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was plato a schizo?

>> No.18490927

>>18490921
No, as a philosopher he was a typical psychedelics dudebro NEET

>> No.18490937

>>18490921
Is this Phaedo?

If you want to see true schizo Plato read the Parmenides, it's an inversion of his earlier philosophy and even the Neoplatonists practically just disregarded everything after the first third in it.

>> No.18490940

>>18490921
Transmigration of the Soul is one of the few things Plato was wrong about

>> No.18490944

>>18490937
What? The Parmenides informs more of Neoplatonism than any other dialogue.

>> No.18490953

I like a lot of Plato's ideas but I find reading them in dialogue form to be insufferable.

What are some great secondary books on Plato?

>> No.18490961

>>18490921
Irrational enough to study reason. Rational enough to study madness.

>> No.18490962

>>18490953
Proclus Commentary or Ficino Commentary

>> No.18490976

>>18490953
>reading secondaries before primaries
ishygddt

>> No.18491005

>>18490976
Plato isn't primary either.

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18491013

>>18490921
>was plato a schizo?
definitely not, he was the most reasonable man in Athens

>> No.18491035

>>18491013
very good post that is nonetheless a bit of an exaggeration.

What you tend to ignore is that Plato, this effeminate fag represented the end of this kind of greekdom. "Reason" initiated the end of greek warrior and body culture.

>> No.18491062

>>18490927
He even went on the obligatory bohemian drug/poipussy tour

>> No.18491160

>>18491013
Reading Plato turned me into a faggot

>> No.18491265

>>18491013
Cringe. Plato retroactively refuted r/fit. Called them faggots.
>>18491035
Bigger cringe.

>> No.18491348

>>18490937
I think its Phaedrus

>> No.18491560
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18491560

>>18490921
What about this is schizo?

>> No.18491752
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18491752

>>18491560
idk but plato wrote some truly weird stuff

>> No.18491756

>>18491752
Plato's theory of art in Ion is unironically one of his less schizo theories.

>> No.18491759

>>18490944
Yet they took the conclusion of the One as the main point of the dialogue, ignoring all the schizo ramblings to come.

>>18491348
Yeah meant to say Phaedrus.

>> No.18492051

>>18491756
you underestimate them

>> No.18492059

"Schizos" operate on a higher level of reality than neurotypicals.

>> No.18492060

>>18491752
"[T]ruly weird"—look up the etymology for "inspiration".

>> No.18492109

>>18491013
being schizo is a prerequisite for being reasonable

>> No.18492125

>>18490921
Schizo is the most overrused word here and it is embarrassing. The phenomenon is similar to teenage girls' obsession with diagnosing themselves and others with OCD at the slightest sign of conscientious behavior. Schizo does not mean "weird" or "spiritual". Schizophrenic people are literally INCOHERENT. They cannot be understood by others. They speak largely in word salad. Simply by being able to write in a way that is understood by most people, by having friends and associates, leaving his house regularly, and taking care of his health, Plato is marked out as not schizo.

>> No.18492160

>>18492125
if you say to someone where are your meds and they say they don’t have meds you say it’s because they’re out of meds and you’ve completed the circle and win

>> No.18492165

>>18492125
Ok schizoid

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18492225

>He's never had a heightened connection with the divine

>> No.18492241

>>18491752
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ygr5AHufBN4

>> No.18492251

>>18492241
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4F66A659E4C2AF56

>> No.18492307

>>18492125
Mania =/= Schizophrenia

some persons who experience mania lack the vocabulary to describe their experience and resort to psycho-babble and are incorrectly labeled schizophrenic

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18493039

>>18492307
>>18492165
>>18491759
>>18491752
>>18491560
>>18491013
>>18491013
>>18491013
>>18491013
>>18490961
>>18490953
>>18490944
>>18490940
>>18490927
>>18490927
>>18490921
>>18490921
>>18490921
>>18490921
>>18490921

SOCRATES WAS A SCHIZO

>> No.18493136

>>18490921
maybe not but i sure am

>> No.18493201

>>18491752
filtered
try actually coming up with lyrics off the top of your head that will change the world and be repeated for a millennium. Where do you think that really comes from, you?

>> No.18493289

>>18493201
they already made that album
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4F66A659E4C2AF56

>> No.18493300

>>18490937
It's not an inversion of his earlier philosophy: the various ontological categories identified by the various hypotheses are consistent with the ontological categories presented in Timaeus and Philebus. Also the neoplatonists (starting from Plotinus) were OBSESSED with the second part, that's all they cared about.
You probably got that impression because you thought that Plato was refuting his theory of forms in the first part. It is not the case though, he is just refuting some misinterpretations of his theory, which were most likely presented by other scholars in the Academy (as we can read in book 1 of Aristotle's Metaphysics).

>> No.18493316

>>18491752
He was not any more spiritual than most people in Athens, most of them would seem schizo today. Most people were extremely supersticious and believed in many different dieties and spirits outside of the common mythology. Divine inspiration is a completely natural thought to a person who hasn't been exposed to rationalism, especially if that person lived in an extremely spiritual society.
People on this board are hopelessly retarded

>> No.18493328

>>18493316
I don't know, he seems pretty sane in >>18493039

>> No.18493414

>>18490953
Al-Farabi, Averroes, Heidegger, Leo Strauss, Stanley Rosen, Seth Benardete, Michael Davis, Ronna Burger.

>> No.18493445

>>18491759
>ignoring all the schizo ramblings to come.
You mean the tight logical working out of hypotheses? Nigga do you not know how to read?

>> No.18493459

>>18493328
then congratulations, you can’t be fooled

>> No.18493524

>>18490940
>>18490940
he was right but he kept confusing soul with consciousness

>> No.18493745

>>18492060
>look up the etymology for "inspiration".
This.
Etymology solves every "problem"