How do we save the STEMfags?

[Anonymous No.18676174]

[Anonymous No.18676185]

Nothing we can do until they realize their own arrogance and how it blinds them.

[Anonymous No.18676220]

Discredit the inherent good of technology and “progress.” We do this by need showing them that at present moment they are building the scaffolding of their own gulag. They will be filtered. They are in danger.

[Anonymous No.18676347]

>>18676174
Stemchad here, what’s wrong with learning?

[Anonymous No.18676370]

>>18676174
STEMfags are fine as long as they aren't eliminative materialists and scientismtards.

[Anonymous No.18676372]

>>18676174
Save me from what? I'm an engineer in the oil & gas sector, I make big bux, I enjoy my work,and I have plenty of time for leisure.

[Anonymous No.18676373]

I'm a stemfag who only reads metaphysical works and only does enough work to slide by with B's and C's in my classes.
Anyway what are you trying to save me from?

[Anonymous No.18676380]

>>18676373
positivism

[Anonymous No.18676389]

>>18676380
I see then, thank you for your effort.

[Anonymous No.18676394]

>>18676373
Rationalism

[Anonymous No.18676404]

>>18676174
With a proper foundation of sciences through a complete phenomenological analysis of the transcendantal.
Math is mostly fine, though, it doesn't need "saving", just to be more engaged with foundational research.

[Anonymous No.18676420]

>>18676370
absolutely nothing wrong with what dawkins said, especially in context
nothing wrong with what nye said there either, even if you disagree with it

shitty meme tbqh

[Anonymous No.18676434]

>>18676185
Yes, it has to come from within.
I was the cringiest "I FUCKING LOVE BASEDENCE" stembug, but I felt completely soulless and empty inside, I was suppressing my existential angst rather than engaging it. So now I'm reading through the Western canon of philosophy and feeling way better.

[Anonymous No.18676471]

>>18676174
i am 27 yo stemfag, who is not smart enough to be a stereotypical stemfag, and who is insitncitvely nussated by 'YOU WILL OBEY SCIENCE' stemfagging attitude, but I also wasted too much time stemfagging to develop meanigful understanding of actual worthlessness of stemfagging
i earn lots of money in my IT autism field, so its cool

[Anonymous No.18676492]

>>18676372
>>18676471
>Muh money muhfugga

[Anonymous No.18676501]

>>18676471
> 'YOU WILL OBEY SCIENCE' stemfagging attitude
also 27yo stemfag, this attitude doesn't really exist outside enthusiastic(?) laymen

[Anonymous No.18676504]

>>18676492
If I'm going to work, it'd better support me financially to a comfortable degree, yes.

[Anonymous No.18676515]

>>18676471
>and who is insitncitvely nussated by 'YOU WILL OBEY SCIENCE' stemfagging attitude
28 y/o stemfag, I've literally never seen this attitude in actual academic establishments, I've spent the first 3 years of my stemfagging in uni learning about how fallible science is, and that it's a permanent work-in-progress, and that it works as an approximation of how the world works at the very best, not a definitive breakdown of it.

[Anonymous No.18676532]

>>18676515
as the "also 27yo stemfag" I agree with this post 100%

[Anonymous No.18676542]

>>18676501
>enthusiastic(?) laymen
and what is the core of every R&D department of any kind of big tech corpo?

>>18676492
im sorry poorfag but i need to keep griding
sigma mindset or being kafkas roach - your choice

[Anonymous No.18676548]

>>18676542
>the core of every R&D department of any kind of big tech corpo
ah perhaps that is so, I wouldn't know, still in an academic space personally

[Anonymous No.18676552]

>>18676515
>>18676532
>in actual academic establishments
im not academia-tier smart, as i said
my coworkers are fresh graduates. hardly anyone (in their 20s) in the company have masters these days. they get bachelor they go to work.

[Anonymous No.18676896]

>>18676174
I'm always surprised by the arrogance of many posters of /lit/.
The same guys who believe in Semitic fairy tales are trying to tell me that I need to be saved.
It's funny.

[Anonymous No.18676922]

>>18676347
just learning STEM is pretty one sided. The whole us labelism of STEM; analytic, continental; science, arts - is pretty shit also.
But OP is just a faggot. Most philosophy people I know also know their maths, physics, linguistics and anthropology.

[Anonymous No.18676923]

>>18676174
[blog]
I'm a STEMfag. Against my will, that is. My parents forced me to drop my music studies degree, and take a job as a code monkey. I'm thinking about going back to uni, but it's financially risky. I hate programming. All I ever wanted to do is to be an academic in a humanities subject. Maybe it's too late now.
>40 years until retirement
>40 years until retirement
>40 years until retirement
[/blog]

[Anonymous No.18676946]

>>18676896
Friendly reminder that you WILL burn in hell unless you REPENT now! The LORD WILL grant you mercy, but if you do not repent, the Lake of Fire WILL be your home for eternity.
Have a terrific evening, anon.

[Anonymous No.18676959]

>>18676923
You know music-making and coding can very much go hand-in-hand, right? If anything, becoming a code monkey has opened a whole new world of music-making you weren't even aware of. Go to /g/ for more information.

[Anonymous No.18676978]

>>18676959
Music studies (aka musicology) has very little to do with making music, anon. It's about music theory throughout the ages, music history, study of instruments, study of performance practices, and so on.
There hasn't been a single good piece of music created since 1909 btw

[Anonymous No.18677006]

>>18676978
Why would you wanna the study of music if you have no intention of making music yourself?

[Anonymous No.18677024]

>>18677006
you wouldn't get it

[Anonymous No.18677052]

>>18677024
In that case, your parents did the right thing.

[Anοnymous No.18677769]

>>18676372
going STEMfag for job opportunities then self-studying humanities afterwards is the ticket
that being said, I fucking hate people who criticize STEM in general, some breeder bitch with 8 kids at the vet the other day was lecturing this cute college girl beside me about how humanities is what shapes the soul, not math and science, dumb fucking cunt

[Anonymous No.18677847]

ITT: Retards who can't into STEM seething and coping.
Reminder: Mathematicians and the scientifically literate make the best philosophers and science is synonymous with philosophy
> Let no one ignorant of geometry enter

[Anonymous No.18677881]

>>18676420
That was my impression too.

I think non-STEM philosophers and many scientists get many of the philosophical implications of experiments all wrong. For example, several physicists have told me that there is no need for "the observer" in the observer effect to be sentient or thinking or anything like that. It could be any "macroscopic" system that changes state observably when a quantum state collapses to take a particular value. For example, photographic plates can detect when a single radioactive atom has decayed. That the plate is not sentient does not stop it from being an observer. My point is, lots of thinkers and published authors don't want to do the work of understanding the details of the scientific experiments, so they get things wrong when they extrapolate from those experiments to make statements about God and free will and such. At least that is my impression. Certainly ordinary philosophy majors don't get the observer effect.

In the Schrödinger's cat hypothetical, what confuses me is this: would not the cesium-137 atom act as it's own observer? When a cesium-137 does decay, it emits energy, a neutrino, a gamma photon, and a high energy electron, and it becomes a barium-137 atom (if I recall correctly). So I don't quite understand where the quantum uncertainty is. Once the high energy electron is expelled from a neutron in the nuceleus of the atom, it is no longer cesium-137, it is now barium-137, and this is irreversible and observable and can be observed over and over again by spectroscopy or mass spectrometry...so I don't think there is any quantum uncertainty. I think it is simply unknown as to whether the atom will decay. It's a bad thought experiment, it should depend on an unread quibit. And there shouldn't be a cat. So really it should just be a quibit. It's fine to give the cat in the box as an absurd analogy but I am afraid it has caused more misunderstanding than understanding.

[Anonymous No.18677883]

>>18676923
>>18676978
Cope, you are a brainlet if you don't see how you can give the study of music a programmatic treatment.
Pic-related, a God of mathematics, studied music mathematically and derived some interesting models; I'm sure you could do the same thing but based on principles unknown to him in his time (i.e. computation theory and linguistics)
You were trained in Comp. Sci. as well and not just the code-monkey pajeet tier shit right?

[Anonymous No.18677913]

>>18676978
Musicology is a den of pseuds. I'm thankful to your parents for preventing another dusty faggot from wanking it to Beethoven's memory for a living
t. Professional musician

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18677930]

>>18676174
Save? The philosophyfags are the ones in need of saving

[Anonymous No.18677945]

>>18677847
Artists weren't allowed admission into the Pythagorean academy either.
But there is a great difference between stem autism and meditation on numbers, equations and figures.

[Anonymous No.18677951]

>>18676174
There is no need to "save" us. Those who practice science truthfully and wholeheartedly end up seeing the truth.

[Anonymous No.18678104]

>>18676174
The supposed bad apples save themselves in time, not to worry. While certain STEMfags in all their autism will cling unflinchingly to eliminative materialism and simplistic rationalism, their spergy zeal for rigor will in time radicalize their belief structure; They'll (in all likelihood) realize first that both these belief systems are neither exhaustive nor foundational, at worst, in the fields founded on their intersection, even contradictory. And on a consequent journey for 'more' truth and rigor, find that their explanatory efficiency is conditonal, and their theory all predicated on some manner of idealism, if not at bottom a theology. Don't lose hope, friends. Man is on the ascendent.

[kafkeine !!Cyef12kMnIb No.18678172]

>>18677881
I feel as though the discourse surrounding the phenomenological problems posed by the materialist interpretations of quantum mechanics goes one of two ways: (1.) We conceive of the identity of the point particle (atom included) as derivative from energetic difference in an incomprehencible immanent field - a lá Deleuze's neo-stoic naturalism - leaving consciousness as a 'produced', epiphenomenal effect. Or (2.) we accept consciousness as foundational, and in consequence pose our own subjecthood(s) as a condition on the same plane as the material. Tradfags dislike this analogy because its invocation of what in principle is a materialist theory makes of their fascination with solipsistic soteriology a mockery, but I nevertheless hold it to be accurate and not as radically degenerate as they think; As though we were to accept the nondual consciousness of the advaitins.

[Anonymous No.18678197]

>>18677930
Says the Neechum posting sapphist.

[Anonymous No.18678211]

I used to be a STEMfag, I was so excited about how to learn to program a compiler, wanted to self study further parts of my electrical engineering course but I just lost all interest

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18678219]

>>18678197
YES.

[kafkeine !!Cyef12kMnIb No.18678282]

>>18678219
Based amor fati gigachad

[Anonymous No.18678307]

>>18676174
>be physics major with philosophy minor

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18678317]

>>18678282
Would she be considered a “Stacy” or should there be a better name for it?

[Anonymous No.18678323]

>>18678317
Butterfly, are you not my bitch? :3

Tell me you are

[Anonymous No.18678328]

>>18678219
>>18678282
There are no transcendental realm, no phenomenological reduction, no contemplation of the eidetic purity of the content of my inner self, that allows me to escape the absolute hatred that I have for (you). You are quite literally polluting the ontological foundation of Being by your continued existence.

[Anonymous No.18678331]

>>18676471
only idiots hold such a belief

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS No.18678344]

>>18678323
I am not. As you know.
Now stop talking to me.

[Anonymous No.18678358]

>>18678344
Butterfly, why not play along with THAT? Have you ever thought of the ridiculous aftereffects you would have if you said yes?

You have already given me a HUGE surge of confidence by being so interested in me in front of everyone.

Look, you ARE NOT allowed to do anything with anyone else. You are my bitch. It's not up to you. :3

[kafkeine !!Cyef12kMnIb No.18678375]

>>18678328
Nice try Husserl. We all know your self-presence is open to penetration.

[Anonymous No.18678404]

>>18676515
>I've literally never seen this attitude in actual academic establishments
25 yo stemfag who completely lost it's passion (if I had any) for science and just wants to do philosophy and write poetry
a lot of people I am surrounded with, either same age or older, are hardcore scientist believers, to the religious point. these are people studying both bachelors, masters and phds, some even working. they question little to none of the scientific authority. personally, it seems like they forgot what is means to actually produce science, not results. that being said, you are absolutely right, and I feel a total lack of respect for science nowadays, and it's rooted specifically in the scientists.
also they're hardcore materialists and feel very frail when confronted with the possibility that maybe science doesn't explain anything
>>18676922
>The whole us labelism of STEM; analytic, continental; science, arts - is pretty shit also.
you know, I usually diss on analytical philosophy, but you're absolutely right.
>>18676434
godspeed anon, I feel much happier as I drift away from science. the only thing I feel like I could do now is write on the condition of modern science. kary mullis must be turning in his grave.

[Anonymous No.18678518]

>>18678404
>also they're hardcore materialists and feel very frail when confronted with the possibility that maybe science doesn't explain anything
another 27 year old STEMfag here. whenever i float the possibility or lead the conversation in the direction of "this way of knowing the world is insufficient and has its shortcomings," they don't get offended. i just get a look like i started speaking in tongues. it doesn't even register.

but yes, sharing the complete loss of motivation and interest, especially after this last year. not sure what to do.

[Anonymous No.18678666]

>>18677881
Literally just read quantum theory.