/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18419521]

Is literature over? Has everything worth writing already been written?

[Anonymous No.18419534]

There is exactly one book left to complete the canon and it will be written by a Swiss homosexual.

[Anonymous No.18419594]

>>18419534
Where in Switzerland do you live?

[Anonymous No.18419609]

>>18419594
Masshaimitzschenkirchen

[Anonymous No.18419618]

No. That's not how writing works. Good, timeless writing comes from individuals. People have always wrote about the same general themes or subjects, such as love, war, revenge, death, but it always comes out different depending on the individual mind of the writer. Just write what you genuinely believe and you will be ahead of 99% of everyone else.

[Anonymous No.18419714]

There will be endless demand for more and more niche coom-lit.

[Anonymous No.18419874]

>>18419618
>>18419521
When we get too agi with gpt-4, every possible good books will be generated by an ai in a few second, and nothing written by humans will be canon worthy so you have a few years to add to the canon, after that it will be too late.
Good luck anon.

[Anonymous No.18419916]

>>18419534
Can't wait for Sven Epiney's autobiography

[Anonymous No.18420032]

>>18419874
lul. Ai can probably write great genre fiction, but it will never have a proper understanding of the human condition. It can only, at best, simulate it and manipulate tropes in a flashy way like a magic trick. Good writing is about connection, understanding, emotions. You can feel in your bones when something is authentic, and there is no substitute for the human soul. With how soulless culture and most people are today, I bet AI will write things that will impress them and it will fill their soulless needs for simulated culture. But you shouldn't be championing this.

[Anonymous No.18420038]

>>18420032
well if *you* say so

[Anonymous No.18420062]

>>18419521
No. We live in a repeat of 25,000 BC with hyper feminity matriarchy globalhomo but now with technology. Someone could write the next 1984 with our current projection.

[Anonymous No.18420086]

>>18420032
If it can write a "shakespeare novel tm' that could pass as a lost work, which it will be able to do eventually.

[Anonymous No.18420116]

>>18420032
Btw the way i work at deep mind and worked for open ai too, so i know what i'm talking about.

[Anonymous No.18420177]

>>18420032
>You can feel in your bones when something is authentic
Like those romantics did with Ossian.

[Anonymous No.18420199]

>>18419521
lit ended with homer, unironically

[Anonymous No.18420486]

>>18419521
No, look at Rising of the Shield Hero, Everyone likes large chests, and Larry Correia.

[Anonymous No.18420495]

I dont think so. there are still niche taboo topics that can stand to be written about more

[Anonymous No.18421108]

>>18419521
If it has, it was all written 1700 years ago, but since I've enjoyed stuff since, I'd say no.

[Anonymous No.18421162]

It might be for now, and that's fine.
There's already so much that it would be no great loss if another great book were not to be written for a century or more.

[Anonymous No.18421343]

>>18419534
imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.18422458]

>>18420199
you know greek?

[Anonymous No.18422466]

>>18419521
No. A real urban masterpiece hasn't been written yet. Think schizos/plebs/dumb ignorant nigga moments with good prose.

[Anonymous No.18422467]

>>18419521
no its not over im just too lazy to make the next step

[Anonymous No.18422477]

>>18422467
>>18422467
Gotta put in the work anon. At this point, it hurts to not write, it hurts also to write. Everything hurts. Too pussy to kms, also wouldn't want my family to find me dead. What else is there to do but write. Maybe read.

[Anonymous No.18422498]

>>18422466
Kind of like Suttree but in a city. Not near a fucking river. Probably from someone who is from there. Not some interloper like Suttree.

[Anonymous No.18422545]

>>18419521
What? There are only like 10 good books

[Anonymous No.18422559]

While there are only 37 basic plotlines or whatever, there are still many symbolic tapestries yet to be woven. There are hundreds of themes and motifs not touched upon. There is much left to be said.

For instance, how about a psychedelic tale that dips into the realm of abstract or dreamscape that encapsulates connectivity, interdependence, rebirth, and redemption with a coherent message behind it all.

Or how about a Indian Myth inspired Dystopian novel that exemplifies death, totality and knowledge...

Possibilities while not perhaps endless, are quite numerous.

[Anonymous No.18422562]

>>18419594
epic

[Anonymous No.18422567]

>>18420032
this guy doesn't realize every great work of fiction since the 1990s has been written by AI

[Anonymous No.18422592]

>>18422567
That's why everything past that year is shit

[Anonymous No.18422595]

> Is literature over?
no
> Has everything worth writing already been written?
no

[Anonymous No.18422597]

>>18422567
>every great work of fiction since the 1990s
care to extrapolate?

[Anonymous No.18422604]

>>18420177
ossian was a genuinely good epic poem despite being a fraud, and it was written by a human. entirely different situation

[Anonymous No.18422639]

>>18422597
no

[Anonymous No.18422653]

>>18419521
I have yet to write a book

[Anonymous No.18422763]

>>18419521
The one and only work of literature ever having been worth its writing and being read is the Holy Bible.

[Anonymous No.18423837]

>>18422604
>if you change the word it makes sense
as brilliant an insight every time

[Anonymous No.18423852]

The novel was solved in 1922
Everything since has just been fappery

[Anonymous No.18423930]

It died when DFW died

[Anonymous No.18423964]

>>18423852
the diary is still unsolved desu

[Anonymous No.18424057]

>>18419521
the only thing worth reading these days are 4chan posts.

[Anonymous No.18424077]

>>18419521
no. i am writing the next masterpiece of the 21st century as we speak. nothing personnel, kid

[Anonymous No.18424214]

>>18419594
kek

[Anonymous No.18424228]

So I will be very happy if you don't post here Butterfly, just don't even come on the site so you aren't tempted :3

The side quest would be for you to wear your collar in real life. I would appreciate that too

[Anonymous No.18424229]

>>18419714
what happens after that?

[Anonymous No.18424795]

>>18423852
Fapperies Wake

[Anonymous No.18426307]

why do people who hate literature spend their time on a literature board

[Anonymous No.18426933]

>>18422559
>Or how about a Indian Myth inspired Dystopian novel that exemplifies death, totality and knowledge...
This reminds me of the desert area in the video game Remnant From the Ashes

[Anonymous No.18426966]

>>18419874
>>18420032
AI won't need to get better, human beings are just getting stupider and fucking stupider, with lower and lower standards. You could already have an AI shit out a waifushit manga and generate stupid waifushit drawings if you bothered feeding it the last five or six years or waifushit manga. It's so formulaic and horribly written yet people gobble it like hot cakes.
All it takes is someone to be brave enough to lower the bar another notch.

[Anonymous No.18427007]

>>18419521
Literally has been an obsolete medium ever since sound was added to film.

[Anonymous No.18427395]

>>18427007
>watching talkies

[Anonymous No.18427476]

>>18419534
Don't listen to what this Swiss homosexual has to say

[Anonymous No.18427483]

>>18419521
It was over when Quijote was written and no novel came close
(LoL I haven't read it lmao)

[Anonymous No.18427518]

I think there is a problem with the amount of possibilities an author can create regarding topics like love, relationships, good vs evil, success etc. You can see a lot of repeated tropes in fantasy, for example.

[Anonymous No.18427548]

Art and philosophy have been exhausted
only science remains

[Anonymous No.18427594]

>>18419521
I finished The Magus today and it was terrible. Wonderful writing that amounted to a disaster of a novel. Like a skilled artist who paints horrible art with incredible technique.

I also read after finishing “The Idiot” that Dostoevsky considered it a failure in the sense of executing the ideas and themes he intended (even though it was an excellent book).

So even if there aren’t original ideas (which I disagree with), the ideas from these books which were failures can be tried again and done successfully by new authors which I think is interesting and worth writing.

[Anonymous No.18427608]

>>18427594
quality answer

[Anonymous No.18427634]

>>18427594
>I finished The Magus today and it was terrible. Wonderful writing that amounted to a disaster of a novel. Like a skilled artist who paints horrible art with incredible technique.
i agree, pure horseshit, but i also had a great time reading it all and would definitely do it again somewhere down the line. do you consider it time wasted?

why does "hmm really makes you think" always trump the aesthetic experience on a fucking literature board of all places, feels like a very reddit mindset

[Anonymous No.18427689]

>>18419534
>>18419594
>>18419609
My body is ready.

[Anonymous No.18427706]

>>18419534
Is this the /lit/ version of /x/'s The Nobody.

[Anonymous No.18427733]

>>18424229
presumably depression lit, but just for a little while.

[Anonymous No.18427740]

>>18427706
>/x/'s The Nobody
spoonfeed pl0x

[Anonymous No.18427747]

>>18427634
>why does "hmm really makes you think" always trump the aesthetic experience on a fucking literature board
it didn't use to be that way

[Anonymous No.18427774]

>>18427634
I definitely wouldn’t consider it wasted time because I loved reading it, but I also wouldn’t read it again. I would have a hard time recommending it too since it all becomes so frustrating at the end. At the very least it did make me fall in love with Greece (if it’s really anything like Fowles describes it).

I hear you about the aesthetic experience versus “really makes you think”. I figure it’s because you can discuss the ideas presented in the latter without having read the book, but aesthetic value is something you have to experience. Let’s be real, almost none of the people posting in threads have read the topic of the threads- they just want to share their opinions. It is what it is, I still love /lit/.

[Anonymous No.18428848]

>>18427740
>/x/philes conjure up this character known as the The Nobody who is hunted by the illuminati / overarching conspiracy organization for his extraordinary psychic powers
>The Nobody is an /x/ browser that doesn't realize he's The Nobody
>many anons claim to be him, others worship him as the savior
It's like if /lit/ prophesized an anon to be the chosen one who would save contemporary literature.

[Anonymous No.18428934]

>>18419618
How do I find genuine things to write about? If I don't have anything to say should I just not write? Or is authenticity something I can cultivate with skill?

[Anonymous No.18429032]

>>18419521
No its far from over, but everything worth reading has been made and extrapolating further makes trying to understand anything worse. Just going to write short stories that's the only thing worth writing anymore if they're good

[Anonymous No.18430524]

>>18420486
>Rising of the Shield Hero

is it good?
looked a bit silly to me

[Anonymous No.18430540]

>>18427548
New sciences make a change to every day life and with that comes new philosophy and as such, new art.

[Anonymous No.18430594]

>>18428934
Just do it like everybody else and write a novel about your own life experiences, like a stylizied diary.

[Anonymous No.18430986]

>>18419521
Is it bad to use a lot of semicolons in your prose? I used to use a lot of comma splices in my prose due to my shitty schools that didn't correct us for it, so now that I know the sin of that, I've switched to using semicolons in place of those commas...but there's so many in my prose. Usually 7-10 per a page minimum; which is apparently a writing sin to most of the writing community. Must I stop? I don't like using periods unless it's to end a complete thought; the fullstop of it really fucks with the flow I have going on in my head; which is why I vastly prefer abusing commas (or semicolons now in this case)

[Anonymous No.18431015]

>>18430986
>The writer is in a permanent predicament when it comes to punctuation marks; if one were fully aware while writing, one would sense the impossibility of ever using a mark of punctuation correctly and would give up writing altogether. For the requirements of the rules of punctuation and those of the subjective need for logic and expression are not compatible: in punctuation marks the check the writer draws on language is refused payment. The writer cannot trust in the rules, which are often rigid and crude; nor can he ignore them without indulging in a kind of eccentricity and doing harm to their nature by calling attention to what inconspicuous — and inconspicuousness is what punctuation lives by. The conflict must be endured each time, and one needs either a lot of strength or a lot of stupidity not to lose heart. At best one can advise that punctuation marks be handled the way musicians handle forbidden chord progressions and incorrect voice-leading. In every act of punctuation, as in every such musical cadence, one can tell whether there is an intention or whether it is pure sloppiness. To put it more subtly, one can sense the difference between a subjective will that brutally demolishes the rules and a tactful sensitivity that allows the rules to echo in the background even where it suspends them.

[Anonymous No.18431071]

>>18422567
>>18422639
This guy knows. This guy knows...

[Anonymous No.18431943]

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