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From Scruton to Dreher, post your traddest contemporary writers, lads.

Rod Dreher

>Mr. Elmougy said he didn’t understand why I considered Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the popular satellite TV evangelist and spiritual advisor of the Muslim Brotherhood, to be violent. I responded by pointing out that Qaradawi has advocated executing homosexuals, and that he gave advice on his website about how a Muslim man can beat his wife in an Islamically correct way.

>“That’s violent,” I told Mr. Elmougy. He slammed his hand on the table and said he agreed with the Shaykh, and that he wouldn’t apologize for it. He went on to tell a story about an adulteress who came to the Prophet asking for release from her sins. The Prophet ordered her stoned to death, said Mr. Elmougy, and declared that he could see her rejoicing in paradise. Mr. Elmougy finished his account by saying that things we Westerners consider to be unacceptable violence are considered by Muslims like him to be pro-family “deterrence.”

>I thanked him for his candor, for admitting that he favors executing gays, wife-beating, stoning adulteresses, and chopping the hands off of thieves.

Roger Scruton

>Our national narrative may change, but what underlies it is something that remains always in place: the secular law. [...] In his parables, Christ emphasized that the secular law is to be obeyed, and that our duty to God does not require us to defy or to replace it. Nor should we pay too much attention to the finicky edicts of the Torah, since ‘the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath’.

>To someone raised on the doctrine that legitimate law comes from God, and that obedience is owed to Him above all others, the claims of the secular jurisdiction are regarded as at best an irrelevance, at worst a usurpation. Such is the message of Sayyid Qutb’s writings, and of Milestones (ma‘alim fi’l tariq, 1964) in particular. In that book, Qutb denounces secular law, national identity and the attempt to establish a purely human political order without reference to the revealed will of God: all are blasphemous in Qutb’s eyes. Qutb’s followers have included Osama Bin Laden and his successor Ayman al-Zawahiri

>> No.18551014
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18551014

>>I thanked him for his candor, for admitting that he favors executing gays, wife-beating, stoning adulteresses, and chopping the hands off of thieves.

>> No.18551024
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18551024

>trad
>posts a twitter screencap
you're all fucking jokes. develop self-awareness.

>> No.18551042

What is this thread about?

>> No.18551043

There's zero point in talking about "Traditionalistism" Catholicism because Western Christianity is dead. If you want an actual Orthodox thinker, go read Pobedonostsev; Rod Dryer is not a Christian.

>> No.18551049

>>18551042
16 year old summer tourist tradlarping and posting twitter shit

>> No.18551081

>>18551043
Traditional Catholic church membership is on the rise

>> No.18551112

>>18550997
ITT: gaslighting “””trad threads””” being posted by zionists agents hoping to reduce western right-wing thought to supporting Israel, free-trade and opposing Islam

>> No.18551120

Secular laws are arbitrary and logically unfounded. For any secular law, I can ask "why?" for a number of times to reveal that it ultimately rests on no premise that is itself not arbitrarily chosen. As for divine law, one can simply say it is the command of God and we shall enforce it.

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18551121

>>18550997
The Trad LARPing is just an embarrassing extension of the culture wars perpetrated by Americans. Believing/pretending to believe in the supernatural as an expression of identity and a wilful desire to separate oneself from society.

Their Christianity is about as sincere as Ignatius Reilly's.

>> No.18551149

>pay jizya
>get traditional, a.k.a., normal life back

I'm 100% for it.

>> No.18551193

>>18551121
>tedfag
kys

>> No.18551295

>>18550997
Fuck off, I'm tired of this shit.

>> No.18551469

>>18550997
It seems funny to think that conservatives were genuinely concerned about "Islam" as a threat and not the bad behavior of low-IQ third world peoples. "Islamic terror" was wholly a function of the State Department and how much disposable income KSA had at any given time. It just disappeared when KSA ran low on money and Trump didn't bother to staff State.

>> No.18551497

>>18551469
Idk about that, religions create shelling points for collective action and Islam has a pretty successful track record of taking over regions. It's less terrorism per se and more what happened to Lebanon

>> No.18551519

>>18551497
Yeah but Lebanon basically got Zerg rushed by Palestinians fleeing Israel didn't they? A guy I knew from work told me they weren't really viewed positively in Jordan either because they tried to overthrow the monarchy.

The percentages aren't that high in Britain in comparison, and besides, there's far too much emphasis placed on ISLAM as the threat as opposed to immigration in its own right. Falling for the ISLAM bait is how you get yourself memed into accepting tons of people from literally anywhere else because of "Our Values".

>> No.18551520

>>18551469
>and not the bad behavior of low-IQ third world peoples.
why are americans so obsessed with iq

>> No.18551546

>>18551520
Why don't you come visit some of our chocolate cities and find out?

>> No.18551553

>>18551519
I mostly agree with your point but I dont think religion is irrelevant, it really alters behavior on both a personal and societal level. It's not that I have anything in particular against Islam which I dont know much about, only that it will conflict with Christian or with 'secular' society.

>> No.18551575

>>18551295
You could have just hidden the thread, but you have to advertise your fatigue because you are an ideologue who doesn't have the stones to admit it.

>> No.18551736

>>18551546
america is a nigger country.

>> No.18551774

>>18551575
No, fuck you and your shitty LARPing.

>> No.18551783

>>18551575
>you're an ideologue and I'm not!!! my dogma isn't a dogma at all!!
ok retard

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18552666

>Scruton and defending faggotry
>twitter larping
>trad

>> No.18552772

>>18551024
Do you not understand the joke in OP’s post, the point being that any so called western “traditionalism” or “conservatism” undermines itself from the start by growing from the seedbed of liberalism?

>> No.18553249

>>18551783
I am an ideologue.

>> No.18553293

trad larping is cringe
becoming Christian just to own the libs
and then when they find out they still cant own the libs, at least they can believe theyll own the libs in the after life by sending them to hell