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ayy lmao books Anonymous Mon Jul 12 09:25:21 2021 No.18636687 [Reply] [Original]

Thoughts on pic related? Are there any other good books about aliens and UFOs, now that disclosure is coming?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 09:28:08 2021 No.18636697 >>18636687 Read Passport to Magonia by Jacques Vallee and Operation Trojan Horse by John Keel to get redpilled on "aliens."

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 09:33:13 2021 No.18636709

>>18636697
Those books look interesting, exactly what I'm looking for.
I know these phenomena aren't new and I know these beings are most likely malevolent, probably demons of some kind. Recent developments (especially the July 18th thing, and the Farsight Institute) have led me to seek more information on this subject since those two things make it seem like there is no hope and no way out.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 09:38:32 2021 No.18636723

>>18636709
Vallee is the big brain on this, but I've only read his Magonia. John Keel is notable because he's the dude who wrote The Mothman Prophecies, which came out after Trojan Horse and you should also read. After that he wrote The Eighth Tower and he starts getting doom and gloom like you're feeling, but I don't think it's necessary to feel that way. We've been seeing these things since caveman times.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 09:44:29 2021 No.18636738

>>18636723
>I don't think it's necessary to feel that way
Have you looked into the remote viewing work done by the Farsight institute?
I know these things have been happening for a long time, but it does seem like recent work has started to uncover darker truths.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 09:53:43 2021 No.18636771

>>18636738
>Have you looked into the remote viewing work done by the Farsight institute?
No, but I shall check it out. I am skeptical of remote viewing. There's always something secret going on, but I don't think it's going to result in my death or enslavement.

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 09:55:17 2021 No.18636775

>>18636771
I initially dismissed it all as schizo shit, but the "light as a soul trap" argument has some disturbingly compelling evidence (mostly testimonies, I don't mean empirical) for it. And if it's true, then it paints a very bleak picture of our current condition and our hope of finding a way out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 10:32:18 2021 No.18636924 bump

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:08:07 2021 No.18637055 >>18636775 >light as a soul trap Can you explain more about this?

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:19:19 2021 No.18637102

>>18637055
Do you have some time on hand? If so: https://archive.org/details/moksha_video_20190830
If not, check out the Farsight institute's website, or http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/index.html
I know the schizo interface is off-putting but bear with it because the info is interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:22:10 2021 No.18637118 >>18637055 >>18637102 To give you a tl;dr: the light we see after death is a trap that makes you reincarnate into the Earth which is a prison planet farmed by demonic creatures (gnostics would call them archons).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:29:28 2021 No.18637152 >>18636687 >Are there any other good books about aliens and UFOs, now that disclosure is coming? https://www.amazon.com/Orthodoxy-Religion-Future-Seraphim-Rose/dp/188790400X

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:35:17 2021 No.18637177 Trevor James Constable

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 11:40:18 2021 No.18637205 >>18637152 Doesn't he pretty much corroborate what's been stated, which is that aliens are demons?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 12:47:38 2021 No.18637516 >>18637055 https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/26830086/#26830086

Anonymous Mon Jul 12 13:51:01 2021 No.18637857

>>18636687
There's a tendency amongst reactionaries to try to promote pseudoscientific psychological or supranatural theories to muddy the water on the reality of actual physical machinery built by biological extraterrestrial lifeforms existing amongst us. It's pretty obvious alien civilizations are real and they are conducting numerous interplanetary forms of scientific experimentations.

>>18636697
Vallee has to be a spook, deep ties to the military industrial complex. See his "Forbidden Science" series.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:38:45 2021 No.18638035 >>18637118 So don't go into the light. Glad I have this info now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:39:24 2021 No.18638040 >>18638035 Problem is, I don't know if we really have a choice. And there's always the possibility that these guys are wrong since what they're saying goes against most religious teachings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 14:47:16 2021 No.18638071 Leslie Kean's - UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go on the Record is a must

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:27:23 2021 No.18638268 >>18637857 >supranatural theories But they are extra-dimensional beings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:35:21 2021 No.18638311 >>18638268 Inter-dimensional

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 15:36:21 2021 No.18638319 >>18638311 What's the difference?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 16:20:59 2021 No.18638521 >>18638319 Isn't it what Guénon called them?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 16:37:52 2021 No.18638617 >>18638319 Extra, outside earth Inter, outside our dimension

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 17:02:22 2021 No.18638731 Is there such a thing as the galactic federation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 17:37:10 2021 No.18638905 Bump

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 18:07:24 2021 No.18639065 File: 208 KB, 324x499, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18636687

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 18:21:00 2021 No.18639130 Cracks in the Great Wall Everything else is a psy op.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 21:20:31 2021 No.18640039 >>18639065 Red pill me on Serrano

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 12 21:26:52 2021 No.18640068 >>18640039 he is basically the combined autism of /pol/ and /x/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 01:59:56 2021 No.18641097 >>18636697 All is revealed in jorjani’s Faustian futurist. I’d be slaves for Atlantians, they seem pretty based

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 02:08:00 2021 No.18641124

>>18636775
>>18637055
>>18637102
>>18637118
This is also explained in Faustian futurist. He says there are demon/aliens on the dark side of the moon (lunatics) that capture our souls with light and harvest them. The whole moon is artificial and we only ever see 54 percent of it. I like a good /x/ thread on /lit/ Do the articles you posted coincide?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 03:06:30 2021 No.18641375 >>18641124 Yep, this is the same thing as what is talked about in the other links I posted. But how can this be escaped? And how come no religion talks about it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 04:44:15 2021 No.18641731 >>18641097 >being a slave for anyone Why?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 07:37:04 2021 No.18642404 bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 08:54:22 2021 No.18642633 File: 129 KB, 575x750, 231467.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18641124 >capture our souls with light and harvest them Wait a second, didn't fake and gay Whitley Strieber say something similar in one of his books?

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 09:00:41 2021 No.18642652

>>18642633
Maybe so, but it seems legit. Remote viewing and testimonies make it seem likely. Dozens of experiences from people who almost died or RV'd and saw either parental figures or "Jesus" telling them to go back to this world for various bullshit reasons. Several people reporting past life memories where they were tricked to come back to this planet by malevolent beings, and that the light we see after death is the mechanism behind it, like in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v79lVNKthCw
This is real schizo /x/ shit but as much as I'd like it to be complete bullshit, it seems legit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 09:02:30 2021 No.18642659 File: 134 KB, 1280x720, 1601454679247.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18642633 >>18642652 A lot of data is similar to gnostic cosmology and suggests that a lot of religions might be part of that control system too

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 09:03:41 2021 No.18642662

>>18642652
I wasn't necescarilly saying that to call bullshit on it, but I found it interesting that Strieber said something like the greys are literally out to steal our souls or something. Either he knew about some of this and incorporated it into his books or maybe he's only half full of shit.

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 09:05:01 2021 No.18642668

>>18642662
Well greys are obviously demonic beings as described by various traditions so it doesn't seem so out-there that they'd want to steal our souls, lead us to damnation or whatever.
The video here >>18637102 gets into it in detail but it's pretty long

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 09:25:31 2021 No.18642748 File: 76 KB, 333x499, upton.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this is the best introductory book it's short and easy and /trad/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 09:28:28 2021 No.18642763 >>18638521 I thought he called it infra-psychic or something

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 09:34:14 2021 No.18642787 >>18639065 This >>18640039 He writes metaphysical texts in coded language that could possibly be interpreted in a physical way as well. There's nothing like it. >>18640068 Lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 10:12:29 2021 No.18642949 >>18642763 Yeah but he was confused about what qualified as "infra" and "supra"

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 11:02:10 2021 No.18643213

>>18637102
>>18642668
Finally went ahead and watched it, and that fairly aligns already with some of my beliefs/understanding of the world. The only thing I actually find scary is the idea of fracturing. Talk about FOMO.

Gonna check out this guy's channel.

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 11:05:09 2021 No.18643229

>>18643213
>fairly aligns already with some of my beliefs
Are you some kind of gnostic?
>The only thing I actually find scary is the idea of fracturing. Talk about FOMO.
I had exactly the same reaction. But this is a part I have reservations about; isn't the soul supposed to be immortal and indestructible? Or the spirit, at least, which as I understand is tied to the physical body through the soul that acts as a link between the two.
But man it is stressful to imagine that the only way out of here is pretty much to get lucky and die in the right position and then hope you don't fuck it up when the light turns on so that you can promptly escape. It being so dependent on luck is scary.

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 11:16:43 2021 No.18643295

>>18643229
>Are you some kind of gnostic?
Not really, I just have always given consideration to reincarnation, but not in the Hindu sense; I don't think everybody has a past life or shit like that, I just imagine that there is one life source that we are all part of, and not an individual soul.
>isn't the soul supposed to be immortal and indestructible?
Well, if you keep chipping away at it, I'm sure that can't be good.
What I want to know is, why is escape allowed by "them," or is it? Am I going to meet them when I escape? Scary to think about.

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 11:20:40 2021 No.18643320

>>18643295
>if you keep chipping away at it
That's the thing, it shouldn't be possible. Maybe the guy is confusing loosh harvesting with actually harming the soul.
>why is escape allowed
Who says it is? Maybe this really is some chicken run shit and once you die your only hope is to try to escape unnoticed as quickly as possible.
>Am I going to meet them
Some people during near death experiences report entering in contact with archon-like beings, like in this clip here >>18642652. So yeah maybe we meet them. Some say that they can't force you to come back and you have to agree to it, but that they can be very devious about it. I hope that's true and that we're not forced to come back.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 12:53:28 2021 No.18643845 >>18637102 How reliable is remote viewing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 12:57:25 2021 No.18643861 >>18643845 It's supposed to be pretty reliable, which makes it all the more unsettling.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 14:47:06 2021 No.18644448 Does anyone know books specifically on this prison planet light trap topic? Maybe I'll make a thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 15:53:36 2021 No.18644790 File: 966 KB, 441x426, Star-Wars-fandoms-gif-pixel-art-1448503.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can I use remote viewing to find nearby child brothels?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 16:00:51 2021 No.18644820 >>18644448 Bump for this And also where does Christ factor into all of this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 16:03:21 2021 No.18644832 From my experience they just briefly mention the subject on the cover and then go on a 300 page rant about whatever and why it explains /x/, its the cultured mans clickbait.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 16:07:24 2021 No.18644847 >>18644790 Yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 16:07:29 2021 No.18644848 File: 9 KB, 230x230, cubeUnf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18644820 The perfectly equidistant cube made asymmetrical by taking it for its word and dying to it, "not as I will", the terrifying inevitability of the Victor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 16:08:26 2021 No.18644853 >>18644848 I don't understand, could you put it in brainlet terms?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 16:11:36 2021 No.18644865 >>18644853 The cube laid out is the cross.

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 16:13:02 2021 No.18644869

>>18644865
Yes I get that but what is the link between a cube and the prison planet/light trap?
Christ also doesn't seem very helpful according to all the testimonies that say malevolent beings will actually use his image to fool people into going into the light, and that calling upon his name doesn't prevent reincarnation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 16:37:22 2021 No.18644982 >>18644847 Fucking sweet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 16:58:19 2021 No.18645105 >>18637102 >you need to die while laying down at a 45 degree angle or you're coming back Fucking how? And why?

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>>18644848

On the relevance of Geometry, "is the Phenomenal world a literal cube?", etc:

The Platonic idea, or at least its typical interpretation, that the Phenomenal world is in part a lesser version of perfect Geometric shapes is dubious to say the least. Rather, consider their "higher" perfection corresponds to their "lower" instantiation in the sense that one's being, even down to the literal body, is trapped in a Geometric shape that is made perfect by one's effort to escape it: one is engulfed by a perfect sphere by omnidirectionally recoiling therefrom. "Marx is right about everything": the proletariat builds even its own cage. It would thus be insane to reason by and with "proper" Platonic Geometry and wise to attempt Geometric-Metaphoric piracy, so to speak: in the pitiful "schizophrenic" idea of backwardly-cartographing the Phenomenal world as a cube simply because it corresponds to a cross I myself have, in this sense, "died on the cross", I have taken up my most lethal instantiations and intellectually died to them.

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 17:12:07 2021 No.18645194
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>>18644848

On the relevance of Geometry, "is the Phenomenal world a literal cube?", etc:

The Platonic idea, or at least its typical interpretation, that the Phenomenal world is in part a lesser version of perfect Geometric shapes is dubious to say the least. Rather, consider that their "higher" perfection corresponds to their "lower" instantiation in the sense that one's being, even down to the literal body, is trapped in a Geometric shape that is made perfect by one's effort to escape it: one is engulfed by a perfect sphere by omnidirectionally recoiling therefrom. "Marx is right about everything": the proletariat builds even its own cage. It would thus be insane to reason by and with "proper" Platonic Geometry and wise to attempt Geometric-Metaphoric piracy, so to speak: in the pitiful "schizophrenic" idea of backwardly-cartographing the Phenomenal world as a cube simply because it corresponds to a cross I myself have, in this sense, "died on the cross", I have taken up my most lethal instantiations and intellectually died to them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 17:35:19 2021 No.18645330 >>18645194 Jung is that you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 18:06:41 2021 No.18645478 >>18645105 The Tibetans have something similar don't they?

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 18:10:20 2021 No.18645494

why would someone believe all this? To me it seems all illogical. I'm not talking about other lifeforms that could exist, but about a whole system that controls us. Why do people always think that there's some big secrets to things, a greater meaning or a way they're being deceived.
I genuinely want to understand why I should believe all this

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 18:14:54 2021 No.18645513 >>18636709 July 18th thing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 18:15:50 2021 No.18645515 >>18645494 Because they live in the USA and are permanently schizotypal

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 18:21:57 2021 No.18645555

>>18641375
They kinda do though. The mystics always talk of reaching the unconditioned and a light is plainly conditioned. In Christianity, discernment of spirits is important, in Orthodoxy in particular, not having that skill means demons will thwart your souls' ascent into Heaven.

Gurdjieff also talks of souls becoming food for the moon. He must have gotten that notion from sufis or yogis.

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 18:36:46 2021 No.18645653

>>18645494
A possible interpretation is that some part of our consciousness is aware of being imprisoned by and lied to by the brain, and that faint intuition gets blown out of proportion into all this stuff.

Another one is that this is a way of satisfying curiosity that is much less taxing than science or philosophy.

Yet another one is that there is something to it, given these themes pop up in the major religions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 18:40:16 2021 No.18645664 >>18645653 >Another one is that this is a way of satisfying curiosity that is much less taxing than science or philosophy. that makes it a little more fun than I thought, thanks for the help

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 18:49:10 2021 No.18645718 File: 1.90 MB, 500x334, Nazi Saucers over Washington.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18636687 I'm just gonna leave this here

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I figure this thread deserves a bump.
I would also like to announce that I am abandoning the work I'm supposed to be doing and am going to go full in to learn how to remote view so I can >>18644790

Recommend me some good books on remote viewing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 23:28:45 2021 No.18647151 >>18645494 Because it makes sense and there seems to be enough "evidence" to say it's a possibility >>18645515 Wrong about both

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 23:45:47 2021 No.18647254

In this thread on a supposedly we have people:
>>18636709
>>18637205
>Suggesting the UFOs and aliens are demons
>>18636738
>>18643861
>Pushing remote viewing and ESP
>>18636775
>>18637118
>>18643229
>>18644865
>>18644869
>Talking about 'soul-traps' and 'lights at the end of the tunnel'
>>18637857
>>18642659
>REPTILES
Good job boys, carving away at the mysteries of the cosmos one tinfoil hat at a time.

Anonymous Tue Jul 13 23:48:28 2021 No.18647270

>>18647151
I am not saying there are no aliens. I am not saying that some degree of apparently supernatural phenomena may not exist. But you people are taken in by obvious charlatans and it actually hurts to see another member of my species so easily duped. Or I'm just a psyop plant by the government trying to throw you off the scent of the real mystery of the universe. Hang yourself. Go to the light and find out. Fucking schizo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 13 23:49:25 2021 No.18647275 >>18647254 >Pushing remote viewing and ESP Literally just /sci/, but largely off topic to the thread's subject matter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:43:37 2021 No.18647649 >>18641375 I believe religion may have known but instead of trying to fight it decided to focus on the good of being alive on earth since it is inescapable for most souls. Reincarnation is not a bad thing after all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 01:53:23 2021 No.18647663 Did anybody ever read that book "Cryptoterrestrials" by Mac Tonnies? Supposedly it's very interesting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:33:36 2021 No.18647870 >>18647270 >taken in by obvious charlatans Why not address the substance of the claims rather than focus on the messenger? Did you watch the video?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 03:45:08 2021 No.18647894

>>18645653
>much less taxing than science or philosophy.
The issue with going off into metaphysical tangents is that it doesn't actually address the problem. It's interesting to compare metaphysical systems but in the end I'm more interested in figuring out concretely how to leave this place; understanding the why can come later.
>these themes pop up in the major religions
It's strange to me that aside from gnosticism, which comes to the same conclusions (and has been persecuted off the face of the Earth) there aren't really any religions that talk about it. Tibetan buddhism sort of comes close with its concept of the after death states but it doesn't go into detail. Other religions don't talk about it at all and you just get small crumbs of information here and there, so it seems to me that following any religious system to the letter nowadays will just lead to another incarnation.
>>18645555
>a light is plainly conditioned
I suppose. The Tibetans talk about how you should avoid the white light and go into the yellow one, for some reason.
>discernment of spirits
How is that done? I know about how the evil ones will allegedly be unable to admit that Christ has come in the flesh, but as stated before ITT I am skeptical of the idea that the name of Christ actually carries any power against those entities.
>>18647649
What a bleak prospect. It's not unfeasible though, you would just need to keep in mind the deceptive nature of the light, train yourself to not be pulled down by attachments as you die (Plato talks about this) and the hardest part would be to die in the "right position".

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 04:20:48 2021 No.18647949

>>18647870
The 'Tricked by Light' website is some 90's style website written by a paranoid psychopath. It resembles the 'Time Cube' insanity by Gene Ray.

http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/index.html
https://timecube.2enp.com/

It was hard to wade through but lets look at some claims:

>http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/movies.shtml
Movies and Mountain Dew (and other) commercials are utilising "pedictive programming to program us by using fiction and the power of suggestion to create a desired outcome." Note that this shit is not indistinct from the batshit ramblings of 'Greater and Lesser Magik' of LeVeyan Satanism. It's unstructured, conspiracy theory crap for people who want to know about the world but aren't really interested in physics, chemistry or reality.

>http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/music.shtml
As above except now MUSIK IS OF THE DEVIL (sarcasm). How insightful.

>http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/moon.shtml
Moon symbolism and literally peddling fucking witchcraft books.Are you a 12 year old girl? To quote Carlin, "I leave symbols to the symbol minded".

So that's where I tap out on that. It is literally reams and reams of incoherent babbling of someone who's life is dominated by looking for hidden messages in movies, music and mountain dew commercials. It honestly saddens me that a mind could be so warped to think this is intellectualism. Doubly so when a group of ostensibly literate people buy into this.

Dejected at all that insanity, I watch:
>https://archive.org/details/moksha_video_20190830
>First 60 seconds: "Cycle of death and rebirth"
>5 min mark: "remote viewing"
Sorry. I'm 5 minutes in and I can't take any more. It's fucking torture. It's so much talk about pretty much nothing. I'm not someone who believes in reincarnation so you'd first need to establish it on an objective basis before I'm going to waste 50 minutes of my life watching someone waffle on unsubstantiated mystical shit. Sure, it's my fault. I have a short attention span. I'm not 'open to that kind of evidence'.

I have written a string of 9 numbers (between 1-1000) on a page. I know its all on good faith, but I would transfer you 100 USD if you (or any other remote viewers) can guess those 9 numbers (say within the next 3 posts; put your email in and I will write to you if right). Admittedly, you'd have to 'take my word for it'. But if you put your details down I'd be happy to follow you and do it live on stream infront of a neutral party. If you live in Sydney, Australia I will pay you $500 to do it in person. Catch: If you lose you pay me $500. Wanna play, Mr Mystik?

Granted you don't have my GPS co-ords (is that necessary for someone who can transcend the boundaries of space, time and fucking reason?). But I could easily bury a lockbox with the same at a neutral location, give you and any of you other fucking hippies the co-ords and I am confident you would never guess it.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 04:23:34 2021 No.18647952

>>18647949
>I'm not 'open to that kind of evidence'.
This is not an argument against anything. Your entire post is "I just don't agree with it and that's why it's wrong". That's fine, just move on then; it's not my intention to convince anyone of anything, this issue has a sense of urgency and I couldn't be bothered to start arguing about it, I'd rather explore actual options with people.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 04:29:46 2021 No.18647969

>>18647952
That's what you took from my post? The 'Moksha' video was literally just a dude sitting there making claims about reincarnation and remote viewing. What is that evidence of? I could literally make the exact same video talking about magic crystals and it would prove precisely the same: nothing.

I'm here for it man. I'd love to see real evidence other than some pathetic, burn out, wannabe intellectual hippy trying to justify his insane delusions of 'remote viewing'. Again, I am willing to pay money to be proven wrong.

Remote viewers say they can identify numbers at a distance. I'm at a distance. Surely between remote viewing, lesser magik, dream inception and whatever crap you could easily determine that I have 9 real numbers infront of me.

Even try and fucking guess a couple of the 9 numbers. It'd be great for the lols. Or do you need GPS co-ords? If you (or other idiots like you) will play ball I'll happily stream you people trying to guess a string of numbers in a buried lockbox. If you say that this 'remote viewing' stuff has the goods, prove it or go hang yourself hippy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 04:30:48 2021 No.18647971 Are the books mentioned in this thread actually interesting to read? They look intriguing but the posts here are 90% schizo bull.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 04:31:33 2021 No.18647972 >>18647969 Again: I don't care about convincing you or "spreading awareness" or anything of the sort. You're free to believe what you want, it changes nothing for me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 04:38:50 2021 No.18647991 >>18647971 Yes

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 04:39:14 2021 No.18647992

>>18647972
>>18647972
Then what do you care about? Why are you here? You want to peddle misinformation and shirk away from a real challenge of your belief. You want to go around and poison people's mind and the moment real challenge arises, all of a sudden you become aloof and too cool to engage. You try and convince people of hocus pocus like ESP and remote viewing, but when you're asked to step up to the plate? This.

Yes, my criticism of you is mean and unlettered. Its uncharitable and aggressive. I have a simple reason: people like you need to be called out and eradicated from civil society. People like you and your ilk are even more dangerous because you dress up your misinformed bullshit in the air of intellectual coolness, philosophical 'discourse' and mystical weirdness. The dumb ass hippies were easy to deal with because everyone knew they were idiots.

Choke on them: 3, 8, 7, 22, 19, 42, 63, 92, 81

How many did you get right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 04:40:33 2021 No.18647994 >>18647992 No, I just want to discuss this with people who've come to similar conclusions through their research. Your extreme anger and vitriol tells me everything I need to know.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 04:41:27 2021 No.18647999 >the shills are coming ooh boy

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 04:44:44 2021 No.18648005

>>18647992
>a real challenge of your belief.
What challenge you fucking midwit? All you've said so far is just personal opinion
Remote viewing is widely documented but since you're a redditor who fucking loves science your tiny golem mind can't accept anything that goes against the scientistic status quo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBl0cwyn5GY
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00791R000200180005-5.pdf
No need to respond I know it'll just be more coping

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:00:59 2021 No.18648035

>>18648005
If you claim that you can identify numbers at a distance, determining a string of 27 numbers should be trivial.

Also:
>https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00791R000200180005-5.pdf
>"it remains unclear whether the existence of a paranomal phenomenon, remote viewing, has been demonstrated. The laboratory studies do not provide evidence regarding the sources or origins of the phenomenon NOR DO THEY ADDRESS AN IMPORTANT METHODOLOGICAL ISSUE OF INTER-JUDGE RELIABILITY.
Read the 'Operational Evaluation' and tell me what the conclusion means when they touch on the methodological issues.
>the information provided by remote viewing is vague and ambigous, making it difficult, if not impossible, for the technique to yield information of sufficient quality and accuracy ...for actionable intelligence".

Yes, the CIA tested remote viewing. Yes I am going to be intellectually lazy and not read a 178 page paper which, in its executive summary and break down of methodology, basically justifies what I am saying.

Do you know anyone who would be willing to take up a test for say $1,000 - 5,000 USD to prove it? What would you say would be a 'fair' test of remote viewing?

I suspect no one here will have the balls to take up a test of it. But I think this would produce great content (watching idiots fail). Is my above test 'fair' or will a remote-viewer cop out and say "9 numbers is too many". I'm not great at math, but say guessing 4x3 digit numbers is ~1/1 billion chance. Can a remote viewer do it? How far do they need to be?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:04:04 2021 No.18648043

>>18648035
>I know it'll just be more coping
I was right
You literally admitted you cherrypicked phrases from the document that fit your narrative and disregarded everything else kek
Conveniently didn't watch the video either because you're a slimy redditor faggot who wants to kill all discussion about subjects your NPC brain feels uncomfortable about
Fuck off, the other dude is right you're not even worth engaging with.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:05:45 2021 No.18648047 File: 3.77 MB, 348x550, 1610380662184.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Relevant to the thread's subject: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:10:36 2021 No.18648061

>>18648043
Because I just finished work and its a 178 page document. I will read it but I want to get to the numb of the issue.

Fine. I'm a piece of shit. But I want to go about designing a test of ESP. I am literally willing to deposit some amount (up to $5k for a first bit of fun) in my lawyer's trust account. But I want to know what experts like you think of the test:

>Guess 5xRandom 3 Digit Numbers buried in a lockbox. You can have the GPS co-ordinates.
>I will open the box unedited on live stream.

Am I wrong in thinking that someone with ESP should be able to do this easily? Are the numbers too small? Should I use symbols (goofy star and wavy lines etc). Please. I want to lose money.

If you know any prominent Australian's who do ESP I can fly to them. I am 100% serious.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:10:44 2021 No.18648062 >>18645515 >>18647254 >>18647270 >>18647949 >>18647969 >>18647971 >>18647992 >>18648035 These posts seem oddly fluorescent...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:11:28 2021 No.18648065 >>18648061 I don't know, I'm not a remote viewer Ask /x/ and stop shitting up this thread with your pedestrian redditor takes

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 05:11:41 2021 No.18648066 >>18648061 fuck my grammar in that post too. nub Australians

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 07:18:28 2021 No.18648432
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>>18636687
/x/ schizo here. If you just want a basic idea / introduction read:
>Abduction by John E. Mack M.D.
>Chariots of the Gods by Erich von Däniken
>Passport to Magonia by Jacques Vallee
Personal note: He really likes to push his hypothesis of aliens being supernatural forces of nature rather than actual physical and biological inteligence from other planets. Don't fall for it please. But the information he provides in his book is otherwise very interesting and well researched.

If you want endgame redpills:
>Alien Interview by Lawrence R. Spencer
>The Book of Alien Races by Dante Santori
>The Project Stargate Documents released by the CIA
>A CE-5 Handbook

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:03:22 2021 No.18648868 >>18648432 >Don't fall for it please. Why? That's exactly what they are.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:30:30 2021 No.18648995

>>18648868
You don't know what. You are making an astronomically huge leap of an assumption based on very shake arguments. Just because their motives are hard to understand does not mean that they have none. We also have reports of classic saucer like craft ("silver discs") going back to ancient rome, so that must be a culture/zeitgeist independent component. That is not to say that aliens do not interact with other planes of existence (see Robert Monroe) or universes, because they do, but EBEs are part of this phenomenon. Valle's explanation is basically "magic" (in the average joe's understanding of the term). EBEs can be logically explained, Valle's magic agents of nonsensical chaos cannot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:31:13 2021 No.18648999 >>18648432 Do you think any of them can be trusted?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:35:26 2021 No.18649015
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>US admits they don't know what certain flying objects are
> "If the US doesn't know what they are, they MUST be aliens!!! Muh all powerful all knowing USA thanks be to you for bestowing upon us unworthy citizens your ancient knowledge withheld for centuries!! There is absolutely no way any other countries could possess advanced tech!"

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:36:39 2021 No.18649020

>>18648999
The information we currently have suggests that there are some benevolent factions. I can understand why someone would be hestitant to trust beings millions of years more advanced than us, but right now our best bet seems to be to ally ourselves with some of the good factions because humans are currently being exploited by the bad ones.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:37:29 2021 No.18649021 >>18649020 You're talking about what people refer to as the galactic federation/lyrans/pleiadians? Do we really need them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:37:29 2021 No.18649022 File: 229 KB, 640x400, tumblr_83acc3b08723da2eaef57b2606b7a1de_f88d610e_640.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >This thread

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:38:59 2021 No.18649027

>>18649015
>he unironically thinks that China, after decades of technology plagiarism has come up with its own innovations that demonstrate propulsion that would take centuries to develop using only a FRACTION of the US budget
>not only that, they had them all the way back during the cold war too, when china was just an agrarian state!

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:42:02 2021 No.18649043

>>18649021
The Federation, the Domain, possibly the Pleiadians, not sure about Lyrans. Yes we need them because what are we gonna do on our own? It would be as if an ant colony tried to fight the US military. We need to be realistic. The bad ones aren't just bad. They are psychopathic parasitic freaks with a god complex and they view us as literal cattle.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:42:39 2021 No.18649046 >>18649027 He unironically thinks that China is the only other advanced nation because the USA told him so. He unironically makes assumptions based on his own biases as arguments

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:43:38 2021 No.18649050

>>18649043
What is there to be done? It's not like we have the federation's phone number. People also say sometimes that the whole idea of the federation is a reptilian psyop.
Does this mean that all the religious techniques to escape the cycle are bullshit? Gnosis is useless?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:45:23 2021 No.18649055

>>18649046
You need to get real. NO OTHER nation comes even close in spending for defense projects like the US. This UFO phenomenon is not modern. It goes all the way back to ancient. Even the romans saw the silver discs in the sky. There were full blown recorded and documented UFO battled taking place over germany. Muh secret tech is the layman's explanation for normies who haven't read a single book on the topic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:46:48 2021 No.18649062 >>18648995 >ou are making an astronomically huge leap of an assumption based on very shake arguments. Ah yes, so it must be aliens in spaceships.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:49:37 2021 No.18649076

>>18649050
The gnostics were onto something, but the reincarnation thing is a complex topic. Apparently it involves leaving your body at a specific angle, avoiding the "light" trap and finding a "safety rope" given out by benevolent beings. As for the Federation, there's actually a thread up on /x/ right now where anons trying to contact them using meditation. Also the Farsight Institute claims to be involved in negotiations with the Federation. They are uploading them all on their YT channel.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:50:30 2021 No.18649082

>>18649043
>It would be as if an ant colony tried to fight the US military.
If ant "colonies" could cooperate they'd probably win, desu.

Note that an ant "colony" is really a single organism - the individual ants all come from the same genetic material from a single mating session. But different ant "colonies" hate each other and will fight until total obliteration of one of them when they encroach on each other's territory.

So, ironically, what stops the bugs from inheriting the world is their pathological individualism.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:51:14 2021 No.18649088

>>18649076
>leaving your body at a specific angle
This is basically a question of luck. Unless you kill yourself but I don't plan on doing that.
>avoiding the "light" trap
Some people say you're irresistibly attracted to the light (if that's true we're fucked) and others say you can avoid it. Who do you believe?
>finding a "safety rope"
I think I read something about this being another level of the trap, and that if you grab on to that rope, you'll get reincarnated.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:51:55 2021 No.18649091 >>18649062 Aliens and spaceships can be explained logically and would make sense of what people are witnessing. Magic fairy demigods cannot be explained logically and is an unnecessarily convoluted interpretation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:53:51 2021 No.18649101 >>18649091 Magic fairy demigods can be explained logically and would make sense of what people are witnessing. Aliens and spaceships cannot be explained logically and is an unnecessarily convoluted interpretation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:54:11 2021 No.18649104 >>18649088 This guy remote viewed the trap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Ed40tVGOg The Farsight Institute also has a video on it but it's behind a paywall. I'm currently gathering resources on the death trap.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:54:56 2021 No.18649112

>>18647894
In Hinduism, the description of what happens to the individual soul after death is very similar to all this.

I suppose the issue with all this is that reading books, thinking, talking, they really aren't enough to prepare one for death. Spiritual development is what's necessary.

There's still a gnostic sect around, the mandaeans I think, but they don't take converts, and think all non-mandaeans are basically damned, so...

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:55:31 2021 No.18649115

>>18649104
Yes I watched the video but I found my questions were still unanswered.
Have you found any other good info on the death trap?
I got a few links
http://signallinie.info/die-lichtfalle/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKx_YRY9GEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0xjfyumJFI
It's pretty much just a repetition of what's already been said though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:55:37 2021 No.18649117 >>18649101 Go ahead then, explain it to me. How can these magic fairy demigods exist? What is their nature? Their origin? Their motivations?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:55:43 2021 No.18649118

>>18649091
Magic fairy demigods make more sense than aliens who can travel an impossible distance and find a mote of dust in a void, and do it regularly. Consider there is an aspect of our reality that you cannot understand from your perspective on Earth. Space aliens are a small-brained take.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:56:47 2021 No.18649128

>>18649112
>In Hinduism, the description of what happens to the individual soul after death
Where can I read more about this?
>Spiritual development is what's necessary
Yeah but there are so many paths and no certainty of any of them leading anywhere.
The point of gnosticism though is that there's no orthodoxy so you can be a modern gnostic even though the only surviving sect is mandaeanism

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:58:44 2021 No.18649139

>>18649117
Go ahead then, explain it to me. How can these aliens and spaceships exist? What is their nature? Their origin? Their motivations?

Just because you were conditioned with the spaceship imagery on the teevee as a child doesn't mean they have any basis in objective reality, you insufferable pinheaded NPC.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 09:59:24 2021 No.18649143

>>18649115
Names that I keep hearing of are Wes Penre, Calogero Grifasi, Bruno Guerreiro de Moraes and Wikkid Moon but I still have to check thode out. You might want to read Robert Monroe's Journey Trilogy too, he talks about beings that leech off human energy. I remember he once talked about escaping reincarnation in an interview.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:00:30 2021 No.18649150

>>18649143
Thanks. I tried to watch Wikkid Moon's videos but I find his ramblings hard to make sense of.
As far as I know Monroe didn't think this place was a prison, he thought of it more like a school, and said that leaving Earth when you die was just about not being too attached to it

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:06:55 2021 No.18649175

>>18649118
What's an alcubierre drive
What's a worm hole
What's a generational ship
What's active panspermia
Space travel isn't impossible, you are just unimaginative and attached to your idea of low level deities. You also didn't answer my questions. You just want to feel special, but the reality is that there is not a single good argument in favour of it. Your low IQ prevents you from looking at things objectively.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:07:14 2021 No.18649177

>>18649076
Also the guy says that an absence of fear is necessary to break out. This makes the whole thing doubly perverse since obviously you're going to feel stressed out about the possibility that this place is a prison and every reincarnation cycle fucks your soul up even more

I'm having sex with your mom(...) Wed Jul 14 10:10:05 2021 No.18649187

>>18649139
If they truly were powerful enough to manifest any physical reality they want to based on the current human zeitgeist then there would be absolutely no need for any deception. "Space ships" are NOT a modern phenomenon. Even the romans encountered them, but you wouldn't knoe since you have read neither the literature nor the research

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:13:10 2021 No.18649200

>>18649055
Muh secret tech is literally the exact same argument for aliens, instead you ascribe the tech to unknown non-humans which is far less believable in any degree. Is it not just as plausible to believe that there were an advanced people's in medieval Germany who utilised tech to appear as aliens or constellations battling above Nuremberg? The phenomena of aliens is not ancient, however the phenomena of advanced technology is thousands of years old.
Only in the past few hundred years have we began to give 'aliens' the credit for all advanced tech that we're unaware of

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:14:36 2021 No.18649205

>>18649175
All of that sci-fi shit you just listed is not as simple or possible as you'd think, and the impossible distance between us and any possible intelligent civilization is so far that if we could look at each other, we wouldn't even be on the same timeline.

Now consider that the "magic fairy demigods" is some natural phenomena of our planet and perhaps even a natural entity that exists on a different frequency, something that surrounds the globe and occasionally interacts with us. Consider that it's a normal and essential part of nature, but it is unknown to you and to learn about it makes it sound like magic fairy demigods.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:14:49 2021 No.18649206 How does this thread have any relevance to literature

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:15:50 2021 No.18649215 File: 127 KB, 907x1360, 61dpBcl8AIL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18649206 Nigga we talkin' about books.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:16:34 2021 No.18649220 >>18649215 Barely.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:19:18 2021 No.18649233 >>18649220 I'm enjoying myself, though. Let us have our fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:20:09 2021 No.18649238 >>18649206 /lit/ is the best place to discuss /x/ subjects because /x/ is too dumb and full of bots and glowies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:20:36 2021 No.18649242 >>18649238 >admitting you're posting on the wrong board kek.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:21:10 2021 No.18649245 >>18649242 If we're discussing books then there's no problem. Jung's interpretation of UFOs is stupid by the way

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:21:57 2021 No.18649251 >>18649200 >The phenomena of aliens is not ancient It is. We just called them by different names. Gods, angels, fae folk, people from the sky.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:22:49 2021 No.18649256 >>18649251 Why not believe they are angels, fairies, or gods then?? What is your basis for explaining them as aliens other than a mass hysteria from the 1900s

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:26:19 2021 No.18649276
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>>18649238
Not really. /lit/ just likes to jerk off to pseudoscientific psychological interpretations or other bullshit theories. /x/ has a lot of retards, but if you dig a while you can find some genuinely good information every once in a while.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:28:30 2021 No.18649286

>>18649256
Because EBEs can be explained scientifically. The others not so much, partly because their origin and nature is hardly ever elaborated to begin with. Besides, I do think there's more to it than just biological life forms. Consciousness is not bound to matter and biology. Intelligent non-corporal beings do certainly exist as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:29:16 2021 No.18649292 >>18649286 >their origin and nature is hardly ever elaborated to begin with kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:30:20 2021 No.18649296 >>18649177 >fucks your soul up Is it possible to harm the soul? Phaedo's argument for the opposite was convincing but for some reason, the reality of things always seems divorced from the theory.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:33:36 2021 No.18649308 >>18649296 The soul can be traumatized and it's memories messed with, but supposedly it is immortal

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:34:33 2021 No.18649311

>>18649308
The moksha dude said eventually you'd more or less become some kind of husk once they got enough "fragments" out of your soul. Is this what NPCs are? Are hylics just people who went one too many times through the reincarnation machine?
This is fucked up.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:40:09 2021 No.18649342

>>18649205
"Magic fairy demigods" are just demons.
Demons are memetic beings, except with personality and free will.

P.S. Science primer for you soilent boys:
a) Information complexity is a natural quantity that exists and can be measured.
b) Information complexity is the only thing in nature that doesn't follow laws on conservation.
c) Ergo, information complexity singularities can exist.
d) If information complexities exist, they would look and act very much like "magic fairy demigods".

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 10:58:48 2021 No.18649424 And here come the christ schizos. Great.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:33:02 2021 No.18649581 >>18649424 Christ is important

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 11:41:17 2021 No.18649629 >>18649581 Not for the reason you think.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:46:18 2021 No.18649940 >>18649629 What's the reason I think?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:49:05 2021 No.18649954 >>18649940 You think it's because he constitutes a blood sacrifice. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 12:50:11 2021 No.18649958

>>18649954
No I think it's because he's the ultimate mystery of being both fully man and fully divine and that he obviously came here to help us free ourselves, and he's the only being we can fully and unconditionally trust (even though archons project fake images of him after death)
What's "the truth" for you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:03:00 2021 No.18650009 >>18647994 >Your extreme anger and vitriol tells me everything I need to know. Had the same thought reading his posts, wew

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:29:01 2021 No.18650103

>>18649958
I see him as a spiritual master who's teachings are crucial to alleviating the suffering in the world. Archonic extraterrestrials and interdimensionals leech off human suffering. Jesus showed everyone that they carry the divine within themselves. Others have tried the same. Zoroaster, Buddha, Lao Tzu. The grifter Paul coopted Jesus Christ to subvert it from within. The bloodshed of christ is not sacred, it is one of the most shameful things in human history. The key is to become Christ-like, not to turn Christ into a golden calf.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:30:23 2021 No.18650112 >>18650103 >a spiritual master I don't think the idea of "Jesus was a bodhisattva" actually holds when you read the new testament. If Jesus wasn't divine, then that just makes him a raving lunatic.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:36:24 2021 No.18650143

>>18650112
He was divine. You can be divine. I can be divine. Consciousness is fundamentally divine. It is the basis of reality itself. How do you think ESP is possible? If Jesus wanted your worship he would come to the people and say "I am God, worship me" but he didn't. Worship is another archonic pyramid scheme. When a being practises worship it transfers energy to its object of worship. Archons feed off that energy. That is also connected to Saturn cults being some of the earliest religions. Saturn = Chronos = the original sky father = Demiurge.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:39:30 2021 No.18650162

>>18650112
>>18650143
Btw that is also why muslims all pray towards the temple of saturn. The chakra channels of your two hands have a negative and a positive polarity. Your left hand absorbs energy and your right hand emits it. When muslims walk around the saturn temple they ritually point with their right hand at in intervalls of at least once during each of the 7 circumambulations. This is all part of the pyramid scheme. They are dedicating their energies to the archons.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:40:32 2021 No.18650166 >>18650162 *point at the black rock currently phonefagging rn, excuse the weird grammar and spelling errors

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:44:51 2021 No.18650189

>>18650143
The gnostic take on Jesus is that he was just a man with a spark of divinity like everyone else, right?
>>18650162
So all religions are control structures? What about the mystics, are you saying all of them got fooled and didn't actually experience the divine?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 13:57:03 2021 No.18650246

>>18647254
It's just fun and compelling to think about. I don't believe any of it myself and just find it interesting in a folkloric/ethnographic/sociological way but if I did believe it I would say Vallee and Keel got it the most right out of anybody as already said itt

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:03:12 2021 No.18650291 Why is every farsight remote viewer a black woman?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:03:26 2021 No.18650292

>>18650189
>The gnostic take on Jesus is that he was just a man with a spark of divinity like everyone else, right?
Different Gnostics believed different things. Some would have shared this view, others would have seen him as the one true embodiment of God.
>So all religions are control structures? What about the mystics, are you saying all of them got fooled and didn't actually experience the divine?
Many got deceived to varying degrees, but some, either by philosophical contemplation, inspiration by an otherwordly being or a direct intuitive "knowing" obtained bits and pieces of important truths. The gnostic teachings are just one example. Religion as it is practised by the masses is a control scheme. True divine religion is communion with the divine itself. To think, speak and do the divine. To pursue truth and wisdom and to be compassionate.
The conditions on this planet are artificially adjusted to house many souls and produce suffering, both among humans as well as animals. We are like cattle to these beings. I know it all sounds schizophrenic and I don't blame for skeptical, but please consider at least temporarily that it could be the truth. Journey's Trilogy by Robert Monroe and this video illustrate it quite well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4Ed40tVGOg
I hope we can meet on the other side.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:08:10 2021 No.18650316

>>18650291
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7364551/

https://medium.com/project-2030/the-complex-differences-between-masculine-feminine-energy-ede6a021f332

Being right brained appears to be conductive for ESP. Women and people of african descent tend to be more right brained.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:13:39 2021 No.18650340

>>18650292
Do you think any religious texts are of worth, or are all of them corrupted including apocrypha?
In the farsight video they say that this planet is literally a prison and that we're basically here because we did some bad shit. Does that mean we're serving a sentence and we're getting out eventually anyway?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:16:42 2021 No.18650360 >/x/ thread on prison planet deleted Bros the archons are on to us

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:16:43 2021 No.18650361 >>18649128 I'm getting the fate of the soul after death from Man and His Becoming According to the Vedanta, which in turn, get's it from the Brahma-Sutra.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:21:34 2021 No.18650386

>>18649311
I've read all castaneda's book om yaqui shamanism. conclusion is gloomy. there's no fighting back, just cope, escape, and do whatever possible to make yourself "not interesting" so they leave your consciousness alone when you pass away. any memory is barely kept though, that's why most of the practice consists of getting a hold of yourself in transitive state.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:22:58 2021 No.18650395 >>18650386 >getting a hold of yourself in transitive state. What does that mean exactly Also I think that by becoming interested in this subject you're making yourself very interesting already. How do you make yourself not interesting anyway?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:23:48 2021 No.18650401 >>18650103 this. also many seems to forget about the essenes and their mysterious teaching.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:27:39 2021 No.18650412

>>18650340
The alien interview says that too. Honestly, I don't think they have any intention of taking their undesirables back. The fact that they locked away the souls indefinitely instead of just memorywiping it and reintegrating it into their society suggests to me that there appears to be some inherent quality of the soul that makes it undesirable for them specifically. I don't think the ones that put us here will let us out, we need to do that ourselves or ask someone else for help.
>Do you think any religious texts are of worth, or are all of them corrupted including apocrypha?
I don't think it's for me to decide what others should and shouldn't read, but my personal opinion is that it's worth reading and studying all of them, corrupted or not, because even the corrupted ones allow us to glimpse into how the matrix functions. Personally I believe the most promising approach to investigating the cycle and how to get out are parapsychological means like remote viewing, channelling, AP, expanded consciousness etc. Many religious scriptures give splendid advice and teachings, such as all the red letter parts of the Bible, the Gathas and the sayings of Gautama Buddha and Lao Tzu. They should inspire people to strive for divine excellence and perfection of the soul. If the words of Christ give you strenght then read them, live them and breathe them.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:30:39 2021 No.18650423

>>18650412
>The alien interview says that too.
The moksha video says the soul is harmed though, while the farsight video says it can't be harmed and we're just in an infinite cycle because that's as close to capital punishment as it gets. Not sure which one to believe, the second one is less bleak obviously.
>there appears to be some inherent quality of the soul that makes it undesirable
So we're like universal pariahs, that's nice.
Even if we do manage to break out, who's to say the astral police won't just put us back here eventually?
As for asking someone else for help, it's been several millennia and nobody's come yet (well, there was Jesus, but it didn't lead to liberation for everyone).
>AP
I never managed to AP. Don't you think it's a bit risky though, I mean if you don't have any kind of protection you can be fucked with by entities and attract attention

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:33:10 2021 No.18650433

>>18650423
>I never managed to AP. Don't you think it's a bit risky though, I mean if you don't have any kind of protection you can be fucked with by entities and attract attention
There's methods to protect yourself. If you do the Gateway Experience you will learn to create an energy barrier that shields you from any foreign energies and entities. You learn that before you are introduced to your first OBE.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:35:34 2021 No.18650449 >>18650423 >>18650433 Here's a FLAC collection of Gateway if you are interested: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/mobile/folders/0BwuTXIXl1qRFcTh4dGlrWHBGUzA A Wave 7 exists, but you'll have to find it elsewhere once you complete the first six.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:36:10 2021 No.18650453 >>18650449 Thank you anon, I tried the gateway tapes once but it didn't do anything so I stopped. I also got spooked because of the CIA connection, doesn't that bother you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:37:25 2021 No.18650455 >>18650423 >The moksha video says the soul is harmed though, while the farsight video says it can't be harmed Maybe not harmed in the sense of being deformed like with a physical wound, but more like trauma. After all the soul is immortal.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:37:40 2021 No.18650457

>>18650395
>getting a hold of yourself in transitive state
basically you try to be consistent in altered state (dream like state, but not actual dreams, it's irl, some sufi called it kasyaf)
>how to make oneself not interesting
the teacher told castaneda to be less attached to his ego. he tried that by humoring castaneda, also to never hold any kind of emotional burden (hence the needs to remember everything of importance from the day he could remember stuffs to his day of learning shamanism). then when you arrive at certain level of mastery, those beings would come to you and you have to deal with them. they basically wanted to keep you in their world of substance (it was said to be spongy world full of tunnels which leads to different places). you could choose not to as they cannot force you to, but the lure is pretty strong that few rejected that offer (this is what happens to the ancient advanced people, they met these beings, got taught many unworldly tricks, got tricked themselves and totally disappeared from the world).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:39:01 2021 No.18650463 >>18650457 >dream like state You mean lucid dreaming? >those beings would come to you Sounds like the opposite of making yourself not interesting. But anyway where do I start with Castaneda? It sounds like he figured out a lot of things.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:40:23 2021 No.18650467

>>18650453
The CIA experimented with it, but the man that developed it was someone else, so I am not worried. I don't think it's gonna MKUltra people. If they really wanted to do that, then I don't think they would have admitted to being involved with the use of this technology. Besides, anyone an inspect the tapes and check if there's anything funny going on.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:41:58 2021 No.18650469

>>18650467
Rather than mkultra I mean the CIA endorsing such things, like with the stargate documents too (I don't know if you've read them, if not I recommend them, interesting stuff). I think we can all agree that the CIA is among the most rotten organizations on the planet and probably work directly for the archons so why would they endorse such a program, let alone allow it to be released if it could help people escape?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:49:31 2021 No.18650501 >>18650469 To be fair, they did make a effort to downplay their results afterwards. They probably didn't know what they were getting into when they began their investigations.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:50:15 2021 No.18650503

>>18650463
>lucid dreaming?
the first step, yes. but the end game is irl oobe. that is, you leave your body at will, with your consciousness intact (with little if barely available memory)
>sounds like opposite
dude these beings are having us in their thumbs. they even show up in our dreams, in fact noticing them is part of the exercise in which a more open contact would occur.
>where to start.
I read them chronologically. just google carlos castaneda, and read the first books. they're kinda overlapping in timelines though, he learnt shamanism for over 10 years with the same teacher, so it's understandable. what's scary is his writings overlapped so many things with my ancestor's ancient mystics religion (which is banned as heretical after mudslimes come and destroy everything here), despite mexico and my country is a world apart lol.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:52:11 2021 No.18650506

>>18650501
Fair enough. There's nothing to lose anyway as long as you don't sign any contracts I guess
>>18650503
>with little if barely available memory
Have you ever heard of these OOBEs usually during NDEs where people seem to remember another world, like their "home world" or whatever, and the memories leave them as they come back to this reality? The fuck is that about?
And thanks for the recs

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 14:56:26 2021 No.18650519

>>18649187
If aliens truly were powerful enough to travel through space all the way to our world from theirs then there would be absolutely no need for any deception. "Fairies" are NOT a modern phenomenon. Even the romans encountered them, but you wouldn't knoe since you have read neither the literature nor the research

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 15:01:41 2021 No.18650536 File: 33 KB, 750x558, IMG_20210714_210115_853.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18650519 So you're 80 IQ. Got it.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 15:07:52 2021 No.18650561

>>18650506
>remember, then lost it as they come back
exactly as written by castaneda. his teacher stated that we are energy beings, and have specific configuration (influenced by society, to whatever is norm). when we're asleep, the assemblage point (maybe like center of emanation) shifts from the norm, making us able to experience different reality, but whatever we experience in the dream, is forgotten as we wake up (shifting assemblage point to its usual place). but those memory will come back if you're able to shift your assemblage point to the exact place as when you were having that dream. and this, not everyone is able to do. hence only specific people are able to learn shamanism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 15:10:43 2021 No.18650571 >>18650561 Interesting, does this mean the real world is not any more real than the world of dreams? Is the dream world our home world?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 15:17:41 2021 No.18650603

>>18650536
>no response
You're too retarded to realize that everything you've used to deride Vallee's ideas can be applied to the idea that they are simply extraterrestrials. There is no "logical explanation" for them either way because the things they do are impossible with our understanding of reality regardless of what you think they are.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 15:18:39 2021 No.18650607 >>18650571 I don't know. it was implied by his writings. but truthfully I don't know. really makes me think though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 15:43:13 2021 No.18650718 >>18649581 >>18649629 >>18649940 >>18649954 >>18650103 Jesus was an alien.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 15:45:58 2021 No.18650736 >>18650503 Fuck that I ain't ever leaving my body. I've been practicing lucid dreaming and will continue to do so but I'm terrified of being trapped outside my body and dying or going into a coma.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:11:20 2021 No.18650899 >>18650736 Judging by all the info in this thread, the chances of breaking out are so slim anyways you might as well just do whatever.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:15:00 2021 No.18650923

>>18650386
>>18650503
If memories are destroyed forever what's even the point? You're blank slating every time. Unless your true self has access to transcendental memories or whatever but there's no way to know. This is the same issue as with dharmic religions, where if I don't remember anything about my past lives, there's no reason to consider them "me"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:27:43 2021 No.18650996 >>18650923 exactly. I still didn't know the true endgame apart from passing away to the void and be left alone. do we go back to the source or what? I still go back to nihilism. fuck this plane.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:28:34 2021 No.18651006
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>all religions on the planet have implanted the idea of "light = good" into the collective unconscious
>the light is actually what makes you come back here
>you need to seek out the darkness
>this goes against 99% of people's programming

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:30:02 2021 No.18651016 >>18650996 What's the organization of the after death realm anyway? Ok let's say you avoid the light, but you're still within the "grid" that captures the souls are you not? Do you just hang out there like a ghost waiting for help that'll never come?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:35:29 2021 No.18651054

>>18650503
I knew someone that had super easiness to do obe and that was somewhat trained in it. I asked him once if he tried to explore the galaxy or something and he said he is only able to travel within our solar system, which stuck with me for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:36:27 2021 No.18651062 >>18651016 I've been thinking about that, and I guess I'd just be an ant free to roam and the bigger entities would just not give a shit.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:36:42 2021 No.18651063

>>18651054
This guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2lDzuTn-Zw mentions seeing some kind of "machine" that spans the entire solar system and outside of which the universe was different somehow. He also met an entity at the center of the machine, but it didn't seem malevolent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:37:43 2021 No.18651066 >>18651062 But that's pretty bleak. You're still trapped in the matrix, if the entities notice you and decide to harvest you there's nothing you can do.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:41:38 2021 No.18651089 >>18650923 Would you consider someone with retrograde amnesia a different person? Is continuity of awareness sufficient? Sort of the same issue.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:42:48 2021 No.18651097 >>18650923 Regressive hypnosis.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:43:31 2021 No.18651103

>>18651089
I don't know but either way it's a shitty option and I would rather avoid it. The only way I wouldn't mind would be if as I said our "higher self" had transcendental memories, in which case my memories of this life would be more like a dream or something. But if it's just blank slate after blank slate then fuck it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:43:50 2021 No.18651105 >>18651006 Good observation

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:45:04 2021 No.18651116 >>18651103 Fair enough, in either case omniscience of some sort is necessary to be the ultimate and thus a real person

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:45:15 2021 No.18651119 >>18651016 Technical Intuition mentioned a safety rope

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:45:42 2021 No.18651123 >>18651119 Yeah but there's the possibility this is just another level to the trap

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:46:42 2021 No.18651132 >>18651054 Wasn't it recently discovered that the solar system is surrounded by a wall of fire? Could this be some sort of energetic barrier?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:46:55 2021 No.18651133

>>18651116
>either your higher self has some kind of nigh-omniscience that is accessed upon return to it
>or you get obliterated
Grim perspective. I'm an optimist so I'll choose to believe in the first one. It's not good to be demoralized, and if the second one is right, well, I'll never know anyway.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:51:48 2021 No.18651172 >>18651167 I don't even trust the federation but at this point I'll take anything as long as the machine is stopped.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:53:52 2021 No.18651187

>>18651066
Yeah, that sounds pretty bleak. But if they really don't care (there's so many souls) and if there are good entities on our side, then maybe it ain't so bad. I mean, would they really try to free us if they were pulling us into an awful existence?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 16:56:55 2021 No.18651210

>>18651187
I don't know. In the end, there are too many unknowns. We're like fish in a fishbowl, we have no perspective on anything, we can only make guesses and hope they're the right ones.
I guess the main thing to keep in mind is to trust nobody, be skeptical of everything, and assume nobody is on your side until you are 1000% absolutely certain that you're finally out of the matrix. Of course this will make you a borderline schizo but what are you gonna do

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 17:09:04 2021 No.18651271

>>18651210
>In the end, there are too many unknowns
Goddamn right. So really there's no point in worrying.
>assume nobody is on your side until you are 1000% absolutely certain that you're finally out of the matrix.
The hell of the thing is, there's always going to be something bigger that we don't comprehend. There's probably a Matrix outside of the Matrix. Imagine if you were a blood cell thinking about this shit, only to have your mind blown at discovering the outside world, and then it still has no idea about the stuff we are talking about iit.

It's overwhelming. I used to drive myself crazy as a kid trying to comprehend infinity. I would lose sleep. I stopped obsessing about it at some point in late adolescence.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 17:15:16 2021 No.18651318

>>18651271
I get your point. But I've always been terrified of missing out. I've always done things "just in case" so that I could at least guarantee a level of security. So it's hard if not impossible for me to go "well, whatever happens happens" regarding this whole subject. If there's the possibility that we can save ourselves, wouldn't it suck to miss out on it?

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 17:19:01 2021 No.18651348
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The amazing thing about gnosticism is that it reveals itself to you the more you get into it. I truly believe that gnosis is possible in this life, but I also believe that PKD was right and that our respective interpretations of objective reality are subjective, i.e. that our realities are not the same, therefore that our gnoses (our realizations about the nature of reality) are not quite the same either.
We just have to keep seeking.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 17:20:28 2021 No.18651363 >>18647949 This whole conspiracy reminds me of Welcome to the NHK. But instead of the media making Sato a NEET (according to him) it's archons making us NEETS metaphysically.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 17:22:58 2021 No.18651386 >>18651318 Oh don't get me wrong, after learning about the soul fracturing thing here, I'm definitely like "fuck, I better hurry." Maybe being a ghost won't be that bad, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 17:23:13 2021 No.18651387 >>18651363 I wouldn't mind being a metaphysical NEET as long as I got to keep my identity and memories. The mindwipe part is a real dick move, fuck them.

Anonymous Wed Jul 14 17:24:29 2021 No.18651403

>>18651386
As another anon pointed out, the soul should still be immortal, so the worst they can probably do is weaken you to the extent that you become some kind of wraith; but I don't see why time couldn't undo such wounds. Maybe that's wishful thinking, I don't know, but I think the various arguments for the indestructibility of the soul are compelling enough to not have to worry about that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 17:49:40 2021 No.18651601 >>18651063 Good shit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 14 19:27:52 2021 No.18652092 >>18651006 Light == good makes sense regardless of religion. No light means we lose vision, our primary sense.

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