one chance at life on a possibility.
What do you have to lose? Nobody's saying you have to become a monk. Seeking to experience what might exist beyond mere physical existence is fun and interesting, check out Robert Monroe's books if you don't trust ancient knowledge.

[Anonymous No.18255295]

>>18255253
>I will not base my one chance at life on a possibility.
Yet you're doing exactly that but instead with your own coping philosophy. Why not go for something more profound? Obviously you're not content.

[Anonymous No.18255422]

>>18255253
>I cannot prove or disprove anything, nor do I really care to, but others do and so only time will tell
That's the equivalent of saying I am too lazy/stupid to know anything by myself. Like the other anon said sadly you are a dogmatist that got fed with the modern world view of relativism, evolution, and progress.
Your seeking of "experience" is an attempt to fill the void in your soul of being distant from the creator/the father/the source of our being.
Good and evil cannot exist without the higher principle that we strive for. Only God is good and we should all try to mirror his image in our lives by being virtuous and kind to his creatures.
If you can't recognize what's good and what's evil then you have sold your soul to the devil.
Living like this is the same as committing intellectual suicide and being a mindless drone. I don't want you to be like this anon, it's unnatural and perverted way of living.

[Anonymous No.18255432]

>>18255250
>Many wise men from various traditions have written extensively about it, are you wiser than them? Have you lived more? Experienced more?
Bit of a strawman, no?
>The answer is that there is a higher goal if you open your intellectual intuition to it.
"Justify your answer."
>...
A whole lot of contrarian and relativistic arguments with no point
>Just because you cannot find it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You seem to willfully close your experience off to certain possibilites.
Please enlighten me as to what this possibility may be then? If you cannot, and it is indescribable, then it is very much useless to try and claim it as the truth. How can something so objective as to be labelled the ultimate truth not even able to be conveyed and taught? Insisting on otherwise is just you perpetuating an unfalsifiable claim, which is borderline delusional.

>>18255267
>What do you have to lose?
Nothing, I very much am open to new and fun shit, I just disagree with some nonsensical and unfalsifiable vague claim being labelled as the truth.
>Seeking to experience what might exist beyond mere physical existence is fun and interesting
Does sound like it. Any resources on it and how to try it?

>>18255295
>Why not go for something more profound?
And what is that thing? I have yet to find something that adequately and sufficiently fulfils this supposed meaning of life, and so until then, I will not claim that there is anything beyond the absurd. I'm open to convincing and reasonable arguments, just not to pure faith.
>Obviously you're not content.
I am more content with this state of mind than with anything else I have ever come across.

[Anonymous No.18255435]

>thread about anti-blackpill books becomes a thread about saving anon's spirit from the religion of physicalism

[Anonymous No.18255448]

>>18255432
>Any resources on it and how to try it?
I recommended Monroe's books, if you want practical results, check out his tapes here https://mega.nz/folder/cQpFQQxS#24jswTC1FDF0uWGkAvmIRQ
You could also try this method https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQjAIlFZWWc
These are just experiences but they'll show you, if you're honest with yourself, that there's more to this existence than the mere material.

[Anonymous No.18255451]

>>18255435
dealing with the root problem

[Anonymous No.18255455]

Why would you want to live a life of self-deception?
Being black/redpilled is way more fun

[Anonymous No.18255462]

>>18255432
>Bit of a strawman, no?
No, it's not. You haven't answered the question. Why do you think you're wiser than those I mentioned?
>A whole lot of contrarian and relativistic arguments with no point
Just like yours. There is no point if you don't want to see it I guess. You're not exactly open to new ideas, you're just flaunting your own shallow experience of life.
>How can something so objective as to be labelled the ultimate truth not even able to be conveyed and taught?
But my dear retard, it can be. There's many traditions that teach this in varying exoteric forms. That I cannot doesn't mean no one can. Read Guenon.
>Insisting on otherwise is just you perpetuating an unfalsifiable claim, which is borderline delusional.
Only by your standards. By my standards, you are borderline delusional for clingin to such a shallow view of the human experience.
>I am more content with this state of mind than with anything else I have ever come across.
That's quite the low bar.
I pity you, anon.

[Anonymous No.18255470]

[Anonymous No.18255471]

>>18254999
Based! Read the reign of quantity and the signs of the times ASAP.

[Anonymous No.18255492]

>>18255451
Hyperborea?

[Anonymous No.18255502]

>>18255492
Think so, but I dont know the artist, I just like the symbolism of the painting

[Anonymous No.18255524]

>>18253414
good rec

[Anonymous No.18255550]

Seize the moment, Anons. Live for yourselves, and make the most out of this chance at life. Do not rely on a supposed greater meaning or purpose beyond yourself just to continue on living. Embrace the absurd, and revolt against it.


>>18255422
>the creator/the father/the source of our being
Who is this creator? What does he call for?
I've been asking this question all day and not once has it been addressed adequately
>Living like this is the same as committing intellectual suicide and being a mindless drone
Isn't blind, unfalsifiable faith the equivalent of this, just with more cope?

>>18255448
Cheers m8, I'll check them out.

One thing though, how is this any different from psychedelics and drugs? They both provide this out of body and profound experiences, so where is the distinction exactly?

>>18255462
>There is no point if you don't want to see it I guess. You're not exactly open to new ideas, you're just flaunting your own shallow experience of life.
Describe these new fucking ideas. Enlighten me on this truth. Show me the fucking light. Simply saying "if you know, you know" is just fucking dumb.
>I pity you, anon.
Why? Because I can continue on living and enjoying my overall living without looking for some contrived meaning or resorting to some absurd reason? Because I do not need some supposed greater purpose to not kill myself or do harm onto others?

[Anonymous No.18255558]

>>18254036
>>18254309
Nietzsche was an egoist, if you admire his attitude towards living life you'd probably enjoy Stirner - The Ego and Its Own

[Anonymous No.18255575]

>>18255550
Revolting would be >>18254628, not whatever you're doing

[Anonymous No.18255588]

>>18255575
kek

[Anonymous No.18255598]

>>18255492
>>18255502
Did a quick search and found that it's supposed to be hyperborea, the theory that slavs are hyperboreas is popular among ruskies.
Link for more images: https://www.liveinternet.ru/users/2571390/tags/%E6%E8%E2%EE%EF%E8%F1%FC/

[Anonymous No.18255610]

>>18255588
My point still stands, though.

[Anonymous No.18255620]

>>18255598
Thanks for the source, and that would explain the clothing style

[Anonymous No.18255643]

>>18254077
>Ask 10 people and they will give you 10 different answers as to who this source is. It is not universal truth
Retard.

[Anonymous No.18255694]

>>18255550
>Who is this creator?
The source of your "being" why do you exist and a pink cow doesn't? It's because God created you and gave you being. The source of this being is ONE, people call him God, Allah, Dao, Brahman, etc, but he remains the one and only necessary being that is the source of all multiplicity that you see around you. Why is there something instead of nothing anon?
>Isn't blind, unfalsifiable faith the equivalent of this, just with more cope?
It isn't "blind" or "falsified", on the contrary it's perfectly compatible with the logic and intellectual intuition. If you can't see all the beauty in the world, flowers, clouds, trees and think that God is beautiful then you are sadly just blind anon.
Oh wait evolution just explains why we feel happy when we see all of that. Flowers mean the possiblity of acquiring medicine, and clouds mean there is a chance of rain. Right anon?

[Anonymous No.18255702]

>>18255620
You are welcome fren <3

[Anonymous No.18255782]

>>18255694
>Oh wait evolution just explains why we feel happy when we see all of that. Flowers mean the possiblity of acquiring medicine, and clouds mean there is a chance of rain. Right anon?
Maybe, all that matters is flowers are beautiful and untouched scenery makes me feel good. The why is largely irrelevant to the question of living.

Can you address >>18254055 though, anon. And what is your stance on eternal punishment for sin? Especially since you're not describing a single deity or religion as the absolute truth.

[Anonymous No.18255789]

>>18253409
Books won't help you anon. Just simply "be", like the animals. Think that you will make it, and you will make it.

If you're blackpilled politically, know that this political order ain't long for this world, because industrial society is heading for its deathbed. If you want to read more, Greer and Kunstler talk about it a extensively.

[Anonymous No.18255820]

>>18253409
I cannot recommend enough Sun and Steel by Yukio Mishima.

[Anonymous No.18255867]

>>18255789
What does "making it" mean, anyway?
Everyone says wagmi/ngmi, but what does it mean fundamentally? When do you know you've made it?

[Anonymous No.18255883]

>>18255782
>Maybe. The why is largely irrelevant to the question of living.
I honestly feel like I am done with you anon, you seem to be asking questions you are not even ready for, and all my argument seem to fly over your head. I am sorry can't explain colors to a blind man.
Another anon already answered that, and as for being irritated and annoyed by the exoteric, then you don't deserve to know the esoteric. Who are you to question God? Why are humans so arrogant?

[Anonymous No.18255958]

>>18254628
>>18254652
Let's bring the world to nuclear annihilation together and then kill ourselves.

[Anonymous No.18255965]

>>18255958
If only this was a genuine possibility I'd be unironically up for it.

[Anonymous No.18255975]

>>18254987
>Tfw surrounded by complete retards and narrow minded dogmatists

[Anonymous No.18255985]

>>18255867
When he conforms to societal norms of being a winner; having a house, car, respected job, money, etc.

[Anonymous No.18255992]

>>18255985
Then I am never going to make it and don't want to.

[Anonymous No.18256017]

>>18253409
The works of Epictetus, unironically

[Anonymous No.18256075]

>>18255867
"making it" is what you make of it anon

[Anonymous No.18256080]

>>18255992
Well, it doesn't hurt having a house and providing for your family, but it shouldn't be the main concern in your life. I believe career addicts who have no other meaning in their lives will just go down in the chain of being and get reincarnated as niggers or even lower, maybe that's why their number (niggers) is raising? I don't know.

[Anonymous No.18256149]

>>18255470
What, nobody read it?

[Anonymous No.18256257]

Based apu poster

[Anonymous No.18256363]

>>18255789
>If you're blackpilled politically
This is the tip of the iceberg, anon. I don't even care about politics anymore. Everything just seems so profoundly fucked at every single level.

[Anonymous No.18256445]

>>18255883
>Another anon already answered that
Point me towards it, cause I see none in sight
>Who are you to question God?
I am human, it is in my nature to question
>Why are humans so arrogant?
Didn't God make us that way?

Thing is, anon, I just don't think you've experienced enough hardship and suffering in this life. I have seen good, God-loving people die, get prosecuted and jailed, and live in constant hardship and suffering, all for no fault of their own. People doomed to suffer greatly for the simple fault of being born in the wrong place and at the wrong time. What is kid born into poverty and sold to slavery, hooked on drugs and forced into sex, to do for salvation? What is a kid born into war and made into a soldier, before most others in this world can even sleep by themselves at night, to do for salvation? What is someone with all the odds stacked against them, when some others do not experience one ounce of hardship throughout their own life, to do for salvation? And what about the evil and tyrannical that prosper? The wrongdoers and monsters that have never, and probably never will, face any consequences for their actions? Where is the wisdom and love in creating such an unfair world, and promising a far-fetched solace that cannot be comprehended or reached within the bounds of human reason, so man then only has blind faith to supposedly guide him towards this contrived resolution?

And if you claim it is heaven or some other abstract, unfalsifiable bullshit, then you are the one who is naïve. If God is good, there would be no evil nor suffering, and all the mental gymnastics that lead you to conclude that God is good can just as well be contorted to conclude that God is evil. Good and evil just are, and they inflict people without sense or reason. Suffering is innate, and it does not discriminate. Any system to justify it is fundamentally lacking and incomplete, and they all favour the fortunate.

Watch the movie Silence, it really is an interesting look into belief and religion.

>>18255958
>>18255965
Everything is possible if you put your mind to it :) Leggo lads

>>18256363
>Everything just seems so profoundly fucked at every single level.
Most things are, and it doesn't make sense. So again I ask, what are you gonna do?
Will you die or live? And if you will live, how will you live? Only you can answer these questions. Once you have reached your conclusion, only then can you start rebuilding and progressing.

[Anonymous No.18256460]

>>18255883
I don't agree with physicalism but I think your answer is unsatisfying. The question "why is it necessary to worship the source/the One/God" is a legitimate one. I don't see the source as a being, much less as one to whom worship would constitute the proper way to connect with the transcendent.

[Anonymous No.18256494]

>>18256445
>what are you gonna do?
On one hand my existence makes me want to use spite and resentment to propel me and keep going. On the other hand I know that might not be the best option.

[Anonymous No.18256523]

>>18253437
The stalag translation

[Anonymous No.18256535]

>>18253594
I’m flattered

[Anonymous No.18256550]

>>18255958
How about I beat the fucking shit out of you instead tranime faggot

[Anonymous No.18256556]

>>18253418
>>18253431
>>18253433
Hitler is so fucking funny and edgy like me!!!!

[Anonymous No.18256586]

>>18256550
Seethe roastie

[Anonymous No.18256613]

>>18256556
So it seems

[Anonymous No.18256943]

reminder you have to be 18 to post here

[Anonymous No.18256992]

>>18253409
you only need this image

[Anonymous No.18256999]

>>18256556
Hitler is one of the least edgy people ever, the guy was a complete moralfag.

[Anonymous No.18257033]

>>18254847
tfw

[Anonymous No.18257106]

>>18253409
No book did it for me. I got into investing and money will help me get out of this rut for sure. You can either stay in a tortured stagnate state discussing how the world works while making no progress or try and gather resources to overcome.

[Anonymous No.18257144]

>>18254447
Gay Science will really help if you read it before TSZ. It's not really that you have to read his earlier stuff to understand his later stuff, it's that he is a terrible place to start reading philosophy considering that the vast majority of his writing is commenting on previous thinkers.

[Anonymous No.18257324]

>>18253409

I'd suggest "Against the Odds: Motivating Past the Blackpill" by Yorfu Tureself.

[Anonymous No.18257561]

>>18253409
Xenophon’s Anabasis, or March of the Ten Thousand. We have every single advantage to them now except for the human spirit. It makes you want to reclaim that, and show that a legacy of 2400 years have not been in vain

[Anonymous No.18257625]

>>18253414
Excellent rec

[Anonymous No.18257714]

>>18255867
For Zyzz making it meant getting really buff and having casual sex.

[Anonymous No.18257932]

>>18256999
It's true. He never did anything wrong, which was his downfall.

[Anonymous No.18258508]

>>18253409
Thus Spoke Zarathustra

[Anonymous No.18258601]

>>18257144
So where should I start reading from ,anon to get a good grasp up until Nietzsche ?

[Anonymous No.18258613]

>>18253665
>Political ideologies can't replace philosophy and religion, although they increasingly try to.
This anon gets it.

[Anonymous No.18258632]

>>18256556
I dont agree with his personal body formula but i can admit he is superior to 99.9% of men obviously

[Anonymous No.18258641]

PLATO

[Anonymous No.18258644]

>blackpill
if you're so determined to be "blackpilled'
no one will convince (You)

[Anonymous No.18258648]

>>18258644
>"how do I not be blackpilled?"
>"I see you're determined to be blackpilled"

[Anonymous No.18258693]

>>18256992
Hard to apply for real

[Anonymous No.18258702]

>>18258693
This book is very good for the "yes, but HOW do I not care?", in addition to quickly putting aside the misconception that it's just about not caring.

[Anonymous No.18258825]

>>18258702
>the misconception that it's just about not caring.
It's not?

[Anonymous No.18258898]

>>18253409
Montaigne’s essays

[Anonymous No.18258918]

>>18257033
>Can fight against overwhelming odds
Guts is not blackpilled, he keeps trudging on no matter what. I wish I could be on the same level of sheer will as him.

[Anonymous No.18259149]

>>18254007
literally the first thing he says in the plague is how fucking stupid shekelbergs economy is

[Anonymous No.18259157]

>>18253409
Worth an attempt at what?

[Anonymous No.18259166]

>>18259157
living

[Anonymous No.18259180]

>>18259166
You're already living, you've been living this whole time. This is the Stoic fallacy. What else are you going to do apart from what is already the easiest possible thing to do, staying alive? What is worth an attempt?

[Anonymous No.18259329]

>>18254036
How does Nietzsche realistically expect us to let go of ressentiment? It seems impossible in this day and age.

[Anonymous No.18259389]

>>18255524
>>18257625
Gay

[Anonymous No.18259650]

>>18259329
become a neet, a forest dweller or make money and live way below your means
either or

[Anonymous No.18259825]

>>18256445
It's so strange that westerners are the only ones who see evil and deny God, or say that he is evil or a demiurge.
People in Gaza, Iraq, or Yemen suffer from devastating wars, their children are killed, their houses are destroyed, yet, no one says that God doesn't exist or that he is evil because of that. The world isn't God and creation implies separation from the source of goodness and light, hence, the prevalence of dark shadows (evil).
The question of why did God create the world then is whole different matter.

>>18256460
>why is it necessary to worship the source/the One/God
The world isn't good or just, only God is. That's why you need to move closer to God by worshiping him to you save your soul from the void. In other words, God doesn't need your worship, (You) need it.
>I don't see the source as a being
God is beyond being (the manifested and the unmanifested), and his essence is unknown to us because it's beyond our comprehension. No matter what anyone says they end up worshiping something be it money, status, women, etc. I choose God because he is the only one worthy of my worship.

[Anonymous No.18260009]

>>18259825
>No matter what anyone says they end up worshiping something be it money, status, women, etc. I choose God because he is the only one worthy of my worship.
How about yourself?

[Anonymous No.18260063]

>>18259329
Ressentiment is caused by being a physiological failure forced into submission by your superiors. Either you have it or you don't.

[Anonymous No.18260074]

>>18260063
So I should just accept I'm the last man, become a neet and wait to die?

[Anonymous No.18260266]

>>18260074
Bee yourself.

[Anonymous No.18260276]

Ulysses, the poem by Tennyson

[Anonymous No.18260298]

>>18257033
Guys isn't blackpilled, he's a struggler, aka a normie wagie. He never had control of his life or destiny, not even since birth.

[Anonymous No.18260333]

>>18253732
It's not necissarily that Nietzsche lacked substance. He's a systematic philosopher answering how to address problems of meaning. It's that I didn't have the background to fully incorporate that at 20.

After another decade of learning, I understand him better but I don't necissarily agree with his prescriptions. Jung was a Nietzschean, but came to a more holistic view of creating meaning, and acknowledged the role of numinous experience, even if it didn't come from traditional religious sources. Victor Frankel is probably the best intro for OP though.

>>18253409
Read this OP. It is very short. It was written by a psychiatrist who had his entire family die in the Holocaust and was in death camps slated to die after being worked to death as well. Then he had years of experience helping others face trials like alcoholism, incest/molestation, etc. He has a depth of wisdom.

[Anonymous No.18260338]

>>18253409

First of all ignore current events just do it it's truly the only way
Second become comfy find the comfiness wherever it is whatever it takes don't be discouraged if it seems demeaning, silly, or childish comfy is peace comfy is strength repeat this mantra
Lastly with these things you will have the foothold to fight demoralization never under any circumstances allow yourself to be demoralized demoralization creates weakness and weakness makes you susceptible to further demoralization recognize the cycle and don't get caught

[Anonymous No.18260358]

>>18257033
Guts' life is a series of psychic wounds. From being an orphan, to being sold for sex, to growing up as a murderer, to being attacked and driven away by his only parent-like figure, to the Eclipse.

Golden Age shows him slowly enjoying friendship. But he has to give that up to find his own deeper meaning, and not live only serving Griffith.

This is pretty classic individuation. He is ending adolescence and has to strive for his own meaning if he is to become complete. This means leaving the safety of friends, but when he returns he is able to find love in a female counterpart because he has developed his masculine ability to direct change and meaning.

Then there is the classic chthonic trip to the underworld and sort of death (the Brand of Sacrifice) that pulls him into the supernatural (the Hero's Journey).

He becomes obsessed with vengeance and begins to lose himself. The battles in the Black Swordman and Lost Children are entertaining, but the real drama and risk to Guts is his being stalked by his own anger and rage. His Jungian shadow is personified as a black beast inside him, stalking him.

The Beserker Armor makes him fully confront this rage, and the story is about how, in order to actually harness his shadow and use it to his advantage, he must open himself up to friendships and love again and become individuated.

The Beserker Armor is a classic "Battle with the Red Knight" from Robert A. Johnson's He: Understanding Masculine Psychology.

[Anonymous No.18260362]

>>18253409
Nietzsches works or stuff from camus

[Anonymous No.18260593]

>>18253543
fuck off

[Anonymous No.18260629]

>>18260338
Even after completely ignoring current events (I've been pic related for three years) I still can't see any reason to hope for anything in this world.

[Anonymous No.18260654]

Find a vocation, woman or war that interests you.

[Anonymous No.18260663]

>>18260654
>vocation
Nothing seems quite interesting enough to fully devote myself to.
>woman
Just thinking about it makes me exhausted.
>war
Nothing is worth fighting for, especially not current ideologies.

[Anonymous No.18260745]

>>18260654
>woman that interests you
That is recipe for disaster if she leaves

[Anonymous No.18260780]

>>18260745
so?

[Anonymous No.18260806]

>>18260780
so it is shit advice if you think you are blackpilled already. You will just get more blackpilled.

[Anonymous No.18260823]

>>18260806
so it’s best to do nothing because things might go wrong and make you feel bad?

[Anonymous No.18260829]

>>18260823
No, you absolute baboon. I know you are baiting, but I will still answer. The other examples in that post might still be good options.

[Anonymous No.18260879]

>>18259825
>It's so strange that westerners are the only ones who see evil and deny God, or say that he is evil or a demiurge.
I'm a third-worlder faggot. I've never even been North of the Mediterranean.
>People in Gaza, Iraq, or Yemen suffer from devastating wars, their children are killed, their houses are destroyed, yet, no one says that God doesn't exist or that he is evil because of that
I've lived there over half my life, and I say that. Many do as well. Just a lot more cling to hope as it is their only salvation. And some others pervert this faith to justify their actions and lashing out against the injustice.
>The world isn't God and creation implies separation from the source of goodness and light
>The world isn't good or just, only God is
So then how did you conclude God is good again?

Again, watch Silence. It's an interesting look into suffering and faith.

>>18260009
Based

>>18259329
Don't. Be human. Love, but also hate. Be grateful to those that showed you good, and resentful to those that showed you evil. Experience emotions, and bask in the good, but also learn from the bad. This is the only way you can become a better man, while also staying true to your humanity. It's all about balance.

>>18260629
>I still can't see any reason to hope for anything in this world.
Again, anon, what will you do? Will you live, or will you die? It's a simple yes or no, answer that and then you can move on to other questions with absolute conviction.

>>18260663
Stop being a defeatist cunt. You don't seem to want to save yourself from misery, but rather bask in it. Think about the above questions, then move.
If you see absolutely nothing of worth in living, and you are adamant about that conclusion, then you can kill yourself with absolute conviction. Just before you do that, at least try and do something you'd enjoy. Grab some drinks with a few friends and crack some jokes. Smoke a joint and put on your favourite album. Any small thing that brings you joy, and think about what you feel then.

[Anonymous No.18260889]

>>18260663
>>18260663
>Nothing seems quite interesting enough to fully devote myself to.
You lack creativity. Actually look at stuff and you are bound to find something. There must be like a randomizer you hit if you really are that retarded.
>Just thinking about it makes me exhausted.
Same, but it's worth it
>Nothing is worth fighting for, especially not current ideologies.
It's not about the ideology, its about fighting for the sake of fighting itself for self-actualisation. Plus there are so many wars worth fighting.

[Anonymous No.18261072]

>>18260879
>kill yourself
Not courageous enough for it. And I just cling to the vague hope that maybe someday something good will happen.
>>18260889
>You lack creativity
Probably.
>it's worth it
Not for everyone.
>there are so many wars worth fighting.
Which ones?

[Anonymous No.18261247]

>>18261072
>And I just cling to the vague hope that maybe someday something good will happen.
And that is your human nature. So either you rebel against it and kill yourself, or give into it and continue to live.

You seem to have already chosen the latter, so the next step now is embrace. Embrace living, stop hoping, and start working. Chance is fickle and uncertain, so seize control and start working towards what you want, or wish for in this life.

Identify your goal in this life, however pointless or arbitrary it may be, then identify how you would like to live your life and achieve said goal. It can be as simple and banal as a a house and a wife, or as grand as greatness and heroism. And you can live in absolute eudaimonia or complete hedonia, whichever you see fit. Remember, there are no absolutes, and life is what you make of it.

Pic related for practical shit you can implement in your journey

[Anonymous No.18261300]

>>18261247
>Identify your goal in this life
Does everyone have a goal?
I just don't care about anything.

[Anonymous No.18261396]

>>18261300
>I just don't care about anything.
Then kill yourself you fucking faggot.
Either stop with the defeatist self-pity and start working, or continue to live in misery you sad fucking coward. Slow progress is better than none.

Reread that again, and try and actually dissect and understand it. I honestly think the most applicable advice to you now is:
have sex, incel

[Anonymous No.18261403]

>>18261396
You sound like a retard

[Anonymous No.18261589]

>>18261396
This "tough love" shit is really cringe. Reminds me of the old 4chan infographics back when it was cool to swear and use "badass" language as much as possible. Go back to >>>/adv/.

[Anonymous No.18261630]

>>18253665
>political ideologies can't replace philosophy and religion
They can and are.

[Anonymous No.18261663]

>>18253409
no non-fiction works for sure

[Anonymous No.18261702]

>>18256943
imagine reading Aquinas physically

Keep reading him online and godspeed to you!

[Anonymous No.18261705]

>>18261589
Anon has been a defeatist, self-pitying cunt throughout this whole thread though. He does not make effort to understand or reciprocate, and is simply basking in his own misery. His replies are short and shallow, and his conversations cyclical. There really is not much more that can be said to such a character, he simply has to realise and find this will within himself.

[Anonymous No.18261709]

>>18260333
>jew holohoax book
skipped.

[Anonymous No.18261725]

>>18261705
>throughout this whole thread
Not everyone who calls you a retard is the same person

[Anonymous No.18261729]

>>18260358
>chthonic trip to the underworld
>subterranean trip to the underworld

[Anonymous No.18261737]

>>18261709
Based

[Anonymous No.18261849]

>>18261729
I love Yui

[Anonymous No.18261985]

>>18254940
>Sounds exactly like what I described as personal meaning and purpose. It is not logical or rational, not by any universal metric, but it gives you reason to live and direction to living. You're just describing another individual coping mechanism to me.

BASED

[Anonymous No.18261998]

>>18261300
I used to not care about anything to

The trick is to stop fapping, start working out, and from there do whatever ya please

[Anonymous No.18262030]

>>18261998
I already work out. Why stop jacking off if it's not too frequent? The buildup of sexual frustration is annoying.

[Anonymous No.18262051]

>>18261998
This is a good start for having a good life.

Maybe also change your diet and/or start intermittent fasting.

[Anonymous No.18262066]

>>18262030
Start fucking prostitutes.

The guys over at /gif/ have started an escort general, maybe check it out and read some other Anons experiences.

[Anonymous No.18262075]

>>18262066
I can't afford to fuck hookers regularly, why is it so important to not masturbate at all? I do it like once every other day, I thought that was fine.

[Anonymous No.18262094]

>>18253409
All Things Are Possible by Lev Shestov

[Anonymous No.18262104]

>>18262075
Because you give your brain dopamine that you didn't "earn".

The release of hormones when you Jack of is some of the best stuff your buddy can produce on its own. Normally you would have to invest effort into courting a female and earn this release, but you jacking off is like taking an extreme shortcut.

Using hookers keeps it transactional, and you still have to socialize to get off. Which in turn will make you more social or won't turn you into an anti-social basement dweller, like jerking off does.

[Anonymous No.18262143]

>>18262104
Problem with hookers is if you get in a relationship later you can never tell the girl

[Anonymous No.18262183]

>>18256445
Fucking Stupid Piece Of Shit! I tell you one time, THIS WORLD IS MADE TO SUFFER! YOU CANT HIDE FROM IT! Just live by gods laws, do what you have to and you will be blessed. https://www.amazon.com/Legends-Phoenix-Tales-Forgotten-Past/dp/1481776754?ie=UTF8&keywords=legends%20of%20the%20phoenix&qid=1459731989&ref_=sr_1_11&sr=8-11
https://youtu.be/S3FOd56LQ3A

[Anonymous No.18262204]

>>18262143
Nah, you can stop fucking hookers, because if you have a girl you can fuck her instead.

You are making it harder than it has to be Anon.

[Anonymous No.18262208]

>>18262204
I know you can stop, it's just not something you can ever mention. That plus the price is the problem for me, otherwise I'd do it

[Anonymous No.18262212]

>>18262183
>Fucking Stupid Piece Of Shit! I tell you one time, THIS WORLD IS MADE TO SUFFER! YOU CANT HIDE FROM IT! Just live by gods laws, do what you have to and you will be blessed.

[Anonymous No.18262451]

>>18262208
Increase your earning to satisfy your needs.

Just get some money any way possible.

People who say "money doesn't make you happy" never had no money at all. Don't get me wrong, having money won't make you happy, but not having money will definitely make you unhappy.

If you wanna fuck, earn the money/power to fuck. At some point you will lose the interest in such short term dopamine highs. Gautama also started as the son of the King and had a harem of beautiful women at his disposal. Siddhartha hat his stay with Kamela.

I think everyone should indulge in some of lives pleasures before they turn to asceticism, because it is pretty meaningless to renounce something you never had/earned. It seems pretty bitter for me that most religions condemn certain behavior to ultimate damnation. It's like the Kid that had problems controlling themselves and never drank a beer or smoked a joint and therefor these things were only for "stupid" or "inferior" people.

[Anonymous No.18262611]

>>18262451
>At some point you will lose the interest in such short term dopamine highs
You mean sex drive diminishes substantially as a result?
>turn to asceticism
I never really wanted to turn to asceticism, it's not a life that appeals to me. I agree with what you say about bitterness.

[Anonymous No.18262861]

>>18262611
>You mean sex drive diminishes substantially as a result?
The bad affects will diminish. You won't feel the need through sexual validation, but the rather see the intimacy in the unification with a other person.

I just feel that through a lot of sex my perspective has shifted. Tho I only got enabled to do this through a lot of lifting and fasting.

[Anonymous No.18262977]

>>18262861
>see the intimacy
There's very little intimacy in prostitution.
I don't think the shift in perspective you describe can be reached with it (I assume you had sex with normal women and not prostitutes)

[Anonymous No.18262988]

Can books really change an inner disposition?

[Anonymous No.18263073]

>>18261729
Chthonic in English refers specifically to the subterranean deities in the Greek context, or spiritual realm of the dead in wider contexts.

[Anonymous No.18263186]

>>18261300
>>18262075
>>18262183
>What is best of all is beyond your reach forever: not to be born, not to be, to be nothing. >But the second best for you—is quickly to die.

[Anonymous No.18263434]

>>18253409
george bernard shaw - esp. Major Barbara, Back To Methuselah
the fountainhead/atlas shrugged
colin wilson
p.g. wodehouse
neville goddard
new thought writers: troward, atkinson, marsden, scovell
emerson
chesterton
verne and dumas
seneca - letters to lucilius
carlyle - sartor resartus

[Anonymous No.18263540]

I've come to a point where I just want to escape. I had to leave a store today because there was fast paced music on and I couldn't bear it. I have a family gathering tomorrow and I'm considering an elaborate lie to be absent. The more I try to desensitize myself by being in the context the worse it gets. The more I try to talk to people the worse it gets. The more I experience the real world the worse it gets, and this simulacrum has become just another reflection of the same environment. It all feels so absurd. I'm healthy looking, I can reason decently, I have some skills, overall I'm not a social cripple or anything but I am to be considered a failure while I see people who can't speak proper, whose fat ass crack is showing while they walk, who have no skills worth a shit, those are successful people, why? Because they are willing to literally waste hours every day doing stupid shit that the world would be better without. Everyone acts like a crook, if you deviate in opinions about anything you're a bad person and you're cut off, zero exchange only shittests to prove that you have read the program. I don't wanna live here. I had a dream and it's impossible to realize. I will never get what I want. There's no point just going on to serve this stupid system.

[Anonymous No.18263596]

>>18263540
My dream is to live in a trailer in some backwater town and go fishing every day

[Anonymous No.18263613]

Is there anything more pathetic than avatarfagging as a literal retarded frog

[Anonymous No.18263639]

>>18263613
>why yes I am a retarded frog, how could you tell?

[Anonymous No.18263648]

>>18263540
You have yet to see how vast and thorough the rot has eaten at the souls of those around you. Do not inspect it closely but get an eagle eye view and headcount on your way out. You know that buttcrack retard failure blunted soul energy but no one else you know does. If you do know someone then what's holding them back? Money? Surely there's a better job and it's worth the time to try at the bottom of that ladder your hardest and risk your biscuit to stay on that ladder. Once you see the "I shit the bed this morning" aura encroaching on you by a level 15 feminist who hasn't leveled up to know what Antifa is you know that you gotta make a sacrifice and get the fuck outta there. Be austere and efficient and enclosed in the most low risk sure fire return plan. We need a beacon to find each other in the ruins or at least a hold out to endure until our presence is obviated to privy parties. I got fired from a hardware store during COVID scare due to some vague allegations involving eye contact. Women are agressors and only know to economically ruin you with the bullshit they start. Let some retard take that heat but not you. What I didn't see before I got fired was that I had NO ONE to agree how absurd my mistreatment was. I took extreme measures to replace everyone and everything and everywhere. It worked. I left my Godforsaken leftist shithole state. Months later several "friends" got cancer and "Covid" and bankruptcy and carjackings and they responded to it in the same self blaming irrational slow blunted stupid way they blamed me for my misfortune. They were broken all along. There was no solution. I say run and contain it. I held my line for a decade behind enemy lines. I am now in neutral conservacuck territory and the blackpills here are far far lighter than they were in the Californized South West. This is Planet of the Apes, Fren. Find your way, Western Man.

[Anonymous No.18263650]

>>18254077
>occam's razor
uh oh, stopped reading there

if you were really going by that logic alone God would be the simpler answer
t. thiest

[Anonymous No.18263658]

>>18254077
>Occam's razor.
Are you sure you know what this means

[Anonymous No.18263669]

>>18263613
Retsrded frog doesn't care

[Anonymous No.18263672]

>>18263540
neurotic self aggrandizing freak. humble yourself. really, humiliate yourself if you have to. if you just wrote all that and are over like 21, you're a fucking cretin

[Anonymous No.18263691]

>>18263672
why am I self-aggrandizing because I hate a consumer culture made of meaningless things?

[Anonymous No.18263720]

Can you explain Don Quixote to me? I read the first part and found it a fun read but very repetitive and stopped (first few hundred pages and then quit). What's the meaning? Can you elobarate on Fisher King, Don Quixote and Faust stage? Don Quixote stage seems to mean naiveté -> cynicism, Faust seems to me (out of your post only, haven't read Goethe) having realistic expectations of creating a better world

[Anonymous No.18263731]

>>18261709
Frankl's book was written before the massive use of the holocaust by the jews to get power and reparations (Finkelstein's the holocaust industry), it's an OK book but wouldn't recommend. Don't be a poltard, the nazi holocaust was abused by the jews but it happened

[Anonymous No.18263755]

>>18253811
If life is meaningless, how would you define meaning? You have no practical definition of meaning because you stated that meaning does not exist. You're having a self pity episode over a self referential word game. How can you be depressed/touched by something which, by your definition, is not real? That's like being depressed because the invisible pony that you don't observe and that you know isn't there is oppressing you. Nihilism is such an infantile pseudo-intellectual stance.

[Anonymous No.18263761]

>>18263691
Read the Bible

[Anonymous No.18263781]

>>18263761
Truly this is the only answer.
Stop taking other peoples opinions about it and read it like it's a book.
>KJV for most aesthetic reading.

[Anonymous No.18263782]

>>18263720
>>18253683

[Anonymous No.18263868]

>>18263761
>>18263781
Ironically I had started to read it but seeing how you people are incapable of forming a fucking argument beyond insulting people and then spewing "READ THE BIBLE" I have concluded that it won't give me anything of substance. Congrats you have managed to completely alienate me, if this is just a reverse psychology trick you did fantastic you LARPing teenager faggot. I hope tragedy befalls you and your family.

[Anonymous No.18263900]

>>18263720
>Don Quixote stage seems to mean naiveté -> cynicism
wrong. finish it. you have to actually be sub-freezing to make such a sweeping claim while knowing you haven’t made it through the book. you havent neared the conclusion

[Anonymous No.18263905]

>>18263868
Not either of them but you really ought to, for yourself. Don't stop just to spite some anons on an anonymous Mexican Saxophonist chatboard. Many of us are so exasperated because engaging with the Bible redeemed us from similar ruts of crushing nihilism which is the natural modern state of being. I won't insult you but suggest that concluding what you mentioned based on a few passionate anons isn't fair and honest, with yourself even. You aren't even letting yourself experience it first-hand and coming to your own conclusion. Don't give in, man.

[Anonymous No.18263922]

>>18263905
>based on a few passionate anons
passionate about what? LARPing on the internet?

[Anonymous No.18263968]

>>18263900
I know I might be wrong as I read maybe 400 pages when I was 19, which is 5 years ago. I now read a wikipedia summary. It seems to me to be a critique of ideology and a breaking with tradition.

[Anonymous No.18263997]

>>18263755
>You have no practical definition of meaning because you stated that meaning does not exist
Did you iron out all the wrinkles in your brain? Meaning has a definition, and it does exist in practical use, it's just that none can be prescribed to life and existence, at least reasonably and objectively
>How can you be depressed/touched by something which, by your definition, is not real?
I can still feel sad at the end of a great tragedy, or aroused over some anime tiddies, yet none of those are real. That is our human nature and empathy.
>Nihilism
And that's where you're wrong. Absurdism is the answer desu senpai.

>>18263905
What makes the teachings of the Bible more significant or valid than those of the Quran, Torah, Sutras, or any other religious scripture? I genuinely am curious as to the why and reasoning

[Anonymous No.18264010]

HAahah so entire thread is OP earning himself the misery due to willful decision of ignorance and addiction to self pity.

Ok next thread this is boring...

[Anonymous No.18264015]

>>18263997
You state that life has no meaning. You state that meaning has a definition. Defining meaning happens in life. How does this not imply there is meaning to be found in life? You clearly state it exists at least potentially in life. How would you define the meaning of life? What conditions need to be satisfied for a life to has meaning? What does meaning mean in the context of 'the meaning of life' to you, exactly?

[Anonymous No.18264028]

>>18264015
Ehem... he draws axioms arbitrarily, irrationally and without logic when he want, but when same axioms lead to greater conclusion he breaks with it for self pitance and excuse for being a fuck up.

Sad!

[Anonymous No.18264030]

>>18264028
Exactlly what I was getting at anon, glad we agree.

[Anonymous No.18264108]

>>18264028
Frenposter is not OP. Frenposter is happy and content with the absurdity of life, whereas OP is a self-pitying defeatist basking in his own misery.

Also, read some modern fucking philosophy. These ideas are not novel, nor are the axioms that compromise them arbitrary. Look past theology for a fucking second, and actually try to comprehend the plethora of counter-arguments that are nothing short of established in this day and age.

>>18264015
>You state that life has no meaning. You state that meaning has a definition. Defining meaning happens in life. How does this not imply there is meaning to be found in life?
Senpai if you just wanna believe in some salvation for solace so you don't kill yourself just say so, you don't have to be so contrived and retarded in your reasoning and argumentation to achieve that. I can't even start to address the fallacies in whatever you just regurgitated.
>How would you define the meaning of life?
>What does meaning mean in the context of 'the meaning of life' to you, exactly?
A grand, rational system that guides and ascribes itself to living and existence. A reason for life, and a purpose to it.
>What conditions need to be satisfied for a life to has meaning?
We must either be able to observe or logically conclude such a system with our human reason and knowledge. It must not rely on belief or faith, and be perfectly reasonable within the confines of our human abilities. If these conditions cannot be fulfilled, then whatever conclusion is reached is essentially useless, and not any more true than a simple, baseless, blanket statement.

[Anonymous No.18264273]

>>18264108
What a shit definition of meaning. You just described physics, the universe.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18264315]

>>18253432
I liked the context Kaufmann put into TSZ

>>18260009
He is too weak to even put in the effort.

Did anyone mention Epicurus yet?

[Anonymous No.18264732]

>>18254429
I like this. Isn't creation just the physical manifestation of divine imagination after all?

[Anonymous No.18264739]

>>18253409
Beowulf

[Anonymous No.18264756]

>>18253665
>>18253683
based anon, ty for the effortpost

[Anonymous No.18264771]

>>18254841
>It is the dawning of
>the age of faggots

[Anonymous No.18264869]

You faggos make me sick.

[Anonymous No.18264870]

>>18253665
>It leads to shitty thinking. Pollution is unaddressed because it has been framed as a left issue, even though pollution is a naturally conservative issue. One of the best ways to boost domestic manufacturing would be to charge companies for the externalities of dirty production overseas and the fuel burnt to transport goods across the Pacific. Test levels are plunging each decade and sperm counts are down by half. Water supplies are actually the worst in rural areas since farms use massive amounts of endocrine disruptors. Yet conservative voters are duped into caring about trans "rights" instead of the chemicals making their kids into trannies. Lake Mead will hit its lowest levels in history this month. LA and Vegas will almost certainly be under massive water restrictions this century, sending internal fugees everywhere. Farmers in NorCal will be denied any water this year because there is none to give.
"Issues" like this really don't matter anymore. All that matters is struggle for power. Look how many good ideas and policies Trump had. All wiped away because he couldn't wield or hold power. Sitting around worrying about pollution this or tax rates that is pointless. The issue now is either stopping our current elites from killing us all, or else surviving it. Our world is in the hands of out of control madmen and the issue of who has the steering wheel is all that matters.

[Anonymous No.18264941]

>>18264870
>not being able to watch your favorite orangutan shout in front of a helicopter every day is the same thing as being killed
Maybe get a hobby outside of 4chan.

[Anonymous No.18265089]

>>18264870
>Look how many good ideas and policies Trump had.
lol

[Anonymous No.18265442]

>>18253543
Christianity doesnt help what ills us today, it makes it worse

[Anonymous No.18265462]

Is Beckett a good author to read when you're depressed? Will the utter absurdity make it better?

[Anonymous No.18265470]

>>18263540
>I had to leave a store today because there was fast paced music on and I couldn't bear it.
IKTF. Sensory overload bros unite.

[Anonymous No.18265539]

Read Celine pussy.

[Anonymous No.18265566]

>>18265462
His first novel, Murphy, will. His later stuff, not so much.

[Anonymous No.18265573]

>>18265566
Thanks anon, why's that?

[Anonymous No.18265580]

>>18265573
His first novel is very funny. It has depressive themes but makes a game out of it while still dealing with it somewhat seriously. Whereas most of his later work is pretty grim and only funny in an absurd way. It doesn’t have the same lightness.

[Anonymous No.18265599]

>>18265580
I was reading The End yesterday and found the bleakness fascinating, will start Dante and the Lobster today as well. What's you opinion on Molloy and Malone Dies?

[Anonymous No.18265609]

>>18264010
I'm OP and I made like five posts so far, dumbass. Lean to follow reply chains or go back to reeeddit.

[Anonymous No.18265633]

>>18264108
>OP is a self-pitying defeatist basking in his own misery.
Same as >>18265609 you fucking mouthbreather. By the way, you've been shitting up the thread with your avatarfagging and sophomoric takes and literally not a single one of your posts is interesting or has any substance beyond "dude the absurd lmao, no I won't justify my arbitrary statements or consider other ideas". If you're actually an adult man writing all this shit, you really need to get the fuck over yourself.

[Anonymous No.18265688]

>>18264108
What's wrong with being a defeatist and basking in misery? As per your own ideology, it isn't any more absurd than anything else and is therefore a valid course of action

[Anonymous No.18265717]

What is it with all these faggots and their overtly optimistic or pessimistic worldviews in this thread? Ideally, a man should lie within the middle of both.

Life IS meaningless. There is nothing you can do to escape the reality you live in, and until death, this will be the only reality you get to experience.

That does not mean to mope around and give up. It is your duty as a human to work and to give it a purpose, even if that purpose is futile.

How many times must you see a man lay on the floor moping around in pigshit and filth to realize it is a general reaction in every being to look at such a person and feel a sense of revulsion, a sense of disgust, and contempt. Realize by you acting like a lowlife, aimless and unkempt, others look at you in the same regard.

Be virtuous, be noble, be kind to the people around you, be logical, be smart, care for your body and yourself, avoid conflict, eat healthily, make up for your shortcomings, work hard, push yourself beyond what is expected of you, and be honest.

Yes, all pessimistic and nihilistic beliefs do come from the truth of our nature, death is inevitable and we cannot stop it. And depending on your personal beliefs, it may truly be the end for all eternity. But this is no excuse for you to give up. There is no excuse for laziness or for your ineptitude.

You must realize that you have to work on yourself because you, much like in a play, are judged on your performance. Your body, your mind, your very being is up for judgment by the people that pass by.

Prove them your worth, prove them your intellect, and your aesthetic. You will be surprised how many people will respect a man with such discipline.

>inb4 I'm a fat fuck and I have working out and improving myself. I don't agree with it and I don't want to do it.

Listen, some days I hate working out, I hate eating healthy, and some people don't deserve the patience or time I give them. But I do it anyways because it is the virtuous thing to do. You have no say in this. You must do it.

Remember, you have only one chance at this. ONE. So don't fuck it up. Everyone is watching, and everyone is judging your performance.

Blog post over, thanks for reading.

[Anonymous No.18265728]

>>18254987
I think you are confusing "western countries" with "the USA".

[Anonymous No.18265862]

>>18265728
No

[Anonymous No.18265876]

>>18254476
Still unrefuted.

[Anonymous No.18265882]

>>18265862
But most western countries are in quite a decent shape. Yeah, there are problems, there are challenges as there always are, but generally the western world (if we are ignoring the current pandemic for a second, because that's just a freak event) is the healthiest, safest, most peaceful, best educated, most scientifically advanced, wealthiest, and freeest epoch in human history.

[Anonymous No.18265887]

>>18265882
Do you live in Luxembourg or some shit? I don't get how you could be so oblivious

[Anonymous No.18265892]

>>18265887
No, I'm living in Germany. It's nice.

[Anonymous No.18265899]

>>18265717
Your entire argument is based on the assumption that there is inherent value in "proving your worth" even though you admitted that it was all meaningless.

[Anonymous No.18265914]

>>18265717
>Be virtuous, be noble, be kind to the people around you, be logical, be smart, care for your body and yourself, avoid conflict, eat healthily, make up for your shortcomings, work hard, push yourself beyond what is expected of you, and be honest.
>Yes, all pessimistic and nihilistic beliefs do come from the truth of our nature, death is inevitable and we cannot stop it. And depending on your personal beliefs, it may truly be the end for all eternity. But this is no excuse for you to give up. There is no excuse for laziness or for your ineptitude.
Why? If life has no meaning outside our largely irrational doing, why should I care about those values? Values that we made up and are subjective to the people who hold them in regard.
>You must realize that you have to work on yourself because you, much like in a play, are judged on your performance. Your body, your mind, your very being is up for judgment by the people that pass by.
You're implying you and the average person on 4chan is worth noticing. It sounds like you're just trying to making excuses to try and make modern life a zero sum game or a video game to be min/maxed least someone calls you a noob.

[Anonymous No.18266023]

>>18253665
>supposedly read Nietzsche
>still peddles the Petersonite self-help nonsense of 'meaning'
have you read him after Jung or something?

[Anonymous No.18266054]

Play the Yakuza games, then be like Kiryu

[Anonymous No.18266069]

>>18265899
>>18265914
(1/2)Yes it is meaningless, all of it is. But what of it? I am going to die, yet I still work out to gain the aesthetics I want, even though I will still decompose into nothing more than dust and ash. So why do it? For yourself and the societal expectations of others. To bring honor and virtue to yourself, as that is what you should strive for.

You are dying. Why eat? Your body tells you of course! So what do you eat? A burger, fried chicken, maybe a pulled-pork sandwich? How about some Chinese food? Perhaps you fancy a bowl of pasta? And why not? You were condemned to death at birth, right? What you eat now, or a year from now is pointless when you are gone. So eat what you want! Consume and indulge in gluttony. It's all pointless anyways! You're right. But in doing so, you become fat and disgusting, proving how much you let yourself go in pursuit of something as arbitrary as "taste". How can someone honor a man who doesn't have the discipline to make his own meals or even to reject the food surrounding him?
>why should I care about those values? Values that we made up and are subjective to the people who hold them in regard.
I highly doubt you can hate a man who is virtuous and patient amongst his people. Someone who listens and shows kindness, logic, and intellect is hard to hate, especially if he takes into consideration the emotions of people around him.

Furthermore, these are not subjective. The values of a virtuous man have been written down even from the time Rome and the Greeks were still around. I find it incredibly hard to believe that you could find any source of rational literature or human that genuinely and logically believes that the optimum archetype of a virtuous man is that of incompetence and stupidity.

>You're implying you and the average person on 4chan is worth noticing.
You are to the people around you. Your co-workers, friends, family, your lover, these are the people that notice you. These are the people that judge you.

But let us move away from that as I'm sure what you are alluding to me is fame. In which you are right. You will never be a world-renowned actor, artist, filmmaker, etc. You will die unknown. And I could even make the argument that even they die unknown. My favorite artist is David Bowie, but he is long since dead. How many times do you hear of him on the news, tv, or gossip magazine? None. It is as if he was erased from existence. Does his life is pointless? Well, he lives on in the music and memories of people, but even they will die, and soon his legacy will be forgotten completely in time.

But what of it? Should your fear of being unknown stop you from achieving greatness? Should it stop you from being kind? From living? From loving? From being virtuous? From being honorable? Of course not. You still live in the minds of people around you. You are an actor surrounded by judges. So act well.

[Anonymous No.18266203]

>>18265914
>>18265899
(2/2)
>it sounds like you're just trying to making excuses
It's quite funny you mention this, I was going to say the same thing about you.
Your excuse for your worthlessness and incompetence is the pointlessness and meaninglessness of life.

So kill yourself. Commit suicide. After all, it is the only escape from such a futile existence.

And I don't mean to sound like in taunting you or even being remotely joking. I'm serious, do it. Ah, but I forgot, you won't. Why is that? I know why. Because you are a coward. Too lazy to live and take action but too scared to die. So you lash out your anger for an unfulfilled life onto others. You get mad at God, you get mad at the world, perhaps you blame society for not handing life to you on a platter. You're angry that you aren't rich, you aren't beautiful, that things aren't going to plan, or that nothing is really going your way.

It's quite common anon, don't worry. I've met a lot of people like that. They accept their cowardice and continue on. Irrational and upset all the time. So much so, that even the slightest thing angers them.

So I once again say, to you, and to every other anon that refuses to work on themselves, COMMIT SUICIDE.

You cannot and will not live a fulfilling life if you don't improve, strive for virtue, or strive to be a good man. Nobody wants to be with such a person. And there is no point in prolonging your pain. So for once in your life, take action. Do it!

But alas, we are met with a dilemma. Your cowardice. Your incompetence and frustration won't let you. But this is a good thing! Somehow your cowardice still holds you onto life, as much as you seem to despise it. This means subconsciously, you do want things to change. Because if you didn't, then you would have already been done before reading this.

You can improve, you can do better. You just need to take the first steps yourself. I'm not going to do it for you. Your family, friends, etc, they aren't going to help you. This is your battle. This is the war you fight daily. And you must overcome it to become virtuous. To become noble and honorable among your peers. Only then can you be happy in a pointless life.
>make modern life a zero sum game or a video game to be min/maxed least someone calls you a noob.
Sure, if you would like to think of it like that, then fine! What of it? That is my purpose, even if life is pointless. I recognize it, and take action on my part. I act like a man, I act on logic.

I can look at death and accept it, but still say "not yet".

You look at death and are too coward to even commit suicide with your ideology of nihilism and pessimism. You do not accept death, much less smile back and welcome it when your time comes.

You still have time anon. All of you do. Act on logic, be a virtuous man, be kind, be smart.

If there is any rejection of this notion, and your response is not suicide, then you accept your laziness. And there should be no pitty for a man like that.

[Anonymous No.18266251]

>>18265914
(2/2)
>it sounds like you're just trying to making excuses
It's quite funny you mention this, I was going to say the same thing about you.
Your excuse for your worthlessness and incompetence is the pointlessness and meaninglessness of life.

So kill yourself. Commit suicide. After all, it is the only escape from such a futile existence.

And I don't mean to sound like in taunting you or even being remotely joking. I'm serious, do it. Ah, but I forgot, you won't. Why is that? I know why. Because you are a coward. Too lazy to live and take action but too scared to die. So you lash out your anger for an unfulfilled life onto others. You get mad at God, you get mad at the world, perhaps you blame society for not handing life to you on a platter. You're angry that you aren't rich, you aren't beautiful, that things aren't going to plan, or that nothing is really going your way.

It's quite common anon, don't worry. I've met a lot of people like that. They accept their cowardice and continue on. Irrational and upset all the time. So much so, that even the slightest thing angers them.

So I once again say, to you, and to every other anon that refuses to work on themselves, COMMIT SUICIDE.

You cannot and will not live a fulfilling life if you don't improve, strive for virtue, or strive to be a good man. Nobody wants to be with such a person. And there is no point in prolonging your pain. So for once in your life, take action. Do it!

But alas, we are met with a dilemma. Your cowardice. Your incompetence and frustration won't let you. But this is a good thing! Somehow your cowardice still holds you onto life, as much as you seem to despise it. This means subconsciously, you do want things to change. Because if you didn't, then you would have already been done before reading this.

You can improve, you can do better. You just need to take the first steps yourself. I'm not going to do it for you. Your family, friends, etc, they aren't going to help you. This is your battle. This is the war you fight daily. And you must overcome it to become virtuous. To become noble and honorable among your peers. Only then can you be happy in a pointless life.
>make modern life a zero sum game or a video game to be min/maxed least someone calls you a noob.
Sure, if you would like to think of it like that, then fine! What of it? That is my purpose, even if life is pointless. I recognize it, and take action on my part. I act like a man, I act on logic.

I can look at my own mortality and accept it, but still say "not yet".

You look at death and are too coward to even commit suicide with your ideology of nihilism and pessimism. You do not accept death, much less accept your own mortality when your time comes.

You still have time anon. All of you do. Act on logic, be a virtuous man, be kind, be smart.

If there is any rejection of this notion, and your response is not suicide, then you accept your laziness. And there should is no respect for a man like that

[Anonymous No.18266257]

>>18265892
You're slowly turning into France. I've been to Cologne and there were more non-Germans than Germans on the streets

[Anonymous No.18266267]

>>18266257
Oh, so that's your issue.
No, we are not turning into France. Yeah, big cities have a lot of foreigners. Doesn't really change any of the points I made here: >>18265882

>Oh no I saw a nigger!
Get a grip, faggot.

[Anonymous No.18266268]

>>18266251
>coward
>you accept your laziness
Yes.
People like you make me laugh. You claim everything is meaningless but you seethe endlessly at those who go "alright then, I'll just take it easy".
No amount of rationalizing will change the fact that you're just imposing your arbitrary beliefs on others.
Yes, I'm lazy, and worthless, and cowardly. What of it? I keep living because I have no reason to kill myself, and because even though life is shit, the amount of pain it causes me is not high enough to warrant abandoning the amount of pleasure or satisfaction I get out of it, so far.
You're coping hard, no matter how smug and condescending you pretend to be.

[Anonymous No.18266282]

>>18266267
Are you retarded? Do you live in some secluded 99% white mountain village, or are you one of those non-Germans yourself?
>Doesn't really change any of the points I made here: >>18265882
Yes it does, look at France. The more muslims you invite, the less stable your country grows. Do you think it will stay confined to the big cities when you keep bringing in "refugees" to relieve you of your guilt?
In 50 years your country will be muslim, enjoy it while you can, faggot.

[Anonymous No.18266294]

>>18266268
>seethe endlessly at those who go "alright then, I'll just take it easy".
Am I seething? Do you take rebuttals to your points as an attack?

What is taking it easy? Being lazy and not enjoying life? Constanlty letting yourself down and being frustrated at your limitations?
>I keep living because I have no reason to kill myself, and because even though life is shit, the amount of pain it causes me is not high enough to warrant abandoning the amount of pleasure or satisfaction I get out of it, so far.
So you do prove my point. Your cowardice keeps you alive and healthy. At least your logic hasn't deranged into a vegitative state. Good for you. Your instinct still function to keep you alive. Use that to improve yourself rather than to live writhering in dissatisfaction.
>You're coping hard
Expand on this. What am I coping with?

[Anonymous No.18266297]

>>18266282
>In 50 years your country will be muslim
Hopefully less, I can't stand women being free

[Anonymous No.18266307]

>>18266297
Just move to an Arabic country, you can have it right now

[Anonymous No.18266330]

>>18266282
>Do you live in some secluded 99% white mountain village, or are you one of those non-Germans yourself?
I live in Bonn, actually, but I was born in one of those secluded 99% white mountain villages. A nigger being around me doesn't change the living standards are high and I am generally doing well.

>The more muslims you invite, the less stable your country grows.
France has never been particularly stable. Even then, I would much rather live in modern France than in the utter majority of countries that ever existed throughout history.

>In 50 years your country will be muslim, enjoy it while you can, faggot.
Adaptive birthrates, nigger. Did we turn into a majority turk, a majority russian or a majority italian nation after those migration waves? No. Oh no a 1% increase of muslims in a country that is 5% muslims, it's the end of the world! I'm gonna see niggers in the street! This is the end of the world!

[Anonymous No.18266370]

>>18266294
They're not my points, I'm not the guy you're replying to.
>not enjoying life
Speak for yourself. You assume that anyone who doesn't follow your own dogma can't enjoy life, which is retarded.
>letting yourself down abd being frustrated
Sounds like literal projection. If you give up, you're not frustrated.
>Use that to improve yourself
No lol
>What am I coping with
Meaninglessness. Everything in your posts looks like desperate wiggling to me. You're panicking and need to grab on to something, whereas I just relax.

[Anonymous No.18266377]

>>18266330
>I live in Bonn, actually, but I was born in one of those secluded 99% white mountain villages. A nigger being around me doesn't change the living standards are high and I am generally doing well.
One nigger doesn't no, because then the nigger will most likely adapt and/or assimilate. If they come in droves they either balkanize or take over, especially if you Krauts keep being such pussies like yourself.
>Even then, I would much rather live in modern France than in the utter majority of countries that ever existed throughout history.
Retarded take but you do you. Materialism is a mental illness.
>Adaptive birthrates, nigger. Did we turn into a majority turk, a majority russian or a majority italian nation after those migration waves? No. Oh no a 1% increase of muslims in a country that is 5% muslims, it's the end of the world! I'm gonna see niggers in the street! This is the end of the world!
You disingenuous faggot. Do you understand that
1) more and more are being brought in
2) they are having thrice as many children as native Germs
3) they are mixing with Germs creating muslim mutts and converting you.
You're either very naive or very disingenuous.

[Anonymous No.18266380]

>>18266330
I am an actual frenchman and you're full of shit.

[Anonymous No.18266389]

>>18266330
>>18266377
To add, at this moment 1/3 of German children in kindergarten are non-German. That wasn't the case 50 years ago. What do you think this will look like in 50 years?

[Anonymous No.18266407]

>>18266330
40% of kids below 5 had an migration background in 2019 in germany. That statistic doesnt include kids of second-generation immigrants. Your living standards may be high right now but are inversely correlated with the amount of browns/blacks around you, that number is inevitably bound to increase due to current demographic trends and migration patterns.

[Anonymous No.18266429]

>>18266377
>they are having thrice as many children as native Germs
First generation immigrants, yes. Second generation immigrants and third generation immigrants have drastically less children though, as they adapt to an environment where there well being is not determined by how many children you shat out before you are old.

>they are mixing with Germs creating muslim mutts and converting you.
If they are mixing with Germans, their children are German.

[Anonymous No.18266488]

>>18266429
>First generation immigrants, yes. Second generation immigrants and third generation immigrants have drastically less children though
First this is deceiving since 2nd and 3rd gen muslims still have more children than native Germs. Second, if you keep importing millions of 1st gens that doesn't really matter.
>If they are mixing with Germans, their children are German.
Of course not, they are half-Germans. German is not just a nationality, it's also an ethnicity. Are you mixed yourself?
You didn't address >>18266389

[Anonymous No.18266520]

>>18266370
>You assume that anyone who doesn't follow your own dogma can't enjoy life, which is retarded.
On the dogma I was speaking of was a reply to the question why should we follow it. In which you should to get people to respect you. Even if you don't agree with them, you follow them subconsciously anyways to a certain degree. And you're right, you don't need to follow this dogma to be happy. But surely you understand a common fear for humans is being hated. And it's hard to be happy if the people around you dislike you.
>Sounds like literal projection. If you give up, you're not frustrated.
Perhaps you didn't know, but giving up commonly comes from frustration. What happens when you get work that is too hard? You get frustrated and give up. What happens when everyone around you is excelling and you get left behind? You feel hopeless and give up, which leads to frustration and envy. There are many examples of giving up leading to frustration. And most people that give up don't feel good about it. It's common that not meeting expectations would lead to negativity.
>No lol
Then stop complaining about your pointlessness if you have truly accepted it.
>Meaninglessness. Everything in your posts looks like desperate wiggling to me.
Perhaps you did not know, but pointlessness and meaning are quite different. Life is pointless, but you work and, let's say Starbucks, what is the meaning of your life to this point? To work at Starbucks. Let us say you are weak, and you want to become a bodybuilder. What is the meaning up until now? To become strong. The basic instinct of an ape is to survive. What is the meaning of an ape's life until now? To survive.

You can accept pointlessness, that does not mean you don't have to give it a meaning.
>Everything in your posts looks like desperate wiggling to me.
How so? I accept my mortality and understand my shortcomings as a human being. But I do not see this as an excuse to be lazy. Is taking action wiggling? If so what action is permissible in your eyes? What isn't?
>You're panicking
In what sense?
>need to grab on to something
Sure? I grab onto the idea of virtue and honor because that is the action I take in a pointless world. I could take the action of the fool. Is that "grabbing onto something"? What about taking action to get a higher paying job, or drawing? Is that "grabbing onto something"? And even if so, what of it?
>whereas I just relax.
In what sense are you relaxing? Surely you would agree that the incessant whining of the pointlessness of life isn't "relaxing"

[Anonymous No.18266525]

>>18266488
>Second, if you keep importing millions of 1st gens that doesn't really matter.
Well, good thing we do not keep importing millions of 1st gens.
And no, 3rd gen immigrants have about the same amount of children as native Germans.

>Are you mixed yourself?
Almost all of my grampas, great grampas, and great great grampas are called either Horst or Gerd. I think I had a great grandfather who was French, if that is important to you, but I consider myself entirely German. I did not adress that post because it insists that people who have a German parent and were born in Germany are not German, which is just ridiculous beause according to that logic I am French due to that one Frenchie who snuck into the family tree. "Having a migration background" does not mean "is not German".
If you disagree, you disagree, that is fine. We just don't have much common ground to talk to one another then.

>German is not just a nationality, it's also an ethnicity.
Germany is not an ethno state, so it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.18266550]

>>18266520
>it's hard to be happy if the people around you dislike you.
You just need to not have contact with many people. If you're not comfortable with solitude then you're shit out of luck.
And by the way, most people won't hate you just because you don't follow the dogma you're talking about. People are much more forgiving of mediocrity than you claim.
>giving up commonly comes from frustration
Seeing how difficult it would be to achieve something and choose to not try doesn't qualify as frustration in my book.
>everyone around you is excelling
This doesn't happen.
>You feel hopeless and give up, which leads to frustration and envy
I'm not envious of others. Even thought my life is, by most people's standards, worse than average, I wouldn't trade it for someone else's.
>stop complaining
I can do what I want. The people on here who whine about others whining just make me want to complain more.
>you don't have to give it a meaning
That's right, I don't. You're arguing about the semantics of meaning and it really doesn't matter.
>Is taking action wiggling?
Your tone just comes off as desperate to achieve something, anything, just so you don't feel worthless. It's not about actions being permissible, people do what they want, I'm just pointing out the fact that the way you seek to convince others of the legitimacy of your own choices is strange.
>what of it?
Nothing, it's just more stressful than not grabbing onto anything.
>In what sense are you relaxing?
By letting things wash over me slothfully instead of "revolting" or "striving" or whatever the fuck. I don't know if there's an afterlife, but if there is one, I don't believe it would be conditioned on your actions in life. And if it is, then I want no part in it, because it's guaranteed to be as shitty as life.
As such, I've never felt a compulsion to achieve anything in particular or to strive towards anything specific. Even as a kid life felt like a waiting room to me, just something to wait out.

[Anonymous No.18266553]

>>18266525
>Well, good thing we do not keep importing millions of 1st gens.
I'm sorry but that's not true. You do. Even during these times, which is baffling.
>And no, 3rd gen immigrants have about the same amount of children as native Germans.
Nope, not true either. They have less children than 1st gen but more than native Germans. On average of course.
>Almost all of my grampas, great grampas, and great great grampas are called either Horst or Gerd.
What would they think of the current state of your country?
>I did not adress that post because it insists that people who have a German parent and were born in Germany are not German, which is just ridiculous beause according to that logic I am French due to that one Frenchie who snuck into the family tree.
No, that's again disingenuous. Like I said, German is not only a nationality but also an ethnicity. That has always been in flux and if you have distant ancestry somewhere else that is not the majority, you could be considered German, especially if you identify as German.
> "Having a migration background" does not mean "is not German".
But there are different levels to having a migration background. You can be a German with a migration background, but most are not - firstly because of ethnicity, secondly because of culture/identity. Islam is not a German religion, therefore muslims cannot be Germans in that sense.
>If you disagree, you disagree, that is fine. We just don't have much common ground to talk to one another then.
Funny how you view me (a European neighbour) that way because I have a different opinion, but are ready to defend people who look and act nothing like you and who want to turn your country into something different. Stockholm syndrome is a weird thing.
>Germany is not an ethno state, so it doesn't matter.
But it should matter. You can not be an ethno state and still have ethnic identity. If you continue on this path, in 50 years you will be a muslim country, and in 150 years the German ethnicity will be in a similar situation to that of the Native Americans.
Why do you hate your own ethnicity and culture so? Was the denazification propaganda so strong in your country? Perhaps Adi was right in some regard eh.

[Anonymous No.18266598]

>>18266553
>a European neighbour
Not him but historically "European neighbors" hated each other just as much as reasonable Europeans now hate immigrants

[Anonymous No.18266639]

>>18266553
>What would they think of the current state of your country?
Olli thinks stuff's better now than it was in his youth. (We call him Olli because his first-born son is also named Gerd, who we call Kelli.) I actually know quite a few old people who took up a refugee in their house after their children moved out. I don't think your appeal to "what will the old people think?" is really going anywhere.

>No, that's again disingenuous.
It is not. It is what I believe. If you do not believe that, that is fine. But don't call me disingenuous for not believing the same thing as you do.

>Islam is not a German religion
I actually agree on that one. There is a cultural divide, and there are muslims who have believes that do not mash with German values. And that is a challenge our society faces, and it needs to be adressed. The solution however is not to declare people who were born here and grew up here to not be German. (It should be noted that there are also muslims whose believes do mash with German values, and it is not as simple as saying "muslim bad german good".)

>Funny how you view me (a European neighbour) that way because I have a different opinion
I view you that way because we have talked to one another for a bit and it turns out our starting position seems to be different and we can't quite reach common ground. It doesn't matter if you're from Timbuktu or if you crawled out of the same vagina as I did. If we can't reach common ground we can't reach common ground.
I have talked to many muslims with whom I share values. I have also talked to muslims with whom I do not share certain values. But hell, I have talked to Germans with whom I don't share certain values.

>You can not be an ethno state and still have ethnic identity.
Then don't. Just don't give a shit about ethnic identity. Cultural identity is what matters.

>Why do you hate your own culture so?
I love (most of my) my culture, I spend a great deal studying it. I could do without karneval though. German literature is the best in the world. Wether the faggots who don't read that literature anyway are native Germans or not doesn't matter to me.

>in 150 years the German ethnicity will be in a similar situation to that of the Native Americans
That's just blatant fearmongering. I severely doubt there will be a trail of tears, a genocide against Germans, or a series of epidemics against which the Germans have no antibodies.

>>18266598
Yeah, but they mostly hated each other over narratives they told themselves.

[Anonymous No.18266701]

>>18266550
>You just need to not have contact with many people. If you're not comfortable with solitude then you're shit out of luck.
Come on now, you know damn well it's proven that people that live in solitude are generally more upset with their life.
>And by the way, most people won't hate you just because you don't follow the dogma you're talking about.
What dogma? Of being kind and honest? Of virtue? Most people don't like being around others they find annoying or disagreeable.
>Seeing how difficult it would be to achieve something and choose to not try doesn't qualify as frustration in my book.
It's still leads to frustration. Any basic course you could have taken during your years in university would have told you that.
>The people on here who whine about others whining just make me want to complain more.
So you admit your discontent and relaying your negativity on others? Come on now, what are you proving with this?
>desperate to achieve something, anything
You should achieve something. You even achieve yourself. Assuming you have a job, you have achieved a job. You read. You achieved the completion of a book. You can make goals for yourself to want more or less. Is that wrong?
>I'm just pointing out the fact that the way you seek to convince others of the legitimacy of your own choices is strange.
The conversation is against your laziness. You go against me. Not only trying to convince others to that your views on pointlessness are correct, but morally justifiable as well. Thus, are you then desperate and strange?

Of course not. You are merely voicing your views as am I. We are playing a game of ping-pong where we hit the ball back and forth and there is no winner. Nothing was gained and nothing was lost. Unfortunately, that's how most discussions online go.
>it's just more stressful than not grabbing onto anything.
Than to look back at life in regret? Assuming you aren't dying anytime soon, that's a lot of time doing nothing.
>By letting things wash over me slothfully instead of "revolting" or "striving" or whatever the fuck.
That isn't relaxing, that's just being lazy. Relaxing would bring happiness. A walk on the beach is relaxing, a drive during sunset on a clifside is relaxing, a tender moment with your partner is relaxing. Giving up on life is not, and at most, it could be considered melancholic.
>As such, I've never felt a compulsion to achieve anything in particular or to strive towards anything specific. Even as a kid life felt like a waiting room to me, just something to wait out.
Calm down Meursault, perhaps you should give things a try? Get out of your comfort zone?

[Anonymous No.18266721]

>>18265882
Sure life is more comfy in Western European countries. You have a higher standard of living, top-tier social services, low crime, less vitriol among your populace/politicians, and civility that makes it easy to avoid the blackpill if you only focus on your own corner of the world. Plus you haven't had to deal with niggers making a joke out of your country and shaping your history over 200 years. But look at how the replacement of your people, anti-white propaganda, and globohomo agenda the Jews planted accelerated from barely noticeable to impossible to ignore within just a decade. European empathy made it too vulnerable to fight back when it had a chance, Americans would be too reactionary to bow down and accept the subhuman floods entering Germany, Sweden, and France without even getting a single vote, you abused the luxury of comfort. America never had an ethnic identity built over centuries or any proper "culture" that united us. WASPs lost their roots to anything other than making a buck. But remember - when America sneezes, the world catches a cold. It'll be a tough awakening for you guys. Le Pen, Farage, and Germany's right wing party are all too cucked to change anything. Americans have been cognizant of this even if we've failed to stop it. We'll either keep trying until we push back or (more likely) there's a collapse, you haven't even started your battle

[Anonymous No.18266751]

>>18266701
>people that live in solitude are generally more upset with their life.
Being around others for extended periods of time makes me much more upset.
>Of being kind and honest
I don't need to expend much effort to come off as agreeable and pleasant to other people. It's just not something I center my life around. Being pleasant makes things more convenient, I just leave it at that.
>Any basic course you could have taken
So your point is that since I experience frustration, I should try harder instead of giving up? I don't see how that follows. When I was faced with a problem in university, I did the bare minimum to solve it with a passing grade and this was the best course of action. More effort would've been tedious, less effort would've meant failure.
Most frustration you experience in life is inconsequential and not worth worrying about.
>you admit your discontent
Anyone who doesn't admit their discontent with life is being delusional or dishonest.
I'm saying this because I'm tired of proselytes, just because you chose to live your life in a certain way doesn't give you any authority on anything.
>You should achieve something
I have no reason to put in effort. Your examples are disingenuous, when we speak of achievements we usually refer to things that require a lot of effort and are expected to yield a high reward. Effortless achievements like reading don't fit that definition.
>to look back at life in regret?
Maybe I won't have any regrets. If I do, they'll be gone when I die. So far, I've fucked up a lot of things, but my regrets are comparatively very manageable, if not almost nonexistent.
>that's just being lazy
Yes, I did use the term slothfully. For me laziness is relaxing. I go for walks and whatnot, these are indeed relaxing things, and they require no effort.
>Giving up on life is not
It is conducive to relaxation.
>could be considered melancholic
Sure, so what?
>Calm down Meursault
I'm not exaggerating. I can't relate to people who are driven to achieve things. There is nothing in the world that I find appealing enough to dedicate myself to its pursuit. Whatever I do in life comes to me effortlessly, or with so little effort that I don't mind. The rest doesn't seem worth it.
>you should give things a try? Get out of your comfort zone?
I did that a few times, it was underwhelming. You'll assume I'm lying, though.

[Anonymous No.18266802]

>>18266751
>Being around others for extended periods of time makes me much more upset.
Someone who is like this usually means they aren't properly socialized. It takes time.
>I don't need to expend much effort to come off as agreeable and pleasant to other people.
Perhaps to be nothing more than acquaintance, but become friends with others, you should.
>So your point is that since I experience frustration, I should try harder instead of giving up? I don't see how that follows.
Surely you do. You want something, you go and get it, if you don't you try again. It's not a complicated concept.
>I did the bare minimum
And you get the bare minimum back. You have hindered yourself.
>I'm saying this because I'm tired of proselytes, just because you chose to live your life in a certain way doesn't give you any authority on anything.
Of course it does. You claim your discontent and then justify it with happiness in the next. Either you are being hypocritical or inconsistent.
>achievements we usually refer to things that require a lot of effort and are expected to yield a high reward.
Not all achievements must be of high value. Many are content with the little things they do in life.
>Maybe I won't have any regrets. If I do, they'll be gone when I die.
Again with the idealition of death. If you don't plan on committing suicide, do not talk about it. It only shows your cowardice on the topic.
>For me laziness is relaxing
You alter the definitions to fit your narrative then?
>I go for walks and whatnot, these are indeed relaxing things, and they require no effort.
They do. You exert force upon the world and take initiative to complete a goal. Once you finished, you have achieved something.
>Sure, so what?
Melancholy isn't used for relaxation, if anything you just agreed with me.
>I can't relate to people who are driven to achieve things.
That is for your laziness and inability to open up. In which I find quite funny, as in the book, "How to Read a Book" by Mortimer J. Adler, he critiques people's inability to just open themselves up to a new idea, and just shun out anything they personally don't agree with because they don't want to try.
>I did that a few times, it was underwhelming.
Like what? A date? A trip to a therapist? A change in mindset?

[Anonymous No.18266832]

>>18266802
>It takes time
>to become friends with others
You're still operating under the assumption that the goal you have in mind is more worthwhile than whatever I have in mind.
The only thing I'm arguing for here is that once you've realized meaninglessness, no course of action is right or wrong. You make choices, deal the consequences, and die. Whether you want to pursue virtue and self-improvement, or whether you want to take it easy and wait for the end, those are equally valid choices.
>you get the bare minimum back
I never sought to get more than that. University was never important to me, I only wanted the piece of paper.
>You claim your discontent and then justify it with happiness
Life is mostly shit, but some parts of it are nice. In order to make it less shit, I would have to do things that I really don't feel like doing; furthermore, the "yield" of these unpleasant things is not worth the effort in my opinion. It's just a simple caculation of opportunity cost.
>Many are content with the little things
Glad we agree on something.
>Again with the idealition of death
It's not ideation, it's a fact. We all die. All my regrets and worries will be gone when I die. I don't want to die yet, but they'll be gone all the same when the time comes. Keep calling me a coward if you want, I don't really mind, I don't share your dichotomous take on things.
>You alter the definitions to fit your narrative
Not really, no. Relaxing things are within the grasp of lazy people just as much as they are in the grasp of hard-working people.
>You exert force upon the world and take initiative
Again with the disingenuous generalizations. Taking a walk does not take effort if you're not a lardass, a vegetable, or extremely mentally ill. It isn't comparable to the "higher achievements" you have in mind when you talk about striving for something in life.
>Melancholy isn't used for relaxation
It's not incompatible with it.
>That is for your laziness and inability to open up.
Yes, I was a lazy, worthless coward since my early childhood, before my environment even started shaping me into anything. That's dumb. The fact is I never felt that need and I still don't feel it. Chalking up anything that offends your worldview to me being dysfunctional is stupid.
>Like what?
I don't know, many things. Going to a party even though I don't like noise or people. Trying out therapy for a relatively long time. Exercising even though I don't care for it. I could've avoided all of those things and nothing of value would have been lost.

[Anonymous No.18266854]

>>18256445
based as fuck anon, you're on the right track and no contrarian could say otherwise.

[Anonymous No.18266948]

>>18263648
I thought about this post yesterday but I didn't reply. I am not sure if I can do this in my position. Things are accelerating more and more and what one would expect to take ten years now takes five, and in five years a similar change will take two. Generally I just think I"m not very compatible with people and of course if I don't want to participate to the infrastructure I'm going to pretty much die. I don't think there's a way I can just move somewhere else and be happy, but maybe this is just fear talking. When I start thinking of all the time I've spent at the margin of society I feel like there's no way back. I can't just start working and fit in, and honestly I don't want to do that. I don't want to just live a life at the edge of a shitty system, I wanted to participate to a healthy one. I dunno. That dream I had and spent so much energy on was all I had that would have made me feel fulfilled, but of course everything is rotten so I am supposed to do something else. I don't want to do something else just to survive and meet a woman who is "OK" with me because she wants to finally "settle" and live this shitty plan B through.

[Anonymous No.18267771]

>>18266553
>Islam is not a German religion
Christianity isn't either.