/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18636474]

>match a girl on tinder who has spirituality in her interests
>get talking
>i say so i see you're into buddhism, i've just finsihed Nagarjuna's Mulamadhyamakakarika (Mabja's commentary)
>she responds 'whats that'
>I respond 'oh well its an exposition on the emptiness that underlies all phenomena and entities and essentially demonstrates how their self-establishment is not tenable and believing it as will lead to suffering and delusion which is of course bad for spiritual insight - in short its sort of an explication o the brief ideas summarised in the Heart Sutra, which i'm sure you're familiar with'
>she unmatches

where did i go wrong? do yuo think she was a hinayanist?

[Anonymous No.18636564]

>>18636474
Mara status: vanquished

[Anonymous No.18636581]

dead sure she had a nose ring

[Anonymous No.18636587]

buddhism is when you meditate 5 minutes a day on your smartphone app with monthly subscription

[Anonymous No.18636589]

>>18636474
Kek

[Anonymous No.18636814]

>>18636474
>>18636581
>>18636587
MUH WAHMENS……. SHALLOW!
MUH SELF….. LE DEEP!

[Anonymous No.18636827]

>>18636814
yes

[Anonymous No.18636850]

>>18636814
>MUH SELF
ummm ackshually that goes against buddhist doctrine

[Anonymous No.18636867]

>>18636814
Yes, the vast majority of women are astoundingly, painfully shallow people.

[Anonymous No.18636882]

>>18636850
so does being a prideful and arrogant nigger like OP; one who uses the sacred scriptures as a tool to prop up his supposed intellect in attempt to woo a woman. but obliteration of self was clearly never his goal. OP utterly BTFO. now uninstall tinder, renounce your petty attachment to your grasping ego, disconnect from the internet and practice 108 metta sutta prayers in ablution of your tarnished soul.

[Anonymous No.18636888]

>>18636867
If you are that obsessed with them you may be reborn as one.

[Anonymous No.18636891]

She could tell you were a pseud because you said "Heart Sutra" instead of "Prajñāpāramitāhṛdaya"

[Anonymous No.18636894]

>>18636891
She's already read the Abhisamayalamkara. OP was embarassing himself before a noble one.

[Anonymous No.18636904]

>>18636814
unironically, especially on tinder. Out of maybe 200 I've talked to, maybe 2 were not shallow, stupid people. I even chose to match with males, just to see how different it is (no homo). The contrast is stark. Better convos, better descriptions, 95 percent of women have basic pop shit as their fav songs, with males its like 20%, other have distinct taste in music, aesthetics etc. Women are niggers of the gender. Get the pussy, dont even look back for anything more.

[Anonymous No.18636911]

>>18636888
I am confused why that has anything to do with the previous discussion

[Anonymous No.18636919]

>>18636882
>obliteration of self was clearly never his goal
Thankfully so, being an annihilationist is extreme cringe

[Anonymous No.18636921]

>>18636904
>(no homo). The contrast is stark. Better convos, better descriptions, 95 percent of women have basic pop shit as their fav songs, with males its like 20%, other have distinct taste in music, aesthetics etc.
Sounds gay as fuck anon

[Anonymous No.18636927]

>>18636474
>ask girl who on tinder who says she is into buddhism about her thoughts on the Milinda Panha
>she unmatches

[Anonymous No.18636934]

>>18636904
>I even chose to match with males, just to see how different it is (no homo).

[Anonymous No.18636935]

>>18636882
Definitely just a reader. Anyone who sat for even 2 hours would never think of downloading Tinder.

[Anonymous No.18637012]

>>18636474
How do I find a smart gf.

[Anonymous No.18637079]

>>18636474
>anon reads centuries old sutras and commentaries and is still a miserable husk of a man, miles from enlightenment or even a peaceful abiding in the here and now
>some tinder girl buys a few crystals and reads spiritual memes on instagram and sees instant results
You could actually probably learn a lot from here

[Anonymous No.18637086]

>>18636474
You just got obliterated by a Zen thot, retard.

[Anonymous No.18637095]

>>18637012
Your window for finding smart girls is bascially undergrad/grad, when you can tell by what classes they are taking/level of discourse. After that you're much less likely to find them

[Anonymous No.18637105]

>texts? miss me with that gay shit

[Anonymous No.18637114]

>>18636911
>hourly i-hate-wammin thread, this time in the form of a Buddhism thread
Could /lit/ be any more attached to a desire than this?

[Anonymous No.18637129]

>>18637095
What about if you're expat in europe, late 20s?

[Anonymous No.18637135]

>>18637114
Women make up 49% of the population; so it makes sense that there is a significant amount of discussion regarding them and their function in society, especially on a website where the userbase is predominantly male.

[Anonymous No.18637143]

>>18637135
>predominantly male
You don’t know that.
I’m not.

[Anonymous No.18637150]

>>18637143
Yeah, it's obvious that you aren't male, but we can pretty safely assume that 4chan, of all websites, is predominantly male.

[Anonymous No.18637156]

>>18636474
>Buddhism is a philosophy, it's not like Christianity
>Not really, it's a full blown religion.
>No it's not!
>It's literally based on breaking the cycle of reincarnation, you do what you do as a Buddhist so you stop reincarnating.
>That's not true, you know nothing about Buddhism!
>I literally studied Buddhism in college as part of my Asian literature curriculum. Seriously it's a religion, sure there's a philosophy aspect but it was DOA because nobody wanted to do that shit and the afterlife hook didn't work that well. Just like Christianity, that's why so much of it after a little while became reciting a prayer over and over and spinning wheels. Have you seen the movie "The Golden Child" with Eddie Murphy, where he spins the wheel? That's how you stop reincarnating, that's Buddhism after people figured out they can't pull off all the hardcore mindo expando shit they made up at Nalanda in 500BC. You may as well go to church, same thing-
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NOO NOOOO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE IT'S NOT THE SAME REEEEEEEEEEEEE
This is the only good thing I got from college. Asian literature sucks.

[Anonymous No.18637188]

>>18637135
Honestly I don't see how this justifies the constant pissing and moaning at all

[Anonymous No.18637190]

>>18637143
hiiii deer

[Anonymous No.18637196]

>>18637156
Based Murphian Mahayana

[Anonymous No.18637223]

>>18637188
Men and Women have drastically different psychologies, and that leads inevitably to friction. This has been exacerbated in recent years with the advent of social media, to which the female psychology is particularly vulnerable. Everyone here participates in society, to some degree. For most people, members of the opposite sex hold a great portion of their thoughts (I mean, just look at crystal cafe if you think that the amount of discussion regarding women here is bad). These factors lead to a) large amounts of discussion regarding women and b) generally negative or at least agitated discussions.

[Anonymous No.18637242]

>>18637196
that movie is 80s kino btw

[Anonymous No.18637249]

>>18637242
it was peak Eddie Murphy time so that doesnt surprise me, il have to check it out

[Anonymous No.18637253]

>>18637156
The prayer wheel shit is such a semitic concept, strongly reminiscient of all the devious little practices jews came up with in the Talmud to cheat God's laws

[Anonymous No.18637256]

>>18637223
>social media, to which the female psychology is particularly vulnerable
Lol says the guy who is most likely a shitposting addict

[Anonymous No.18637260]

>believing in anything beyond theravada
i'll give one allowance for reading Nagarjuna which isn't too far down the garden path, but Mahayana turns buddhism from a psychological practice, to some sort of weird religion with celestial beings and spirits and cross-life gambits.

[Anonymous No.18637267]

>>18637256
Regardless of whether I am or not, what does that have to do with the statement you quoted?

[Anonymous No.18637268]

>>18636474
>Not using 'spirituality' as a metaphor in the context of Hogwarts houses, some identity trait of a character from Friends or how you feel connected with your inner self when you are painting an 'adult' coloring book
Step up your game anon

[Anonymous No.18637324]

>>18637260
>Mahayana turns buddhism from a psychological practice, to some sort of weird religion
Theravada Buddhism is also a religion. If you take away the Samsara concept out of the picture you may as well blow your brains out.

[Anonymous No.18637326]

>>18637260
>real Buddhism is just psychological practice
Sorry sweetie but the teachings of Sigmund Freud does not a civilization build.

[Anonymous No.18637337]

>>18637267
>Regardless of whether I am or not, what does that have to do with the statement you quoted?
Dumbass cunt he means you're a male and obsessed with 4chan, which is a social media

[Anonymous No.18637341]

>>18637223
>Men and Women have drastically different psychologies
Not drastically different

[Anonymous No.18637349]

>>18637324
if you understand sunyatam (and this is the real jewel of Nagarjuna when applied to Theravada), you don't need to worry too much about rebirth real or fake, because all conceptual constructions like grasping after more and more life (through the idea of rebirth) are eased.

[Anonymous No.18637357]

>>18637156
Unfathomably based

[Anonymous No.18637358]

>>18637337
The obsession with social media was not what I was talking about in my original post. The vulnerability to the Skinner's Box of psychological suggestions which social media has become is what I was alluding to.

[Anonymous No.18637395]

>>18636474
>match with guy on tinder
>start talking about books
>mention I really like James Joyce
>Says he loves James Joyce
> says "After the Races" is his favorite BOOK by Joyce and the only one he has read

Why do people lie for sex

[Anonymous No.18637401]

>>18637349
One thing that bothers me about Buddhism from an outsider's perspective is the lexicon of "jewels" and "crowns". I get that these words are merely used for their utility of making a value allusion, but I can't shake the underlying suspicion that Buddhism is a peasant cope. Perhaps the ultimate peasant cope.

[Anonymous No.18637416]

>>18637358
Also applies to 4chan

[Anonymous No.18637420]

>>18637395
>> says "After the Races" is his favorite BOOK by Joyce and the only one he has read
kek, I've always found it annoying how all of the Dubliners stories show up as books on google.
Also fag or foid

[Anonymous No.18637422]

>>18637401
buddhism is the blackpill that things are extremely dissatisfying, whether you're rich poor handsome ugly a woman a man clever or dumb.
literally every living creature undergoes a constant ache and futile attempt to quell that ache and the actions taken to quell that ache literally are responsible for the entire web of reality we've built around us from the physical objects like our bodies or the chair, to our mental concepts, senses etc etc.
it's all this massive cope for the fact that we're itching but we can't find a way to scratch so the itch goes.

Buddhism, basically shows that its only an itch if you let it be an itch and if you see clearly you'll realise that the itch is in itself empty. everything is empty all concepts, phenomena and entities, they are all only functionally existent, but in actual fact reality is just this ineffable logically-incoherent peace.

[Anonymous No.18637423]

>>18637358
>4chan isn't bombarding your vulnerable mind with psychological suggestions
Your entire rhetoric so far has been the fruit of 4chan psychological suggestions

[Anonymous No.18637431]

>>18637422
but I... must... COOOOOM

[Anonymous No.18637435]

>>18637431
Verse 13: Just as rain penetrates a badly-roofed house, so also, lust (raga) penetrates a mind not cultivated in Tranquillity and Insight Development (Samatha and Vipassana).

Verse 14: Just as rain cannot penetrate a well-roofed house, so also, lust (raga) cannot penetrate a mind well-cultivated in Tranquillity and Insight Development (Samatha and Vipassana).

[Anonymous No.18637442]

>>18636904
>(no homo)
Sure, anon. Sure.

[Anonymous No.18637448]

>>18637416
Yes, 4chan is a social media. Everything I have said so far has been regarding *all* social media. I don't see how this adds anything to the conversation.
>>18637423
See above. I can just as easily say your opinions are regurjuations of whatever platform or board you use most often. That line of thinking without elaboration is meaningless. However, when someone like OP sees the 10000th woman who claims to be into Buddhism because she saw it on her Instagram feed, and furthermore then cannot back that claim up with any actual knowledge of the interest she claims to have, that is a different story.

[Anonymous No.18637449]

>>18637395
Cause it works, I once pretended that I liked Arcade Fire and Bon Iver so I could fuck an arthoe cutie. She even gifted me their albums wich I gave to another girl and lo and behold I fuck that one too. Providence at work baby.

[Anonymous No.18637451]

>>18637422
>"BUDDHISM DISSATISFYING"
>GET INTO VAJRAYANA
>?????
>THE ULTIMATE WHITEPILL
>DO SADHANA
>REALISE NIRVANA AND SAMSARA ARE INTERCHANGEABLE. THE WORLD IS AN INTERPLAY OF EMPTINESS AND MOVEMENT. BOTH ARE VALID AND WE CAN FEEL THEM AT THE SAME TIME
>LIFE IS FUCKING BLISS
>NO MORE DISSATISFACTION
SUTRAYANACELS COULD NEVER

[Anonymous No.18637455]

>>18637448
Get the damn log out of your eye you stupid bitch

[Anonymous No.18637456]

>>18637260
>taking 19th-20th century anglo interpretors this seriously
It is a religion. Of course if you are just reading metaphysical dialogs and meditation manuals extracted from it for academic curation purposes it starts to sound less like what it is and more like what you are doing.

[Anonymous No.18637457]

>>18637451
>REALISE NIRVANA AND SAMSARA ARE INTERCHANGEABLE
this is the belief in all buddhism. its just not well articulated, until Nagarjuna comes out and says it.

Nirvana is just properly experienced/understood Samsara.

[Anonymous No.18637470]

>>18637401
No you are just an ill-read moron. The dharma is beauty and the beautiful are adorned or ornamented with jewels to reflect and enhance their beauty to the beholder. Of course, this is all on conventional terms, and those same jewels reflect everything, not just the beauty of the object but those who gaze at them.

[Anonymous No.18637485]

>>18637455
Insightful.

[Anonymous No.18637494]

>>18637451
The samsara=nirvana formulation is much older than the medieval tantrayana and was arrived at through earlier dialectic, ie. the prajñapāramitā literature

[Anonymous No.18637496]

>>18637401
They're named that way because they protect you from IDE (interdimensional entities) that's what the elites do - trauma programming (to enable remote viewing etc via dissociation) + anal sex, what it does for them is it disrupts the flow of energy around jewel - anus chakra - it allows IDEs to enter from the bottom of your astral body.

[Anonymous No.18637502]

>>18637485
>Yes, 4chan is a social media. Everything I have said so far has been regarding *all* social media. I don't see how this adds anything to the conversation.

You are doing yourself a disfavour by continuously missing the point. Here is the point : your own vulnerable psychology is manipulated by social media, although you are a male. Beyond this example, male psychology is just as susceptible to social media manipulation as female psychology. Human psychology is susceptible to social media manipulation. Also >>18637455 this.

[Anonymous No.18637512]

>>18637494
Yes I admit that, but Tantrayana gives you the possibility to live it experientially. A lot more.
By the way...
ROERICH BASED

[Anonymous No.18637513]

>>18637502
Or put more simply: Men have framed women as being more susceptible to manipulation because they fear their own susceptibility to manipulation by women; i.e a subversive woman is the most dangerous thing to a man, who cannot admit his weakness to woman, and therefore it is the woman who is corrupt Eve. Under analysis these dualities collapse.

[Anonymous No.18637518]

>>18637512
Based Roerich appreciator. I've considered getting a print or two of his. It's like the Hudson River School but more impressionist.

[Anonymous No.18637553]

>>18637435
>a mind well-cultivated in Tranquillity and Insight Development
good fucking luck getting that in 2021 without joining some fuckoff monastery
this is exactly why this is the hook to
>well if you can't do that, just support the sangha :^)

[Anonymous No.18637556]

>>18637502
I am fully aware of the point that you have been trying to make, and I have not responded to it since it is not applicable to my *original* post. *My* point is that, regardless of the fact that, yes, humans, regardless of sex, are vulnerable to manipulation -- females are even moreso. At no point have I said, nor do I believe, that males are somehow immune to manipulation -- that would be ridiculous.
The fact that we are discussing this already means, on some degree, we are conscious of this phenomenon, and are as a consequence at least less (read: not necessarily immune) susceptible than we would be otherwise. Nothing you have said so far has anything to do with decrying my original statement.

[Anonymous No.18637563]

>>18637518
Yeah, I love Roerich for his unique feel for color, the orthodox christian and tibetan buddhist influences, the mystical subjects, and the role he played in making Rite of Spring, which is one of my favourite moments in art/music/dance history. Wonderful artist, I always shill him.

[Anonymous No.18637581]

>>18637556
>females are even moreso
Prove it

[Anonymous No.18637583]

>>18636904
>I even chose to match with males, just to see how different it is (no homo).

[Anonymous No.18637589]

>>18637496
Explain pls

[Anonymous No.18637590]

>>18637556
>humans, regardless of sex, are vulnerable to manipulatio -- females are even moreso.
So what makes you say this specifically? Do you have any justification for this claim, or are you just stating your opinion?

>The fact that we are discussing this already means, on some degree, we are conscious of this phenomenon, and are as a consequence at least less (read: not necessarily immune) susceptible than we would be otherwise.
No no, see this is not logical. Only proves to me you are a dumb bitch. How can you come to this conclusion from what we've said? The fact that we are discussing this only means you've said some stupid shit people disagree with. This has resulted in a discussion. There is nothing more to it.

[Anonymous No.18637601]

>>18637496

[Anonymous No.18637611]

>>18637496
wait a fucking minute there's no anus chakra

[Anonymous No.18637618]

>>18637496
No you can use anal sex for tantric kundalini stimulation it's not necessarily negative

[Anonymous No.18637622]

>>18637581
>>18637590
Yes, this is my opinion, and is based off of observation. I would encourage you to attempt to find a similar trend among males such as the one seen in OP's post.
>>18637590
Explain why understanding of a phenomena does not lead to (a degree of) avoidance.

[Anonymous No.18637627]

>>18637611
ANUS CHAKRA LMAO

[Anonymous No.18637630]

>>18637618
>you can use anal sex for tantric kundalini
yeah sure, like and subscribe and support me on Maratreon

[Anonymous No.18637634]

>OP posts some obvious bait
>/lit/ just launches into whatver autistic debate regardless

[Anonymous No.18637635]

>>18637622
>Yes, this is my opinion, and is based off of observation.
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
SOURCES : DUDE JUST TRUST ME

[Anonymous No.18637643]

Looking for hot top to awaken my anus chakra :3c

[Anonymous No.18637647]

>>18637635
I do not claim to have any sources. And yes I would consider that crackpipe a valid source of inspiration.

[Anonymous No.18637663]

>>18637422
Again, peasant cope. Someone with means and opportunity can go on scratching different itches and broadening their experience. To pronounce all ventures insufficient before standing on the deck of the ship in the storm is ludicrous. You have not tasted the salt air or heard a measure of the mysterious siren's song. Experience inherently contains a shrouded essence. Man answers the call of the itch and unexpectedly reaps the shrouded reward because of his ignorance. Through our naive pursuits we accidentally encounter meaning that was not sought after. This in turn influences our next venture and so forth. There is a difference between an ignorant believer in imagined emptiness and a perpetual student of lived ignorance.

>>18637470
Don't make me laugh. I've experienced a full psychotic break. I've become the mirror and lost everything before. Not partial loss psychosis, I've experienced that diminished will state 50x more than true disconnect. There's nothing "beautiful" about that kind of reflection, it is just pure reflection. Applying a value judgment to that state is what stinks of peasant cope. Value has to hide somewhere in the belief's framework, so let's shove it somewhere firmly out reach. Same as all the other religions before and after.

[Anonymous No.18637671]

>>18637634
It's what we're all here for

[Anonymous No.18637691]

>>18637647
Crack is bad man, that shit can kill you
t. I have smoked crack with cans taken from the garbage

[Anonymous No.18637707]

>>18637691
On the one hand based, but yeah everything in moderation.

[Anonymous No.18637737]

>>18637431
>you're either an ontological nihilists who opts out of existence, or a consoomer

[Anonymous No.18637743]

>>18637451
Any book recs? I'm not into buddhism but this sounds interesting

[Anonymous No.18637761]

>>18636904
>becomes gay thanks to tinder
pottery

[Anonymous No.18637809]

>>18637663
Cope and seethe. The noble sneedfold path is not for peasants such as yourself, too attached to what was former.

[Anonymous No.18637815]

>>18637326
>does not a civilization build.
anon....

[Anonymous No.18637823]

>>18637663
>Again, peasant cope. Someone with means and opportunity can go on scratching different itches and broadening their experience. To pronounce all ventures insufficient before standing on the deck of the ship in the storm is ludicrous. You have not tasted the salt air or heard a measure of the mysterious siren's song. Experience inherently contains a shrouded essence. Man answers the call of the itch and unexpectedly reaps the shrouded reward because of his ignorance. Through our naive pursuits we accidentally encounter meaning that was not sought after. This in turn influences our next venture and so forth. There is a difference between an ignorant believer in imagined emptiness and a perpetual student of lived ignorance.
nice poem but all phenomena are unsatisfying. this is true.

[Anonymous No.18637863]

>>18636927
>regirock spells out nigger
Classic.

[Anonymous No.18637867]

>>18637815
>>does not a civilization build.
>anon...
ESL?

[Anonymous No.18637873]

>>18637867
yea he's probably an ESLbro

[Anonymous No.18637874]

>>18637823
You've clearly never encountered a fetish, a real fetish. It is a crude example, but only because it is an extreme manifestation of the phenomenon of discovery. All experience contains hidden encounters that because of the veil of your ignorance can awaken something in you large or small. Are all phenomena really unsatisfying, or is it that you do not satisfy the requirements to manifest satisfying phenomena?

[Anonymous No.18637880]

>>18637823
The phenomena of your mom sucking my cock is satisfying

[Anonymous No.18637881]

>>18637449
I was smoking outside a club chatting to a goth girl with big tiddies and pretended that I liked Bring Me The Horizon. 5 minutes later, stinky fingers on the dance floor. I have never felt more ashamed of myself, these women are trash