[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/lit/ - Literature

View post   
File: 66 KB, 688x900, 94E11576-C972-4837-9F36-89BDEF4390C4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
18265926 No.18265926 [Reply] [Original]

What is the most fair, detailed biography on this man?

>> No.18265933

>>18265926
There is none but if you read both Stolfi and Ullrich you get a decently objective view

>> No.18265944

I thought Ian Kershaw's biography was cool. Really massive and a great read. But it's also the only one I've read, so take that for what you will, I don't know how fair it is compared to others

>> No.18266024

>>18265944
Kershaw is not objective nor fair, he's very biased.

>> No.18267445

>>18266024
You cant spell biased without based just saying

>> No.18267488

Mein Kampf

>> No.18267503

>>18266024
So what you’re looking for is a bias that is pro-nazi, pro-war etc.

>> No.18267594

>>18267503
Yes, that is exactly what I'm looking for.
No you stupid cunt, read the words: FAIR AND OBJECTIVE.

>> No.18267610

>>18267594
Better to read a biased biography and know the bias rather than try to find the magical unbiased biography.

>> No.18267751
File: 485 KB, 988x1432, stairs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
18267751

>>18265926
With Hitler to the End
Hitler's Table Talks
Hitler's Revolution
Adolf Hitler - John Toland (I've heard it's fairly unbiased; never read it though)

>> No.18267767

>>18265926
The best thing to do is to read Human Smoke and Hitlers Table Talk and judge for yourself. Otherwise you're just going to be seeing it through the lens of someone else.

>> No.18267780
File: 21 KB, 220x339, 220px-John_Toland,_historian,_1971.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
18267780

>>18267751
>John Toland
Dude looks like a turtle, pass.

>> No.18267937

>>18267610
That can only be taken so far. For instance, if I wrote "FDR was a president whose policies included the disastrous New Deal", that would be biased, but it *does* include factual content. If instead I wrote "FDR was a homosexual, whose intention with the New Deal was to kill all the children", that is not only biased but just fantasy. I don't mind bias of the first kind, but especially with biographies of nazi brass one tends to find things of the latter sort.

>> No.18268677

>>18265926
The Tolland Biography is pretty good.

>> No.18269314

>>18267503
OP asked for fair, Kershaw is far from fair

>> No.18269664
File: 299 KB, 600x900, Degrelle.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
18269664

>>18265926
The Enigma of Hitler.

>> No.18269749

>>18267594
Anyone who is “fair and objective” is going to come to the conclusion that the Holocaust happened.

>> No.18269818

>>18266024
Yeah but who's objective about Hitler. You either hate him or love him. No one's neutral on Hitler

>> No.18269827

>>18267503
it's okay to be biased as long as your heart is in the right place

>> No.18270297

>>18269818
Isn't that strange? Why is there no middle ground?
>>18269749
But in what way did it happen? That's the real question

>> No.18270320

>>18269749
But to what degree, really? I mean, like, hands down, from brother to brother.

>> No.18270349

>>18267503
dialate tranny

>> No.18270421

>>18270297
Tolland is the middle ground.

>> No.18270475

>>18267937
The New Deal was neither a disaster or a success, you retard

>> No.18270547

>>18265926
Shirer’s book isn’t really about Hitler so Much as his regime. I liked it because he was pretty good at getting details about personality and the problem was he novelized history and he hated Nazis so he assigns motives and all this.

However he also did some good research so think it’s with a read.

The Toland one I thought was mostly fair.

The best is Speers works

>> No.18270559

>>18269749
That’s funny you should read rise and fall of the third Reich.

It had lampshades and the Speer slave camps and the exhaust trucks. And then it had a memo from Speer asking the Jews be moved to labour...

>> No.18270657

>>18270475
I didn't make any claims that it was. The factual nature of the statement "FDR was a president whose policies included the disasterous New Deal" is that his policies included the New Deal, not that it was disasterous. The latter is the bias which, of which that sentence was a demonstration. I thought that this was pretty clear.

>> No.18271283

>>18267503
Flunkie

>> No.18271955

>>18270421
was about to type this

>> No.18272026
File: 2.93 MB, 1198x1496, Screen Shot 2021-05-19 at 1.42.29 AM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
18272026

I listened to this audiobook recently, discussing what life was like in Germany at that time, much of it based on letters and diaries, from the 1920's to 1945. it's probably the most balanced book I've read (listened to)
The German War by Nicholas Stargardt
https://youtu.be/_5bpIwtLm-I

>> No.18272032

>>18265926
Hitler's War.

>> No.18272039

>>18267751
Table Talks are very questionable in their validity. Toland was an expert on Japan but I don't know how good his book actually is.

>> No.18272114

>>18265926
Hitler: The Most Evil Villain Ever by Abraham Silverberg

>> No.18272321

>>18267503
based butters

>> No.18272329

>>18265926
It’s on the shelf just left of the elevator on the third floor of the Mossad secret library.

>> No.18272340

>>18267503
Fuck off fake buttertranny

>> No.18272845

>>18272039
Apart from a handful schizoblogs (e.g. Richard Carrier or some Russian woman that appears under various pseudonyms), the original Bormann protocols are considered authentic. It's the French and English translation which caused controversy among schizos who are obsessed with Hitler's view on Christianity.