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[Anonymous No.18278636]

Are e-Marxists the new Reddit Atheists?

[Anonymous No.18278665]

>>18278636
You know what, they absolutely are.

Insufferable pedants who have to insert their autistic nitpicking into every discussion? Check.

Hopelessly narrow upholders of mainstream values who pretend to be edgy dissidents? Check.

Bioleninist bottom-feeders? Check.

I think you are onto something here.

[Anonymous No.18278708]

>>18278636
Holy fuck that’s an incredible analogy. Never thought of it like that but yes absolutely. It’s the exact same people too.

Just contrarian fad chasers.

[Anonymous No.18278731]

>>18278665
They just replaced “the church” with “Capitalism” as the archenemy of the Hollywood movie they’re personally starring in thats playing in their head.The bigger, more prominent e-Socialists accounts on Twitter don’t do this anymore (but they use to) but if you watch the smaller ones (900 to 0 followers) they say the fucking gayest, pathetic, puerile, and ultimately revealing shit. It’s always overdramatic, childish and divorced from reality and incorporates themes from tv, cartoons, and video games. Socialists, especially the American ones are so fucking dumb. Dumber and more gullible maybe than Qanon people. Not even kidding.

>t. Still paying membership dues in a revolutionary socialist org

[Anonymous No.18278746]

[Anonymous No.18278750]

>>18278636
Yes

[Anonymous No.18278754]

>>18278636
The people who still care about politics after the year 2021 are probably going to die in the coming civil war.

If you're smart, you'll stop caring about politics and go buy a farm in the middle of no where.

[Anonymous No.18278766]

>If you're smart, you'll stop caring about politics and go buy a farm in the middle of no where.
What are you going to do with a farm? Unless you're planning on dedicating 100% of your life to being self-sufficient you're going to be as fucked as everyone else in a war

[Anonymous No.18278767]

>>18278636
They literally are just the reddit atheists who grew older:
No actual understanding of the ideology, constant use of dogma and "deep" quotes they heard from other marxists to sound deep, along with extreme contrarianism.
They just realized that atheism doesn't piss off anyone anymore, so they switched to something more controversial.
I wouldn't be surprised that in a few years, after le epic communism has run its course, /pol/-tier ideologies will become their new obsession.

[Anonymous No.18278772]

>Unless you're planning on dedicating 100% of your life to being self-sufficient
You don't have to be self-sufficient in everything if your neighbors are of the same mind set.

Know who your neighbors are.

[Anonymous No.18278783]

Being a Marxist at this point is just embarrassing. It's such an anarchronistic ideology based on, of all things, an "inevitable" proletarian revolution that obviously will never happen. An international prole revolution will never happen, that's the end of it. Marxism's entire purpose is that revolution. Dudes LARPing as Soviets is incredibly cringe. If the revolution hasn't happened yet, it never will. That's without casting any judgement on whether it SHOULD happen. Arguing about whether it SHOULD happen is pointless because it won't.

[Anonymous No.18278785]

>>18278754
I hope Jocko is on my side

[Anonymous No.18278788]

>>18278708
that's a cute dog :)

[Anonymous No.18278821]

First, we are not against all kinds of revolutions. We are against all kinds of plans and actions, regardless of their means being violent or non-violent, that are intended to link up communism with administrative power. Needless to say, such plots attempt to push for the establishment of the so-called “democratic coalition government” (pro-communist regime). We are opposed to all forms of linking up communism with administrative power, regardless of names or substances, refusing to be hoodwinked by their masks of either internationalism or nationalism, and avoiding being confused by their deceptive methods of either direct democracy or popular front.
The Communist Manifesto remarks as follows: “Communists openly declare that we seek to achieve our aims through, and only through, forcefully subverting all the existing social orders.”
What we are striving to protect are our Japanese culture, history, and traditions. According to the interpretations of their dialectical materialism, all these are certainly included in their “all the existing social orders to be subverted.”

Second, we are the last defenders and the ultimate representatives of the Japanese culture, history, and traditions that must be protected, and we consider ourselves the elite and spearhead of such a mission. We are diametrically opposed to all kinds of thinking that advocate for or imply a “better future society,” because future-oriented actions deny the matureness of culture, negate the nobility of traditions, and seek to transform the irreplaceable “now” completely into a process toward revolution. Embodying the historical continuum, manifesting the essence of history, demonstrating traditional aesthetic form, and making oneself the last sentinel; such a behavioral principle was the very principle that governed the conduct of the Kamikaze Tokkotai who left a testament citing: “Behind us, there will be an endless column of successors.” Such an idea of believing “an endless column of successors” is exactly one that is theoretically antithetical to the idea of “a better future society.” This is because every “successor” was an actor convinced that he was a member of the last sentinels taking the last stand, practicability not being a concern.

[Anonymous No.18278824]

>>18278821
Third, we discerned that post-War revolutionary thinking has always revolved around the collective rationale of the weak. No matter how violently it shows itself, it reflects the mentality of the weak, which is inseparable from the collectivist rationale of certain groups or organizations. It sows the seeds of unrest, suspicion, antipathy, hatred, and jealousy, and uses them as materials for intimidation. It is a group movement that puts together the vilest and most ignoble sentiments of the weak and uses them for certain political purposes. Holding the banner of a vacuous, naïve, and deceptively pleasing ideology, basing it on and connecting it with the lowest sentiments of the weak, by which to win over half of the votes and “democratically” rule over various kinds of small groups and organizations, and through it to oppress the minority and permeate all fields of the society, that is their way.
We take the stance of the strong and start as a minority. Qualities of the Japanese spirit such as brightness and cleanness, generosity, integrity, and high morality are our possessions. Again, practicability is not an issue, because it is not our intention to place our very existence and action in the process toward the future.

Fourth, why are we against communism?

Firstly, communism is absolutely incompatible with our national identity i.e., our national culture, history, and traditions, and is theoretically incompatible with the existence of the Monarch, which is a unique and irreplaceable symbol of our historical continuity, cultural uniformity, and ethnic homogeneity.

The Meiji state had sought for an eclectic combination of the polity of Western Europe and the national character of Japan, and adopted an imitated political system of constitutional monarchy. Post-War Japan pulled away from this combination and chose to introduce a relationship of the two that is neither too close, nor too distant, characterized by parliamentary democracy and a symbolic Emperor, which instead highlighted the fundamentally cultural and non-political nature of the historical monarchic tradition. What should be restored is not the grotesque eclecticism, let alone something like Republicanism that destroys cultural continuity.

[Anonymous No.18278830]

>>18278824
>Firstly, communism is absolutely incompatible with our national identity i.e., our national culture, history, and traditions, and is theoretically incompatible with the existence of the Monarch, which is a unique and irreplaceable symbol of our historical continuity, cultural uniformity, and ethnic homogeneity.
based Mishima

[Anonymous No.18278831]

>>18278824
To manifest the true and rightful nature of the Emperor, we approve of the freedom of speech that is regarded as a virtue of the parliamentary democracy of modern Japan. This is because the essential character of Japanese nationhood that is both new and old and that deserves to be discovered, emerges precisely at the connection point between the whole Japanese culture system — guaranteed to the largest extent by freedom of speech — and the Emperor system as a cultural concept.

On the other hand, the pro-communist and the weak merely utilize freedom of speech as a means, process, and tactic, and argue that progressive values that theoretically promote revolutions lie in freedom of speech itself. This is a misperception. Although freedom of speech is the demarcation line of mutual compromise between human nature and politics, it also satisfies the minimal instinctual requirements of humankind at the same time. (Please refer to my thesis The State of Freedom and Power.)

At present, we do not possess a realistically better political system than parliamentary democracy composed of multiple political parties, as one that guarantees freedom of speech.
This compromise-based and purely technical political system, its shortcomings of lacking idealism and real leadership notwithstanding, is most suited to the protection of freedom of speech, and it alone is capable of countering and resisting totalitarianism which necessarily incorporates speech censorship, secret police, and detention camps.

[Anonymous No.18278838]

>>18278831
Secondly, we are opposed to communism for the sake of protecting freedom of speech.
We aim to smash the nationalist mask of the Communist Party of Japan; in other words, to shatter the illusion of its humanistic-socialism that claims to achieve the protection of freedom of speech, through the Japanese way, for the first time in the world, as this political experiment of theirs, even if it is implemented as literally described, will immediately and patently reveal its horrifying one-party dictatorial nature once it succeeds.

Fifth, resorting first and foremost to speech struggle, economic struggle, and political struggle are their customary tactics, and “discussion” is but a ploy embedded in their tactics. Our fight only needs to be one round, and it must be a fight in which we put life and death at stake. After fighting the round we gamble with life and death, it is up to history, spiritual values, and moral principles to make the judgment. Our anti-revolutionary movement is a shoreline operation against the enemies. The shoreline refers not to the geographic shoreline of Japan, but the spiritual bulwark of us as individual Japanese. With the courage and confidence to go against the prevailing trend, we shall not mind becoming hated and despised enemies of the revolutionary masses. Bracing against the abuse and revilement, ridicule, taunts, and provocations from the masses and remaining steadfast and undeterred, we are resolved to commit our own lives to reawaken their eroded Japanese spirit.

We are the embodiment of the traditional aesthetics and virtues of Japan.
January, the 44th Year of Shōwa.

[Anonymous No.18278843]

>the last judgm--I mean revolution is coming any day now. The worker shall become the owner and an owner shall become a worker!

[Anonymous No.18278850]

>>18278767
No. You misunderstand them. They are fundamentally bullies. They are always on the side of power. Atheists, SJWs, and now communists are small people who like to attach themselves to power and be its attack dog. It is always kicking down. It was cool to kick Christians there for a while, so atheists hopped on that bandwagon. Now Christians are defeated. So they switched to social justice. etc.

[Anonymous No.18278858]

>>18278665
>marxism
>mainstream values
Mutt education never fails to disappoint

[Anonymous No.18278859]

>>18278636
No, that role has been taken up by tradcath larpers

[Anonymous No.18278866]

>>18278783
I think the idea of communism as a teleological end-state of human history is wrong, that is more of a secularized form of Christianity I think, but capitalism being doomed at some level is probably true. Like the idea that this is the end stage of human history? It's just like mercantilism or feudalism. Better to keep the historical and dialectical materialism but dump the Messianism for communism as an intuitive ideal IMO

https://youtu.be/0hIMfJs5s8E

Communism isn't switched on, neither is socialism and no amount of phrasemongering will make it happen. But if you understand socialism and communism to be nothing but the movement towards negation of the current state of things, the western countries are heading that way too, most are just not politically conscious of this.

[Anonymous No.18278869]

>>18278754
If you were actually smart you would pick the winning side and use the war to better your position. It is the bystanders who get fucked over most in civil strife.

[Anonymous No.18278913]

Some like Vaush are the same people in the sense that they came out of that whole internet nerd atheist debating scene and their views were based around coming up with the best arguments to dunk on / win in debates with religious people. The New Atheist thing ran out of steam so they moved on to dunking on alt-right 4chan guys. But I think that probably has a limit as well, and then they'll move onto something else.

But Vaush also seems like an anti-communist type who doesn't like the "tankies" for being authoritarian meanies, although he calls himself a socialist or something. But I think this goes to show that "socialism" doesn't really mean anything. I think anyone can probably call themselves a socialist but you don't see the word communist being co-opted as much. It derives from a different set of axioms and doesn't care as much about "debate."

[Anonymous No.18279095]

reading blackshirts and reds rigt now, parenti is dangerously based

[Anonymous No.18279129]

>>18279095
Isn't Parenti the guy that talks about how muh heckin good third-worlderinos are the new proletariat? Dude is super gay

[Anonymous No.18279158]

>>18278636
This image is larpy and cringe, but I quite like being an e-Marxist. Xi just keeps vindicating us, each passing day it becomes more evident the west will continue falling and the east will continue rising. So called “breadtubers” are the new Reddit atheists. They claim to be Marxist but their positions are hardly alike Marxist revolutionaries before them, they’re just libs with a communist aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.18279196]

>>18279158
If it is true that breadtubers are just liberals with communist aesthetics, then it is even more true that Xi's post Deng China is a hyper-capitalist state with communist aesthetics. All most Marxists ever do is sit in their armchairs and wait for revolution.

[Anonymous No.18279205]

>>18278783
She's cute.

[Anonymous No.18279279]

>>18279196
The problem in capitalist states is that industrialists can end up wielding more power than their government and in turn overpower and corrupt the government. This doesn’t happen in China though (see the case of Jack Ma). If a corporation gets too strong in China the ccp will reign them in. Therefore the ccp is not fully capitalist, though they are no doubt great producers.
>All most Marxists ever do is sit in their armchairs and wait for revolution.
All I do is observe stuff and post about it and that’s good enough for me

[Anonymous No.18279294]

>>18279095
>reading blackshirts and reds rigt now
Why are mutts still believing shit that was debunked already 100 years ago? And by other commies too, go figure.

[Anonymous No.18279298]

I like the idea of a Socialist state but a Communist world is a fantasy, I also don't trust the people who advocate for Socialism and Communism.

[Anonymous No.18279322]

>>18278913
Why do you talk like such a fucking faggot? I can instantly register your cadence as being sourced from Chapo Trap House online circles. Holy fuck, I don’t even disagree with the sentiment of what you’re saying, but fuck you sound like a gigantic faggot. Just speak normally.

[Anonymous No.18279329]

>>18278858
>criticizning marxism gets you dired
retard

[Anonymous No.18279343]

Who do you guys think is gonna win the race war?

[Anonymous No.18279351]

>>18279343
The right is outnumbered, has no leader and no will to fight back, whites in America are done

[Anonymous No.18279439]

>>18279343
Asians undoubtedly. In America? Uh... I don’t know if anyone will “win” there but I think America’s Jewish, East Asian, Indian, and remnants of old money WASP elite will continue to incite racial confrontations between poor/middle class whites and blacks. I think it can be sustained in perpetuity. The things I see being said about White people in American media and on social media is insane and genuinely full of murderous hatred. Not even exaggerating. I think a not insignificant portion of non-white Murricans want to torture and kill White people for... ???

Too early to tell what direction America will go in but you can be assured it’s almost certainly down. China has a bright future.

[Anonymous No.18279517]

>>18279439
Haven't you seen their latest population census? They're already in decline. The chinks are turbo-fucked.

What we'll see is an America that becomes increasingly fractured, Brazil-like, as the peak of national unity that was achieved during ww2 is slowly undermined; the cohesive whole necessary for a large scale war-mobilisation is supplanted by more efficient ethnic-enclaves of high performing minorities. And, where America leads, the rest of the world exposed to the currents of the global free-market shall follow.

[Anonymous No.18279556]

>>18278636
Definitely. Some of them are probably the same people too, only even dumber than before.

[Anonymous No.18279577]

>>18279343
The Turkish BVLLS

[Anonymous No.18279585]

>>18279517
China is trying to take away women's rights, which is the only way to raise birth rates

[Anonymous No.18279586]

>>18279556
Alt right and Dirtbag left both are downstream from new atheism. Every person that’s part of these embarrassing “movements” admit to being influenced by New Atheism. Alt rightoids returned to God, Leftoids went further and became communists - both of these were done for contrarian purposes. It was no longer cool to be irreligious and atheist like George Carlin. Being non religious is the default even in the Bible Belt among younger generations. For both of these groups it’s just window dressing for their empty personalities. That’s why it all feels incredibly inauthentic and people describe the jarring performance as “LARP”. Why the fuck are these retards trying to revive cast aside symbols like the knights Templar regalia and hammer and sickles in a completely alien context?

[Anonymous No.18279591]

>>18279585
I saw that. Whores BTFO. God damn China is so based.

[Anonymous No.18279599]

>>18278636
>all this chinkshit
how embarrassing

[Anonymous No.18279611]

>>18279591
They have one party rule so they don't need to pander to women

[Anonymous No.18279613]

>>18279585
No one can raise birth rates. The Poles, Hungarians, Nazis, etc etc, none of them have even remotely managed it, regardless of however much money they throw at the issue. Birth rates are, it would seem, thoroughly outside the ken of governmental intervention; they've been on the down-slide since, what, the late 19th century? No one's going to be able to fix it, all we'll see is that the people who win shall be the ones going in with the best fertility rates.

[Anonymous No.18279624]

>>18278636
>>>/fa/rkoffbacktofashion

[Anonymous No.18279625]

>>18279586
Pretty much, they are just trying to find a new religion.

[Anonymous No.18279627]

>>18279613
I hope they go down until we're down to a few million people. The more people die the better. The planet doesn't belong to humans.

[Anonymous No.18279632]

>>18279613
Throwing money at women doesn't work because they simply don't want to have kids, they'd rather work or whore out
What do the Amish, Muslims and Orthodox Jews have in common?

[Anonymous No.18279637]

>>18279627
Cringe

[Anonymous No.18279643]

>>18279625
Funny you mention it because now the online left are becoming religious and trying to synthesise it with their political beliefs. Many are becoming Catholic or talking about Gnosticism. Constantly chasing a fad. Never stopping lol

[Anonymous No.18279655]

>>18279637
No, reality. You are fucking scum and you deserve to die. I never said the world would be better off without humans. But the world doesn't need billions of them. People like you can go, for sure.

[Anonymous No.18279689]

>>18279655
We can start with Asians and Africans then

[Anonymous No.18279694]

You should have listened.

[Anonymous No.18279696]

Conservatism and nationalism died for good after WWII

[Anonymous No.18279719]

>>18279696
If went

Christianity vs Paganism > Catholicism vs Protestantism > Catholicism vs Enlightenment > Liberalism vs Conservatives > Imperialism vs Imperialism > Liberalism vs Communism vs Fascism > Liberalism vs Communism > Neoliberalism vs whatever the fuck China is

Did I get that right?

[Anonymous No.18279726]

>>18279719
China is pretty much just Fascist

[Anonymous No.18279816]

>>18279632
You can approach this at two angles:
(1) Even if these sub-groups are particularly fecund, they can only do so because of the fact that they are, in fact, a sub-group: if they had to act as the main support column of the polity they inhabited, their fertility would deteriorate towards the global mean.
And:
(2) This is mostly a cope, an important cope admittedly but... Anyway: it just doesn't matter. Fertility is problematic because it is actively affecting us, I mean, actively affecting our quality-of-life, conduct of politics, and so on; the debate itself—the short-term consequences of diverging ethnic success—is the principle difficulty, long-term we have far greater challenges in wait: genetic engineering, fusion, AI, the generic ones. These will act to destroy any truly great object-level problems of a less peopled planet. The problem is entirely the fact that WE unfortunate bastards have to live through these times; the world of tomorrow, if it can come, will; what we should worry about is how unpleasant it shall be for those alive today.

[Anonymous No.18279845]

>>18279816
We are willingly letting our society go extinct, we can't ignore the problem

[Anonymous No.18279876]

>>18279845
It's only a problem from your—or, perhaps, my—perspective; if it was a problem for the elites, why would it be happening? I might care about the extinction of my society, but those at the top do not, quite the opposite, it benefits them, enriches them from the vast stream of foreign capital fleeing from their own native countries.

[Anonymous No.18279884]

>>18279876
The elites are so disconnected from the rest of the population they see you and me as just work ants

[Anonymous No.18279898]

>>18278788
It's obviously a mouse

[Anonymous No.18279911]

Marxism is still the best way to analyse capitalist society.

The thing is, when you get high enough in the realms of power, the language they use is basically marxist

[Anonymous No.18279924]

>>18279911
Marxism is based on manipulation of language

[Anonymous No.18279953]

I've found Stonetoss comics seem to really piss Marxists and tranny leftists off. Idk why, they're not that funny and I don't even get half of them. But it has the desired effect so just post them when you encounter these rejects

[Anonymous No.18279956]

>>18279911
No it isn't at all. Every marxist analysis of capitalism analyses the society of 100 years ago. It has no answers for modernity and has failed to predict anything.

[Anonymous No.18280054]

>>18278636
>"communist"
>falls into commodity fetishism
why?

[Anonymous No.18280063]

>>18278636
Yes, if anyone was doing "real" Marxism they wouldn't be online all day screaming at peoples grandams for not say they/them

[Anonymous No.18280128]

>>18278913
>But Vaush also seems like an anti-communist type who doesn't like the "tankies" for being authoritarian meanies, although he calls himself a socialist or something. But I think this goes to show that "socialism" doesn't really mean anything.
This is unironically "real communism hasn't been tried yet!!!" at play here, except they probably understand it even less than the big bad Russians.

[Anonymous No.18280130]

>>18278665
I think the e-commies are the same guys as the atheists, just after a few years of hrt.

[Anonymous No.18280171]

>>18279911
>when you get high enough in the realms of power, the language they use is basically marxist
You've confused economic terminology with Marixst terminology.

[Anonymous No.18280193]

>>18278858
They teach Marxist ideology at almost every university in the united states. While the older generation of democrats are still liberal capitalists, the young democrats are overwhelmingly socialist and so are their supporters. Marxism is mainstream.

[Anonymous No.18280199]

>>18278636
No, they are the new /pol/tards.

[Anonymous No.18280205]

>>18278636
I like China and all but this is next level larp

[Anonymous No.18280224]

>>18278636
It's my new favourite internet oddity personality type. Most of these guys either were or would have been alt-right shitposters in 2015-6 but were born too late and grew up learning to associate fascism with homosexuality and Drumpf boomer capitalism.

[Anonymous No.18280229]

>>18280224
And by "favourite" I of course mean "most cringe worthy"

[Anonymous No.18280283]

>>18280205
Xi Jinping wouldn't let him have those guns. He'd expect him to work the 996 to improve GDP, uh no, productive forces and be able to afford his own car and apartment instead of having to rent from the dizhu, oh I mean fangdong, so he can marry and have his now acceptable two children, children who will come to age in 2050 when socialism will definitely be achieved!

[Anonymous No.18280295]

>>18278636
pistol, slide locked back
sks, bolt closed
shotgun in some weird twilight halfway place

[Anonymous No.18280324]

>>18278636
Xi-chads... I yield.

[Anonymous No.18281109]

fucking BASED

[Anonymous No.18281124]

this is fucking spot on, OP.

[Anonymous No.18281132]

>>18281109
Who's that

[Anonymous No.18281136]

>>18278636
Don't really get maoist-dengists: mao hated deng's politics

[Anonymous No.18281150]

>>18281132
Jeremiah Covid

[Anonymous No.18281152]

>>18281132
the only britfag with a brain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEECpMBhq-U

[Anonymous No.18281160]

Yes, 2005-2011 /r/atheism and 2015-2021 "marxism" are almost analogous.

[Ratcliff No.18281163]

>>18278636
Holy shit.
Am a fucking midwit? Why didn’t I make this connection before!

They absolutely are, holy shit it makes perfect sense.

As a reward, I’ll give you the most erotic picture I own.

[Anonymous No.18281165]

>>18278754
Live on a farm, care for animals and read books.
Can you think of a better life?

[Anonymous No.18281182]

>>18279694
Based.

[Anonymous No.18281189]

>>18278636
I love how e-leftoids are going through their 2017-style fedposting/disillusion stage. Except instead of atomwaffle spergs posting intimidation videos and murdering each other it's vestigial trannies posting pictures of rifles they couldn't ruck with for 10 miles and smashing shit in the street with the implicit support of the ruling class.

[Anonymous No.18281195]

>>18281165
this with the addition of an unrealisticly good relationship with a wife and child.

[Anonymous No.18281200]

>>18278636
It's fascinating how gen z all either became tranny leftists or fascists depending on whether the youtube algorithm showed them a Jordan Peterson lecture or a breadtube video, respectively

[Anonymous No.18281204]

>>18279613
religion is the only thing that does it

[Anonymous No.18281226]

>>18279613
>all we'll see is that the people who win shall be the ones going in with the best fertility rates.

Global fertility has been declining and will continue to decline. That being said: why "fix" it? This presumes something is wrong. We can't even look far enough back at global fertility to see fluctuations through the centuries and how "naturally" it occurs.

Furthermore, I've always been hesitant by people -- I'm not suggesting you -- thinking perpetual population growth is something worth striving for; and I mainly see it pushed by either the hyper-consumerist or the religious.

Who's to say the world might not function better with a smaller population -- well, of course, the corporatist would lament it.

[Anonymous No.18281229]

Without a doubt.

It's funny how all those trends are products of a specific digital space and thrive due to its structure, too.

If you spent enough time on the internet you could genuinely see small changes in how different websites were regulated and organized having major repercussions in how people there talked and behaved, and eventually what ideas/narratives were able to take off according to those new parameters. Once that setting changes again all those ideas people seemed ready to die for just naturally fade out and everyone who bought into them start going on an apology tour as they adhere to the new ones.

[Anonymous No.18281233]

All will eventually bow to infrared.

[Anonymous No.18281244]

>>18281226
So this is how humanity willingly goes extinct, not with a bang but with a whimper

[Anonymous No.18281249]

>>18281226
Population growth is needed to sustain the massive welfare state in the western world and no one will get rid of it

[Anonymous No.18281254]

>>18279911
Marxists think they are the top realms of power because Marx copied economist terms.

[Anonymous No.18281277]

>>18279158
>Xi just keeps vindicating us
Ok retard, let me spell this out for you in the simplest way possible:
Where is big daddy Xi going to sell his products, after the West goes full Yugoslavia? Not even the entirety of West, the US in particular, because it's the Yankees that control and protect the global shipping lanes. Newsflash: China doesn't have a blue water navy yet.
You see, China is like a big, imposing banner. Outwardly impressive and intimidating. But when the building behind it collapses, the banner is going down with it.

[Anonymous No.18281282]

>>18281244
I don't think it's that grim. Given enough time, subpopulations with birthrates above replacement will become the majority, and thus the overall population will begin to rise. If you made me predict (assuming nothing really changes from today, which is a stupid assumption but bear with me) what the world population will look like in 2200, I'd say religious populations would dominate. Protestant sects which promote high birth rates, Salafi Muslims, literal new-age cults, Orthodox Jews, etc. will be the bulk of the world's population. The overall population would be much lower, but the birthrate would be higher.

[Anonymous No.18281286]

>>18281165
>>18281195

Can confirm. When i was working on my PhD I lived with my wife and kids on a few acres. We had an old farmhouse heated with wood, and a big barn.

We had a couple jerseys for milk, chickens for eggs, turkeys and pigs for meat, and a big garden. We homeschooled the kids and lived by the rhythm of the seasons.

It was a great life. Studying and teaching on the one hand, farm chores with my wife in the other, while the children ran wild. It was everything Coleridge hoped for.

But it couldnt last once i finished my degree and my department didnt want a white man. I hope that the best years of my life arent already behind me, but it remains my ideal way to live.

[Anonymous No.18281298]

>>18281277
People have been saying this for ages, but despite everything China has only grown more powerful. Do I think they will become a 1990s USA style hegemon? No, but I doubt they will collapse in the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.18281310]

>>18278754
Farming is a shitty job. And doomers always say a civil war is about to start.

[Anonymous No.18281321]

>>18281277
Delusional
Asia will become a centre of education and intelligence after US has become completely pozzed

[Anonymous No.18281325]

Pretty much. Theyre vitriolic against the "right" enemy but the broader enemy they know will never actually go away so they say their dumb genrral rhetoric agains these types yet cant resist the dopamine hit of dunking on the truly irrelavant but despicable

[Anonymous No.18281332]

>>18278866
>communism as a teleological end-state of human history is wrong
>capitalism being doomed at some level is probably true
I agree with both. Very irritating that people want to be martyrs for dated ideologies, rather thinking of better ways of structuring societies in the future

[Anonymous No.18281336]

>>18281286
fucking lol

[Anonymous No.18281337]

>>18279343
Unironically the whites.
The majority of whites occupy better geographic land then the other races in the Untied States, with access to farmland, natural choke points, mountains, and land that heavily favors defending armies.
Latinos would have a reasonable(?) time, since they mostly occupy space close to the Mexico boarder. Familiarity is a huge boon in a race war.
Blacks would have the worst time by far. They mostly occupy cities, and have a track record of self destruction. (See last year)
My main concern, however, is that there is no current leader for anyone. I fear it will quickly devolve into a Warlord type situation, in which the conflict would be the most savage war seen by the west since the great war.

[Anonymous No.18281341]

>>18278754
Unless you already know how to be self sufficient, the best idea is to move to a small community and build a relationship there

[Anonymous No.18281347]

How much did Elevatorgate truly effect? Did the SJW/Anti-SJW schism in that community lead to the extremities of polarization on the Internet? Did the Neo-Athiest movement becone a mobster that now tears at its own flesh? Has it always just been fedoras all the way down?

How many people, I wonder, went through this pipeline:

Neo-Atheist -> Elevatorgate -> (SJW) or (non-SJW) -> Gamergate -> (broadly Left) or (broadly Right) -> 2016 US Presedential Election -> (e-commie) or (Alt-Right)

I'm simplifying a lot here, if course

[Anonymous No.18281358]

>>18280199

[Anonymous No.18281363]

>>18281347
Holy crap I need to proofread before posting next time

[Anonymous No.18281370]

>>18281337
What a massive LARP

[Anonymous No.18281385]

>>18281298
>>18281321
You faggots still haven't answered the question yet.
How is China meant to not only sustain itself, but become a global superpower when it's major costumers are self destructing and would not be able to continue buying their products?

[Anonymous No.18281436]

>>18281385
I don't think they'll become a hegemon. But a superpower? Once they have a blue-water navy, they will be a superpower. They already have everything else needed, thanks to the influence they have on Eurasia and Africa from Belt and Road

As for maintaining this? Given that Western decline is a slow process, they will be able to sell products here for a long time. Eventually their domestic and African markets will replace the Western one. The only real threat I can see is their population situation.

[Anonymous No.18281448]

>>18281370
>LARP: Easiest way to dismiss an point I don't like

[Anonymous No.18281466]

>>18281385
They answered your question by noting that China's rise in power includes other facets beyond being the world's Walmart.

[Anonymous No.18281476]

>>18281436
Good luck with the navy, and good luck with the markets in Africa.
The collapse of Western civilization started back in the 60's, with the Sexual Revolution and the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. We are just now starting to see and feel the effects of the slow collapse which started over 60 years ago now.
In short, we're fucked. Have a nice day

[Anonymous No.18281481]

>>18281476
>The collapse of Western civilization started back in the 60's,
It started in the 20s with universal suffrage

[Anonymous No.18281490]

>>18278913
>But Vaush also seems like an anti-communist type who doesn't like the "tankies" for being authoritarian meanies
Oh nooooo the authoritarian meanies,how dare they make up their own values and impose those values on the world around them,that's just bad okay!!!11!!
I remember watching some tranny (or girl,don't remember) telling you how to identify a fascist and it was something along those lines

Did they really start using ''fascist'' as a insult to people who want to impose their own values on others?

As far as I'm aware not many people even on /pol/ are ''fascists'' like that,since they resent jews for dominating the world(atleast acording to them).
Anyhow,since these retards have started calling strong people ''fascists'',why should anyone be insulted by this?
I don't really care about politics,but I would hate to see the uncreative masses take control,and wish that any future revolutionaries realise just how much more superior they are to the soldiers they indoctrinate to risk their lives.
>>18279726
>''''China''''' is pretty much just strong,and does not care for the weak,thus they are fascist.
So red fascists are the ''strong commies'' I understand
Note that I'm not praising the slaves for serving,but the leaders for not stopping,Xi is strong,he has power,atleast for now.
>>18281385
Have you seen that Gif of China's birthrates?
If thay can't fix those in 50 years or so I genuinely think we're going to see another warlord period,you can't sustain a state when such a large amount of the population isn't able to work.
The west has been coping with this by introducing replacement migration,and it seems to work,whether you like it or not.
As for the ''China won't be able to sell shit'' argument,I don't think that really matters,maybe I'm a pseud here idk,I don't really care.

[Anonymous No.18281511]

>>18281466
The only reason that China exists as it is right now is because of that very fact: It is the Wests manufacturing bitch.
Ever wonder how China remained intact after the Great Leap Forward killed tens, if not hundreds of million of people and returned most of China to the dark ages?
International investment. Sorry to be the one to break it you, but China is nothing more then a vasal for the International, specifically Western powers.

[Anonymous No.18281534]

>>18281490
That's a good point that I forgot to mention: China's birthrate is fucked, and the population is about to plateau and tank dramatically.
That, and combined with all the signs that point to China falling into the middle income trap, all support my final conclusion: That China is just as, if not more fucked then the west is.

[Anonymous No.18281558]

>>18281534
Who isn't fucked honestly, middle east?
Are we about to witness the next dark age?

[Anonymous No.18281562]

>>18281277
if China ever goes down it'll only be because America will use any violent means necessary to ruin it and declare itself as the savior of democracy™, as with any country that doesn't lick transatlantic liberal boots.

[Anonymous No.18281564]

>>18281490
>If thay can't fix those in 50 years or so I genuinely think we're going to see another warlord period,you can't sustain a state when such a large amount of the population isn't able to work.
Not to be crass, I think there will be a culling of the elderly in China. I can see them just releasing viruses extremely dangerous to the elderly and not to the young, and just killing off those who can't work. Of course, this won't solve the problem of low birthrates, but it will give them more time to do so.
>The west has been coping with this by introducing replacement migration,and it seems to work,whether you like it or not.
I have my doubts about this. It works if and only if the assimilating forces are stronger than the ones pulling people apart. With the rise of identity politics, this is no longer the case. We will see if this trend changes, but until it does, replacement immigration will exacerbate issues of social and political instability. I would not be surprised if there is a top-down push for civic nationalism across the West to solve this problem.

>>18281558
Nah, MENA is in trouble too, with water issues and religious conflict. It's going to be interesting times.

[Anonymous No.18281569]

>>18281562
That's never gonna happen
China has the USA by the balls, none is speaking out against them

[Anonymous No.18281576]

>>18278636
why marxists are always violent?
never productive, always destructive?

[Anonymous No.18281584]

>>18281534
>>18281564
This is what I was talking about when I mentioned the birthrates,first saw it on this site,not on plebbit
Absolutely pathetic

[Anonymous No.18281593]

>>18281558
Yes, yes we are.
Not as long as the Dark Ages, since we have progressed much father technologically, however shit will suck for at least a full generation.
>>18281562
I would be much more concerned with the local powers in that region, notably Russia, India and Japan.
All of which have a axe to grind with the Chinese and would stand to profit from China's destruction and subsequent salting.

[Anonymous No.18281604]

>>18278636
No that’d be zoomer pol tradcaths

[Anonymous No.18281606]

>>18281584
It's a nasty bind for them. I think a state-mandated "3 Child Policy" will eventually come into play, but things will get rough for them for a while.

>>18281593
Russia and Japan are in the same population bind as China, they won't do much. I can see India trying to take Tibet for water security issues but that's a fantasy, given they both have nukes.

[Anonymous No.18281610]

>>18281584
>mfw Best Korea has a higher birthrate then China

[Anonymous No.18281612]

>>18279956
>Capital doesn't exploit labour in 2021

Hell you can look at things like the gig economy as basically confirming Marxist analysis

[Anonymous No.18281621]

>>18280193
There's a reason most people who read or are aware of Marx's ideas (without them being filtered for them by rupert murdoch) tend to agree, it's because they're good ideas.

[Anonymous No.18281622]

>>18279953
How can you not get stonetoss?

[Anonymous No.18281625]

>>18281610
*than

[Anonymous No.18281631]

>>18281604
>edgy fedoras turning into tradcaths
makes no sense

[Anonymous No.18281647]

>>18281564
They aren't super villains. Confucian respect for parents still casts a shadow over them. People not visiting their old parents is seen as a major problem and just look at how they reacted to covid. If they wanted to kill the old, they just squandered a great opportunity.

[Anonymous No.18281649]

>>18281621
>it's because they're good ideas
Good ideas don't always lead to good outcomes

[Anonymous No.18281652]

>>18281606
Russia and India have currently a health relationship, what with India buying a shit ton of Russian Equipment, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if they partnered up in the event that China goes postal.
Japan is the wildcard here. They would stand to greatly benefit from China's destruction. The Birthrates are the major concern for the Nips, however.

[Anonymous No.18281660]

>>18281621
Because Marxism is for people who feel and don't think

[Anonymous No.18281666]

>>18281606
Also seriously overestimating state control and how much Chinese people will do as told. Best they could manage would be propaganda and putting particularly fecund celebrities on stage at the New Year Gala or something.

[Anonymous No.18281667]

>>18281584
>>18281652
Once the US Hegemony and UN collapses feminism goes away and the birth rates will climb up back to normal

[Anonymous No.18281671]

>>18281490
>Note that I'm not praising the slaves for serving,but the leaders for not stopping
I was so close to giving you a big slap post for misunderstanding him

>>18279343
Pic related

[Anonymous No.18281674]

>>18278783
>It's such an anarchronistic ideology based on, of all things, an "inevitable" proletarian revolution that obviously will never happen. An international prole revolution will never happen, that's the end of it. Marxism's entire purpose is that revolution
>>18278866
>the idea of communism as a teleological end-state of human history is wrong, that is more of a secularized form of Christianity I think, but capitalism being doomed at some level is probably true. Like the idea that this is the end stage of human history? It's just like mercantilism or feudalism. Better to keep the historical and dialectical materialism but dump the Messianism for communism as an intuitive ideal IMO

"Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality [will] have to adjust itself. We call communism the real movement which abolishes the present state of things. The conditions of this movement result from the premises now in existence."

t. Marx and Engels

[Anonymous No.18281682]

>>18279625
Marxism is analysis based lol

[Anonymous No.18281683]

What are some contemporary texts or authors that actually try to tackle the problems of modernity and capital without regurgitating the same marxist tenets of last century? I get the usefulness of marxist crit, but is there nothing new to propose in regards to frameworks for building something new?

I just started reading Byung Chul Han btw

[Anonymous No.18281693]

>>18281683
Postone.

[Anonymous No.18281696]

>>18279953
basing your entire thing on ressentiment of others is still cringe

[Anonymous No.18281697]

>>18281612
>capitalism
>2021

[Anonymous No.18281704]

>>18281667
Are you legitimately retarded or a shill?
China fucked themselves with the one child policy. The US or the UN, in a surprising turn of events, did nothing to fuck you guys over either way

[Anonymous No.18281705]

>>18281647
The average dude on the street is not, but the people at the very top? I doubt Xi would lose much sleep over such a program.

>>18281666
>Also seriously overestimating state control and how much Chinese people will do as told.
They'll do as told. China is well on its way to having total control over its citizens, and with their social credit system, it'll only get more extreme.

[Anonymous No.18281710]

>>18278913
>But I think this goes to show that "socialism" doesn't really mean anything.
I mean, Bill Gates calls himself a socialist. That's excellent proof that it means absolutely nothing to call yourself one.

[Anonymous No.18281712]

>>18281704
He's just fun posting anon

[Anonymous No.18281739]

>>18281621
>murky mix of 19th century science, degenerate idealism (hegel), comtean positivism, utopian socialism, naive materialism, and 19th century economic theory
>good

[Anonymous No.18281743]

>>18281621
>overscholadized retards with no real world experience agree

[Anonymous No.18281745]

>>18281584
based Mongolians raw dogging nonstop

[Anonymous No.18281753]

>>18279613
The future is brown, black, and muslim.

Deal with it, chuds.

[Anonymous No.18281756]

>>18281674
>it’s not an ideal because uhhh we just said it isn’t okay

[Anonymous No.18281758]

>>18278636
Everyone is the new reddit athiest retard.

The market is completely oversaturated by every demography. Chathokeks, Maxoids, Fascies, Anracho-dialators, fence sitters, libtards conservative lights, all of them. Even I am over saturated.

[Anonymous No.18281762]

What are some good marxists

[Anonymous No.18281767]

>>18281621
>Dude just kill the people who disagree LMAO
Ok starting with you.

[Anonymous No.18281768]

>>18281631
It happened though

[Anonymous No.18281770]

>>18281753
Really? Because the group of people in the highest birth rates in the United States,
Are Cristian, conservative whites.
You want to revise that statement, axewound?

[Anonymous No.18281784]

>>18281770
>Christian
>>18281753
>Muslim

The important thing is religion it seems, atheist populations die off

[Anonymous No.18281791]

>>18281490
Mr.Based at it again

[Anonymous No.18281798]

>>18281784
It's not religion itself I think but patriarchal order with classic gender roles, although usually the latter is made possible by the former.

[Anonymous No.18281814]

>>18281798
Are women literally destroying society?

Maybe that god dude was onto something

[Anonymous No.18281832]

>>18281814
>No men who really think deeply about women retain a high opinion of them; men either despise women or they have never thought seriously about them. ~ Weininger

>From the beginning, nothing has been more alien, repugnant, and hostile to woman than truth -- her great art is the lie, her highest concern is mere appearance of beauty. ~ Nietzsche

>Women remain children all their lives, for they always see only what is near at hand, cling to the present, take the appearance of a thing for reality, and prefer trifling matters to the most important. ~ Schopenhauer

>Women are capable of education, but they are not made for activities which demand a universal faculty such as the more advanced sciences, philosophy, and certain forms of artistic production... women regulate their actions not by the demands of universality but by arbitrary inclinations and opinions. ~ Hegel

>No man should trust the words of a girl, nor anything a woman says. Women’s hearts are molded on a wobbly wheel. Deception lurks in their words. ~ Havamal

>I looked into Paradise and found that the majority of its dwellers were the poor people, and I looked into the Hell and found that the majority of its dwellers were women. ~ Bukhari

>The female is as it were a deformed male. The male is by nature superior and the female inferior, the male ruler and the female subject. ~ Aristotle

>While I was still searching but not finding-- I found one upright man among a thousand, but not one upright woman among them all. ~ Ecclesiastes

>Do not let a flaunting woman coax and cozen and deceive you: she is after your barn. The man who trusts womankind trust deceivers. ~ Hesiod

[Anonymous No.18281849]

>>18281814
There's also the societal/governmental aspect. Right now women literally can't do anything that society would blame them for or that either one of the two wouldn't catch them during if they were to fall. Not divorce, not being single mother, not cheating on their partners : as things are right now it's just impossible for them to get fucked, no matter what they do.

So long as society and the government enables them like this, women will have little interest in settling down and men will have little interest on putting a ring on a woman's finger when they stand to lose everything in every situation in exchange for middling entitled 30-year old women.

[Anonymous No.18281850]

>>18281798
>>18281814
Ultimately women are the most important part of determining a society's trajectory. No matter if in Saudi Arabia or in the West, things all end up trending in the direction they desire. The solution is to make women truly believe that their faith/society is good- not only good, the best. If a significant chunk start seeing another faith or system as better, it's game over.

[Anonymous No.18281852]

>>18281511
cope

[Anonymous No.18281856]

>>18278665
>mainstream values
lol

[Anonymous No.18281868]

>>18281832
You realize stuff like this is why philosophy has a reputation of being superceded by the sciences, right?

[Anonymous No.18281870]

>>18281850
You have it backwards. Women enforce whatever programming authority figures (usually society and their male relatives) program them with : communism, liberalism, fascism, whatever, they will police society to conform to that ideology.

So
>things all end up trending in the direction they desire
isn't really true because women don't have agency and an independent will like men do, they just reverbrate whatever the groups I mentioned instill in them.

[Anonymous No.18281880]

>>18281852
Sorry, I'm to busy laugh at China to do that right now

[Anonymous No.18281886]

>>18281870
Unironically good post

[Anonymous No.18281892]

>>18281693
>Moishe

[Anonymous No.18281899]

>>18281868
The sciences are legitimately a fucking cesspool right now, full of brownnosers, pseudo intellectuals, corporate shills and about a dozen people who still care about science questioning their life's choices.
>t. Someone currently studying STEM and hate his life.

[Anonymous No.18281910]

>>18281899
What do you study, anon?

[Anonymous No.18281939]

>>18278636
>settlers
these types embarrass the rest of us marxists

[Anonymous No.18281956]

>>18281621
Most people don't have the mathematical literacy to evaluate any of his ideas. Defend historical materialism if Marx was so on-point. Go ahead; I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.18281958]

>>18281939
Who are the best marxist historians in your opinion? Preferably not anglo ones like Hill or Thompson.

[Anonymous No.18281961]

>>18281899
Yeah I agree, I wasn't implying that the sciences should supercede philosophy. In fact quite the opposite, I was telling you to stop giving fuel to STEM imperialists by quoting empirically lazy/outdated assertions from misogynistic philosophers.

[Anonymous No.18281963]

>>18280193
>They teach Marxist ideology at almost every university in the united states
yes, that is what universities are for. for studying ideology (amongst other things). they also teach about many other ideologies and thinkers. they're called "philosophy courses". you should go check one out.

[Anonymous No.18281964]

>>18281910
I was Chemistry and biology, however with the online classes that the universities tried I'm thinking of taking a year off.
I also have experience with the STEM going back as far as I can remember, on account of my close connections.

[Anonymous No.18281976]

>>18281739
>degenerate idealism
>utopian socialism
just say you haven't read marx or engels.

[Anonymous No.18281987]

>>18281964
Those are actually some of the more fortunate ones from what I've heard. Physics and Mathematics never reconciled the century-old problem of mathematical foundations, and neither do they concern themselves with epistemological problems, while the "softer sciences" like psychology, sociology and such are absolutely devastated by the replication crisis and uncritical injection of ideology. These are thankless times to be a scientist in, that's for sure.

[Anonymous No.18282002]

>>18281958
idk desu, probably hobsbawm or postone or something. i'm not well-read on the historiography stuff but i know enough to know sakai's book isn't respected: https://thecharnelhouse.org/2017/05/15/dont-bother-reading-settlers-by-j-sakai/

[Anonymous No.18282003]

>>18278824
>Firstly, communism is absolutely incompatible with our national identity i.e., our national culture, history, and traditions, and is theoretically incompatible with the existence of the Monarch, which is a unique and irreplaceable symbol of our historical continuity, cultural uniformity, and ethnic homogeneity.

Ironically, American liberal capitalism was fundamentally incompatible with Japanese monarchy as well and Japanese culture probably would have survived better through communist people's rule rather than American/ capitalist hegemony

[Anonymous No.18282016]

>>18281987
Those problems are are starting to seep in to those fields as well, notably with the ideology injection.
Why? Corporate meddling.
I fucking hate this clown world

[Anonymous No.18282067]

>>18279343
Whites are basically undefeated

[Anonymous No.18282075]

>>18281856
Yes. You are the neutered pets of our rulers. There is a reason they don't go after you.

[Anonymous No.18282078]

>>18281576
the person who made that photo isn't violent, they're full on larping. neither are they marxists

>>18281683
>but is there nothing new to propose in regards to frameworks for building something new?
no, utopianism was destroyed by Marx for all time while he was still in his 20s. that's how hopeless it was. anything "new" will arise only out of the unified world proletariat after it has conquered political power. it won't arise out of the head of some petty-bourgeois scribbler. everything those people can ever put out is without exception some idealized and mystified expression of already existing social relations. one would be better off reading a sci-fi novel, because those are actually crafted to entertain.

[Anonymous No.18282101]

>>18281963
1 in 5 professors are actual Marxists. Are 1 in 5 nazis? Shit. There are much fewer combined conservatives/ libertarians than there are Marxists.
Don't play dumb. They teach Marxist values and ideas. They actually do not teach "about" Marxism at all, as in its failures and problems.

[Anonymous No.18282114]

>>18281850
>Ultimately women are the most important part of determining a society's trajectory
Maybe in hunter gathering era, but men are solely responsible for the abomination that is civilization

[Anonymous No.18282117]

>>18281132
One of the least competent politicians this land has ever known

[Anonymous No.18282141]

>>18281814
>>18281850
Empowering women is the easiest way to destroy civilization

[Anonymous No.18282149]

>>18282101
>1 in 5 professors are actual Marxists.
Source? As a Marxist I wish this was true but I seriously doubt it.

[Anonymous No.18282152]

>>18278636
If "e" stands for "english as mother tongue" then they are worse than that.

[Anonymous No.18282164]

>>18278636
Every online extremist is.

[Anonymous No.18282166]

>>18282003
No lad, the very feudal Japanese tradition would not have fared better under communism. It was fucked either way it went.

[Anonymous No.18282168]

>>18282149
https://www.econlib.org/archives/2015/03/the_prevalence_1.html

18% of social science academics identified as Marxists.
There are probably more in depth and better stats but this is the first I found

[Anonymous No.18282183]

>>18282149
Not that guy but you'll probably find it funny that I had one lecturer (really weird guy) who called Stalin the greatest philosopher of all time.

[Anonymous No.18282191]

>>18282164
Death to non-extremists

[Anonymous No.18282203]

>>18278754
Good luck buying land XD

[Anonymous No.18282216]

>>18282168
That is quite different from saying 1 in 5 professors are Marxists. 3% are according to that survey.

[Anonymous No.18282284]

>>18278843
Literally a middle class eschatology.

[Anonymous No.18282582]

>>18282141
You are barely halfway to the correct answer. Every critique you apply to women can be applied more firmly and with stronger statistic backing to greater demographs. Minorities, uneducated and non-land owning, childless males.

Universal franchisement was the greatest mistake.

[Anonymous No.18282591]

>>18279585
>>18279591
>>18279611
What did they do?