/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18635349]

> If men don’t read books by and about women, they will fail to understand our psyches and our lived experience. They will continue to see the world through an almost entirely male lens, with the male experience as the default. And this narrow focus will affect our relationships with them, as colleagues, as friends and as partners. But it also impoverishes female writers, whose work is seen as niche rather than mainstream if it is consumed mainly by other women. They will earn less respect, less status and less money.
> Men can gain a huge amount from broadening their minds and their tastes. Just because a book is written by a woman or is about women doesn’t mean it has nothing to offer them. It opens their eyes to what it’s like to live as a woman in the world, the first step to learning empathy. And it may help to burst the bubble many men have been inadvertently living in, allowing new thoughts and insights to germinate. Isn’t that what the arts are for?

[Anonymous No.18635360]

>>18635349
Long winded way to say buy my books

[Anonymous No.18635363]

>>18635360
How is she wrong, anon? Don't you have a mom or any other woman in your life?

[Anonymous No.18635372]

Yes and women need to read military history books

[Anonymous No.18635373]

>>18635349
>They will continue to see the world through an almost entirely male lens, with the male experience as the default. And this narrow focus will affect our relationships with them, as colleagues, as friends and as partners. But it also impoverishes female writers, whose work is seen as niche rather than mainstream if it is consumed mainly by other women. They will earn less respect, less status and less money.
uh, based department?

[Anonymous No.18635385]

>>18635349
>consumed mainly by other women
All frontlist fiction is consumed mainly by women

[Anonymous No.18635387]

The female gaze is hot

[Anonymous No.18635388]

>>18635349
A male seeing the world through a male lens?! This cannot be, in the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.18635392]

>>18635349
It's unbecoming of a man to understand women and vice versa.

[Anonymous No.18635395]

>>18635372
>Ew, no. That's toxic masculinity garbage!

[Anonymous No.18635402]

>They will earn less respect, less status and less money
>status and money
Is all they care about. Dont see any women choosing to only release works posthumously. yet plenty of men do.

[Anonymous No.18635403]

>>18635373
That isn't even the point, anon. If you are the superior one, or at least the more reasonable part, one would have more ease at acquiring such lenses. This is something that I argued about in my book (I'm writing it, but it is about religion, atheism and family).

[Anonymous No.18635405]

>>18635363
Because you don't need to read about the "female" experience from a book written by a woman. You can simply talk to one. If I were to read a woman author, I would select the ones who were of aristocratic birth and widen the scope of ideas on which they focus like Marie de France.

[Anonymous No.18635408]

>>18635405
>You can simply talk to one.
Have you ever tried talking to a regular woman irl, anon? They can't put simple things into words and they feel weird talking about certain subjects.

[Anonymous No.18635409]

>>18635395
Well from what I've read it's mostly women lacking any interest in it, they say it's fundamentally incompatible with the female mind and if there is any history on warfare that women read it's things like how wars affected women or the effects of the war on the home front
God I hate women so much

[Anonymous No.18635429]

>>18635408
I go to graduate school in linguistics. The women by whom I'm daily surrounded don't use "like", "literally", "basically" as filler words and can talk about themselves or highly specialized topics with ease.

[Anonymous No.18635433]

>>18635409
Actually nvm ignore me and my rant
I'm mentally ill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FshU58nI0Ts

[Anonymous No.18635456]

>>18635429
I bet they are shit at it or you are easily impressed by women. It takes a good writer to turn life into words. I'm not talking about bugman repeating what they learning in class, anon. This is the kind of thing anyone can do.

[Anonymous No.18635477]

>>18635456
>shit
>life into words
>bug man
I feel like I'm in undergrad again.

[Anonymous No.18635485]

>>18635477
I never said I'm good with it, but most people aren't anyway, anon. If you ask someone to talk about motherhood or something related. Are you going after people instead of going after the greatest writers? Are you really a student? This sounds stupid af, anon. And I'm a dropout. You a probably larping that you are a graduate student.

[Anonymous No.18635974]

Female writers are the incels of the literary world.
They’re like ‘I demand status and money and attention and love’
And male readers are like ‘no. Lol.’

[Anonymous No.18636009]

>>18635349
What if I've already read plenty of books written by women, expanded my focus, broadened my mind, viewed the world through their lens, all that nonsense...and still come to the conclusion that women make inferior novelists because they are almost invariably parochial, uninspired, unimaginative, sex-obsessed, self-obsessed, and self-righteous? There are exceptions, of course, but they are far and few between.

[Anonymous No.18636025]

>>18635349
I've read a few books by women for women. For sure went through a range of emotions, however empathy wasn't one of them.

[Anonymous No.18636028]

>>18635349
Reading books by women actually made me less empathetic toward women.

It’s either “girls rule boys drool you go girl’ crap
Or ‘spank me daddy’ grosswhore schlicky crap
Or ‘I keep giving ruggedly handsome ex-cons all my love and attention why do they abuse me’ crap
Or “ah bloo bloo bloo, I’m a middle class, college educated white woman, life is so unfair’ crap

Every now and then they write something good like Frankenstein (but let’s face it, her husband probably wrote it)

[Anonymous No.18636029]

>>18635349
>read contemporary horror fiction
>half of it is written by women
>equally as dark
>can score fem points
I won.

[Anonymous No.18636031]

I read Twilight and half a Harry Potter book. I'm pretty sure I understand women's "psyches" better than anyone.

[Anonymous No.18636053]

>lived experience
Who started this meme

[Anonymous No.18636104]

>>18635363
I like my mom but shes a bit npc

[Anonymous No.18636181]

>>18635349
>> If men don’t read books by and about women, they will fail to understand our psyches and our lived experience.
A bunch of retards who are less reasonable than children and have exceedingly little asked of them more than please don't ceaselessly murder babies as they're permitted to go through the entirety of life playing make-believe, who relentlessly whine, bitch, and moan that life isn't fair and if only men would acquiesce in all things then women could prove they're equally strong and smart, but one of the countless insane and selfish desires they are hellbent on tyrannically making real as they are abject liars perfectly lacking in integrity and intelligence.

[Anonymous No.18636189]

>>18635349
>> If men don’t read books by and about women, they will fail to understand our psyches and our lived experience.
A bunch of retards who are less reasonable than children and have exceedingly little asked of them more than please don't ceaselessly murder babies as they're permitted to go through the entirety of life playing make-believe, who relentlessly whine, bitch, and moan that life isn't fair and if only men would acquiesce in all things then women could prove they're equally strong and smart, but one of the countless insane and selfish desires they are hellbent on tyrannically making real as they are abject liars perfectly lacking in integrity and intelligence.
Wow, and I didn't need even one god-awful book written by a single, solitary cunt to figure it out!

[Anonymous No.18636248]

*ahem*
> the first step to learning empathy.
That’s where you’re wrong, saggy tits. Why would I ever want to learn your slave morality in the first place?

[Anonymous No.18636255]

>>18635363
my mom and my sister's are the only women I respect and care about. By all meansy I want them to succeed and be safe, but I'm completely and utterly uninterested in seeing any other women succeed. They can all get raped and enslaved for all I care. Especially those fucking cunts from middle and high school I had those crushes on. They're less than nothing to me

[Anonymous No.18636269]

>>18635974
it should be a crime for posts that are this right to not get any (you)s.

YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO READERS, INVOLUNTARY NO-FANS.

[Anonymous No.18636277]

>>18636255
LMAO THIS POST
>Fucking cunts from middle and high school I had those crushes on can all get raped and enslaved for all I care
Anon why do you still have trauma from your high school crushes? Are you in high school?

[Anonymous No.18636278]

>>18635349
This also applies to leftists and rightwing literature.....

[Anonymous No.18636279]

>>18636278
>.....

[Anonymous No.18636304]

>>18636277
leave the poor man alone

[Anonymous No.18636374]

>>18635349
I thought gender was just a social construct, why can't a biological male write a book from a woman's perspective? Can a recently-transitioned MtF write from a woman's perspective?

[Anonymous No.18636505]

>>18635349
Men have been reading the likes of Emily Dickinson, Virginia Woolf, Mary Shelley, Edith Sitwell, Kate Chopin, Jane Austen and Emily Brontë for ages now.

[Anonymous No.18636571]

>>18635349
This is what pisses me off about nearly all women writers:
>lived experience
>male experience / lens
>learning empathy
Literally, women have different experiences than men -> listen to them because they're different. Alternatively, we have holes so we're valuable. What the shit? Can you imagine a man saying this to women? It's pathetic. A man says his writing is worth reading to other men because it expresses thoughts and concepts BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE, not just that it's a "different experience."

Feminism is dead just wait bros.

[Anonymous No.18636596]

>>18636255
>my mom and my sister's are the only women I respect and care about
Same. Coincidentally they are the only women I do not want to fuck and are thus the only women who have not been able to reject me. This is coincidental.

[Anonymous No.18636618]

>>18635349
I read books by women. Picrel. Jane Austen is good too.

[Anonymous No.18636623]

>>18635372
Do you have any recommendations, anon?

[Anonymous No.18636630]

>>18635349
I read books by women. Picrel is a good one.
Jane Austen and Camille Paglia are good too.
I read a lot of Enid Blyton when I was a kid.

[Anonymous No.18636639]

>women are the same as men
>we think differently to men
Make your minds up

[Anonymous No.18636831]

I've read Theresa of Avila, Sappho of Lesbos, Catherine of Sienna, Sei Shônagon, Anscombe and Colette. Aside from children books, I think that's all the women writers I've ever read. Have I missed anything?

[Anonymous No.18636835]

>>18636639
>Make your minds up
Asking for the impossible, anon.

[Anonymous No.18636886]

>>18636053
Non-germans having to translate Erlebnis/Erfahrung to their native language.

[Anonymous No.18636897]

>>18635387
I agree

[Anonymous No.18636925]

>>18635409
Some women are war nerds. The book is not a rigorous history but it's nonetheless a fun narrative.

[Anonymous No.18636945]

>>18635349
> If women don’t read books by and about men, they will fail to understand our psyches and our lived experience. They will continue to see the world through an almost entirely female lens, with the female experience as the default. And this narrow focus will affect our relationships with them, as colleagues, as friends and as partners. But it also impoverishes male writers, whose work is seen as niche rather than mainstream if it is consumed mainly by other men. They will earn less respect, less status and less money.
> women can gain a huge amount from broadening their minds and their tastes. Just because a book is written by a man or is about men doesn’t mean it has nothing to offer them. It opens their eyes to what it’s like to live as a man in the world, the first step to learning empathy. And it may help to burst the bubble many women have been inadvertently living in, allowing new thoughts and insights to germinate. Isn’t that what the arts are for?

[Anonymous No.18636987]

>>18635974
Bazinga.

[Anonymous No.18636991]

>>18636831
I highly recommend picrel, it's pretty good

[Anonymous No.18636993]

>>18635349
>Isn’t that what the arts are for?
No.

[Anonymous No.18637002]

>>18636897
Damn girl in green is fine.

[Anonymous No.18637006]

>>18635349
Have you ever considered seeing the world through a male lens instead of what ever bullshit you're on?

[Anonymous No.18637112]

>>18636277
>hurr anon why do you still have childhood trauma are you still a child?
that's the nature of trauma you -*
*(you are invited to imagine what uncivil words might appropriately appear at the dash)
>>18636304
thank you anon, for that

[Anonymous No.18637122]

>>18636269
Thanks anon. I thought it was pretty good too.
Fuck the rest of you fucking ingrates
Pearls before swine

[Anonymous No.18637138]

>>18635349
>> If men don’t read books by and about women, they will fail to understand our psyches
False: I will not understand them anyway

[Anonymous No.18637174]

>>18635349
>empathy
The only word known by the mediocre sex. All is about empathy for them

[Anonymous No.18637179]

>>18635429
Yesterday I saw a video from a physician who is the director of a clinic that that installs bionic limbs, he said my language equivalent of "basically" a couple times.

[Anonymous No.18637184]

>>18635387
There's no such thing. The male gaze is simply the human gaze. Everything else is animal gaze

[Anonymous No.18637189]

>>18635349
If I read through a male lens then surely reading any books by and about women will be through that same lens and I will thus not understand anything not "male" about them.

[Anonymous No.18637195]

>>18636028
>Every now and then they write something good like Frankenstein (but let’s face it, her husband probably wrote it)
My English literature book said that one of the themes of Frankenstein is that only Nature/mothers (mother Nature, if you will) can create Life, not Science/men. Makes sense from her point of view, I guess.

[Anonymous No.18637202]

>>18637195
was your english literature book written by a woman?

[Anonymous No.18637204]

>men's literature: warfare history, philosophy, epics, avant garde novels, drama
>women's "literature": over-sensitive bullshit

They should better start reading men's literature

[Anonymous No.18637212]

>>18637179
These terms are only an issue of style. Unless you are in a strictly literate milieu, you shouldn't be overly bothered by minor stylistic faults, especially in oral conversation.

[Anonymous No.18637221]

>>18636571
>Literally, women have different experiences than men -> listen to them because they're different. Alternatively, we have holes so we're valuable. What the shit? Can you imagine a man saying this to women? It's pathetic
Agreed
>And God said: 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness;
It's still important to see stuff from multiple perspectives imho.
Anyway I'm not very interested in literature written by females
>Feminism is dead just wait bros.
Modern feminism is not true feminism (the true feminism wouldn't even be called family, in fact), that's why it will continue to thrive

[Anonymous No.18637234]

>>18637174
If only it was actually true...

[Anonymous No.18637240]

>>18637202
I don't remember. But I'm not from USA so things are different here (way less of all that stuff 4chan hates, gender studies, blm, etc)

[Anonymous No.18637248]

Women aren't human. They lack an internal life, internal experiences, individuality and creativity. You may as well try to read a book written by an otter.

[Anonymous No.18637332]

>>18637248
I'd be far, far more interested in a book written by an otter than a book written by a woman.

[Anonymous No.18637352]

I actually read books written by women, not motivated by a desire of understanding, but rather a morbid curiosity of how a specimen displays their illusion of an intellect

[Anonymous No.18637380]

>>18637248
Why do you think this?

[Anonymous No.18637400]

Does anyone actually look at a book and filter it because the author is a woman?

[Anonymous No.18637421]

>>18635485
Dude just stop with the 'life lessons', ignorant drop out lmao

[Anonymous No.18637497]

>>18637400
I do

[Anonymous No.18638164]

>>18635349
I understand how women think in their associative, sensational, emotional mode with its emphasis on organic architectures and disunity. I find it rather like admiring a bed of flowers.

[Anonymous No.18638169]

>>18637400
Only fools and tools

[Anonymous No.18638482]

>>18637400
>Does anyone actually look at a book and filter it because the author is a woman?
Largely so, yes. There are plenty of exceptions which make it through for their various reasons but without trusted acclaim or something specific about the book which sings to me, a woman's name gets it automatically nixed. Zero regrets and no reason to fathom I'd ever come to wish I hadn't operated this way.

[Anonymous No.18638491]

>>18637400
I’ve been boycotting non male writers and directors ever since the ‘no boys allowed’ showings of Wonder Woman.
It was originally only going to be for a year but after a year that I was happier without them

[Anonymous No.18638523]

>>18637400
Yeah I do this. I kept refusing to read Brideshead revisited until I found out that Evelyn Waugh was actually a man

[Anonymous No.18638662]

>>18635349
>If men don’t read books by and about women
men don't read books period

[Anonymous No.18638694]

>>18637400
no
>>18638482
>without trusted acclaim
I'm same, but for men also. Unless if the publishers a good one. I read the blurble. If the blurble says something like 'Seminal' or 'essential' or 'foundational' or 'b-b-b based', then I'll consider it.

[Anonymous No.18638741]

>>18635349
https://youtu.be/pBz0BTb83H8?t=22

[Anonymous No.18638827]

>>18635363
I wonder if having a sister does anything to keep a man from putting pussy on a pedestal. I've always been generally unimpressed and unwoo'd by women, even if they're drop dead gorgeous, but maybe this is helped by the fact I know the spew bloody mucus out of their vaginas likest from the infected wound of a sow, as my sister used to teach me by doing so all over the toilet seat.

[Anonymous No.18638943]

I keep writing letters to the president of France asking them to reopen Devil’s Island so that female writers can be sent there to do something productive like breaking rocks in the hot sun for the rest of their miserable existences.pugaz

[Anonymous No.18638958]

>>18638741
kek

[Anonymous No.18638964]

>>18635349
Agreed desu learning others perspectives is important
Don't have to adopt them tho

[Anonymous No.18639257]

>>18637421
As soon you quit your bs. Linguistics undergraduate student that don't read books? Not even name dropping an author? Muh my colleagues are amazing? Fucking KEK. On fucking /lit/? If you are going to LARP, at least make it convincing. People in college read a lot, and it is not like you have a lot of spare time to bs on threads like this one. You are just a retard.

[Anonymous No.18639273]

>Men must come to understand women by listening to female voices. This requires an active effort.
I accept that premise, it's perfectly sensible as a way to understand the female perspective.
>Women must come to understand men by listening to male voices. This also requires an active effort.
I have never once seen this premise accepted by someone asserting the first, by all manner of twisty logic.

[Anonymous No.18639395]

>>18635402
This desu. I don't know about women in general, but the one in the OP is a shallow whore.

[Anonymous No.18639550]

>>18635349
wtf, everybody reads Harry Potter, what more does she want? I read 50 Shades and that was enough.

[Anonymous No.18639599]

Would read when women become interesting. The amount of good books written by women are 3. About 3 of them are interesting. BTW Norm MacDonald's book is the funniest there is. Get on it.

[Anonymous No.18639815]

>>18639257
>As soon you quit your bs.
That wasn't even me.
>Not even name dropping an author?
Try out Elizabeth Robar's The Verb and the Paragraph in Biblical Hebrew: A Cognitive-Linguistic Approach.
>Linguistics undergraduate student that don't read books?
Come suck my dick and I'll maybe get you a green card, ESL roastie.

[Anonymous No.18639839]

>>18639815
>implying that I give a fuck about living in the US.
>some random book about the Bible now that I called your bs
Yes, right, anon. That wasn't you. Some anons are retards.

[Anonymous No.18639889]

>>18639839
>filtered
Enjoy living in the 3rd world.

[Anonymous No.18639902]

>>18639889
I'm rich, anon.

[Anonymous No.18640374]

>>18636028
This pretty much, it's fully retarded of her to think that men will broaden their minds from reading women's fiction since virtually all of it has an incredibly narrow outlook.

[Anonymous No.18640389]

>>18637400
Absolutely. Name a woman writer worth reading besides Murasaki Shikibu and Agatha Christie.

[Anonymous No.18640860]

>>18636925
>Some women are war nerds. The book is not a rigorous history....

[Anonymous No.18640890]

>>18637400
You don't even need to see the names. Most female authors advertise it to other women. You can just look at its cover and tell its female trash. Pretty pink colors. Stupid romance name. Dramatic title about emotions. Extremely easy to tell just from the title even. Typically.

[Anonymous No.18641396]

Why read about a woman's expierence when you can just listen to a woman's music?

[Anonymous No.18641460]

>>18636189
Who hurt you

[Anonymous No.18641526]

>>18635349
Why yes, I only read books written by women about men and by men about women. How could you tell?

[Anonymous No.18641540]

>>18638827
That's a very interesting point, anon.
Maybe the new prevalence of single-child families these last decades is what created the mess we're in?
>boys grow up without an actual female presence in their lives
>they end up putting pussy on a pedestal
>entire generation of spineless men who dont know how to deal with women
>an entire generation of women grow up thinking they are worth far more than what reality says

Interesting.

[Anonymous No.18641825]

>>18635349
I think she's right and has a point. I read a book about women before and it really helped open my eyes to how women think and operate. By extension it helped my social skills and all that. Makes me better in relationships but also more annoyed with the lack of effort from friends and family alike. It's almost like a double edged sword but I appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.18641830]

Last book I read by a woman.

SOOOO BORING.

[Anonymous No.18642519]

>>18641460
>Who hurt you
Plenty of people but I'm not wrong. And I like and get along with women just fine, it merely requires me to not take them seriously in any measure.

[Anonymous No.18642842]

>>18635349
>attune to me and my way and neglect the way you are
>screeching about manhate and how men have to change their behavior
hmmm

im male from a single mother and have two half sisters
my gran, baba, and grandma were all matriarchs on both sides of my family
i understand what she's saying here and i dont disagree, but oftentimes people who speak about this stuff aren't offering something that opens us up to something fresh or new, its usually just criticizing, attacking, telling you why you're bad

unironically there is a lot to be gained from understanding women, especially if you can see outside a cultural lens
but couple this cultural lens, the times, along with how they've been culturally presenting themselves and its a huge fucking turn off
that said, i really enjoy reading women poets, and im sure the rest of their efforts will eventually mature, which i actively support assisting. the amount of hate is understandable but so too is it understandable if a crackhead were to put a gun to my head. doesn't mean im interesting in enabling it.

long story short, get good. men are pure merit driven. while people need time to develop in order to express something competent, don't expect most men to jump on board by saying things like this. make something alluring.
its not dissimilar to women who bitch about older men liking younger women. just make being an older woman attractive and alluring. why do people expect to lure people in when they act with repulsion.

good work speaks for itself
git good

[Anonymous No.18643516]

>>18635349
I'm sick to death of midwit women. Instead of actually trying to succeed on their own powers like men do, they just whine and complain until the world reconfigures itself around them and the standards are lowered.
They can only win by changing the rules of the game.
Nietzsche was spot on about slave morality.

[Anonymous No.18643566]

>>18636028
Women are so shallow. The idea that it takes reading a ~350 page book to understand them is bizarre.
It's just fantasy and self flattery for women to imagine that they have these rich inner lives which require having read a novel to understand. Do think they're Goethe or something?

[Anonymous No.18643590]

>>18635363
Stop appealing to my Oedipus Complex to sell your books, that's a low blow.