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[Anonymous No.18663830]

>make fake coin
>get punished worse than if you killed someone
Did he ever explain this?

[Anonymous No.18663837]

>>18663830
Holy shit, he predicted George Floyd

[Anonymous No.18663852]

>>18663830
That's right. He wanted to warn us about fractional reserve banking

[Anonymous No.18664401]

>>18663830
No, he explained it like sitting down and showing you a series of fucking powerpoint slides and testing you with flash cards because he expected you to understand it intuitively, you cretin. Killing is perfectly normal and mankind have been killing each other in droves since millions of years before we speciated into modern man. Thus, killing itself is venial, not a mortal sin (you'll find lots of generals and such on the slopes of Purgatory Mountain if you ever brainlet yourself that far). Killers consequently get sorted not according to "durf he killed someone" but according to the *nature of their mortal sin*, e.g. murdering in anger gets you punished for wrath, whereas killing in treachery gets you punished for treachery (and killing yourself, of course, which *is* inherently a mortal sin, has its own special region). There are innumerable exemples of this in the Inferno: just to name the most obvious, Cassius and Brutus are literally sharing the absolute nadir of Hell with Judas for committing a treacherous murder. Ugolino is another example, gnawing the head of Ruggiero in the lowest circle as both are punished for betrayal: Ruggiero for his betrayal of Ugolino and Ugolino for the betrayal of killing and possibly eating his children.

[Anonymous No.18664407]

>>18664401
>No, he explained it
God dammit, meant to say:
>No, he NEVER explained it

[Anonymous No.18664451]

>>18663837

[Anonymous No.18664462]

>>18663830
People simply had different values and morals back then

[Anonymous No.18664464]

All coins suddenly become worthless because no one trusts them
now no one can buy food
millions die in fighting and starvation from lack of trade

kill someone
one man dies instead of millions

[Anonymous No.18664470]

>>18663837
What circle of hell is George Floyd in, lads?

[Anonymous No.18664483]

>>18664470
afaik the canonical Dante answer is that niggers have no part in the afterlife due to not having souls

[Anonymous No.18664489]

>>18664462
this. go read the code of hamurabi

[Anonymous No.18664491]

>>18664483
but in the (purely hypothetical) case that he does have a soul, where does he go?

[Anonymous No.18664541]

>>18663837
whoa..

[Anonymous No.18664945]

>>18664491
in the circle of violent niggers

[Anonymous No.18664966]

>>18663830
yes, Virgil explains the rationale of the hierarchy of the circles of hell in canto xi, Dante based it on Aristotle's ethics.

[Anonymous No.18665124]

>>18663837
I CANT SNEED

[Anonymous No.18665196]

>>18664470
Sowers of discord without doubt.

[Anonymous No.18665225]

where would you be put anons? be honest

[Anonymous No.18665258]

>>18665225
>Diviners
>Contorted until their heads are backward and they cry until blind.
I named my backtesting framework after this circle.

[Anonymous No.18665266]

>>18665225
If Paulie Walnuts thinks he'll make it to purgatory I think I'll surely make it to heaven

[Anonymous No.18665271]

>>18664470
9th circle

[Anonymous No.18665278]

>>18665225
>be nice to someone
>get dunked in shit

[Anonymous No.18665289]

>>18665278
>likes to eat tiramisù
>gets bombarded with rain, hail and black snow

[Anonymous No.18665309]

>>18665225
I had gay sex a couple of times but I really regret it.

[Anonymous No.18665789]

>>18663830
Which Canto is the coin one in?

[Anonymous No.18665803]

>>18665225
Second cirlce. I literally can't stop craving for ass

[Anonymous No.18665825]

>>18665225
>crave for ass
>gets constantly btfod by wind

[Anonymous No.18665846]

>>18665225
Is that from the bible or it's a sneaky pagan addition?

[Anonymous No.18665849]

>>18664470
Can you go to Hell if you get canonized as a Saint?

[Anonymous No.18666386]

>>18665846
are you retarded? do you not know what the divine comedy is?

[Anonymous No.18666403]

>>18663830
Incredibly based.

[Anonymous No.18666434]

>>18663830
Because by making fake money you indirectly destroy everything good. Art, beauty, architecture, spiritualism, peace of mind. And all these, being the pillars of civilization, are more important than a single human being.

>>18664462
Wrong, it’s literally still the same nowadays.

[Anonymous No.18666486]

>>18664464
>kill someone
>one man dies instead of millions

Umm World War one?

[Anonymous No.18666557]

>>18663830
Where are the drunk drivers in Hell? Which punishment do they get? Blood makes the grass grow!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YoakPkxwxE

[Anonymous No.18666687]

>>18665225
That diagram misses out the place where most anons would find themselves: the preliminary room where all the mediocre nobodies appear who never really believed in anything and never did much good or much evil.

[Anonymous No.18666692]

>>18663837
You know, Quasimodo predicted all this.

[Anonymous No.18666697]

>>18663830
>Did he ever explain this?
Yes, as you'd know if you read it. The leopard, lion and wolf at the beginning are the three main classes of sin (voluptuousness, wrath, malice) in increasing order of severity. Killing someone tends to be the second class and minting false coin tends to be the third. Obviously there are exceptions. There are people who killed as an act of betrayal, for example, who appear in the ninth circle.

[Anonymous No.18666702]

>>18665225
>commit every sin
>can't be put in a single circle
>get away with it
ONE NOTHING WRONG WITH ME

[Anonymous No.18666710]

>>18665225
probably gluttony, but its ok cause i will probably only mind the cold

[Anonymous No.18666713]

>>18665849
Other way around, you can’t be canonized if you are in hell.

[Anonymous No.18666721]

>>18665225
>Pimps/Seducers
>Whipped by demons while marching

[Anonymous No.18666729]

>>18666702
You get put in the lowest circle that corresponds to one of your sins.

[Anonymous No.18666771]

>>18666434
>Because by making fake money you indirectly destroy everything good.
How come?

[Anonymous No.18666784]

>>18663830
Inflation ruins more lives than murder

[Anonymous No.18666813]

>>18666713
How would the Church know whether you are in hell or not?

[Anonymous No.18666878]

>>18666813
pedo catholic expeditionary forces

[Anonymous No.18666885]

>>18664470
George Floyd was a reincarnation of Saint George and no one can prove me he won't come down to strike down the lot of you when the time comes

[Anonymous No.18666968]

>>18666813
The dead cannot intercede for miracles unless they are in heaven

[Anonymous No.18667002]

>>18663852
Underrated, the Jews won't tell you this

[Anonymous No.18667067]

>>18666771
Just look at the world around you. I understand it’s difficult to grasp the connections at first, but all the ugliness, the decadence, the ignorance of today’s world is based upon economy. Pound wrote several essays on this.

[Anonymous No.18669009]

>>18665289
>take snickers bar from work fridge
>get garden snakes eating my ankles

[Anonymous No.18669130]

>>18665849
His "canonization" as a "saint" was a complete heresy. There's a reason a lightning destroyed his mural.
His torment probably got worse

[Anonymous No.18669137]

>>18666885
This nigger is going to feel pretty dumb the day of Revelation

[Anonymous No.18669189]

>>18663830
currency debasement has no goal or purpose, no one debases a currency in a fit of rage or to protect their honor. it is simply evil

[Anonymous No.18669229]

>>18665225
Fifth circle probably

[Anonymous No.18669245]

>>18663830
Violence is giving in to your animal instincs, fraud is twisting the intelligence God gave you to exploit your fellow man. Or something idk.

[Anonymous No.18670014]

>>18665225
hanging out with my niggas in river styx

[Anonymous No.18670355]

>>18663830
Spamming fake money is a lot more harmful than killing someone

[Anonymous No.18671631]

>>18663837
Explain

[Anonymous No.18671653]

>>18665225
See this system is dumb and he should have known it was dumb. Anyone can commit all of those sins, why punish them for only one in particular?

If anything the souls of the damn should have been depicted as making the rounds in all the circles of hell.

[Anonymous No.18671694]

>>18665225
Let's see... I just recently learned that I was never baptized, have been extremely lustful my entire life, I do tend to be a glutton on occasion, I do have a bunch of shit I don't need and spend way too much, I do have a bit of an anger issue, I'm fairly certain I've blasphemed on several occasions, I've probably been a hypocrite before I've used shit like the I Ching and tarot before...

And I've probably been a betrayer of a benefactor before...


Technically I belong in just about every circle of Dante's hell.

[Anonymous No.18671735]

>>>People who spend "too much" of their own money or own lots of stuff get their own circle of hell

Wtf? Was this guy secretly a kike or something?

[Anonymous No.18671764]

>>18663837
fpbp

[Anonymous No.18672806]

>>18663830
Because Usury is violence against art and nature (both derive from God) which is worse than violence against man.
>>18663837
lmao

[Anonymous No.18672822]

>>18665196
George was High on Fentynal and could not forsee the shit show that his death would cause. I'd say he'd be on where the thieves are.
>>18665225
What ever circle the masturbators go

[Anonymous No.18672955]

brahs, what's the best translation?

[Anonymous No.18673211]

>>18671653
I think you go to the one that is worst. i.e. if someone is suitable to be in the first circle and the ninth circle, they will be put in the ninth circle. You are punished for your greatest sin.

[Anonymous No.18673217]

>>18665225
First, second, fifth, third ring of the seventh (I like anal - with women, but it's still sodomy).

[Anonymous No.18673962]

>>18664483

Is this true? Source?

[Anonymous No.18673990]

>>18665225
>be prodigious warrior of history
>be a little vengeful in your life
>your reward is unending combat to hone your skills and become literally the perfect fighter

how is this punishment?

[Anonymous No.18674109]

>>18664401
Based and citationpilled

[Anonymous No.18674181]

>>18665225
At least the fifth, but might end up in the seventh

[Anonymous No.18674185]

>measuring the badness of things against murder
You're not going to make it if you honestly see human life as the central and most important thing in the world. Let your modern biases go.

[Anonymous No.18674264]

>>18665225
Judging by this, who does not end up in hell?
You just need to cough in the wrong direction and you are in hell.

[Anonymous No.18674296]

>>18666434
Based. Fiat currency apologists will burn in hell.

[Anonymous No.18674326]

>>18672822
>What ever circle the masturbators go
Probably in the same circle as the sodomites, because Aquinas (whom Dante followed) reckoned sins against nature (that is, against God's natural order) worse than sins against persons. Thus masturbation, as a sexual sin, is more perverse than, e.g., fornication, because masturbation is "against nature," and fornication, while sinful, is not.

See discussion here: http://www.pathsoflove.com/blog/2009/06/aquinas-on-sexual-sins-dangers-of-speaking-formally/

See also: https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/35491/did-thomas-aquinas-rate-masturbation-as-a-greater-sin-than-rape

>>18672955
>brahs, what's the best translation?

Speaking as non-expert, I think the Mandelbaum is quite good.

[Anonymous No.18674349]

>>18665225
Second, probably.

[Anonymous No.18674659]

>>18663852
this

[Anonymous No.18675384]

>>18665225
Probably heretics as I am an atheist who regularly makes fun of religion.

I find my punishment to be extremely cruel.

[Anonymous No.18675783]

>>18674264
>Judging by this, who does not end up in hell?
All those who do not reject Christ eventually end up in paradise.

[Anonymous No.18675804]

>>18674264
Dante's poem has two other sections full of examples. You could read them (or read about them) to find out.

[Anonymous No.18675815]

>>18665278
Flattery in this case is not just "being nice to someone," it's being deceitful to someone (by telling them dishonest things that please them) for your own benefit.

[Anonymous No.18675836]

Brother, the world is blind, and you come from the world. You living ones continue to assign to heaven every cause, as if it were the necessary source of every motion. If this were so, then your free will would be destroyed, and there would be no equity in joy for doing good, in grief for evil. The heavens set your appetites in motion; not all your appetites, but even if that were the case, you have received both light on good and evil, and free will, which though it struggle in its first wars with the heavens, then conquers all, if it has been well nurtured. On greater power and a better nature, you, who are free, depend; that Force engenders the mind in you, outside the heavens' sway. Thus, if the present world has gone astray, in you is the cause, in you it's to be sought; and now I'll serve as your true exegete.

Issuing from His hands, the soul, on which He thought with love before creating it, is like a child who weeps and laughs in sport; that soul is simple, unaware; but since a joyful Maker gave it motion, it turns willingly to things that bring delight. At first it savors trivial goods; these would beguile the soul, and it runs after them, unless there's a guide or rein to rule its love. Therefore, one needed law to serve as curb; a ruler, too, was needed, one who could discern at least the tower of the true city.

The laws exist, but who applies them now? No one, the shepherd who precedes his flock can chew the cud but does not have cleft hooves; and thus the people, who can see their guide, snatch only at that good for which they feel some greed, would feed on that and seek no further. Misrule, you see, has caused the world to be malevolent; your nature is not corrupt, not prey to any fatal astral force. For Rome, which made the world good, used to have two suns; and they made visible two paths: the world's path and the pathway that is God's. One has eclipsed the other; now the sword has joined the shepherd's crook; the two together must of necessity result in evil, because so joined, one need not fear the other: and if you doubt me, watch the fruit and flower, for every plant is known by what it seeds.

>Infernofags get filtered

[Anonymous No.18675858]

>>18665278
Look up the term "brown nose."

[Anonymous No.18675881]

>>18675384
That's not heresy, it's infidelity. Heresy is perverting Christianity, not rejecting it.

[Anonymous No.18675888]

>>18675881
I thought Epicurus ended up in that circle for denying the immortality of the soul?

[Anonymous No.18676050]

>>18675888
I guess that's Dante's view, it's not the catholic church's though. Aquinas says:
>There are, therefore, two ways of deviating from Christianity: the one by refusing to believe in Christ Himself, which is the way of infidelity, common to Pagans and Jews; the other by restricting belief to certain points of Christ's doctrine selected and fashioned at pleasure, which is the way of heretics.

I guess if you're particularly vocal about your atheism (to the point of convincing others) then Dante'd probably put you with Epicurus.