What is the American Tradition?

[Anonymous No.18381336]

From a /trad/ POV, what is the American tradition?
What does /lit/ think about the American tradition being the tradition of the British Crown?

Guenon (pbuh) states that Chinese civilization revolves around 'the race'. Isn't there a strong argument for Anglo-American civilization revolving around the Crown?

>inb4 low effort seething europoorposting

[Anonymous No.18381370]

mormonism of course

[Anonymous No.18381374]

Guenon also talks about how tradition in the west had been dead since the medieval ages right?

[Anonymous No.18381385]

>>18381374
>Guenon also talks about how tradition in the west had been dead since the medieval ages right?
not dead, but it peaked around the 13th century according to him
>>18381370
he refutes mormonism though

>Among the religious or pseudo-religious sects widespread in America, the Mormon sect is assuredly one of the oldest and most important, and we believe that it would not be without some interest to look at its origins.
>At the beginning of the nineteenth century there lived in New England a Presbyterian pastor named Solomon Spalding, who had abandoned his ministry in favor of commerce, where it was not long before he went bankrupt. After this setback, he began writing a kind of novel in biblical style which he entitled Manuscript Found, and which, it seems, he counted on to restore his fortune; in this he was mistaken, as he died before he could find a publisher. The subject of this book concerns the history of the North American Indians, who were portrayed as the descendents of the Patriarch Joseph; it was a protracted account of their wars and their supposed migrations from the time of Sedecias, king of Judah, up to the fifteenth century AD. This account was supposed to have been written by various chroniclers, the last of whom, named Mormon, is said to have deposited it in an underground hiding place.
> The success of Mormonism seems astonishing. It is likely that it is due more to the hierarchical and theocratic organization of the sect—very cleverly conceived, it must be acknowledged—than to the value

[Anonymous No.18381427]

>>18381336
Native American Shamanism

[Anonymous No.18381430]

Indian stuff desu

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.18381451]

>>18381336
Shitposting.

Emerson, Whitman, Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin

[Anonymous No.18381464]

>>18381427
This
>>18381451
>18th century Masonic Jews
>tradition
Off yourself, tranny

[Anonymous No.18381467]

pbuh

[Anonymous No.18381473]

>>18381464
this is your brain on /pol/

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.18381484]

>>18381464
The question was “what IS the American tradition”

[Anonymous No.18381485]

>>18381336
>Isn't there a strong argument for Anglo-American civilization revolving around the Crown?
if you remove the word American from that sentence then it makes sense...

[Anonymous No.18381488]

>>18381485
The Revolution was counter-traditional

[Anonymous No.18381495]

sacred roman empire catholicism

[Anonymous No.18381516]

>>18381385
Spalding–Rigdon theory has been thoroughly refuted, I dont think Guenon really had any exceptional insights into Mormons. Certainly Mormon metaphysics deviate from Guenons idea of what 'tradition' is though.

[Anonymous No.18381522]

>>18381516
>Spalding–Rigdon theory has been thoroughly refuted
how so? please explain to us goyim

[Anonymous No.18381544]

>>18381516
>Mormon coping

[Anonymous No.18381552]

>>18381336
you're a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.18381598]

>>18381336
>The United States is a society that is quite developed in many ways, and anyone who arrives in the United States will feel a “future shock”. As a result, some people think about how they want to enjoy America, while others wonder how such a country could exist. To the latter question, different people have different answers. I asked my friends. One friend replied that one is the extraordinary abundance of resources, and the other that competition for talent is encouraged. Another friend added that at least that was the case when people first arrived in the United States. I asked G, a friend who is pursuing a Ph.D. at Stanford. The answer? Tradition. I found this to be one of the most abstract, yet valuable, explanations. The development of any society is not the result of purely economic forces, nor is it the result of short-term behavioral adjustments. The development of a society to be the richest under the sky is not the result of human will. What are the forces that direct the efforts of people in this society for generations? One can come up with many specific causes, such as innovation, ambition, thrift, and so on. The most important thing is whether any of these factors can become a cultural gene, a tradition. No matter what factors are conducive to social development, if they do not constitute a tradition, they cannot be deeply rooted. For any good factor to have an effect, it must be the work of several generations. Americans talk about innovation all day long, but in reality tradition is very strong. The Chinese also talk about innovation all day long, but the result is that tradition is repeatedly rising and falling from fashion. It has been said that the American people do not speak of innovation as much as they speak against tradition. In America tradition and innovation are the same thing, and today’s tradition is only the innovation of 30 or 50 years ago. The Chinese speak of innovation in the sense of being anti-traditional. However, traditions that are one or two thousand years old are not easily reversed.
t. Wang Huning

[Anonymous No.18381682]

>From a /trad/ POV, what is the American tradition?

To conceive the Tragedy of Atlantis in a New World.

United States is a Masonic experience through and through. the United States of America has no ethno-nationalist identity. It was absolutely never meant to be that way. It was literally meant to be a giant Masonic experiment. Closest thing to any cohesive culture is that cohesion provided by Freemasonry and their stated ideals such as fraternity, equality, faith, hope, and charity, etc. and this is obvious even today. Of course such "high and lofty" ideals degenerate to something abominable such as LGBT rights and mutilation of the human gender.

America is a Masonic experiment of trying to create "Atlantis" (Literally means West Island) in a new world.

We all know what happened to Atlantis. The drowning is of course symbolical, it's the destruction and similar chaos that essentially destroys Amerishitland to rubble

The "Black Magicians" of Atlantis being nothing more than a metaphor for the Negroid races and primitive black magicians (of which Guénon talks the voodoo people being a literal vestiges of)

The Rap music is now the de-facto most popular music in America and the Negroid worship is also apparent (think of George Floyd's death, buried in a golden casket and the mystery schools where it says "Osiris is a Black God")

C.G Jung's observations concerning America:
>Another thing that struck me [in the American] was the great influence of the Negro, a psychological influence naturally, not due to the mixing of blood. The emotional way an American expresses himself, especially the way he laughs, can best be studied in the illustrated supplements of the American papers; the inimitable Teddy Roosevelt laugh is found in its primordial form in the American Negro. The peculiar walk with loose joints, or the swinging of the hips so frequently observed in Americans, also comes from the Negro.[3] American music draws its main inspiration from the Negro, and so does the dance. The expression of religious feeling, the revival meetings, the Holy Rollers and other abnormalities are strongly influenced by the Negro. The vivacity of the average American, which shows itself not only at baseball games but quite particularly in his extraordinary love of talking – the ceaseless gabble of American papers is an eloquent example of this – is scarcely to be derived from his Germanic forefathers, but is far more like the chattering of a Negro village. The almost total lack of privacy and the all-devouring mass sociability remind one of primitive life in open huts, where there is complete identity with all members of the tribe.

[Anonymous No.18381693]

>>18381682

Most Americans, especially the WASPs, seem to think of themselves as some sort of representatives of their European forefathers on the new continent. This is prevalent mostly among the types we cannot classify as the so-called fifty-sixters or 'mutts' in general, but who by their physical charasteristics closely resemble traditional caucasoids. But further observation and examination of this so-called "white bastion" proves quite otherwise.

We could take Donald Trump as an example. Werner Sombart, one of the greatest sociologists of all time, noted about Americans once: "they mistake bigness for greatness". Now, this trait is not found in all non-European peoples or peoples of color, especially those who have retained their Tradition. For example, an authentic Arab of the old race, a redskin Indian, an East Asian are not overly impressed by merely material, quantitative, ostentatious size, including that related to machinery, technology and the economy, or the size of the Trump Tower (apart, of course, from already Americanized individuals). It is a trait found only in truly primitive and childish races like the Negro. It is no exaggeration to assert that the foolish pride of Americans in spectacular “bigness,” in the “achievements” of their civilization, reek of the Negro psyche. Donald Trump, is essentially a white negroid. His whole stature, mindset and even the way he speaks reeks of the Negro mindset; "Big is good. Go big or go home. Big is great." and this also shows the absurdity of how most WASPs in America think of their identity as "white", even though sociological, psychoanalytical and even traditional observers all disagree.

[Anonymous No.18381701]

>>18381693
Seething

[Anonymous No.18381707]

The relationship with America the mythological Atlantis (that was also said to be destroyed by a Flood) is also speculated by René Guénon in his Symbols of Sacred Science:

>From this last point, we want to draw at least one conclusion: at the decline of a civilisation, it is the most inferior side of its tradition which persists the longest, in particular the ‘magical’ side, which, moreover, contributes to the complete ruin of the tradition by the deviations it gives rise to. This is said to be what happened with Atlantis. Magic is also the only immaterial thing of which the debris still survive from civilisations which have entirely ceased to function-witness the cases of Egypt, of Chaldea, even of Druidism; and no doubt the ‘fetishism’ of the negro peoples has a similar origin. Sorcery could be said to be made of the vestiges of dead civilisations. Is this why the serpent, in the most recent times, has hardly kept anything but its malefic character.

Guénon using such terms above as “negro fetishism” may sound a bit pompous and even racist at first consideration, but the point he is making, that such traditions are to be considered of vestiges of some higher religious systems and cultures that degraded over time when the “true knowledge” of the "true rites" was lost through some sort of Catasthrope.

Similar fate is awaiting for America, it may take few thousand or hundred years, but the continent itself will degrade similarily to those negroid cultures to extreme primitive fetishism, obea and voodoo etc. only time will tell. What we can be sure that the Maso-Judeo-Atlantis will end up in a catasthrope.

[Anonymous No.18381728]

>>18381336
I think at one point Evola, in "Revolt Against the Modern World", refers to American "Tradition" as anti-intellectual, and a refutation of the Rene Descartes maxim "I think, therefore I am," and is - instead - " I do not think, but still am." In many respects, without going into much detail, I am inclined to agree.

[Anonymous No.18381748]

Contrary to the Hyperboreans that derive from a masculine, Olympian and Uranian-solar nature, symbolized by the light of the black sun and the green ray of vril and other virile solar qualities, the southern races of Africa and Amazon are symbolized by the chaotic and Dionysian natures of mankind, earth-based pantheism (Mother Nature), predisposition to karmic law, darkness, femininity, and the moon. There is a sacred dualism between these two poles, a spiritual conflict between the Northern Light and the Southern Light, the former relating to the transcendent-solar Hyperborean-Aryan nature and the latter corresponding to the terrestrial-lunar Southern races.

The Negroid element now dominates the United States and even the Vatican (through their Pache Mama idol worship etc.)

Julius Evola viewed the Southern races as being from the dark side that possessed a “demonic” nature, describing them as being “archaic and matter-obsessed” who were predisposed to “sacerdotal and naturalistic-pantheist religions of promiscuous vegetal and animal fertility”. Evola relies on an ancient Aryo-Zoroastrian scripture that describes the origins of the Southern races, particularly the Negroid and Capoid races, through coition between a demon and a witch with mankind:
“Zohak, during his reign, let loose a dev (demon) on a young woman, and let loose a young man on a parik (witch). They performed coition with [the sight] of the apparition; the negro came into being through that [novel] kind of coition” (Bundahishn, XIVB).

It is also apparent from their use of Spiral symbols, the spiral triangle symbol and other negroid fetishistic imagery

Catastrophe struck the Atlantic continent and through a natural disaster, the land of the south was covered in ice and their civilization destroyed. The Southern races migrated northward and established early societies in modern-day South America, Central and Southern Africa, Australia, India, and various areas of Asia that were once interconnected. It is unknown if the Asiatics, particularly the modern-day Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese I believe this theory is quite plausible, since these Asiatic ethnicities are significantly dissimilar both genetically and spiritually to the Australoid, Negroid, and Capoid races.

But in America we find the most two most hostile currents united to the most loathsome degree - The Southern-South Pole Nature Worship combined with the dark sorcery of negroid black magicians of Atlantis (Voodoo, Obeah).

[Anonymous No.18381772]

>>18381336
america is the epitome of anti traditionalism

[Anonymous No.18381879]

>>18381682
>United States is a Masonic experience through and through. the United States of America has no ethno-nationalist identity. It was absolutely never meant to be that way. It was literally meant to be a giant Masonic experiment. Closest thing to any cohesive culture is that cohesion provided by Freemasonry and their stated ideals such as fraternity, equality, faith, hope, and charity, etc. and this is obvious even today. Of course such "high and lofty" ideals degenerate to something abominable such as LGBT rights and mutilation of the human gender.

Julius Evola also observed:

>“In a civilization where equality is the standard, where differences are not linked, where promiscuity is in favor, where the ancient idea of “being true to oneself’ means nothing anymore—in such a splintered and materialistic society, it is clear that this phenomenon of regression and homosexuality should be particularly welcome, and therefore it is in no way a surprise to see the alarming increase in homosexuality and the “third sex” in the latest “democratic” period, or an increase in sex changes to an extent unparalleled in other eras.”

It is still a Mystery which sort of Catasthrope waits the Ameri-Negroid-Transsexual-Atlantis

Is it a natural disaster: flood, earthquake, perhaps a meteor? Or total social disintegration and anarchy? Nuclear weapons by hostile invading powers?

Time will tell, but it will happen in a flash, not a slow disintegration.

>Hardly had the pinnacle of Atlas melted into the sea behind them, than the “catastrophe” occurred. The High House and the column beneath it, with all the inhabitants of Atlas, shot from the Earth with the vehemence of a million lightnings, bound for that green blaze of glory that scintillated in the West above the sunset.

Instantly the Earth, its god departed, gave itself up to anguish. The sea rushed unto the void of the column and in a thousand earthquakes Atlas, “houses” and plains together were overwhelmed forever in the ocean. Tidal waves rolled round the world; everywhere great floods carried away villages and towns; earthquakes rocked and tempest roared; tumult was triumphant. For years after the catastrophe the dying tremors of the Event still shook mankind with fear.[29] And the eternal waves of the great mother rolled over Atlas, save where Earth in her agony thrust up gaunt pinnacles, bare masts of wreckage to mark the vanished continent.

[Anonymous No.18381892]

American tradition is starting new religious movements/cults through having schizo auto-initiatory experiences to kick-off your fellowship. Start with the great awakening, then the Mormons, William James, Charles Manson.

[Anonymous No.18382298]

>>18381336
Has none. America is part of the west and the western tradition is lost.

[Anonymous No.18382304]

America is a revolutionary country. It doesn't have tradition

[Anonymous No.18382306]

>>18381516
Do mormons have metaphysics?

[Anonymous No.18382311]

>>18381336
>Broooo, life is like my video games, each country has its cultural category bro!!!!!!!!! THere's no nuance or anything bro1111!!!

[Anonymous No.18382312]

>>18381682
>America has no ethno-nationalist identity
Ethno nationalism wasn't even invented until after the American Revolution

[Anonymous No.18382414]

>>18381336
>From a /trad/ POV, what is the American tradition?
I'm not /trad/ but it's money and capitalism because the United States grew up on that basis. Americans are very pragmatic and they think of ideas much like commodities and try to pick and choose from the best according to their quality, whereas ideas and traditions in the old world would be seen as things that one cannot arbitrarily pick and choose.

We're just a country of used car salesman, and our dream is just a goal with a deadline. That's the double-whammy fulfillment you get when you sit inside this new car which everyone is going to see you driving. It's aspirational like that. If you have any objections, well, from our perspective, those objections are just requests for further information and we're happy to help.

*dangles car keys*

[Anonymous No.18383004]

>>18381336
See The House of Seven Gables

[Anonymous No.18383061]

>>18381693
>>18381682
finally a thorough elaboration of the mutt's law

[Anonymous No.18383070]

>>18381336
read Tocqueville before reading Guenon faggot

[Anonymous No.18383074]

>>18381336
Guenon considered all forms of protestantism to be anti-traditional. Also, he had a bad opinion about the "discovery" of americas. That being said, there is no "american tradition", everyting traditional in that land comes from the native indians.

[Anonymous No.18383305]

Televangelists and McDonalds

[Anonymous No.18383434]

>>18381522
The best evidence for it relies upon computer analysis that excludes things personally written by Joseph Smith. Which makes the studies very poor, when Mormons ran the same computer tests but included Smith it concluded that there was no way to tell if Smith or Spalding-Rigdon wrote it.

Tbh I think its just they had a similar style.

Also Rigdon denied it strenuously at the time.

[Anonymous No.18383467]

>>18381336
Amerika is the cancerous moloch of the counter-initiation

[Anonymous No.18383487]

>>18381336
It doesn’t exist. America is a spawn of the Enlightenment and Revolution.

[Anonymous No.18383814]

WASP culture.

[Anonymous No.18383822]

>>18383814
Literally what Guenon disliked the most kek

[Anonymous No.18384228]

>>18381336
Tax evasion

[Anonymous No.18384364]

>>18381464
You're genuinely braindead lol

[Anonymous No.18384417]

It's the "far west" cit.

[Anonymous No.18384422]

>>18381464
Freemasonry is unironically the American Tradition

[Anonymous No.18384475]

>>18381336
>the tradition of the British Clown?
Yeah, exactly.

[Anonymous No.18385080]

>>18381484
>what IS the American tradition
quim

[Anonymous No.18385546]

>>18381707
just to clarify, "fetish" in a magical context is very different from the colloquial use of the term. a magical fetish is a man-made magical object that can exert power over others

[Anonymous No.18387274]

>>18381598
Uk where to get the full tranlsation of America Against AmericA?

[Anonymous No.18387799]

>>18381516
Mormons teach that God is a created being who started out as a man, and, if you're a good little Mormon, you too can become a god of your very own planet/solar system/universe/whatever. That alone is enough to dismiss Mormonism. Mormonism falls under the umbrella of unconscious satanism.

[Anonymous No.18387821]

>>18387799
>Mormons teach that God is a created being who started out as a man
who/what is the godhead then? do they even have a concept of that? what made the cosmos for them?

[Anonymous No.18388385]

>>18387821
Mormons use the term "godhead" to describe a divine council consisting of God the Father/Elohim, Jesus/Jehovah, and the Holy Spirit. Mormons consider them to be separate beings entirely, with Jesus and the Holy Spirit (along with all of humanity and the angels) being the spirit sons of the Father and the heavenly mother(s). Jesus/Jehovah is the first born spirit son of Elohim and the Holy spirit is a sort of (currently) unmanifested spirit and agent of Elohim.

>what made the cosmos for them?
Mormons don’t believe in creation ex nihilo. In fact, Mormonism reject the idea that god can create ex nihilo entirely; the cosmos has always existed in some form or another.

The extent of Elohim’s dominion isn’t very clear. His dominion could be restricted to the earth, but he could also be the ruler of the entire universe. Whatever the case, Elohim himself is the spirit son of another god and one of his wives and existed somewhere else as a flesh and blood man before his exaltation. That god is the spirit son of another god who is the spirit son of another god, etc; it’s exalted men all the way down. Mormons don’t believe in a supreme uncreated creator

It was Jesus/Jehovah, under the guidance of Elohim and with the help of Elohim’s other spirit children, created Elohim’s dominion out of preexisting matter.

Mormons don't like admitting it, but they're polytheist and have a view of God that is incompatible with Christianity (and the other Abrahamic religions, for that matter).

This cartoon is a pretty accurate portrayal of what Mormons believe: https://youtu.be/n3BqLZ8UoZk

[Anonymous No.18388478]

>>18382306
Yes
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_cosmology

[Anonymous No.18388541]

>>18388385
I should also add that Mormon doctrine is very fluid and Mormons love lying about what their church teaches.

From Smith’s King Follet sermon:

>God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make himself visible—I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form—like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another.

>In order to understand the subject of the dead, for consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how He came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see.

>These ideas are incomprehensible to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did; and I will show it from the Bible.

>You ask the learned doctors why they say the world was made out of nothing, and they will answer, “Doesn’t the Bible say he created the world?” And they infer, from the word create, that it must have been made out of nothing. Now, the word create came from the word baurau, which does not mean to create out of nothing; it means to organize; the same as a man would organize materials and build a ship. Hence we infer that God had materials to organize the world out of chaos—chaotic matter, which is element, and in which dwells all the glory. Element had an existence from the time He had. The pure principles of element are principles which can never be destroyed; they may be organized and re-organized, but not destroyed. They had no beginning and can have no end.

https://abn.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1971/04/the-king-follett-sermon?lang=eng

[Anonymous No.18388666]

>>18381336
Apple pie.

[Anonymous No.18388682]

>>18381336
1. The Bible
2. White People
3. The Constitution
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0W1v0kOELA&ab_channel=MusiCXaXMusiCXaX

[Anonymous No.18388799]

>tradition peaked around the 13th century

[Anonymous No.18389130]

https://umarrumi.wordpress.com/2020/12/14/perennialism-and-kuffars-salvation-from-rene-guenon-to-the-neo-azhari-uae-project/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

>Guenon BTFOd by Traditional Islam

[Anonymous No.18389211]

>>18388385
>>18388541
Wow, mormons are far more crazy than how South Park wants you to believe. This is Scientology level of schizo.

[Anonymous No.18389351]

>>18381336

[Anonymous No.18389438]

>>18389211
And like Scientologist, they constantly lie and play semantics about what they believe. Ask a Mormon if he believes in multiple gods and he'll respond by telling you they only worship the one god, conveniently not answering the question and admitting that yes, they do in fact believe in the existence of many gods. And when that doesn't work, they'll start cherry-picking verses from the Bible to poorly justify the things they believe.

Mormons also believe in a little thing called blood atonement, which is why Utah is one of the only states that allows execution by firing squad and is the only state to actually perform execution by firing squad in recent history.

>The doctrines of the Church affirm that the Atonement wrought by the shedding of the blood of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is efficacious for the sins of all who believe, repent, are baptized by one having authority, and receive the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands. However, if a person thereafter commits a grievous sin such as the shedding of innocent blood, the Savior's sacrifice alone will not absolve the person of the consequences of the sin. Only by voluntarily submitting to whatever penalty the Lord may require can that person benefit from the Atonement of Christ.

https://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Blood_Atonement

[Anonymous No.18389660]

Just as the eartquake shook Utah in 2020 and the trumpet dropped from the hands of the Angel Moroni that is situated on the The Salt Lake Temple (probably the most famous of LDS temples)

It heralded extreme social chaos during summer (corona restriction and BLM riots, Trump losing, storming of the Capitol etc) in America. It certainly was as if the fifth trumpet had sounded for American continent.

Seems like few people are here divided arguing which one between Freemasonry and Mormonism is being the authentic "American tradition", while ignoring the fact that Joseph Smith was a Masonic family which lived by and practiced the tenets Freemasonry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Freemasonry

I think even Guénon explores this fact in his writings. The highest grades or well, organizational structure in Mormonism is also extremely similar to Masonry and it perhaps is/was a certain Masonic reconstruction of Christianity in an American setting. Also the masonic elements in Temple ceremonies of Mormons. It is interesting to note that many high level U.S Politicians are Mormons, but this just might be a statistical reality of the popularity of Mormons in America.

Poetic description of Josepth Smith and the revelation of angel Moroni:
>And then she saw that from this
man's brain issued phantoms like pigeons. They were neither Red Indians nor
Israelites, yet they had something of each in their bearing. And these poured like
smoke from the head of this little man. In his hand was a book, and he held it over his
head. And the book itself was guarded by an angelic figure whose face was extraordinarily stern and unbeautiful, but who scattered with wide hands the wealth of life, children, and corn, and gold. And behind all these things was a great multitude; and about them were the
symbolic forms of exile and death and every persecution, and the hideous
laughter of triumphant enemies. All this seemed to weigh heavily upon the little man that had created it; Iliel thought that he was seeking incarnation for the sake of its forgetfulness. Yet the light in his eyes was so pure and noble and magnetic that it might have been that he saw in a new birth the chance to repair his error.

The Last Trumpet has sounded. Doom over America.

[Anonymous No.18389681]

Just as the eartquake shook Utah in 2020 and the trumpet dropped from the hands of the Angel Moroni that is situated on the top of The Salt Lake Temple (probably the most famous of LDS temples)

It heralded extreme social chaos during summer (corona restriction and BLM riots, Trump losing the election, storming of the capitol etc.) in America. It certainly was as if the fifth trumpet had sounded for the American continent.

Seems like people in this thread are divided arguing which one between Freemasonry and Mormonism is being the authentic representative of the so-called "American tradition", while ignoring the fact that Joseph Smith himself was from a Masonic family which lived by and practiced the tenets Freemasonry
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Freemasonry

I think even Guénon explores this fact in his writings. The highest grades, or well, organizational structure, in Mormonism is also extremely similar to Masonry and it perhaps is/was a certain Masonic reconstruction of Christianity in an American setting. Also considering the masonic elements in Temple ceremonies of Mormons. It is interesting to note that many high level U.S Politicians are Mormons, but this just might be a statistical reality of the popularity of Mormons in America.

Poetic description of Josepth Smith and the revelation of angel Moroni:
>And then she saw that from this man's brain issued phantoms like pigeons. They were neither Red Indians nor Israelites, yet they had something of each in their bearing. And these poured like smoke from the head of this little man. In his hand was a book, and he held it over his head. And the book itself was guarded by an angelic figure whose face was extraordinarily stern and unbeautiful, but who scattered with wide hands the wealth of life, children, and corn, and gold. And behind all these things was a great multitude; and about them were the symbolic forms of exile and death and every persecution, and the hideous laughter of triumphant enemies. All this seemed to weigh heavily upon the little man that had created it; Iliel thought that he was seeking incarnation for the sake of its forgetfulness. Yet the light in his eyes was so pure and noble and magnetic that it might have been that he saw in a new birth the chance to repair his error.

Soon the last trumpets will sound the wrath is poured upon the desolate continent. Doom over America (and that's a good thing).

[Anonymous No.18389718]

>>18385546

Yes, but you don't seem to understand the magical realities and symbolism these objects represent.

While the Obelisk of Washington is white, we must understand the axiom of the mystery schools "Osiri IS a black god" and what does the concept of "BBC" represent to the American subconsciousness and psyche.

Negro fetishism in this context does not mean some magical charms of African medicine men, but rather, the inner longings and lusting of (white) American women

All prejudice, all superstition, dead tradition - and ancestral loathing and slavery, all combined in the subconscious of white American women under the figure of "BBC", like a forbidden fruit, but which is now through Kanye West and other chocolate-Jesus idols such as George Floyd accepted to eat.

>Guénon did not mean that thing!

But he did.

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>>18381336
>From a /trad/ POV, what is the American tradition?
Enlightenment liberalism. America is an anti-traditional experiment.

[Anonymous No.18389929]

Most European nations are anti-tradition since they are post-Enlightenment liberal states. If you want tradition go to the Ganges or some African hut and stop LARPing in the comfort of anti-trad material developments.

[Anonymous No.18389937]

>>18381336
American traditionalism is the traditionalism of the Old South. Agrarian, aristocratic, anti-materialistic, spiritual, highly decentralized(states rights = medieval feudal law)

Read Richard B. Weaver and Eugene Genovese, off the top of my head.

"I am an aristocrat. I love liberty. I hate equality."
-John Randolph of Roanoke

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>>18381336
>What is the American Tradition?
Nobody knows.

[Anonymous No.18390316]

>>18389929
The concept of “nation” itself is a modernist invention of the 19th century. “Trad nationalists” do not see the irony in this self-monikor.

However, europeans are heirs of premodern tradition, no need to go to “some african hut”. It is our dignity as humans created in the image of God that we have the freedom to say “yes” or “no” to the circumstances around us.

>Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

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>>18390316
>cuckstianity
Not trad. European IE paganism is traditional.

[Anonymous No.18390324]

>>18390320
>European IE paganism
LARP.

[Anonymous No.18390331]

>>18381336
pic related the only correct answer. Leaves of Grass alone advanced human culture by one giant step, and reverting back to primitive religious categories as you do when dicksucking Evola and Guenon in the utter loneliness of some suburb in Colorado is an insult to yourself, your country and humanity as a whole. Please stop reading these boring, surpassed, badly researched books by pseudo-philosophers.

[Anonymous No.18390336]

>LARP.

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>>18390331
Is that Marx?

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>>18390320
>>18390324
turning trad into a modern game of identity politics. cringe. Tradition is perennial. guenon thought the semitic religions had continuity with the primordial tradition, testified by the investiture of melchizedek in gen 14. there’s a chapter on it in the king of the world.

[Anonymous No.18390369]

Guenon was Jewish btw.

[Anonymous No.18390370]

>>18381336
Americans have no tradition and will be absorbed by new Aztecs (Mexicans) by the centuries end

[Anonymous No.18390371]

>>18390336
seethe harder. No one knows what “indo-european paganism” is, it’s was a highly speculative field of academic reconstruction in the twentieth century that is not taken seriously anymore.

[Anonymous No.18390376]

>>18390369
BASED

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>>18390370
Fine by me!

[Anonymous No.18390391]

>>18390370
Arent some schools in California already adopting a curriculum that focuses on Mayan/Aztec religion?

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>>18389718
>>18389718

Get help.

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>>18390370
Cool

[Anonymous No.18390731]

>>18381451
>recommending Jefferson over Hamilton
now I know you're a midwit

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>>18390370
based, astec tradition is kino

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>>18389718
holy fucking shit anon you seriously need to take a break from the internet

[Anonymous No.18391302]

>>18389718
From Evola's letters to Guénon:
>The Negroid sperm has some animalistic magical potency inherent in it which cannot be baulked; thus we see the subconscious longing of white virginal European women lusting after the African male. In a same fashion, the Greeks talked of the Minotaur which is a mythological creature which is half bull and half man. The aim of the priests of that cult seems principally to have been the production of a temporary incarnation of this beast by sending selected women of the community every year into the jungle/forest to mingle with all the imaginable bestial creatures thus to produce a miraculous birth upon returning to the community.

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>>18391302
Is Evola right though? And if you disagree: why deny the simply facts of life?

I think even Freud agreed that women lust for high quality DNA seed both consciously and subconsciously, it is hardwired in their DNA, all about trying to make the offspring as high quality as possible. White societies and predominatly white countries have always kept women on a leash through monogamy. Women hate monogamy and must be brainwashed to accept it.

Then the sexual revolution occured and women could sleep around with any men they chose, instead of some balding manlet wageslave. Sexual Revolution 2.0 will be women embracing BBC, you guys always deny this or pretend it's only a cucks fantasy, but the amount of amatuer BBC porn coming from america is astounding. Blacked is accounting for less than 1% off all interracial videos, that are amatuer and not even filmed for profit. You guys have no idea how many attractive 20'something white women, not fat, not ugly, are going exclusively black. And this is only the beginning.

[Anonymous No.18391311]

>>18389718
>>18391308
C.G Jung's observations concerning America:
>Another thing that struck me [in the American] was the great influence of the Negro, a psychological influence naturally, not due to the mixing of blood. The emotional way an American expresses himself, especially the way he laughs, can best be studied in the illustrated supplements of the American papers; the inimitable Teddy Roosevelt laugh is found in its primordial form in the American Negro. The peculiar walk with loose joints, or the swinging of the hips so frequently observed in Americans, also comes from the Negro.[3] American music draws its main inspiration from the Negro, and so does the dance. The expression of religious feeling, the revival meetings, the Holy Rollers and other abnormalities are strongly influenced by the Negro. The vivacity of the average American, which shows itself not only at baseball games but quite particularly in his extraordinary love of talking – the ceaseless gabble of American papers is an eloquent example of this – is scarcely to be derived from his Germanic forefathers, but is far more like the chattering of a Negro village. The almost total lack of privacy and the all-devouring mass sociability remind one of primitive life in open huts, where there is complete identity with all members of the tribe.

Do you agree with Jung? Most Americans, especially the WASPs, seem to think of themselves as some sort of representatives of their European forefathers on the new continent. This is prevalent mostly among the types we cannot classify as the so-called fifty-sixters or 'mutts' in general, but who by their physical charasteristics closely resemble traditional caucasoids. But further observation and examination of this so-called "white bastion" proves quite otherwise.

We could take Donald Trump as an example. Werner Sombart noted about Americans once: "they mistake bigness for greatness". Now, this trait is not found in all non-European peoples or peoples of color, especially those who have retained their Tradition. For example, an authentic Arab of the old race, a redskin Indian, an East Asian are not overly impressed by merely material, quantitative, ostentatious size, including that related to machinery, technology and the economy, or the size of the Trump Tower (apart, of course, from already Americanized individuals). It is a trait found only in truly primitive and childish races like the Negro. It is no exaggeration to assert that the foolish pride of Americans in spectacular “bigness,” in the “achievements” of their civilization, reek of the Negro psyche. Donald Trump, is essentially a white negroid. His whole stature, mindset and even the way he speaks reeks of the Negro mindset; "Big is good. Go big or go home. Big is great." and this also shows the absurdity of how most WASPs in America think of their identity as "white", even though sociological, psychoanalytical and even traditional observers all disagree.

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>>18391311
Seething

[Anonymous No.18391430]

>american tradition
>american culture

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>>18391422
>Donald Trump gets mentioned as a sidenote
>SEETHE COPE DILATOR!!! SEETHE COPEdilatE!!!

Kill yourself you mentally ill Magafuck

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>>18390331
This is a part of the answer. The entire Transcendentalist movement RW Emerson started with "Nature" is arguably the first authentically American metaphysical school (although it's deeply reliant on Platonism/Vedanta). Whitman was the first, however, to actually live up to what Emerson was suggesting people do and write his own Scripture. Pic Related goes into detail on it.
(also, look into Mel Lyman if you want to see the Yang to Charles Manson's yin)

[Anonymous No.18391943]

Yes. God save the Queen

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>>18391308
What the fuck are you talking about. Go touch some grass or climb a tree dude.

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>>18390731
Hamilton is kind of a prissy faggot but he has his moments. Adams is a Chad though, his writings are excellent practical revivals of classical republicanism and conservative sensibility.

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>>18389438
>Ask a Mormon if he believes in multiple gods and he'll respond by telling you they only worship the one god, conveniently not answering the question and admitting that yes, they do in fact believe in the existence of many gods.
I'm not a Mormon (I've always had a deep distrust of them, actually) but trinitarians are also living in a glass house as far as I'm concerned. They have entire fields of metaphysical hair-splitting devoted to validating the trinity.

[Anonymous No.18392409]

America was born in enlightenment ideals after the traditional world was mostly dead, embracing an ideal that wanted tradition dead. The only way for america forward is not going back to some specific tradition because it lacks any. Better seek tradition at it's core and forge a new one.

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>>18391302
>>18391308
>>18391311
These are the bait posts

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>>18391311
>, seem to think of themselves as some sort of representatives of their European forefathers
>some sort of representatives
no, we have surpassed the lowly europoors. we are a new race. a higher race.