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18481167 No.18481167 [DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

His writings are wrong about everything and he's only influential because of literal Jewish nepotism

>> No.18481170

>>18481167
>he's only influential because of literal Jewish nepotism
Proofs?

>> No.18481175

>>18481167
>lmao sex dude, sex, you heard me? S E X
>influential because of Jews
Yeah, pretty much

>> No.18481180

>>18481167
>His writings are wrong about everything
False

>> No.18481187

>>18481175
>sex is a jewish thing
Stay cucked you chaste little altar boy

>> No.18481191

>>18481167
He was correct about the excess of repression being negative and the need to see sex as normal.

>> No.18481219

>>18481167
That doesn't really diminish his direct influence (or indirect via Lacan) on critical and feminist theory, especially concerning art/history. He's responsible for a sizeable chunk of the discourse today.

>> No.18481236

>>18481187
Degeneracy is pretty much a preferred kike subject; their unhealthy relationship with sex is evident at first glance. Your post is a great example of it.

>> No.18481252

>>18481187
Sex is a universal thing, and Jews are unironically prudish and ashamed of it; yet, the anon who replied to you is correct: they're the biggest promoters of degeneracy in non-Jewish groups. They act like kings who are happy to see their subjects live like pigs.

>> No.18481294

>>18481219
Yes, Jews are just as responsible for Weimerika as they were for Weimar.

>> No.18481307

/pol/ is leaking

>> No.18481311

>>18481252
Please define degeneracy

>> No.18481337

>>18481311
I'm not your dictionary

>> No.18481340

>>18481307
waaahh, my communist safe space is under attack.

>> No.18481362

>>18481191
I would prefer repression to the current trends of "normalisation" which is basically just an excuse for people to degrade themselves online.
Onlyfans and the like are consequence of normalising every thing sexual because you're scared of muh repressive 'handmaid's tale' society that was cooked up in some hollywood studio lmao.

>> No.18481375

>>18481191
he never said that lol.

Is so funny how people get ideas about Freud but never have read him.

>> No.18481387

>>18481337
I want to know what you mean when you say it, not the dictionary definition.

>>18481362
Onlyfans is a consequence of hoes being broke lol

>> No.18481417

>>18481387
then hoes are broker now than they were in the Great Depression? Yet there was nothing remotely comparable to OnlyFans in the 1930s. something must have changed in that time I wonder whatever it could be.

>> No.18481424

>>18481167
he was the last revolution of the collective mind

>> No.18481434

>>18481417
>Yet there was nothing remotely comparable to OnlyFans in the 1930s
>he doesn’t know
Anon, things were even worse than today in Weimar. Well, until something happened, that is.

>> No.18481438 [DELETED] 

>>18481375
How about you read him comprehensively instead of expecting him to have tweeted his otherwise well-known opinions on sexuality and repression. Start at the very beginning with his Charcot's writing, midwit.

>> No.18481463

>>18481375
How about you read him comprehensively instead of expecting him to have tweeted his otherwise well-known opinions on sexuality and repression?
Here:
>Freud taught that sexual repression was the chief psychological problem of mankind.
https://www.vision.org/biography-sigmund-freud-psychoanalysis-and-sexual-repression-388

Even better, start at the very beginning with his Charcot's writings and stop being a midwit.

>> No.18481494

>>18481191
Proof?

>> No.18481495

>>18481417
>Yet there was nothing remotely comparable to OnlyFans in the 1930s
Instead of selling photos, women were actually out on the streets selling their body.

>> No.18481502

>>18481362
>I would prefer repression to the current trends of "normalisation" which is basically just an excuse for people to degrade themselves online.
That's ironically a repressed view for the following reasons:
-you seem to cling to an either/or approach that seems to have been the result of indoctrination. You can and should manage sexuality without excesses;
-you assume that everyone who's sexually liberated "degrade themselves online";
-you assume you have a say on other people's sexuality.
The ubiquitousness of pornography is an outcome of technology and it does have negative aspects because everything in excess does, and it seems inevitable given the anything goes mindset, which was far from Freud's ideal expectations. Read Civilization and Its Discontents and keep in mind that you are the master of your behavior and desires.

>> No.18481508

>>18481463
>Freud taught that sexual repression was the chief psychological problem of mankind.
>He surmised that repression and constriction of sexual behavior in youth would become manifest in adulthood.

both statements are reductive and inexact , Thats the interpretation of whoever wrote that article about Freud that looks like the pop stereotypes about Freud.

The issue is more complex than that, and Freud knew it , read "Civilization and Its Discontents".

>> No.18481509

>>18481494
Incest, sexual abuse, rape either as fantasies or behavior are the outcome of excessive repression and a dour view of sexuality/nudity. Likewise neuroses etc etc.

>> No.18481525

>>18481509
People have been doing that, or thinking about that since forever. with or without repression. Mongols raped half of the world.

>> No.18481526

>>18481509
>someone asks for proof
>he doubles down on baseless claims
so this is the real power of psychoanalysis...

>> No.18481531

>>18481463
Sexual repression is literally healthy and Freud knew it. He knew how wicked the will is and that it is only through their sacrifice that we can live without a sadean dystopia.

>> No.18481539

>>18481526
That's what idiots assume: proof will be handed them on a plate as if they were tendies. The correlation between repression and rape is not hard to find if you learn to use google. Start comparing the rape stats in the US and Europe, for instance.

>> No.18481542

>>18481509
Wait, wasn't incest a natural desire occurring precisely before the figure of the father, castration, etc.?

>> No.18481547

>>18481531
>Sexual repression is literally healthy and Freud knew it
Oh my sides

>> No.18481549

>They do not realize, but we are bringing them the plague
t. Freud, to Jung, on the boat to America (related by Lacan)

What the FUCK did he mean by this?

>> No.18481555

>>18481525
Freud was a thinker of modern life, not a historian.

>> No.18481559

>>18481539
>Start comparing the rape stats in the US and Europe, for instance
Now divide them up by race.

>> No.18481572

>>18481547
You are so retarded you ignore what Freud was right about and affirm what contradicts his own theses.

>> No.18481577

>>18481542
Impulse and behavior differ. Literal incest is a subset of rape/abuse made worse by strict, stifling sexual repression. Incest as fantasy is the result of objectifying siblings/parents etc instead of being allowed to express one's sexuality in the world at large.

>> No.18481580

>>18481539
>repression
You can’t quantify repression you stupid fuck. I can’t believe you have the gall to be this much of a retard and still act like you know shit

>> No.18481583

>>18481572
Pls never talk about stuff you know nothing about ever again.

>> No.18481597

>people still defend Freud
kek

>> No.18481600

>>18481509
But, then, once again, I ask you: proof?

>> No.18481602

>>18481508
Template reddit evasive content-free reply. Ofc it's reductive, these are general comments on a board. His books are available for reading ub depth, which you'd do well to start doing instead of pretending to have done so.

>> No.18481603

>>18481583
>>18481577
Just fuck off with your unfounded reichian sybaritic delusions

>> No.18481622

>>18481559
Kek.

>> No.18481625

>>18481539
>an entire continent with completely different demographics and political circumstances has different rape rates(which are themselves subject to different measuring methods) therefore this proves that repression causes rape even though I can't measure repression in the first place and countless other factors could be involved
There is a vanishingly small chance you have anything worth listening to if you honestly think something this stupid. This is beyond like an honest mistake, it's straight up brain dead

>> No.18481676

>>18481603
Settle down, Muhammad. Make peace with your physiology. Also, next time actually do read before commenting.

>> No.18481686
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18481686

>>18481167
Freud was good at analyzing and describing the mind of neurotic kikes. If you want to understand the psyche of an Aryan, read Jung.

>> No.18481694

>>18481686
>implying the people here aren't all cripplingly neurotic

>> No.18481701
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18481701

>>18481694
True. But does it have to be this way?

>> No.18481715

>>18481701
No, but that's how it is. Reading Jung won't change the psychology of a disaffected white guy, it'll just get him into tarot cards and shit.

>> No.18481718

>>18481715
Reading turned me more neurotic, if anything.

>> No.18481736

>>18481362
It's the reverse. Half-baked feminism is used to cushion the psychological blow of degrading yourself for cash. Refigure exploitation as empowerment and - abracadabra! - you have an expanded sector of social activity from which to extract profit. The pretense is so faint, it isn't even thin.

>> No.18481742

>>18481417
>Yet there was nothing remotely comparable to OnlyFans in the 1930s
I believe it was called the 'brothel'.

>> No.18481772

>>18481742
No no sex work didnt exist until black pimps started putting girls on the street in the 70s!

>> No.18481801

>>18481772
Americans like to imagine the Old West as represented by John Wayne. In school they never learn about the guys with names like Big Cheddar who strutted around California in furs and sold Chinese women to gold panners.

>> No.18482039

>>18481580
You can objectively assess average values and norms but it doesn't surprise me you're too dim to get that by yourself.

>> No.18482071
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18482071

schopenhauer says the will is sexual drive
>Oh my god based based based he's literally right about everything
freud analyzes everything in terms of sexual repression
>uh im pretty sure this is degeneracy, also this is literally weimar and you know what comes after that teehee... I will get to be in charge of repressing all the sluts yes mmmm
You fuckers keep proving them right

>> No.18482076

>>18481167
Fuck you are dumb

>> No.18482088

>>18482071
Where does Schopenhauer say the will is sexual drive? Also vague metaphysical claims like that are not the same as claiming that practically everything about human psychology is about sex.

>> No.18482090

>>18482071
>schopenhauer says the will is sexual drive
No he doesn't.

>> No.18482097

>>18482071
so stupid and wrong. read and book. nvm you're too retarded just go back to buck break posting on /tv/.

>> No.18482113

>>18482088
He says both on WAWR and several essays that Will animates everything-- even immovable rocks-- and is well exemplified by the sex drive.

>> No.18482120

>>18482113
That's clearly not the same claim, of course sexual drive is an example of the will.

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>>18482088
Sorry I'm not one of your tradzoom bible citing friends. You can go read WWR. But even without a citation it should be obvious that desire of the will is linked to sexuality. Even the way a bureaucrat fondles his papers. Psychology for that matter is an outgrowth of vague metaphysics by the way. You can't measure a mind. But what you can do, in a very sort of archaeological way, is try to uncover what the base motivations are behind actions, what sort of conditions someone is acting from, what incomplete or misformed picture is being used by the subject to evaluate and so forth. I won't go as far as to agree with all of Freud or Schopey, but if you have any intention of being more literate you should be familiar with them.

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>>18481170

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18482128

>>18482120
Examples of a thing are that thing, they are modes of it. Come on, basic stuff.

>> No.18482133

>>18482123
You should have just not posted at all lol.

>> No.18482142

>>18482128
No, saying that the sex drive is an example of the will is not the same as saying the will is itself sex drive. A square is a type of rectangle, a rectangle is not always a square.

>> No.18482160

>>18482120
It's the same overarching principle. Schopenhauer correctly highlighted that in human nature Will was expressed as lust but he disliked sex on principle.
Freud was occasionally pessimistic but he didn't have a moral stand against libido, he sought to understand it and alleviate neuroses in general.

>> No.18482168

>>18482133
>im not motivated by sex but all i think about is how degenerate everyone is and how much they need to be punished (by me of course)
...is a sentiment I have seen throughout this thread, regardless of how little you comprehended the wikipedia summary of schopenhauer
>>18482142
Oh you got me mr theologian your word game proves they're only related in one direction

>> No.18482182

>>18482160
Does he say that human nature always expresses will as sex drive or that this is just one of its expressions? Freud's theory is impossible to test, he just claims that hidden desires underlie everything, you can literally make up any story you like if the causes are necessarily hidden and can't be verified

>> No.18482197

>>18482168
I have not said a single thing about degeneracy or punishing people. Sexuality being one important aspect of human psychology does bot mean it determines everything. And it's not a word game, it is extremely basic logic, you're an actual idiot.

>> No.18482206

>>18482182
>Freud's theory is impossible to test, he just claims that hidden desires underlie everything, you can literally make up any story you like if the causes are necessarily hidden and can't be verified
Right it's the same as Schopenhauer except instead of "I read some cool Indian stuff that agrees with me but it was my idea first" it's "that reminds you of a nipple, and you're getting thirsty"

>> No.18482207 [DELETED] 

>>18482182
>Does he say that human nature always expresses will as sex
Do you really think a major intellect such as Schopenhauer would oversimplify things like that? Ofc he doesn't but he focus on the example of sexual drive followed by what he perceives as empty exhaustion as the never-satisfied impulse of Will.
Freud's ideas can be tested inasmuch as neuroses almost unfailingly corrrelate with repression. Others are less testable but still insightful. He wants you to be honest with yourself and exercise freedom within limits.

>> No.18482213

>>18481167
cope

>> No.18482215

>>18482182
>Does he say that human nature always expresses will as sex
Do you really think a major intellect such as Schopenhauer would oversimplify things like that? Ofc he doesn't but he focuses on the example of sexual drive followed by what he perceives as empty exhaustion as the never-satisfied impulse of Will.
Freud's ideas can be tested inasmuch as neuroses almost unfailingly corrrelate with repression. Others are less testable but still insightful. He wants you to be honest with yourself and exercise freedom within limits.

>> No.18482221

>>18482197
>i was taught my shapes in kindergarten so they must be eternal truth
We only know anything by its examples, ie given in experience. So if sexual desire is an example of the will, it is a way of knowing the will, and an entirely legitimate area of study for philosophy, which again, psychology was dubiously carved from and professionalized into a 'proper field.'

>> No.18482231

>>18482039
>You can objectively assess average values and norms
>objectively
No, you can’t.

>> No.18482249

>>18482039
You are either a genius of baiting or the most retarded anon on /lit/.

>> No.18482269

>>18482231
Newsflash: it's been done over and over, both anecdotally and most importantly statistically. You can quantify sexual among other social norms. Quantifying behavior is trickier but also doable in less precise terms. Read more.

>> No.18482273

>>18481167
Hating Freud is the surest sign that someone is retarded.

>> No.18482281

>>18482249
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronis%C5%82aw_Malinowski#Works
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Wilson#Work
That's the surface.

>> No.18482290

>>18482249
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shere_Hite#Notable_works
Also this

>> No.18482303

>>18482281
Okay, so... Were's the proof that "Incest, sexual abuse, rape either as fantasies or behavior are the outcome of excessive repression and a dour view of sexuality/nudity", my pedantic anon?

>> No.18482314

>>18482303
Also, what exactly do you mean by "excessive repression"?

>> No.18482315

>>18482303
Comparative stats, I already mentioned that. Countries where's there's too much puritannical mores also have more per capita rape and incest.

>> No.18482319

>>18482314
Repression that makes seduction, prurience and sexual expression-- both masturbation and actual fucking-- too socially burdensome.

>> No.18482336

>>18482273
You're a rube. Freud even said money was laughing gas to him.

>> No.18482352

>>18482315
You have the stats, provide us them.

>> No.18482354

>>18482315
So... Where are these stats? What countries are compared? Couldn't it be explained by other factors than "sexual repression"? How do you measure "sexual repression" on a country?
I mean, you are being too vague in your explanation.

>> No.18482365

>>18482319
So, where are these stats? What countries are compared? Couldn't it be explained by other factors than "sexual repression"? How do you measure "sexual repression" on a country?
I mean, you are being too vague in your explanation.

>> No.18482380

>>18482269
>Newsflash
>>>/r/eddit

>> No.18482393

>>18482354
>>18482365
Sorry for the duplicated post.

>> No.18482412

>>18482354
You simply juxtapose data. The other day I mention the comparison between the US and France, look it up. Though Americans whine about French "degeneracy", sex crimes in the US are much more prevalent both in absolute and relative terms.

>> No.18482419

>>18481167
Yep
Now let me finger your mom with cocaine

>> No.18482421

>>18482380
Newsflash: nitpickin without any further arguments is much more reddit/lowbrow.

>> No.18482423

>>18481694
There are many Jews on /lit/ indeed

>> No.18482434

>>18482412
Do you unironically think you can compare countries like this without accounting for variables?

>> No.18482435

>>18482412
You are the one bringing the numbers to the table, friend. Now show us them.

>> No.18482443

>>18482434
The variables are accounted for. You can't even try to cling to America's "multicultural" aspects because occurrences like incest aren't racially slanted.

>> No.18482455

>>18482435
How about I show you this: google.com
You're welcome.

>> No.18482463

>>18482412
>implying that the difference in sexual repression in the US and France is big
Anon...

>> No.18482487

>>18481434
He means in the United States, and the rest of the West.
What was seen in Germany was the horrific exception

>> No.18482489

>>18482463
>between the US and France
Sorry, I'm a little drunk.

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What the fuck is with the all the retards ITT?
Seriously it's like watching the Special Education kids throwing their shit at each other

>> No.18482529

>>18482455
Lmao so you don't have any data

>> No.18482542

>>18482522
Oh the usual it's just people on a site founded for the appreciative discussion of idealized young women in Japanese animation arguing against the notion that sexual desire underlies a significant amount of their behavior.

>> No.18482543

>>18482443
Yes they in fact are racially slanted. Practically any stat is. And you can't just state the variables are accounted for, where is your study that shows you're controlling for them?

>> No.18482544

>>18482421
Anon you were asked for proof and the only thing you did was spout more nonsense, and then outed yourself as a redditor.
It’s laughable. I honestly hope you’re baiting at this point.

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>>18482542
I mean sheit we can do at least a little better

>> No.18482561

>>18482463
>>18482489
It's not simply big, it's enormous. To attempt to state otherwise would be naive to say the very least. Some Americans freak out at the sight of breastfeeding and the FCC has seen fit to get involved in a tv live show because Janet Jackson displayed a nipple for a few seconds.

>> No.18482568

>>18482543
That's grasping for a non-existent cop-out but at least you do admit the otherwise obvious: sex crimes are much more prevalent in the US of A.

>> No.18482582

>>18482568
>its a copout to require controlling for variables
Freudfags are fucking unbelievable.

>> No.18482594

>>18482582
It's a copout to expect ppl to comply with your request for easily accessible data. There are sites 2 clicks away to literally prepare comparative tables that even you could understand. Keep seething, then get real about your hidden issues because to need to unwind and accept yourself.

>> No.18482598

>>18482568
Look at the countries with the highest rape rates in the world and you might get what's going on with the us rate lmao. Hint: it's the same reason their murder rate is higher

>> No.18482599

>>18482455
You're a fraud making baseless claims. You are insane.

>> No.18482604

>>18482594
You don't have a study showing this because it doesn't exist because it's an idiotic idea. If you make a claim you have to provi6evidence for it, not whine when asked to do so

>> No.18482618

>>18482598
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#By_country

US is number 10 as of 2010, sort by ascending.

>> No.18482626

>>18482599
Seethe more, it's part of the self-acceptance process you sorely need.

>> No.18482631

>>18482568
>sex crimes are much more prevalent in the US of A
Than where?

>> No.18482650

>>18482618
And what are the per capita rates by race

>> No.18482714

>>18482631
Read the thread, the comparison was randomly with France because some Americans try to depict it as a "degenerate" country.
>>18482650
I see what you're getting at. But at the same time you can't keep moving the goalposts.

>> No.18482725

>>18482618
Highest per-capita (reported) rape:
3. Sweden
7. Australia
9. Belgium
10. USA
12. New Zealand
16. Norway
18. Finland

All the other countries in the top twenty are poor or middling, and overwhelmingly non-white.

So for the poster claiming sexual deviance/criminality coincides with repressive cultures and asserting that sex crimes are more prevalent in the USA (>>18482568), can you help us discern a pattern here?

>> No.18482751

>>18482714
>moving the goalposts
Its controlling for variables you absolute retard. Race is just one such variable, there are tons, and again different countries record this stuff differently. You have to take all of this into account before you can claim that the causal factor is repression, which is in any case going to be quite hard to measure.

>> No.18482821

>>18482626
Your behavior is clearly that of someone suffering from sexual neurosis. You project your own repression to other people, make claims about sexuality you cannot prove and think you are the sane one.

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18482897

>>18481167
Read chapter 9

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