/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.18675864]

Are there meme trilogies for other languages as well? Should they be made?

[Anonymous No.18675880]

From the wiki:
>While the works themselves should most certainly be read for their own merits, their complex structure, intricate use of advanced literary techniques, and meta-textual nature make them nearly inaccessible to the untrained or uninitiated reader. The suggestion of reading the meme trilogy is simultaneously serious and sarcastic, as it serves as a barrier of entry for readers who genuinely love the craft of literature and those who simply read as a time-killing hobby or in hopes of achieving pseud status.

[Anonymous No.18675895]

[Anonymous No.18675954]

>>18675864
What would the Polish one be?

[Anonymous No.18675961]

[Anonymous No.18675979]

>>18675864
Nice thread

[Anonymous No.18675984]

>>18675864

[Anonymous No.18675992]

>>18675979
Did you like Paradiso?

[Anonymous No.18676009]

>>18675984
Good selection for the Mexican meme trilogy.

[Anonymous No.18676017]

>>18675895
Horcynus orca can stay. Replace the others with corporale and songs of chaos

[Anonymous No.18676041]

>>18675979
How is 2666 a meme book?

[Anonymous No.18676049]

>>18676041
The same way IJ is a meme book.

[Anonymous No.18676051]

>>18676017
I haven’t read them. Are they difficult?

[Anonymous No.18676054]

>>18676049
explain

[Anonymous No.18676099]

>>18675961
How is the book by Peter Nadas? Have you read it?

[Anonymous No.18676100]

>>18676054
>muh maximalist and hysterical realism big book

[Anonymous No.18676129]

>>18676100
so all it takes to be a meme book is a 700+ page postmodern book? thats retarded

[Anonymous No.18676133]

>>18676129
and being memed on /lit/

[Anonymous No.18676160]

>>18675984
>Crónica de la invención
I've been looking for this one since someone recommended it on a /HispLit/ thread months ago but I couldn't recall its name, all I knew was that the cover was pink, the author was Mexican and the book was form the 80s. Thank you so much, anon.

[Anonymous No.18676162]

>>18676099
I'd start with book of memories first it's a bit less wild and is shorter, it's the same concept but parallel stories takes it to the extreme. don't know about the translations but from what I've heard they are not the best, which is sadly true of most translated hungarian lit

[Anonymous No.18676189]

>>18676162
>it's the same concept but parallel stories takes it to the extreme
So hardcore sex and degeneration?

[Anonymous No.18676213]

>>18676160
intervención*

[Anonymous No.18676224]

>>18676189
yeah theres some weird shit in both books, but it's the meme trilogy after all

[Anonymous No.18676236]

>>18676224
What about Prae? Is it good? I can’t find much information on the net, tell me more.

[Anonymous No.18676261]

>>18676051
Corporale is fairly digestible but it's absolute autism overload so I feel it fits the meme. Songs of chaos is a wild ride and a half and in my experience only the discourse of the promontory from horcynus orca and some Pynchon surpass its frustrating longueurs

[Anonymous No.18676322]

>>18675864
>Cien años de Soledad - GGM
>Lo que no tiene nombre - Piedad Bonnett
>La Virgen de los Sicarios - Fernando Vallejo

[Anonymous No.18676325]

>>18676261
I’m very curious to read Corporale. Can you think of another huge meme? Maybe Petrolio by Pasolini? I’ll make a second Italian meme trilogy, honestly it’s impossible to pick only 3.
P.S. The captcha was AAHAH

[Anonymous No.18676366]

>>18675864
i made this one some time ago

[Anonymous No.18676384]

>>18676160
Here is García Ponce with Borges. Nice.

[Anonymous No.18676432]

>>18676160
>To truly _get it_ you have to know the works of Musil, Klossowski, Duns Scotus, San Juan de la Cruz, Meister Eckhart, Bataille, Blanchot, Marcuse, Thomas Mann and those are just the indispensable ones. Knowing the works of the likes of Pavese, Tanizaki, von Doderer, Akutagawa, Broch, Merleau Ponty, Kierkegaard, Santa Teresa and Borges certainly helps.
>You also have to be familiar with the Contemporáneos movement in Mexico (particularly Villaurrutia), the Casa del Lago generation and the social and cultural climate in Mexico in the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.18676454]

>>18676325
Gadda, but his novels may be too short

[Anonymous No.18676490]

>>18676236
I haven't read Prae yet, but it's written by the guy who first translated ulysses into hungarian and it's basically his autistic ramblings condensed into multiple freeform imaginary novels within the book, i'm pretty sure there's no translation of it at all, it's out of print simce about 2000 even here

[Anonymous No.18676495]

>>18675961
Hát bazdmeg.

[Anonymous No.18676508]

>>18676041
a meme book is not necessarily a bad book.

[Anonymous No.18676521]

>>18676495
most mé, nagyobb mémeket nem tudsz ezeknél

[Anonymous No.18676545]

>>18676521
Csak a tény hogy van magyar mémtrilógia. Nem számítottam rá.

[Anonymous No.18676556]

>>18676521
>>18676545
szívd meg a farkam, te faszok

[Anonymous No.18676565]

>>18676556
Megbaszlak anyád hátán te írástudatlan cigány geci.

[Anonymous No.18676579]

>>18676556
a teherbebaszott retkes kurva anyád lelkét fojtogassa a szarszagú kutyafasztúró

[Anonymous No.18676580]

>>18676565
Ezerszer megdugtam az édesanyád leromlott pinaját. Legyen jobb a játékban.

[Anonymous No.18676582]

>>18676579
Anyád egy jó éjszakai kibaszott ülés után egész nap kiköpi a sűrű spermámat. Milyen finom kurva!

[Anonymous No.18676600]

>>18676580
>>18676582
még káromkodni se tudsz rendesen te érlelt rigófost szipuzó fattyúgeci, learn the language cursing in hungarian is the purest form of poetry these are laughably bad

[Anonymous No.18676605]

>>18676454
Alright, second Italian meme trilogy here

>>18676490
Wikipedia says that Miklós’ works have been translated into English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak and Turkish.

[Anonymous No.18676620]

>>18676600
Sajnálom, testvér. Csak viccelek. Szeretem Magyarországot!

[Anonymous No.18676649]

>>18676605
>Wikipedia says that Miklós’ works have been translated into English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak and Turkish.
yeah I was wrong it is translated just checked it
>>18676620
I know, me too based fren

[Anonymous No.18676658]

Elkéne egy pálinka...

[Anonymous No.18676668]

>>18676508
I just don't get what would make 2666 a meme book besides being big. It isn't like Prae, Paradiso, Terra Nostra, Bottom's Dream, Finnegans Wake, GR, etc.

[Anonymous No.18676688]

>>18676668
Are you saying it's bad, then? The main meme factor is the crime section. It's like IJ's endnotes.

[Anonymous No.18676695]

>>18675954
Ferdydurke for sure, any book by tokarczuk (we hate her here so not sure), Chłopi by Reymont
I do not know what polish authors are really popular here

[Anonymous No.18676699]

>>18675992
Not him but I thoroughly enjoyed it. I can't really vouch for a translation, though, and keeping in mind it's a novel full of poetic sensibilities made by a poet it's hard to not imagine the only translation available would at best leave a lot to be desired.

[Anonymous No.18676705]

>>18676699
Rabassa is a good enough translator.

[Anonymous No.18676710]

>>18676688
Why would I be saying it is bad? I don't see how the repetition of the crime sections makes it a meme book. And IJ has plenty more factors that make it meme-worthy than just the endnotes.

[Anonymous No.18676725]

>>18675954
Szewcy Witkacy, Kordian Słowacki and Ferdydurke Gombrowicz

[Anonymous No.18676740]

>>18676710
>I don't see how the repetition of the crime sections makes it a meme book
it's the aspect everyone memes about

[Anonymous No.18676761]

>>18676740
Maybe I just don't get it then. Seems like a pretty normal, good book to me. Honestly, I think some of Bolaño's other novels are closer to being meme books than 2666, except they aren't 900 pages.

[Anonymous No.18676781]

Glass Bead Game
The Magic Mountain
Berlin Alexanderplatz

[Anonymous No.18676952]

>>18675864

[Anonymous No.18676994]

>>18676699
The Italian translation feels exactly like the original. Didn’t you find yourself continually lost in the text while reading it? Some anon once told me that the reader should focus more on the rhythm and the flow, but it’s hard to do so when the content is only sporadically enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.18677079]

>>18676781
Nah, not meme-y enough

[Anonymous No.18677250]

>>18676668
it's popular here but few have actually read it. I, at least, get the impression that for a book to be a meme, the reception is far more important than the content itself.

[Anonymous No.18677440]

>>18676490
There is a translation of the first volume of Prae into English. The second is being worked on still alongside the last two volumes of his Black Renaissance series, also highly recommended.

[Anonymous No.18677450]

>>18675961
Celestial Harmony looks interesting. Might pick up a copy. Hungarians always come with the good shit in these threads.

[Anonymous No.18677454]

>>18677250
>the reception is far more important than the content itself
that is retarded but i guess it makes sense why it is put on meme lists

[Anonymous No.18677476]

>>18676761
>pretty normal, good book
memes doesn't mean it's bad. but not sure if it's a "normal" book.

[Anonymous No.18677615]

>>18677476
It isn't very experimental in terms of literary fiction, nor is it very challenging to read. The only meme qualities I can think of are the specific sections of Part 4 and the Leopardi thing. I guess the running sentence introducing Archimboldi? It doesn't really compare to something like Prae or Paradiso or any of the other common meme books.

[Anonymous No.18677838]

What would be the brazillian meme trilogy ?

[Anonymous No.18678065]

One for French !

[Anonymous No.18678106]

>>18677615
>It isn't very experimental in terms of literary fiction, nor is it very challenging to read.
Neither is IJ

[Anonymous No.18678647]

>>18678106
Maybe not experimental in the sense that it was the first to do it but many aspects are still unconventional (ebonics section, footnotes, plot structure, etc). 2666 has none of that unless you consider the things meme-worthy, which seems absurd.

[Anonymous No.18678656]

>>18678106
Maybe not experimental in the sense that it was the first to do it but many aspects are still unconventional (ebonics section, footnotes, plot structure, etc). 2666 has none of that unless you consider the things I already listed meme-worthy, which seems absurd.

[Anonymous No.18678667]

>>18678647
It has an insanely repetitive and autistic section on brutal murders. It has a subplot about a "serial pisser" who pisses inside churches. It has a scene where a guy is raped with a knife in his anus. How's it not meme-y?

[Anonymous No.18678681]

>>18678656
It has an insanely repetitive and autistic section on brutal murders. It has a subplot about a "serial pisser" who pisses inside churches. It has a scene where a guy is raped with a knife in his anus. How's it not meme-y?

[Anonymous No.18678694]

>>18678681
I don't see two vulgar or explicitly brutal scenes as being meme-worthy. Plenty of novels have much more obscene content than that and for a larger portion of the novel. The sacrophobia vigilante is maybe a dozen or so pages, the stabbing (and castration) are maybe two total. I think the repeating autopsy chapters are somewhat meme-worthy but I still don't think it even begins to compare to some of the chapters in IJ and the other novels frequently listed.

[Anonymous No.18678736]

2666 is meme worthy only because whoever made that first pic knows fuck all about Spanish lit and it is one of the very few vaguely unconventional novels he happened to read. Replace it with los sorias and you'll have a good trilogy

[Anonymous No.18678880]

>>18677838
unfortunately, PCO's website seems to be offline, so I couldn't take any of the juicy Neymarpostings

[Anonymous No.18678888]

>>18678736
Correct. This is the original Hispanic meme trilogy. The other one is modified.

[Anonymous No.18678921]

>>18677838
These charts are not separated by country but by language. Even the og meme trilogy does not include only American novels. That said it would not surprise me if the Portuguese trilogy ended up being comprised of only Brazilian novels since that country seems to be utterly devoid of literary value

[Anonymous No.18678948]

>>18677838

[Anonymous No.18678974]

>>18677838
- Os Sertões
- A Invenção de Orfeu
- Grande Sertão

Maybe Avalovara if you want just novels.
And that's it. But our real one would be all poetry:

- Sousândrade
- A Invenção de Orfeu
- Haroldo de Campos's Galáxias

[Anonymous No.18678979]

>>18678974
>ã
>õ
>â
>á
how do you say these?

[Anonymous No.18678983]

>>18678974
I'ld add Romance da Pedra do Reino to your list. It's big, it's weird, no one actually read it.

[Anonymous No.18679006]

>>18678921
>since that country seems to be utterly devoid of literary value

Portuguese literature is actually at least as good as Brazilian literature.

My PT chart would be:

- something by Lobo Antunes
- The Book of Disquiet
- Herberto Hélder's poetry

The problem is that the Portuguese language has very few real novelist, but a decent number of poets. Anyway, all of the books above are very difficult and quite peculiar from a literary perspective.

>>18678983
True, there are many such books I haven't read.
Pedra da Transmutação, in particular, seems to be quite a crazy one. Something about alchemy or whatever. It's an epic poem. Qorpo-Santo's theater is also very interesting memewise.

>>18678979
ahn
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[Anonymous No.18679289]

>>18675864
I've never heared of any of these books. What are they about?

[Anonymous No.18679292]

>third worlders think they are lit and can hold a candle to anglos
How cute. They're even writing in gibberish

[Anonymous No.18679316]

>>18679292
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T LIKE OTHER LITERATURES, ONLY THE (((ANGLO))) ONE

[Anonymous No.18679352]

>>18679289
>renaissance translation of gargantua and pantagruel that supposedly ended up being its own different thing
>German finnegans wake. Linguistically exuberant and fucking huge. Something about a translator of Poe's works being infatuated with his best friends' daughter
>dreamlike exploration of the author's subconscious that is as much about understanding his relationship with his father as it is about traveling through space and time by entering renaissance German painting. Think Umberto eco if he loved renaissance Germany instead of middle ages and with a penchant for anagrams and wordplays

[Anonymous No.18679773]

>>18679292
obvious bait, but anglos wrote only YA literature for last five centuries so... yeah, you gay

[Anonymous No.18679827]

>>18679773
Uhmm, try again Pablo

[Anonymous No.18679909]

what about that polish one?

[Anonymous No.18679918]

>>18678065
tout faux poto

[Anonymous No.18679949]

>>18679918
I know you should not judge a book by its cover but this is the dullest looking chart itt and makes me want to avoid French lit

[Anonymous No.18680021]

>>18679949
French covers tends to be very plain. Just read about Roussel if you want to understand why this chart is not dull at all

[Anonymous No.18680065]

>>18678065
>>18679918
>>18679949
>>18680021
The fact that all French covers are white / yellow / beige / light yellow is so based to be honest

[Anonymous No.18680133]

>>18679827
Let’s narrow this list down to the three must reads to stick to the theme of the thread. Which three would it be?

[Anonymous No.18680137]

>>18679827
>the tunnel
>serious literature

[Anonymous No.18680169]

>>18680133
I quite like infinite jest but most of the board turned against it ever since it has become a pinching bag in most literary-adjacent circles
Gravity rainbow and the recognitions should definitely be part of the American trilogy. I guess the third spot could go to McElroy 's women and men, stein's the making of Americans, or perhaps something by Robert coover

[Anonymous No.18680175]

>>18676952
Vogelaar is a fantastic author. I'd substitute Reve w Het Bureau by Voskuil.

[Anonymous No.18680190]

>>18676366
How difficult are these to read in croatian? My croatian is very poor atm.

[Anonymous No.18680263]

the mall trilogy

[Anonymous No.18680278]

>>18676605
>La cognizione del dolore (1963), translated into English as Acquainted with Grief (George Braziller, 1969) by William Weaver; republished as The Experience of Pain (Penguin, 2017) translated by Richard Dixon.
Which is the best translation?

[Anonymous No.18680285]

>>18679292
bestsellers in Anglo countries:
>Garbriel García Márquez
>Isabel Allende
>Jorge Luis Borges
>Mario Vargas Llosa
>Carlos Ruiz Zafón

kek

[Anonymous No.18680290]

>>18680285
b a s a d o

[Anonymous No.18680299]

>>18680285
I can't believe people are replying to him

[Anonymous No.18680354]

>>18680285
kek

[Anonymous No.18680414]

>>18680278
the latter, tho it's still very hard to capture Gadda's eyetie in transduction.

[Anonymous No.18680433]

>>18680169
IJ is still memed so it qualifies. The theme of the thread is meme trilogies, not the best work per se.

[Anonymous No.18681212]

>>18680433
Based doesn't-know-what-the-meme-trilogy-symbolises-bro

[Anonymous No.18681219]

>>18681212
I don't think you know what it means

[Anonymous No.18681326]

>>18681212
you're the one who doesn't get it pal

[Anonymous No.18681420]

>>18679827
Half of this list is dogshit, tbqh. And Eliot is Bri'ish.

[Anonymous No.18681575]

>>18681420
Your mom is british

[Anonymous No.18681847]

>>18681219
>>18681326
For fucks sake refer to the first fucking post
>>18675880

[Anonymous No.18681887]

>>18681575
My mom is T.S. Eliot.

[Anonymous No.18681978]

>>18681847
And what did I say? IJ fits the bill even though it is not one of the 3 best books on there (Which was never what meme trilogy was about).

[Anonymous No.18682023]

>>18680190
They're not the most difficult Croatian writing, desu, Matoš's stories and especially Krleža's kajkavian poetry can be way more difficult. I mostly picked these because they're big fat novels, I have only read Cyclops.
Ognjište is supposedly not even that good, I picked it because it's memeable enough, written by an important ustasha minister, widely known for his alleged plan for dealing with Serbs in Croatian - "one third is to be converted (to Catholicism), one third is to be evacuated, one third is to be killed".
So, you're learning Croatian?

[Anonymous No.18682198]

>>18675961
Any reason why Hungarians have their last name first? Or is it something that’s always been done with no particular reason

[Anonymous No.18682239]

>>18676432
This is why I don’t fucking read books
Holy shit that’s a lot just to read one book

I wanted to read sole Greek book but people were like first you need to read these history books and then these philosophy books

Why do writers do this?

[Anonymous No.18682248]

>>18680285
>Isabel Allende
i'll never understand why angl*s take her seriously when she's in the same midbrow level as murakami

[Anonymous No.18682278]

>>18682239
It's mostly bullshit, you don't have to read that much "preparatory material", it's just /lit/ trying to make itself look more scholarly.

[Anonymous No.18682283]

>>18675979
>>18675984
>>18678888
is Terra Nostra really a meme book? I haven't read it yet, but it didn't seem to me to fit the dwscription like Paradiso would.
Btw, how isn't Hopscotch in any of those /hisp/ meme trilogies?

[Anonymous No.18682300]

>>18682283
Aside for the chapter order gimmick it isn't nearly as exuberant as the other novels itt. I would have out it over 2666 but that's it

[Anonymous No.18682321]

>>18682283
Hopscotch is tumblrina normie middlebrow shit. It's not meme-y. Terra Nostra is a masterpiece but just like Ulysses, few have finished it.

[Anonymous No.18682354]

>>18682023
Thanks, half of my family is croatian so i'm considering learning it properly

[Anonymous No.18682375]

>>18675864
This is in German too but the three volumes of Hegels Encyclopedia, or Kants Three Critiques. All pretty memey if you ask me

[Anonymous No.18682376]

>>18682283
it's really long, dense and erudite but the style and vocabulary are fairly straightforward. in the end "meme trilogies" seem to refer simply to long "difficult" novels and it's a good excuse to bring up some works that might not be as read or well-known as they could be.

[Anonymous No.18682384]

>>18682321
A lot of people have finished Ulysses

[Anonymous No.18682388]

>>18682375
No. Fuck philosophy. We're trying to have fun here

[Anonymous No.18682389]

>>18682384
I meant in relation to the total readers of books.

[Anonymous No.18682411]

>>18682354
If you want to chat or voice chat in Croatian, hmu. My discord is nescio#4195

[Anonymous No.18682423]

>>18682300
ok, fine. I agree in that sense, but the original meme trilogy was a meme trilogy for more than just being peak exuberance of murican lit. It's more "the obligatory postmodern books one must read to be even considered a literate" in some autistic snob circle. Is there really a circle were Los Sorias is a must read?

[Anonymous No.18682427]

>>18682423
>*(post)modern

[Anonymous No.18682469]

>>18682423
>murican lit
*anglo. I momentarily forgot ulysses.

>>18682321
>normie middlebrow shit
IJ is not that far from this description.

>>18682376
So meme books = long books? Really?

I'm not talking about quality, btw. The thread is about meme books, not good books. Why is Ulysses and not Finnegans Wake part of the original meme trilogy? think about it before taking your picks.

[Anonymous No.18682483]

>>18682469
Meme books can be good books.

[Anonymous No.18682491]

>>18682483
>"I'm not talking about quality"

[Anonymous No.18682502]

>>18682469
>IJ is not that far from this description.
It is far. Few have finished IJ.

[Anonymous No.18682505]

>>18682389
Still doesn't come even close. Ulysses is a staple. Every one who is into lit will eventually check it out

[Anonymous No.18682506]

>>18682198
adjectives precede nouns and most common last names were adjectives back when they appeared

[Anonymous No.18682515]

>>18682423
>Is there really a circle were Los Sorias is a must read?
We can make it this circle. It's not like IJ even at the peak of it's popularity was considered a must by any particular circle. Post-modern lit circles would rec gaddis or barth before dfw

[Anonymous No.18682542]

>>18682502
ok, so meme book = book that many people haven't finished?
I don't like Hopscotch all that much, just to make it clear. I'm defending a definition of a meme book more than the book itself.

>>18682515
>It's not like IJ even at the peak of it's popularity was considered a must by any particular circle.
This one here.
Anyway, how hard is it to read Los Sorias for a Romance-language speaker with good but not completely fluent Spanish? It sounds like the type of autism I'm into.

[Anonymous No.18682687]

>>18682542
>This one here
Exactly. So since we have no standard to which to adhere we can make of the trilogies whatever the fuck we want
However you can't really decide which book to include for other languages based on which are most discussed/memed in here because unsurprisingly enough most of the users here can only speak English so you can't rely on whatever novel gets sporadically translated and gets enough traction
Otherwise the Italian trilogy would be dante/calvino/eco, the French one would be holluebeq/proust/camus, and so on. Which is fucking boring honestly

[Anonymous No.18682780]

>>18682687
ok, fair. But I still think that just picking the weirdest and hardest books is not a good way to recreate a "meme-trilogy". There are more variables to be taken into consideration.

[Anonymous No.18682807]

>>18682780
like?

[Anonymous No.18683303]

>>18682807
Oh, c'mon, I already listed them. If it is all about weirdness, why isn't Finnegans Wake there? There needs to be also a certain level of popularity (even if people don't actually read the book in question) and a certain consensus that one must at least aspire to read them. It must, as well, have at least certain academic or mainstream-intelectual notoriety. In short: your average pseud must want to act as if he read it. Do you really expect a spic Waldun to use Los Sorias in his tumbnail (I'm picking on this book, but I have nothing against it, just to be clear)?
There must be at least some memeness about a meme trilogy.

[Anonymous No.18683335]

>>18683303
It seems like you confuse a pseudy book with a meme book. What is a meme book? That is the question. If we went by "books that norme pseuds want to read" then we'd get the usual suspects, the giga famous books.

[Anonymous No.18683470]

>>18682239
You’ve been fooled by /lit/. Just pick a fucking book and read it. You will never “get” 100% of it anyway.

[Anonymous No.18683510]

>>18683335
I fucking gave a set of conditions. None of them is enough on it's own for a book to be a meme — and this was the precise reason why I made the post. Fuck off. This discussion is pointless and my point is weak, but most of the replies are even dumber.

[Anonymous No.18683518]

>>18683510
You're taking this way too seriously and autistically. Memes are jokes at heart.

[Anonymous No.18683544]

You guys sound like redditors when you discuss what a meme trilogy is. It is simply a group of three novels by three different modern authors, all of which are long, complex, experimental, possibly postmodern and excruciatingly challenging to finish. So far, the only trilogies that match this description are:

>>18675864
>>18675895
>>18675961
>>18675979
>>18675984
>>18678888

[Anonymous No.18683949]

>>18683544
yeah i just wanna see some big bois written in languages i don't speak

[Anonymous No.18684043]

Norwegian meme trilogy:
>Myrbråtenfortellingene
>Jernalderdrøm
>Kron og mynt

Alternatively, add Septologien or Min Kamp (1-6)

[Anonymous No.18684122]

>>18678065
Genet sucks, anything by Perec would be a better choice

[Anonymous No.18684214]

>>18684122
Genet doesn't suck but Perec is better yes.
Anyway, a funnier chart is >>18679918

[Anonymous No.18684235]

>>18675864
This isn't from other languages but it is absolutely the next meme trilogy.

[Anonymous No.18684248]

>>18684235
This is exit level. Fucking based trilogy.

[Anonymous No.18684488]

>>18676322
but this is basic contemporanean colombian lit

[Anonymous No.18685294]

>>18684235
Clarel used to be so obscure now I see everyone talking about it. What gives?

[Anonymous No.18685421]

>>18685294
One anon (most likely that poster) read it and started spamming it so he could eventually talk about it with someone. Weirdly enough he decided to do so by making several "new meme trilogies" in which it was the only constant. I guess he thought that making several threads about it alone would have pished people away rather than make them curious about it

[Anonymous No.18685634]

>>18683335
they have to be infamous in some way too

[Anonymous No.18685718]

>>18678921
>since that country seems to be utterly devoid of literary value
Que?????

[Anonymous No.18685840]

>>18685718
You know it to be true

[Anonymous No.18687483]

>>18685294
I'm not sure, to be honest I haven't read it myself. I made that meme trilogy after finishing the Cantos and Finnegans wake. Melville is sorta making a comeback in regards to his poetry. Obviously Moby Dick is praised to no end on here, but his poetry is not. I guess anons saw how good it was.

[Anonymous No.18687490]

unfamiliar with the idea of a meme trilogy, can someone explain?

[Anonymous No.18687520]

This is a thread of appreciation of "The Untranslated" blog now

[Anonymous No.18687752]

>>18687490
First post
>>18687520
Great blog but the praises he gives to the stuff he likes are embarrassing

[Anonymous No.18688796]

[Anonymous No.18688950]

[Anonymous No.18689008]

>>18688796
there supposedly is a translation of Chevengur into portuguese, a press release was made back in 2019, the book never hit the bookstores. importing a used books to read it in English is injustifiably expensive, so I'm still waiting for this fuckers to actually publish the damn thing.
how is it?

[Anonymous No.18689315]

>>18688950
Based: for including Beckett among the French, and for the Nouvelle Justine; Faustroll I found a little underwhelming, sadly.

[Anonymous No.18689778]

>>18687752
I mean, what unites each "meme trilogy"? Is it just something you have to figure out?

[Anonymous No.18691324]

>>18678065
God, I should really get around to rereading Proust.

[Anonymous No.18691412]

>>18689315
Is the new Justine any better then Justine or is it the same thing just with more smut

[Anonymous No.18692148]

>>18681420
Not so simple.

>"I'd say that my poetry has obviously more in common with my distinguished contemporaries in America than with anything written in my generation in England. That I'm sure of. ... It wouldn't be what it is, and I imagine it wouldn't be so good; putting it as modestly as I can, it wouldn't be what it is if I'd been born in England, and it wouldn't be what it is if I'd stayed in America. It's a combination of things. But in its sources, in its emotional springs, it comes from America."

>"It is self-evident that St. Louis affected me more deeply than any other environment has ever done. I feel that there is something in having passed one's childhood beside the big river, which is incommunicable to those people who have not. I consider myself fortunate to have been born here, rather than in Boston, or New York, or London.

As much as he larped as a Britisher, he never forgot his American roots. Even that larping, which was as much about Christianity and Conservatism as Britishness had its roots in his time at Harvard with Babbitt.

[Anonymous No.18692159]

>>18682248
>Midbrow

I don't think that this is going to catch on, anon.

[Anonymous No.18692185]

>>18679827
>William James

I like him a great deal as both a thinker and a prose stylist (all too rare in philosophy as we all know), but he's a really odd choice for this list. His stuff is far more in the academic philosophy camp as opposed to someone like Emerson who blurs the lines between literature and philosophy.

[Anonymous No.18692243]

>>18692159
You said the same thing about midwit

[Anonymous No.18692311]

>>18692243
No I didn't. I don't use it, but I see the utility and appeal. Midbrow sounds too flattering as "highbrow" conjures up images of fiveheads and lowbrow conjures up images of primates. Outdated.

[Anonymous No.18692319]

>>18676952
niet eens bijna meme trilogy

[Anonymous No.18693175]

>>18691412
Well, he increased the length to a 1000 pages

[Anonymous No.18693182]

>>18692319
suggesties?

[Anonymous No.18693321]

>>18693175
That does not really answer my question tho, does it?

[Anonymous No.18693468]

>>18692148
>being so self-conscious and self-reflective about your own artistic creations
Why are English-speaking people so cringe

[Anonymous No.18694668]

>>18685421
kek that sounds based af

[Anonymous No.18694679]

>>18692148
He is Bri'ish and renounced his Murica citizenship, if he truly cared, he wouldn't have done this.

[Anonymous No.18694867]

>>18694679
His renouncing citizenship is not a wholesale rejection of his Americanness. I'm not claiming that there was nothing British about him or anything like that (my words were "not so simple"), just that he's not merely a Brit: He was Anglo-American. Whether that emphasis should be on the former or the latter is up for debate, but I'd lean towards latter. Notably, he was producing poetry for which he is highly-regarded today prior to moving to England. Also, while a lot of the Britishness is genuine affinity with England (e.g. his love of the metaphysical poets), a lot is self-consicous PR as protest against the young, progressive upstart that Eliot saw the U.S. as: ironically a protest which had its origins in, as I mentioned earlier, his time at Harvard with Babbitt. One also can't forget his admiration for Henry James, who was something of a prototype good American expat for Eliot.

>>18693468
>Being so impatient with an old man trying to come to terms with himself and is art
Why are non-English-speaking people so rude?