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I am going to make an argument for this: All Abrahamic scriptures and texts should be burned and defaced from the Internet. Those who still insist on following them should be executed. There is no such thing as a good sincere Muslim, Christian, or Jew. The world must de-Abrahamize.

There is absolutely no merit, no beauty, and no depth in any Abrahamic text when compared to Dharmic religions, Celtic & Germanic Neo-Paganism, Greek mystery schools, Mazdan traditions, Daoism, Shintoism, etc. All of the Abrahamic traditions are death fetishist and involve a complex structure of psyops controlled by Semites. All Christians are fundamentally Judaic in spirit whereas Muslims are Arabic in spirit. Regardless, the Zohar treats them as all useful fools, much like gentiles who have a shell containing chaos ("Qliphoth) to fulfill their destructive prophecies. All gentiles exist to be scapegoated by Jews for their sins, much like their ritual involving smashing chicken to transfer sin, and all Abrahamic offshoots from their original religions are modeled in such a way to serve their interests as others abandon their ancestral Gods. There is a complex network of esoteric secret organization that sustain a system of controlled opposition to maintain the legitimacy of the absolute filth of their traditions.

Every single Abrahamist will go to hell or have a negative rebirth until they abandon their filth. Much of their intellectuals are selected by secret esoteric groups (e.g., Freemasons/Jesuits and Rene Girard whose overemphasis on scapegoating mechanism has precedence in the Talmud).

Most religions are oriented towards a fundamental principle one can work towards, whether suddenly or gradually:

The core idea of Mahayana is prajnaparamita (i.e., seeing things as they are and manifesting one's infinite and non-deluded Buddha nature and living according to it)
The core idea of Daoism is Wu-Wei and seeking elixir of Immortality.
The core idea of Zoroastrianism is purification by embodying Spenta Mainyu ('sacred mental state / spirit').
The core idea of Celtic or Germanic neo-paganism is sustaining the racial character of one's group and communing with the spirit or divine archetypes of Nature.
The core idea of Abrahamism is *salvation via faith* and upholding divine commandments that were exclusively revealed to one irrelevant tribe of hucksters.

>> No.18693537

>>18693536

All Abrahamism is defined purely by faith in the irrelevant events that transpired in the Semitic sphere, and thus, they are tools of imperialism rather than honest systems of metaphysical inquiry. They are systems of inaction that merely strengthen the Semitic sphere to the point they mock their followers by having them worship black rocks or cuck to a 'holy' wall. They are therefore dangerous, and there should be an alliance of non-Abrahamists that cleanse this world of their filth. Softening to any Abrahamist, rather than seeking distance and treating them like the trash they are, will only serve as a recipe for disaster. The scholastic traditions and philosophies of Abrahamic religion come off as a joke, even when one or two of their mystics might say one interesting thing from time to time.

There is no such thing as Muslim/Christian European, Indian, Persian, Chinese, or etc. Abrahamic identity is irreconcilable with Indo-European and East Asian derived cultures, and Israel and the Levant should be contained and barred from interacting and trading with much of the world as they de-Abrahamize. They have destroyed the ancestral religions and diverse sensible philosophies of West Eurasia. Not a single thought-provoking word has been said by the likes of Attar, St. Augustine, and so forth.

Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, and so forth, many of which did not exist, are all eating shit in hell, and their followers will join them in due time.

Pic related said killing icchantikas is fine, and I don't think he meant it figuratively.

>> No.18693541

Just say you got filtered by Paradise Lost and Faust next time. It’s shorter.

>> No.18693545

/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/.

>> No.18693550

>>18693541
Worse, he was filtered by the Bible and the Qur'an.

>> No.18693556
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18693556

>neo-paganism
bahahaha, are you serious?

>> No.18693563

>>18693536
Pray tell, what is the literary merit of neopaganism?

>> No.18693564

>>18693545
I was considering to post this on lit.
I am discussing the need to burn and destroy all access to specific forms of literature. It is necessary at this point. Everyone who disagrees should be executed, which is a normative statement.

>> No.18693569

>>18693536
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Zoroastrianism is practically the forefather of abrahamic eschatology and moral dualism.

>> No.18693570

>>18693563
The Vikings became one with the sea,
the Celts became one with the ancient forests,
together as one tribe united by blood,
they did much beyond your pathetic worship of Semites.

>> No.18693576

>>18693569
>Zoroastrianism is practically the forefather of abrahamic eschatology and moral dualism.
NO IT IS NOT.
STOP CLAIMING ZOROASTRIANISM, YOU DUMB CUNT.
Stop it! You haven't even read the Gathas or various scriptures.
Abrahamists were influenced by Zoroastrianism but bastardized it beyond recognition.
You were meant to follow teachers like Mazdak, not that Jew on a stick or sick Bedouin.
Kys, you drujvan and disgusting worshiper of lies. You genetic trash and illiterate scoundrel.

>> No.18693578

>>18693564
Good, now you will have your thread removed, unhinged schizo.

>> No.18693580

>>18693570
And the literary merit of this is...?

>> No.18693587

>>18693578
The reality is that all Abrahamists are the unhinged schizos. You're projecting.
>>18693580
Read the Tain and Irish folklore, especially the parts about Dagda's house and the spirits of those two cows fighting amongst the cyclical transformations of nature, the name presently escapes me.
Far deeper than any of your Abrahamic trash.
Also, I don't consider you a sentient being, so I won't speak to you with respect fyi.

>> No.18693588

>>18693536
Somewhat worthwhile post. Needs finer articulation.

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>>18693576
I'm not claiming jack. I'm pointing out the fact your historically revisionist narrative doesn't say what you think it does. Kill yourself.

>> No.18693601

>>18693596
I've read far more than you, illiterate jackass.
I have much better tastes in art, including film & literature, and I am much more well-informed on various strands of theology and mysticism.
You are absolute trash compared to me.
You don't need to kys because you're already dead.

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>>18693601
You got me. Immaculate shitposting

>> No.18693611

>>18693587
I can guarantee you that *if* you ever get married and have children (doubtful, as you seem filtered by evolution already), that your children will become Muslims. How does that feel?

>> No.18693617

>>18693569
>Zoroastrianism is practically the forefather of abrahamic eschatology and moral dualism.
Very poor understanding of religious history (and Zoroastrianism for that matter).

>> No.18693649

>>18693587
>especially the parts about Dagda's house and the spirits of those two cows fighting amongst the cyclical transformations of nature, the name presently escapes me.
Note, the stuff about Dagda's oneiric house of unfathomable beauty is from Lady Gregory's Gods and Fighting Men.
Also, I meant to say there was a story of two pig keepers (Finnbhennach and Donn Cualinge) whose spirits fight as in the cyclical transformations until culminating in being eaten by a mystical white cow and black cow.
I can give quotations/excerpts for both.
It's better than anything from Abrahamic filth.

>> No.18693655

>>18693649
Second story with pig keepers is from cattle raid part of The Tain*.

>> No.18693697

>>18693536
Gnosticism is the way

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Ignore all brahmajala posters and follow the dharma.

>> No.18693733

>>18693709
Pasty white westerners with twig wrists larping as orientals and using their terminology is incredibly cringe.

>> No.18693744

>>18693733
I am swarthy and take my Meds.

>> No.18693750

>>18693744
>med larping as a pajeet
Arguably even worse, as a medbvll myself, you disgust me

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>>18693750
I think it's time you returned to tradition my bipoc friend

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>>18693759
>these greco buddhist statues mean buddhism isn't exclusively asian, see!
Nice pilpul, poo lover. Unfortunately that's not how it works.

>> No.18693787

>>18693767
Poos don't even do Buddhism anymore so what's your point? Same could be said of westerners to platonism, they're all about that INRI guy now.

>> No.18693794

>>18693787
It's about mentality. Buddhism inherently appeals to the self-hating poo mentality.
Platonism and Christianity are very compatible.

>> No.18693804

>>18693536
Rather harsh. My own religion is considered Dharmic by most, and I find that there is plenty of wisdom, beauty, and truth to be found in the Quran, Bible, and Hebrew Bible. I will admit I haven't read these scriptures in their entirety, but what I have read have had parts which are quite beautiful.

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>>18693794
What could be more self hating than praying to god to take you to heaven and free you from the world you believe he created and the body he created?

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Dharma is the true /fitlit/

>> No.18693906

>>18693835
>What could be more self hating
Anatta.
That being said, read Plato, your assessment is immature.

>> No.18693982

>>18693906
If there is a self, where was it before birth? Christians want an immortal afterlife but they had no before-life. They are ex nihilo ad aeternum. Nihilists par excellence. Plato at least has metempsuchosis.

>> No.18694006

>>18693982
In the pleroma
>nihilist accusing others of nihilism when it makes absolutely no sense in context
This is why I don't argue with b*ddhists

>> No.18694038

>>18693794
>Platonism and Christianity are very compatible.
Not at all.
**The idea of salvation in tandem to historically revealed events rather than from one's own philosophical inquiries is antithetical to Platonism and Greek philosophy in general.**
Christianity is about the Incarnation and Resurrection. The entire faith hinges on whether Jesus arose from his tomb to preach one more time.
Platonism is about the forms or abstractions that precede one's thought and serve as a generalization of various phenomena. For example, the perfect form of beauty, which is use to classify other manifestations of beauty.
The only Platonic influence I see is hypostatic union, but by confining this principle to one Jew, it becomes too Semitic. Why couldn't hypostatic union occur with others? It's because you have faith in one irrelevant Jew and believe "salvation is from the Jews". **The idea of salvation in tandem to historically revealed events rather than from one's own philosophical inquiries is antithetical to Platonism and Greek philosophy in general.**
It doesn't sound philosophical at all. It's not something you can reach through philosophical introspection.

I had to repeat myself twice because you're an insentient moron.

>> No.18694047

>>18694038
Read Augustine you fucking pseud. Your entire post is garbage.

>> No.18694053

>>18694047
I've read a good deal of St. Thomas Aquinas.
They use Greek philosophy in a disingenuous way. For every interesting thing they say, they say 10 retarded things that don't necessarily follow.

>> No.18694067

>>18694006
The context is that you by your own beliefs were caused by nothing and have hypostatized it.

>> No.18694069

>>18694047
>coomers for christ
Every time. You can't just pray your actions away.

>> No.18694084

>>18694006
>>18694047
Also, Buddhism has a far more complex philosophical tradition than Cuckstianity or Pisslam.
Vasabandhu and Dharmakirti are far more sensible than fucking St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine.
Buddhism is more than just misinterpretations of Nagarjuna.

>> No.18694109

>>18694084
>Buddhism has a far more complex philosophical tradition
Fucking deluded orientalists jacking off over autistic terminological debates
Buddhists are the redditors of spirituality. No mind for beauty at all, just sterile "efficiency", no sense of wonder, only inelegant metaphysical obfuscation. Literally soulless. Physicalism with extra steps

>> No.18694138

>>18694109
Have you read any of the Chinese Ch'an poets like Shiwu or Japanese Zen poets like Ryokan?
They do have a strong sense of wonder and experience of sublime beauty. It's more that they discourage clinging to such experience, seeking their repetition which may lead to craving and becoming like a "hungry ghost" (to use a Chinese metaphor).
You're just a surly Christcuck piece of shit that can't acknowledge your tradition is Semitic in origin. You just want to feel better about yourself.
You have many other more sensible options. I'm not arguing you should become a Buddhist, but I'm saying Buddhists are worthy of respect whereas you are only of the sword to your head.
Every single Abrahamism should die. You have sent the world to a spiraling chaos thanks to Freemasons, Jesuits, creepy imans, Luciferian rabbis, and so forth. Abrahamic traditions are fundamentally death fetishist at their core.

>> No.18694147

>>18693536
*hides thread*
try harder faggot

>> No.18694157

>one irrelevant tribe of hucksters
Hard to not think of Catholic indulgences!

>> No.18694158

>>18694138
Not a Christian. Seethe harder about your bugman tradition being soulless, bugman.

>> No.18694170

>>18694138
>Abrahamic traditions are fundamentally death fetishist
Says the guy whose religion's second or third most important scripture (diamond sutra) is literally about telling people they're soulless and that they don't exist
Now you're gonna hit me with the buddhist sophistry about how I "didn't get it and it actually means that sunyata permeates everything and [tl;dr]" but you know I'm right and that the death fetishist here is you since the highest goal of your religion is to kill your soul

>> No.18694172

>>18694158
It's the Abrahamic traditions that are fundamentally soulless.
Regardless of your disagreement in the fundamental tenets or beliefs of Mahayana or Theravada Buddhism, it is a much more sensible and enriching tradition than Abrahamism.
Also, there are many misinterpretations of the Dharma thanks to morons like Alan Watts. I recommend more scholarly sources such as Red Pine/Bill Porter.
I can disagree with Buddhists while still respecting them.
However, I wish nothing but destruction upon all Abrahamists. To slaughter the Abrahamists is to cleanse this world and bring forth more beauty. Native trees will be planted over their corpses.

>> No.18694175

Counter-argument: you need to be 18 to post here

>> No.18694192

>>18694172
Abrahamism will forever be superior to Buddhism if only because it isn't annihilationist. Don't care about the rest.

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>>18694109
>inelegant metaphysical obfuscation
At least my father had a father. Christers can't even figure out genealogy.

>> No.18694201

>>18694170
What translation of the Diamond Sutra did you read? The Diamond Sutra mainly revolved around how charity without a sense of expectation of reward leads to better awakening to one's Buddha nature or positive karma.
Also, claiming people don't exist is adharma. In the Heart Sutra, it is claimed "form is emptiness; emptiness is form", which indicates a nondual relationship between the individual self and seamless, infinite fabric of the Universe (Dharmakaya). It is roughly analogous to Advaita's self and Self dichotomy, but in a more overtly nondual manner.
Buddhism is explicit in not falling into either nihilism or eternalism.
I'm not defending Buddhism, but I'm just making the point you're arguing more from misconceptions.

>> No.18694202

>>18694197
>brainlet meme response
As expected

>> No.18694205

>>18693536
The core idea of Abrahamism is mediation between heaven and earth, and time and space.

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>>18694201
Don't bother, everything is nihilism to a theologian.

>> No.18694224

>>18694192
I do not think 'neither perception nor non-perception' is referring to nothingness.

>> No.18694239

>>18694201
>form is emptiness; emptiness is form
Nondualism only ever leads to annihilation in practice. I also consider advaita to be annihilationist. Even neoplatonism is not exempt from this. Monistic interpretations always lead to the same place, read genealogy of nihilism. The only exception in the east might be vishishtadvaita.
>not falling into either nihilism or eternalism.
This means nothing in practice. Again, this and the other unanswered questions that all end in "neither X, nor Y, nor X and Y, nor not X and not Y..." are just obfuscation and amount to an implicit endorsement of annihilation. You have to go through extreme mental gymnastics to read sutras that pertain to the ontology of being and not immediately conclude that Buddhism endorses the complete obliteration of the individual.
>>18694213
Retard.

>> No.18694260

>>18694239
I actually agree with your criticism of monism, but I can respect them unlike Abrahamists.
Also, their arguments tend to be strong and don't resort solely to baseless faith in trivial historical events. I like this quote from Dogen:
“If you are unable to find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?”
Dogen is notoriously hard to translate though, but I still like that quote and it ties into my OP. I interpret the nature of truth differently from Dogen and Hakuin, but I consider most non-Abrahamic religions to be able to co-exist. The issue is Abrahamism cannot coexist.
I consider myself a cosmic dualist like Empedocles and Mardanfarrokh.

>> No.18694277

>>18694260
It's a matter of priorities then. I find annihilationism revolting, so I prefer abrahamism to any kind of annihilation.
>“If you are unable to find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?”
There would be plenty of answers to this in the gospels, Luke 17:21 being the most obvious one. And that's not even getting into the gnostics, namely the gospel of Thomas
Seems like you dislike abrahamism because it espouses a linear view of history rather than a cyclical/infinite one, i.e. that revelations are predicated on the occurrence of specific historical events rather than the timeless periodical resurgence of truths. This is actually an argument I am sympathetic to and the main reason why I am not a Christian.

>> No.18694278

>>18693794
>the inferior(Christianity) is compatible with the superior(Platonism) if I squint my eyes and ignore enough aspects of both systems
A little bit of poo in a glass of water is not a symbiosis of water and poo, it is merely poo water.

>> No.18694308

>>18694277
>Seems like you dislike abrahamism because it espouses a linear view of history rather than a cyclical/infinite one
Nope. Read my OP again. I don't like having to repeat myself multiple times.
>I find annihilationism revolting, so I prefer abrahamism to any kind of annihilation.
First off, I do not agree with your claim "annihilationism", better to say "cessation of perception and feeling", is necessarily equivalent to being death fetishist.
Second off, I claimed Abrahamism is fundamentally death fetishist because it seeks to destroy native cultures and supplant Semitic historiography as if they are closer to the Truth. It is less about realization reached through one's own mind and more about having faith in poorly recorded historical events. It is not uncommon to come across Christians, Muslims, or Jews who describe everything in terms of descent to the "12 tribes of Israel" or whatever. Everything revolves around the irrelevant, petty conflicts of backwards, dumb Semitic tribes to Abrahamists morons.
Jesus was a stupid, irrelevant Jew who most likely didn't exist. He didn't rise again in his tomb.
Muhammad was a bloodthirsty maniac and pedophile who most likely didn't exist. There's no way he had a "final revelation", and anyone who questions that gets beheaded.
Judaism is a joke ethno-religion where all non-Jews are considered descendants of Esau who merely exist to serve descendants of Jacob (Jews) until they are beheaded. Even in Zohar, the contraction of God's light (tzimtzum) is described as exclusive to Jews who receive the divine sparks whereas all gentiles are hollow shells with nothing but chaos and darkness (Qliphoth).

>> No.18694317

>>18694308
>"cessation of perception and feeling"
How is that not embracing annihilation?

>> No.18694340

>>18694317
It depends on the overall metaphysical framework you adopt. The experience of the seamless, infinite fabric of the Dharmakaya is not supposed to be easily comprehensible. That's why Mahayana Buddhists privilege experience over ratiocination.
I disagree with them for a number of reasons, but I can respect them. I do not think it's fair to call Buddhism nihilistic especially when there is a system of karma at place tied to the storehouse consciousness, which is also involved rebirth/palingenesis. The Lankavatara Sutra discusses that more, which is a more difficult and terse text than the Diamond Sutra.
I would agree some Buddhists like Stephen Batchelor are fundamentally nihilistic because they push for Buddhism to be more compatible with contemporary physicalism.
Lankavatara Sutra also discusses "projection bodies", but it's good to be careful from becoming too New Agey. There are minor preter or supernatural elements in Mahayana.

>> No.18694361

>>18694340
For a tradition that allegedly privileges experience over metaphysical deliberation, they sure have written a lot of metaphysical treatises.
Karma as it is involved in rebirth is inherently impersonal; there is nothing individual about my "karma", a lot of buddhists liken it to mere causality expressed as an all-permeating essence. Even if the flow of karma survives, it is only incidentally related to me, but has nothing to do with my personhood. Alayavijnana seems to me like one of the numerous concepts buddhists have come up with in order to justify their non-personalist stance, in the end it complicates their system which gives it even less credence.
>New Agey
What do you mean?

>> No.18694383

>>18694361
>For a tradition that allegedly privileges experience over metaphysical deliberation, they sure have written a lot of metaphysical treatises.
It's a mix of phenomenology and philosophical argumentation. For example, Dharmakirti's philosophy has a lot of parallels with Deleuze. Likewise, Vasubandhu has a little bit with Kant.
>Karma as it is involved in rebirth is inherently impersonal; there is nothing individual about my "karma", a lot of buddhists liken it to mere causality expressed as an all-permeating essence.
There can still be complex interrelations even without a fixed, underlying self. Even if the 'me' is provisional and constantly arising and perishing, it can still exist in a kind of provisional relationship to storehouse consciousness.
>personhood
Just because there is no core or compact personhood, does not mean the skandhas don't exist. It's just they are intelligible only in terms of dependent origination and impermanence.
>What do you mean?
The Lankavatara Sutra argues one can have a projection body after experiencing a lot of samadhi, which is akin to New Age concepts of "astral bodies".
Mahayana is also not necessarily against stuff like being able to communicate with Bodhisattvas beyond time and space.

>> No.18694412

>>18694383
>it can still exist in a kind of provisional relationship to storehouse consciousness.
The only question that matters is: is individual, identifiable personhood retained? Existing as a karmic specter might be called an interrelation but it's about as interesting as obliteration.
>there is no core
Yes, I find this idea revolting, to me it is a cult of emptiness (and I'm sure a lot of buddhists would actually agree and say that's a good thing).
>New Age concepts of "astral bodies".
New agers just take existing concepts and give them new terminology, there's no doubt "astral bodies", "projection bodies" or whatever you want to call them are a real phenomenon. The main mistake of new age is their vacuous syncretism that makes their spirituality shallow and borderline physicalist at times.

>> No.18694468

>>18694412
>Existing as a karmic specter might be called an interrelation but it's about as interesting as obliteration.
It's somewhat similar to Deleuze's philosophy in that there are a trail of effects, which exist in a complex and dynamic network. In the Blue Cliff Record and Dharmakirti's philosophy, it argues this. Note, I don't like quoting Wikipedia, but I always found this quote a very good summary of Deleuze's core views, which parallel certain koans from BCR and Dharmakirti:
>For Deleuze, there is no one substance, only an always-differentiating process, an origami cosmos, always folding, unfolding, refolding. Deleuze summarizes this ontology in the paradoxical formula "pluralism = monism".
That paradoxical formula of pluralism=monism was also in Blue Cliff Record's Second Case. Here's a quote:
"In one there are many kinds;
In two there's no duality."

It is possible that when Greek influence spread to Kushan empire and Gandhara, a lot of Heraclitus' influence spread around that area. Process philosophers like Whitehead and Deleuze parallel Buddhism a lot.
>Yes, I find this idea revolting
Well, that's the real meaning of dukkha. Is it true though?
Even if we disagree, a lot of Buddhist arguments do tend to be sophisticated if you read them.

>> No.18694608

>>18693570
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>> No.18694639

>>18693536
Are you the persian disaporafag who has some strange obession with chinese poetry?

>> No.18694649

>>18693906
>Anatta
And your understanding of it is based on a few glances over the wikipedia article, as always, well done! No less infantile than the early Aztec comprehension of the Holy Trinity, when they would strap slaves onto crosses and commit ritual sacrifice, thinking that they understand their new faith.

There isn't a single more self-hating religious tradition than that of Christianity, and this isn't meant as a criticism, it is just a historical fact. Grab a book before lapring on an image board as a "platonist".

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>> No.18694673

>>18694649
Nothing is more self-hating than denial of the eternal self you nihilistic troglodyte. Kill yourself (that's your spiritual goal after all).

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>>18694649
>"n-no you don't get it, the doctrine of non-self isn't self-hating, you just didn't read enough sutras, please don't call my death cult life-denying"
Cope, buddhakek. You're free to despise yourself and your life, but don't drag people down with you. Platonism is natural to a soul naturally aligned towards the truth, funny you'd call me a larper when you're most likely a deracinated, anemic and limp-wristed american male who turned to eastern crypto-nihilism as a juvenile act of rebellion against his prot upbringing.
No need to reply with more seethe, I know how it goes with you people.

>> No.18694691

>>18693570
Neither are Neo-Pagan or are related to Neo-Paganism in any meaningful way.

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>>18693536
>There is absolutely no merit, no beauty, and no depth in any Abrahamic text when compared to Neo-Paganism
>The core idea of Abrahamism is *salvation via faith* and upholding divine commandments that were exclusively revealed to one irrelevant tribe of hucksters.
>All Abrahamism is defined purely by faith in the irrelevant events that transpired in the Semitic sphere, and thus, they are tools of imperialism

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>>18693536
All the religions you mentioned were at one time or another, and even currently, used to control people and centralize power in illegitimate authorities. That doesn't detract from the beauty of their works--but it does occur, with every single one.

The same can definitely be said with the Abrahamic faiths, and I agree with you on many of your points: they are often highly racially/ethnically-motivated, overly dogmatic, and narrow in such scope that it's a wonder anyone thought that the books produced by them were written by holy men, or God Himself, and not a group of schizophrenic sand hippies living out in some shitty commune in the desert.

But there is beauty in Catholicism, in Islam, in Judaism, and all the rest, much like there is beauty in the other traditions you described. Architecture, culture, myths and stories, and in my opinion, a certain kind of genuinely good person have either come from or made themselves known through these faiths. To discount what they have accomplished in the positive for all their qualities in the negative is fair and not unjust; but to do so means that, by principle, you must hold all other faiths in the same view.

>> No.18694741

>>18693536
>>18693537
The core idea of Christianity is Theosis or union with God. Im sorry you got filtered by the Gospel of John, we can talk about it if you want.

>> No.18694743

>>18694688
Anyone speaking English is instantly poisoned by the sludge of electric American media. You are no less deracinated than anyone else. You speak a language used to develop teledildonic products and drone deliveries of them to peoples' houses. Go take your tendies out of the microwave before they get cold.

>> No.18694751

>>18694743
The amount of cope in this post is staggering. I'd feel sorry for you but you're a nihilist so you don't register as a human being to me.

>> No.18694759

>>18694741
>we can talk about it if you want.
Not him and I didn't get filtered by it, actually I liked it much more than the synoptic gospels, but where is theosis alluded to in John?

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>>18694751
mfw a spooky skeleton wearing skin and flesh tells me it is eternal and everyone else is a nihilist

>> No.18694776

>>18694766
Ah yes, concealing the seethe with fake smugness, one of the preferred tactics of the jewddhist.
Sorry annihilationist, your demoralizing crypto-physicalism does not affect me in the slightest.

>> No.18694782

>>18694759
I have only ever seen /lit/ argue for theosis, which from what I gather is a christer corruption of theurgy, like everything else from neoplatonism they cross-referenced with the bible to strike out the non-kosher elements

>> No.18694791

>>18694782
Your uneducated underage opinion is worthless to me, my question is aimed at someone who knows what they're talking about

>> No.18694792

>>18694759
>On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

>The Kingdom of God is within you.

>Is it not written in your law, "I said, 'You are gods'?"

>> No.18694794

>>18694776
Yes yes go ride eternal shiny and chrome. See you next lifetime

>> No.18694799

>>18694688
I actually agree with your metaphysics a little bit more, but I still respect Buddhists unlike Abrahamists. When I read the story of Jewsus, whether he existed or not, he just comes off as a rabble rousing Jew who destabilized the Roman empire with his petty squabbles.

>> No.18694800

>>18694794
>he equates the fullness of being with the physical incarnation
Holy shit I don't even need to argue with you, you're displaying your reddit physicalism to everyone without me having to do anything.
>next lifetime
I won't be here, unlike you since you subscribed to a false and misleading religion and got spiritually fucked over for it.

>> No.18694804

>>18694799
Also, read Christopher Jon Bjerknes.

>> No.18694808

>>18694792
>>The Kingdom of God is within you.
That's from Luke

>> No.18694809

>>18693564
Only a sith deals in absolutes. The janny will do what he must.

>> No.18694813

>>18694800
What the fuck is "reddit physicalism?" Get lost thomist tranny.

>> No.18694819

>>18694813
>What the fuck is "reddit physicalism?"
Buddhism.
Not a thomist. Keep seething impotently, nihilist, you're being exposed as the soulless subversive husk you are.

>> No.18694820

>>18694809
When there's filth in the kitchen, you have to clean it. Abrahamists are the filth of this world, and ridding such impurities with massacred and so forth is a manifestation of God's light. People have many options beyond Abrahamic filth.

>> No.18694830

>>18694820
>massacred
massacres*

>> No.18694831

>>18694820
>People have many options beyond Abrahamic filth.
Neoplatonism and hermeticism are dead outside of their mystical Christian branches.
Eastern religions are annihilationist.
The rest is neopaganism i.e. larping.
What else?

>> No.18694840

>>18694819
I'm confused aren't I supposed to be participating in God's grace and getting my immortal soul from nowhere at conception? You are a pretty lousy christer.

>> No.18694846

>>18694831
>Neoplatonism and hermeticism are dead
Then revive it. You have the texts. That's how traditions begin.
>Eastern religions are annihilationist.
I respect them even though I don't follow them.
>The rest is neopaganism i.e. larping.
Depending on the traditions, many of the texts survived, so new cults could be formed.

>> No.18694849

>>18693536
>Rene Girard
You mean the guy who was an atheist at the time he discovered the scapegoat mechanism and the nature of pagan religions and wrote a book without citing Christianity and Judaism on this?
Anyway this is either bait or you are just expressing a legitimate side of humanity which must be responded in the same way. I too await war.

>>18694759
John 14:20 and many other passages not only in John.

>>18694782
Theosis has nothing to do with theurgy. The former has more to do with plotinian henosis, theurgy is the encapsulation of divine energeia in inanimate things. The neoplatonist theurgy is just a syncretistic revival of egyptian, chaldean, greek and other near eastern magic/liturgical rites.

>> No.18694851

>>18694840
Already said I wasn't a christian. Does your extreme rage prevent you from reading properly, NPC? :^)

>> No.18694854

>>18694851
You're talking to two people fyi.

>> No.18694856

>>18694854
>people
Arguable

>> No.18694863

>>18694856
I made it clear I'm not a Buddhist or follower of Eastern religions for somewhat similar reasons as you. I just respect them unlike Abrahamism. They are innocuous and arrived at their conclusions via their own honest assessment, regardless of my reservations.

>> No.18694875

>>18694851
Everything out of your hole is just
>i'm based
>you're cringe
>cope, seethe, etc.
So this is the power of e-ternalists...

>> No.18694878

>>18694808
Shit, sorry. I need to read more carefully I guess

>> No.18694881

>>18693536
>no merit, no beauty, and no depth in any Abrahamic text when compared to Dharmic religions, Celtic & Germanic Neo-Paganism, Greek mystery schools, Mazdan traditions, Daoism, Shintoism, etc.
>neo-paganism
>merit, beauty and depth
Stopped reading there, you outed yourself as retard.

>> No.18694885

>>18694849
His overemphasis on scapegoat mechanism reeks of the Talmud, which largely revolves on scapegoating gentiles for the sins of the Jews, and this also closely conforms to many higher degree Freemason views.
Yes, the nature of sacrifice, the sacred dimension of violence, and scapegoating are important to traditions, but overprivileging this aspect leads to a kind of Judaic and Talmudist mindset and it is essential to Abrahamism.
Read Christopher Jon Bjerknes.
I think Christianity and Islam both grew for psyops purposes to weaken non-Semites and make them stupid, docile slaves.

>> No.18694894

>>18694881
Read some Celtic mythology and Irish folklore.
It is far richer than Abrahamic bullshit.
I think the Druids were more advanced than the Semite trash in many respects.

>> No.18694902

>>18694849
So it's not neoplatonist theurgy but neoplatonist henosis? That doesn't change things all that much in terms of Christianity needing to vet greco-roman religion for acceptable practices since after Jesus was effectively martyred and the church became institutional it needed more than just "but I saw Jesus in person and he said such and such 40 years ago"

>> No.18694911

>>18694875
Everything out of your hole is just
>c-christer
>t-thomist
>wow you seriously believe you have a soul? this is not what the poopoopeepee sutra told me
So this is the power of annihilationists...

>> No.18694937

>>18694911
Let's rewind here. You call people deracinated for being English-speakers with an interest in Buddhism, but you aren't even Christian yourself? Who do you think speaks English? Shakespeare wasn't an Odinist.

>> No.18694947

>>18694902
Still, not really. The practice is pretty well enumerated in Paul’s writings.
Also, the literal practice is highly dependent on prayer to the Son and the work of the Spirit, it’s not something you do on your own.

>> No.18694951

>>18694937
>now he's grasping at straws desperately because his nihilistic pilpul has been exposed
Had you "rewinded" properly you'd know I'm not a neopagan.

>> No.18694969

>>18694951
>not christian
>not pagan
>hates buddhists
You're an... atheist? Who calls other people nihilists? Is that you Nietzsche?

>> No.18694975

>>18694969
Refer to >>18694688
Don't project, atheism is as foreign and naturally disgusting to the human soul as physicalism.

>> No.18694980

>>18694894
Maybe true, but neo-pagans are too retarded to recover its virtues. Its just identitarianism with most stupid spirituality on top of it.

>> No.18695002

>>18694975
So you are a pagan. Well whatever. Platonism has metempsychosis, the world being an illusion/degradation of the forms, dissolution into the One, etc. Different from Buddhism in tone more than anything else.

>> No.18695023

>>18695002
Platonism is not "pagan" in the sense that was being discussed previously, stop with the word games.
>metempsychosis
Which has effectively nothing to do with buddhist rebirth, read Phaedo.
>the world being an illusion
False, materiality is not illusory. Read Phaedo.
>dissolution into the One
You've never even read a single dialogue, have you? Plato was explicitly opposed to the idea of dissolution that Plotinus would later develop in the Enneads. You are utterly clueless, how embarrassing that you'd turn to eastern nihilism while not even having a cursory understanding of the fundamentals of western philosophy.

>> No.18695030

>>18695023
How about you read the Timaeus.

>> No.18695035

>>18695030
How about you stop recommending I read things you've never read? The Timaeus does not corroborate a single thing you said, you posturing pseud. Stop skimming wikipedia summaries instead of reading books.

>> No.18695042

>>18694951
All Abrahamism is fundamentally nihilistic, dumbass. They are nihilistic and Semitic perversions of Zoroastrianism.
In Zoroastrianism, one can be purified into God's light regardless of one's idiosyncratic beliefs. What matters is embodying Spenta Mainyu, which has dual meaning of mind and spirit. Spenta means sacred, mainyu means "mind/spirit". Mazdak the Younger also reformed the tradition to remove the more unsavory aspects. The goal is to embody Spenta Mainyu for the purposes of good intentions and humata, hukhta, hvurshta.
In Abrahamism, you must have faith that God exclusively revealed himself to Semitic tribes, or that they have the truest description, which is largely baseless. You can only be saved through faith in Christ, which is a batshit and retarded view because people who doubt his Resurrection or never heard of him are damned, or believing in M*hammad's final revelation of absolute monotheism with no intermediaries, which is asinine. It is not a religion of purification. It is a religion of salvation through faith largely.
A deed-based religion, or one that prioritizes certain phenomenological states of mind, makes more sense. Also when Christtards invaded the Druid lands, they massacred so many people, cut down holy trees, and more. Abrahamism cannot coexist with ancestral views the way Mahayana coexisted with Shintoism without much problem.
Zoroastrians never liked Christtards, and they were right to frequently massacre Nestorians. I absolutely hate Christtards who act like Zoroastrians are their friends. I think Constantine only became a Christtard to use Nestorians as a fifth column against the Sassanids, perhaps due to advice of Jews.
Pisslam grew in Iran because some traitorous noble houses, perhaps working with Jews, aided Rashidun invasions.
None of these Abrahamic religions have any spiritual merit. They tarnish the inner divine light because they are forces of Ahriman that must be eradicated sooner or later. Buddhists are innocuous and mind their own business, and they have a rich tradition regardless of whether or not you agree with it.
Abrahamists on the other hand are only deserving of death, and if I were Shahanshah of my rightful country, I would ship the Vatican the heads of many Cuckstians who refused to abandon their filth, and I would send Mecca the heads of many Mudslimes, even my own father's, as a warning that their despicable Saturnalian black stone will be decimated.
Every single Jew, Muslim, and Christian who refuses to abandon their heinous ways deserve to have their heads crushed and their carcasses and innards used to decorate sealed caves as an abode to hold the murky darkness.

>> No.18695050

>>18695042
>the zoroastrian schizo is at it again
I only read the first sentence of your post, not bothering with the rest, sorry

>> No.18695055

>>18694885
>His overemphasis on scapegoat mechanism reeks of the Talmud, which largely revolves on scapegoating gentiles for the sins of the Jews
This is literally something Girard warns against. He says Jews moved from paganism and they had consciousness of victim/sacrificial culture from which they emerged and from which they opposed, but still not fully aware as the Christic revelation. If you want people who really influenced him check Kenneth Burke, Bataille, de Maistre, Rudolf Otto. Also, do you have any single source about his being influenced by Talmud and any relationship with freemasonry? This would be very interesting.
>overprivileging this aspect
It is not his overprivileging, it is pagan’s. Have you read any of his books?
>leads to a kind of Judaic Talmudist mindset
The guy literally says Judaism still retains that violent element and some sacrificial, ritualistic in the old sense, culture. This can only make sense when you read and meditate on the OT and compare it with the NT. I will not even comment on how Boehme’s theosophy expresses this perfectly in a protological way.
>Jon Bjerknes
Give me a tldr on him and how is he relevant to this issue.
>weaken non-Semites
Well, we can see the remaining effects of non-abrahamic, or better: non-christian, mentality and spirit, since this is the bare and most natural state of man. Nietzsche expresses this.

>>18694902
>neoplatonist henosis
It is not neoplatonist, it predates neoplatonism. And henosis is different from theurgy, as I said in the plotonian sense. See Plotinus vs Iamblichus.
Are you saying Christianity made platonism compatible with it? I saw Op or someone else saying they had nothing in common.

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>>18695042
>Mahayana coexisted with Shintoism
>he doesn't know

>> No.18695099

>>18695062
*until Meiji era

>> No.18695103

>>18695050
Go read more Jewish fairy tales, you dumb cunt. I have better tastes in literature and film than you in all likelihood.
Go pray to your Semitic God to help you more.

>> No.18695105

>>18695042
Are you op?

>> No.18695107

>>18695103
kek no need to be so mad, larper

>> No.18695109

>>18695055
https://www.bitchute.com/video/YzdrnkooG5kK/
Pisslam is also similarly fucked up, and it's no coincidence they circle a black rock.

>> No.18695111

>>18695035
Metempsychosis alone gives Platonism and Buddhism 95% of the same DNA. You can't really get out of this. The fact that I could be an eagle after I die because of actions and character cultivated in this life would be acceptable to either in a way unacceptable to Christians, redditors, and so forth. Sneed.

>> No.18695112

>>18695103
Not him, but list your top 10 artists/works in literature, cinema and music. Let’s see.

>> No.18695120

>>18695107
It's not LARPing, and to be honest, I can't decide between Reformed Zoroastrianism and Mahayana Buddhism.
I was close to becoming a Soto Zen monk but stopped after considering some issues I had with the metaphysics. When I studied Zoroastrianism, especially Mardanfarrokh, and Empedocles, I saw it dealt with the metaphysical issues. I'm not interested in Zoroastrianism because my ancestors were presumably followers of it.

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>>18693536
>There is absolutely no literary merit in any Abrahamic religion

So much of the Western canon related to, inspired by, reference Abrahamic texts and interpretations. This Western canon was studied and learnt by greay many who built the very civilisation and technology that you cannot appreciate and choose to shitpost on by mocking them and disregarding a key, fundmental aspect of their heritage. Kindly go sodomise yourself as you have outed yourself to be one of those monumental idiots whose opinions should never be heard,

>> No.18695123

>>18695109
Can you make a post that is related to what we are discussing?

>> No.18695127

>>18695111
>The fact that I could be an eagle after I die
Would be acceptable to a platonist who had a surface-level reading of the dialogues and didn't bother with the unwritten doctrines. Your syncretism doesn't work.

>> No.18695130 [DELETED] 

>>18693536
Im pagan but youre retarded. Talk to any sincere pagan who isnt doing it just to trigger the christcucks and hell aknowledge the power that the image of Christ holds. I genuinely dont know how to deal with it, its impossible to deny the power and beauty of Christ. He seems to have nothing to do with all that old testament bullshit (itself still being a very beautiful book at times).

>> No.18695142

>>18695120
>I can't decide between Reformed Zoroastrianism and Mahayana Buddhism.
I suggest you go with the one that isn't rebranded atheist physicalism.

>> No.18695146

>>18695122
Begetting a good child does not pardon an evil woman

>> No.18695165

>>18695055
>Are you saying Christianity made platonism compatible with it? I saw Op or someone else saying they had nothing in common
I'm not the iranophile no. But abrahamism was exposed to hellenistic culture for 300 years before christ. And by the time it takes over the Roman empire a number of important theologians had been converts fluent in (neo)platonism. And most of the Christian population is probably Greek speaking maybe from 100-350 before going fully north and west to the Latins and Germanics. So there is going to be cross-pollination of those Greek, i.e. Platonic, practices and theology

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>>18695127
>surface-level reading of the dialogues and didn't bother with the unwritten doctrines
And you accuse other people of pilpul or being physicalists

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>>18695185
Don't argue about things you know nothing about. Read pic related, and stop embarrassing yourself.

>> No.18695221

>>18693536
>>>/x/

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>>18695195
>Plato literally meant nothing he said and there is an entire scholastic framework of interpreting the esoteric meaning apart from the exoteric meaning
Do I have to tell you who else fucking does this? Do I really have to? We're at 99.5% now.

>> No.18695230

>>18695165
If we are taking into account the main reasons for this employment of Platonism (aristotelianism included here) from Abrahamic theologians then we are in full agreement. Philo of Alexandria was already the first one to do this. But we should remember that this is restricted almost solely to the intellectual activity and that the pagan doctrines serve as methodological and hermeneutical tools, accessories for the essence and content of Abrahamic theogies. This has always been the aim of the use of pagan intellectual productions, and the cause has always been political.

>> No.18695234

>>18695227
>>Plato literally meant nothing he said and there is an entire scholastic framework of interpreting the esoteric meaning apart from the exoteric meaning
Who are you quoting?
Again with the pilpul and accusing others of what you are guilty of. Typical

>> No.18695264

>>18695234
>plato didn't *burp* actually believe in metem- metempsychosis those are just lecture notes from an undergrad *burp* class at the academy

>> No.18695275

>>18695264
The animals in the metempsychosis stories being symbols and not actual animals is probably one of the most well documented and agreed upon aspects of the platonist doctrine regarding the afterlife, you utter pseud.
Start with the greeks but unironically. I'm honestly starting to believe you're just baiting because it seems unlikely to me someone could be this obtuse.

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>bro platonism (which repeatedly states the soul that comes from God is personal and immortal and that even memories are preserved after death) is totally the same thing as buddhism (that states there's no creator God or immortal soul in the first place let alone a personal one)
In retrospect I'm definitely getting baited. No more (you)s for tonight, nihilist.

>> No.18695299

>>18695275
>it's just semiotics
Yes now who is a reddit materialist lmao

>> No.18695305

The buddhist is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a physicalist and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>> No.18695324

>>18695042
what no pussy does to a mf

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>>18695122
Stfu, spiritual Semite trash. You act like the West is defined by Abrahamism.

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>>18695112
Image related. I don't make lists for music. I do have a list for painters though.
>>18695122
Stfu, spiritual Semite trash. You act like the West is defined by Abrahamism.

>> No.18695610

>>18695383
lmao is this image for real

>> No.18695650

>>18695610
The wind in the willows is pretty dope. I'm ready for the farvahar pill.

>> No.18695673

>>18695610
This guy made a post the other day about how the only pure forms of art are children's books/movies and horror books/movies. He hates anything with any shade of gray in its morality because this violates his dualistic religious beliefs.

>> No.18695679

>>18695673
I want his analysis of The Wicker Man. I don't care which one.

>> No.18695714

>>18693536
Understandable. Once you study the canon you'll understand the dire necessity of knowing the Bible too.

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>>18693570

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>>18694308
>Muhammad was a bloodthirsty maniac and pedophile

Zeus was also a pedo rapist yet you would still praise and defend him no doubt.

>> No.18696247

Why the obsession with Semitic speaking people, weirdo? Living rent free in your head.

>> No.18696270

>>18693536
>All Abrahamic scriptures and texts should be burned and defaced from the Internet. Those who still insist on following them should be executed. There is no such thing as a good sincere Muslim, Christian, or Jew
Maybe you should start with yourself.

>> No.18696302

So Jesus performed miracles, the Saints performed miracles, what miracles do shitskin monks have other than lighting bits of newspaper on fire (if that could ever be considered a miracle instead of parlor magic?

inb4
>no the miracles never happened they werent monitored by the guiness world record team!

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>>18693536
Don’t listen to this iranic nigger whose main obsession is hating Semitic people because his European colonial masters told him to hate them. He thinks he will be accepted as a pure Aryan if hates Abrahamic religions and semites even if he will always genetically be closer to Semitic people and forever be an iranic nigger hated by Europeans.

>> No.18696362

>>18693536
Islam and Christianity is literally about obtaining eternal life even after death. It’s Buddhists who are death fetishist with a wish to end reincarnation. Why would I ever want to end reincarnation? I want to live forever.

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Read more. Abrahamism is far deeper than Oriental pseudo-religions which end in annihilation. The aryan spirit was far better suited to a faith that allowed the Faustian Magus to attain perfect knowledge of God through the mediation of Logos than anything like Buddhism or Neo-Paganism (will-to-nothing) and their static destruction of the Ego. Hegel (representing Abrahamism) put the final nail into the coffin when he sublates Schelling's Naturilaist Monism (representing Paganism). Face it, Christianity is a more developed stage of human consciousness and Spirit, proven by Girard with the analysis of Christ as the great negator of religion, regardless of how it developed into a positive faith after him.

>> No.18696399

>>18696304
I don't consider myself white even though I have light skin. I dislike Semitic traditions for non-racial reasons, dumb cunt.

>> No.18696409

>>18694688
He isn’t an American. I’ve seen him around. He is iranic nigger living in Europe or America who’s angry that his nation got conquered by a bunch of Arab nomads and has remained a shithole since then. He probably feels some kind of inferiority complex living in Europe because he likely gets confused with Arabs, which probably explains his hatred and obsession with all semites. It also explains why he gets super offended when you say Abrahamic religions were influenced by zoroastrianism since he hates to think that his people were ultimately responsible for Abrahamic religions.

>> No.18696425

>>18696304
>>18696399
Also, the Neolithic Iranian Farmers were not white and most Iranian ancestry comes from them and not Levantines. They were in BMAC. Sintashta steppe people were white though and hybridized with Iran Neolithic Farmers, and Yaghnobi and Tajik people tend to be equal portions Sintashta and Iran Neolithic. They descend from Sogdians and Bactrians who were more sophisticated than Semites.

>> No.18696438

>>18696409
I consider Christianity just as bad as Islam fyi, so no, I don't have an inferiority complex. Both my first and last name have ancient Persian etymological origin rather than Semitic fyi.

>> No.18696456

>>18693536
Didn't read yet but based. DONT YOU DIE ON ME, THREAD-O

>> No.18696474

>>18693536
>The core idea of Daoism is Wu-Wei and seeking elixir of Immortality.
what a fucking low and material asperation.

>> No.18696483

>>18696474
seriously. Total distortion of what Daoism is. The elixir is just a metaphor for the Way anyway

>> No.18696490

>>18696483
I know it's a metaphor for the Way, faggot.

>> No.18696498

>>18696368
Are my only options really between Christianity and annihilation? Islam doesn't count, I have dignity

>> No.18696504

>>18696302
Pretty sure Siddhartha did some wild shit too

>> No.18696507

>>18695165
Not disagreeing, and there was a mesure of melding, but thrououtt the writings of the early church (eusebius for example), they both admit this as well as draw distinctions between "greek philosophy" and "religion" it did inform, but it was seen as a seperate section of thpught, a subsection, and in practice we can see this as the "religion" focused much more on faith, divine revilation, and grace, with the logic of greek philosophy being a supplemental aspect that was seen as noble to some extent, but lacking in its core aspects.

>> No.18696510

>>18693556
I aspire to become that man

>> No.18696513

>>18696483
ah, i could see that.
>>18696490
this is not me.

>> No.18696529

Idgaf what race you are or look like. If you have a Semitic derived name like James or John or Muhammad or Ali and you follow Abrahamic trash faith, you are marked by impurities and should purify yourselves immediately. I thank the true God every day I wasn't given a Semitic derived name. All of you Shlomos, Abduls, Alis, Johns, and James change your names and stop following trash and irredeemable Semitic traditions.

>> No.18696530

everyone on this thread who is shitting on other religions is frankly doing it all wrong. Im a Christian and believe that Christ the Logos has the fullness of truth, but I would have to be braindead to believe that other religions did not have a piece or part of that truth mixed in with falsehoods and wishful thinking. There is always something to get from other religions. If you dont see that, pray to our Lord to protect you from pride so that you can see the good fruits of his truth that he freely gave to the righteous of all nations before the Incarnation. Read St. Seraphim of Sarov and Fr. Seraphim Rose for more on this topic of Christian opinions of "virtuous pagans" including Plato, Aristotle, Laozi, the Buddha and others.

>> No.18696552

>>18696530
There is absolutely no value in yours though. You are a Jew at heart.

>> No.18696565

All of you non-Semitic Abrahamists are slaves. Just look at the etymologies of your names. Absolutely pathetic. No wonder Jews rule over you. You literally name yourselves after their shitty myths. Absolutely disgusting.
I am happy I wasn't given an Abrahamic name.

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>>18696529
Im sorry to tell you Matoko-san.... but your sir name.... its....

>> No.18696583

>>18696220
>pedo
Zeus didn't fuck Ganymede.
>rapist
Women consent to Zeus because he wills it. This is not rape because the women are consenting. It is fair to say that this is "non-consensual", but it's also fair to say that it's not sex because Zeus is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent.

>>18696498
Well, you have Buddhism and Taoism, both of which posit something other than annihilation. Confucianism has schools of thought that are akin to materialist atheism, but it also has schools of thought that are far from it. Shinto lets you keep existing after death, but it's up to you whether that state is an upgrade or a downgrade and you can die again anyways (and live again after that). Hinduism has both eternalist and annihilatory schools.

I'm not counting weird near-eastern religions like Gnosticism or Zoroastrianism for simplicity.

>> No.18696586

>>18696569
I checked the etymologies of my names. They're not Semitic in origin thankfully. It is as simple as typing your name and etymology on Google, dumbass.
Names like Ali, Abdul, Muhammad, John, Matthew, Jacob, James, and so forth are Semitic in origin, that is either Hebrew or Arabic or Aramaic.
Don't you see how pathetic this is?

>> No.18696588

>>18696552
>>18696565
Literally getting mad over absolutely nothing. This is what happens when you let your passions run wild within you. Embrace the love of Christ and His peace.
>For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

>> No.18696593

>>18696583
Zoroastrianism is not Near Eastern. It is Central Asian.

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>>18696529
My name is Ethelbert Starbuck.
My Quaker parents thought it was impios to name me after one of the papist rapist saints and instead told me to make my name saintly (but not actually, since saints conceptually lead to idolatry) in my lifetime instead.

>> No.18696608

>>18696588
You're not truly a sentient being.
You worship the death of an irrelevant rabble-rousing Jew. He most likely didn't exist, much like Muhammad, and even if they did exist, so what? They didn't do any miracles or anything. Semites are notorious liars, and by naming yourselves after them, you have been infected by their virus.
If you can't find the light within yourself or in the world you interact with, you won't find it in a disgusting Jew.

>> No.18696624

>>18696608
I worship one God, the Father, the almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages; Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one essence with the Father, through Whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man. He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; And He rose on the third day, according to the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father; And He will come again with glory to judge the living and dead. His kingdom shall have no end.

And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Creator of life, Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke through the prophets.

In one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.

I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the age to come.

Amen.

>> No.18696641

>>18696593
Well whatever it is I don't think it should be classified with Buddhism (which anon mentioned) or Taoism or anything that we can sum up as "Chinky". True, it should be its own thing, but sadly Iran got memed on quite unfairly and is only of importance as an Islamic state or a generic boogeyman to the West, so we can't really do that without having to explain that no, Zoroastrianism isn't just a ripoff of Evangelical Christianity or whatever stupid shit people on here believe.

>> No.18696647

>>18696624
It's all retarded trash that hinges on whether or not Jewsus arose from his dusty tomb to preach one more time. I have Iooked at the sources, and people extrapolate too much from them.
If you can't figure something out from philosophical reasoning that relies on your own experience, then it's a waste of time to overstretch oneself with dumb unverifiable empirical claims. You stupid faggot.
Semites were notorious liars, you dumb faggot. You truly believe a dumb Jew like Paul wouldn't lie to you?
At least my approach leads to being neither a cuck nor nihilist. Go suck that dead Jew's dick on the cross.
What I am arguing is much simpler and more easily defensible, dumb cunt. You are subverting yourselves, and you are more Semitic in spirit than anything.
No wonder degeneracy and nihilism are growing because the biggest alternative is baseless trash.

>> No.18696653

>>18696608
>He most likely didn't exist
Historical records prove he existed.

>> No.18696658

>>18696647
>God doesnt conform to my preconceived notions waaaaaaaaah

Welcome to existence as a created being.

>> No.18696665

>>18696653
They don't. For example, the so called records from Tacitus are just repeating what he heard others say. It's not eye witness testimony, dumbass.

>> No.18696667

>>18696647
>If you can't figure something out from philosophical reasoning that relies on your own experience, then it's a waste of time to overstretch oneself with dumb unverifiable empirical claims
Fucking absolutely disgusting materialist bugman solipsist remove yourself from this board at once.

>At least my approach leads to being neither a cuck nor nihilist
No, it just leads to you being a hate filled little man who cant talk to someone without hurling childish insults.
Go back to worshiping fake pagan religions.

>> No.18696670

>>18696665
By this standard, Alexander was a myth too

>> No.18696671

>>18696658
I don't give a shit about the biases of the insipid masses. The whole world could be Muslim, and I wouldn't convert to their trash. Just because Pisslam Arabs are trash doesn't mean you Cuckstian Spiritual Jews are any better.

>> No.18696674

>>18696671
Your preconceived notions are what are keeping you from acknowledging the possibility of the existence of the Incarnate God.

>> No.18696675

>>18696667
The Gathas are largely the unaltered words of Zoroaster.
Your tradition is literally a bastardization of Zoroastrianism. Read Anders Hultgard.

>> No.18696676

>>18696670
But we have eye-witness accounts of Alexander dating to his time, such as inscriptions on Temples and the like (which, ironically, counters the next point you'll make that Alexander was a gay Muslim).

>> No.18696677

>>18696665
>the so called records from Tacitus are just repeating what he heard others say
Which is all of recorded history from that era :^)
Camera phones didnt exist back then, zoomer. The Crucifixion wasn't live streamed.

>> No.18696682

>>18696676
>But we have eye-witness accounts
But what of the Apostles that followed Jesus?

>> No.18696687

>>18696670
There are actual eye witness testimonies for Alexander, moron. He definitely existed.
There are better records for most rulers.
>>18696674
Your biases lead you think God would only incarnate as a Jew when it makes sense his divine sparks would be in all beings unless corrupted.

>> No.18696690

>>18696675
>Your tradition is literally a bastardization of Zoroastrianism
Theres no eye witnesses to verify that that Christianity borrowed from Zoroastrianism.
>read someone who was born in the 20th century
No thanks

>> No.18696703

>>18696690
In Qumran Cave there are. Jews were notorious plagiarists. They stole ideas from Ancient Egyptians and Ancient Persians and Ancient Greeks.

>> No.18696704

>>18696682
You mean the Apostles that are only attested by... records written centuries after their deaths.
>are you seriously suggesting that people would just make up stories about people to suit their own ends?!
Sure, unless you believe that Simon bar Khoba could fly, heal the sick, generate food out of thin air, walk on water, turn water into wine. Hell, let's take a really easy example from today: George Floyd.
>but george floyd did actually die!
Sure, due to a drug overdose put into him by the (((Sackler Family))), but he wasn't some heroic martyr or whatever, he was just some random nigger who bit the dust and got turned into a martyr by people who never met him. Why would you assume Jews in 300AD would be any different than Jews in 2020AD?

>> No.18696715

>>18696690
>>18696682
i thought eye witness testimony was illegal which is why we cant ask for it as proof that yahweh exists?

>> No.18696717

>>18696529
About about Francisco or Fernando or other second degree sorta Xtian extra biblical names?

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You need to start with the Assmann, egyptologist Jan Assmann.

>> No.18696724

>>18696717
I don't like any Semitic or Abrahamic name. If I were given one, which I thankfully wasn't, I would have changed it immediately. It is pathetic to be named after figures from a foreign culture that historically had a bad reputation.

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>>18696368
I like European Christian art (like Bosch and Gustave Doré), music (like Gregorian chants and Handal) and literature (like paradise lost, divine comedy, The Canterbury Tales etc)

OP is exaggerating how bad it is.

>> No.18696889

>>18695296
>Buddhism doesn't state there's a self or immortal soul
anatta was an apophatic labeling of everything the self is not (impermanent, material, conditioned etc) to comprehend its incomprehensibility. Retard sects rewrote its meaning and turned it into denial of self. Pre-sectarian Buddhism is vastly different from this though and nothing the modern day cuck schizoids appeal to is true original Buddhism.

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>>18696703
Iranic niggers like you are the ultimate plagiarists

>> No.18696935

>>18696724
Iranic niggers literally destroyed the great Semitic civilisation of Babylon because of their inferiority complex. Iranic niggers are incapable of civilisation without copying Mesopotamian civilisation. It’s more shameful to be an iranic niggers, who Romans thought as nothing more than sibling fuckers, than to be from the great Semitic civilisations of Mesopotamia who actually contributed something to civilisation.

>> No.18697393

>>18696935
Assyrians were destroying way more.
>>18696896
Most of it was destroyed, but the Sogdians and Bactrians were generally more sophisticated than Persians. They were all Iranic though.

>> No.18697402

>>18697393
Most of Achaemenid legacy was lost from Alexander burning Persepolis' library*.

>> No.18697424

>>18693536
The core idea of Abrahamism is moral universalism.
>Celtic or Germanic neo-paganism
LOL.

Go back to >>>/pol/

>> No.18697434

>>18697424
No. There is no moral universalism in Abrahamic trash. Their core idea is salvation through unquestioningly accepting historical revelation.

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>>18697393
>sogdians and bactrians
were based and redpilled

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>>18697434
> You will ALWAYS be a shitskin
> You will NEVER be ARYAN
> You will ALWAYS be genetically closer to semites no matter your if your name is Mohammad is Shapur
> Your nation will ALWAYS be shit
> You will ALWAYS have a Jew nose

>> No.18697696

>>18697437
lol, does he have balls on his chin?

>> No.18697701

>>18697696
Holy crap lois

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>>18697434
Why do you hate the Abrahamic faiths so much though? They all seem to be pretty correct to me, at least in the broad strokes

>> No.18697705

>>18697696
Yes, in the Coomalayan mountains, the adepts develop their entire bodies into tantric sex organs.

>> No.18697707

>>18697694
holly schnoze schniffers battman. imagine how well they could smell curried meats with those honking crooked odder auditors.

>> No.18697855

>>18696896
too bad greeks were intellectual fetishists & aristocrats so none of that technology werent applied practically & produced on a larger scale

>> No.18697866

>>18694894
Just admit you used neo paganism wrong.

>> No.18698090

>>18693536
Christianity is in no way comparable to something like "Celtic" paganism. You cannot compare a nonsensical cult composed of two opposing wings of Wignats and gay libtards worshipping the scraps of folklore that were pieced together by Christian scribes to Christianity. There is more to be learned from any single book in the Old or New Testament than any of these Eastern thought systems that have been rendered irrelevant by the passage of time. Please, read some Kierkegaard.

>> No.18698163

>>18696889
Books on pre-sectarian non-annihilationist buddhism?

>> No.18698408

>>18693536
>The core idea of Celtic or Germanic neo-paganism is sustaining the racial character of one's group and communing with the spirit or divine archetypes of Nature.
The core teaching of the Druids was a sort of Metempsychosis which was repeatedly compared to Pythagorean Reincarnation.

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>be atheist
>take interest in world religions
>99.9999999% of people would get filtered by the basic tenets of their own religion of choice, Christianity Islam Hebraism Buddhism doesn't matter
>inb4 I'm Christian I will go to heaven anyway because of this one verse I cherry picked, what's written in my infallible sacred text is all a joke lalalala
the issue isn't with the religion, it's with people being insatiable crooks and modern industrial society giving them a free pass

>> No.18698571

>>18698163
>Books on pre-sectarian non-annihilationist buddhism?
no such thing since pre-sectarian Buddhism is the most annihilationist

>> No.18698652

>>18693536
>religion
>merit

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>>18693570

>> No.18699013

>>18697705
I don't get why fags on here choose "annihilationism" (whatever the fuck they think that means) as a way to slander Buddhism over the far more obvious choice of pointing out that it's all about learning from the Star Child how to transcend this realm and exist forever in a constant state of oneness with the coom. You'd think
>hurf durf buddhism is le sexual degeneracy XD
would be more common.

>> No.18699033

>>18693537
>Jesus, Moses, Muhammad, and so forth, many of which did not exist, are all eating shit in hell, and their followers will join them in due time.
Why would they be in hell if they didn’t exist? Are you so blinded by hatred that you do not realize how foolish you sound?

>> No.18699244

>>18697702
Not that guy but
For me it's the baby dick skin slurping usury and coerceful lies and papal prostitution. Ideas that welcome investigation and grow upon inspection are splendid. Abrahamism is all about clear impression and rule. The more you inspect Abrahamism the more you are persecuted by its remaining forms of power.

>> No.18700039

>>18693906
can you tell me what to read by plato first, or in what order to read him

>> No.18700798

>>18700039
Start with Lysis, and don't read Timaeus, Parmenides, the Republic or the Laws until you've read most of the important dialogues.
Regarding the rest of the dialogues, reading order depends on who you ask, check out the archived platonism generals for a decent reading order.
If you don't want to read Plato's complete works though, at least read Phaedo.

>> No.18701052

>>18700798
people just randomly give different reading orders of Plato one the internet... but what's the purpose of that? Is it just to be different?

If you have an order, substantiate it with arguments of why your system is so good.

>> No.18701065 [DELETED] 

>>18697694
Iranians have 90% genetic continuity to Iron Age Persians as two samples have shown. Yes, they are technically not racially Iranian, but there are no oure steppe Aryans like Yamnaya or Sintashta anymore, even though some groups have more ancestry from them. Also their closest descendants rejected Zoroastrianism.
Zoroastrianism was actually a reformation of Aryan beliefs that grew more among non-Aryans much like Cuckstianity being a reformation of Judaism and growing more among gentiles.

>> No.18701073 [DELETED] 

>>18697694
>>18701065
Also, they don't cluster near either Gulf Arabs or whites.

>> No.18701084

>>18697694
Iranians have 90% genetic continuity to Iron Age Persians as two samples have shown. Yes, they are technically not racially Aryan, but there are no pure steppe Aryans like Yamnaya or Sintashta anymore, even though some groups have more ancestry from them. Also their closest descendants like Scythians rejected Zoroastrianism.
Zoroastrianism was actually a reformation of Aryan beliefs that grew more among non-Aryans much like Cuckstianity being a reformation of Judaism and growing more among gentiles

>> No.18701094

>>18697702
I already explained, you illiterate and low IQ piece of shit. Read the first two posts and my further arguments elsewhere.

>> No.18701273

>>18693536
cry more

>> No.18701283

>>18693536
sounds like a jewish thing to say

>> No.18701306

>>18693570
holy cringe lmao

>> No.18701348

>>18693536
This is hilarious. You’re like the epitome of the stereotypical Arab hating and Aryan obsessed Iranian that’s constantly memed on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/2MiddleEast4you/search/?q=Aryan%20&restrict_sr=1

>> No.18701378

>>18701273
I don't need to cry because I know I am 100% rights. Much like how a lot of morons believe in the scamdemic and jab, the biases of the masses don't mean shit to me. Unlike you, I am actually a sentient being with a rich internal mental life. If you were to be tortured or have your skull crushed, your suffering would be illusory because you don't have a soul or inner mental life.
>>18701283
You worship a Jew, dumb cunt. >>18701348
I already explained how Iranians are not pure Aryans. Technically there are no pure Aryans anymore but some groups have more of their admixture like Norwegians and Pamiri Tajiks. Regardless of Norwegians and Pamiri Tajiks having high degree of steppe admixture, they do not cluster with one another on PCA autosomal DNA plots.
I hate Abrahamism for philosophical and non-racial reasons, dumb cunt. I laboriously explained that.

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>>18701378

>> No.18701536

>>18701476
Why so you keep posting this race baiting shit when I'm not even discussing that, dumbass Semite? Iranians are more like Indians kind of, which I'm fine with saying. The filth of a Semite's mind, the filth of a Christcuck and Mudslime's mind, are far blacker than literal sewer shit. I'd rather swim in sewer shit than act civil with you. Every single Abrahamist deserves to die without exception.

>> No.18701731

If you can't find the light within yourself or in the natural world you interact with, you won't find it in a disgusting Jew or black rock of death. Every single Abrahamist should be force converted, and if they resist, then executed. Their lives are worth less than trash because they confine the light to a Semitic and megalomaniac distortion of the Zoroastrian God.

>> No.18701802

Are Sikhs Abrahamic? To me it just seems like Hinduism, but with more monotheistic focus so Muslims don't murder you on sight.

>> No.18701856

>>18693536
There is many interpretations but a Christians is to become Christlike and to integrate yourself while doing so. Christ never promised a grantee to salvation if you do not follow his teachings and become something beyond yourself. I'm sorry you follow nihilistic Dharmic philosophies that see the world in black and white quite literally anon.

>> No.18701886

>>18695146
Brilliant
Take away Christ from the Cathedral, what do you see? Europe. Take away the Cathedral from Christ, what do you see? A dead man.

>> No.18701894

>>18696304
Europeans are not inherently hateful. Only when sexual realism sets in does the hate bubble up. But whites are friendly despite having never internalized anything logical factual or religious beyond dogged wagging happiness to see people.

>> No.18701897

>>18701856
You are low IQ trash that didn't understand a single thing I said.
>Christ never promised a grantee to salvation if you do not follow his teachings and become something beyond yourself
And that's why it is utter trash. You are a literal Jew in spirit and are an insentient being. You most certainly do not have qualia or any phenomenal experience.
Purification and finding the light within oneself or in the world is a process of action that does not fully hinge on whether or not you accept a dead zjee on a stick. I know 100% you are going to hell for your vile delusions. Genuinely kys and film it on livefeed.

>> No.18701903

>>18701897
>zjee
Jew*

>> No.18701909

>>18701378
I hate Abrahamism for racial reasons that are the most upstream source to hate all other philosophical reasons. This is a war of genes AND memes. The character of a people determines their religion and religion can scarcely tame let alone alter one iota of the character of a people. Impressions are stored in the tissues and the blood.

>> No.18701932

>>18701909
You are likewise an utter imbecile. Royal families have historically fought and killed one another and how the hell do you explain phenomena like dumb brothers or cousins? You are low IQ trash and reduce behavior to a deterministic and parochial understanding of genetics when experience dependent neuroplasticity is important too. Diet is pretty important too. There is a direct correlation between being breast fed as a child and IQ. Stfu when people smarter than you are talking, ingrate.
Ideology and religion also have impact on one's cognitive style and behavior. I'm not saying race isn't important, but you're moron to reduce it solely to that.
There is no difference between a Cuckstian and a Jew and a Mudslime and an Arab in terms of the spirit.

>> No.18701935

>>18693536
/pol/ niggers back at it again shitting up every other board with their retardation and surface level philosophy. seethe and cope.

>> No.18701939

>>18701932
Mentioning the royal family example didn't make sense, but the brother and cousin example does. Sorry, I am busy doing something and didn't have time to make myself clear to morons like you.

>> No.18701963

>>18693545
>imblying philosophical works don't fall under non-fiction

Shitty rule. /his/ should be for history only because their grasp on deep philosophical topics is shallow at best.

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>>18701909
That being said I praise the Iranians for wanting to be white and identifying as Aryans. Most blond blue eyes pure Bavarian phenotypes don't even profess that honorable lofty speech. I believe in the Baldwin effect to change your epigenetic destiny. I don't believe Iranians are our brothers like Germans are to Englishmen but it's not bad having a foreign looking cousin. You can't achieve that homogeneity in a small mountain Hamlet let alone a millennium continent. That being said we are starchilds of truth if you are truly worshipping the Logos. The dog park is at peace so to speak and we don't have to be the prized breed just the best pedigree of who we are. The swastika is not born of the breast of the Teuton but of any honest soul rejoicing in the truth and grandeur of agro-astronomic cycles.

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>>18701932
We have to come to terms with a multiplicity of shrinking sovereigns in our age and infinite balkanization of the info age. Dumb cousins of all races will blend into a communistic global Chandala and the geniuses of all will form long adjacent embankments consumed by petty jealousies.
Dumb brothers and dumb cousins cause smart people to visit each other in each other's countries. I rejoice in Confucius and Vivekanda more than I do Plato. But does that get me Indian aristocrat qt smooches? No, I'm a nerd in their library and quaint acquaintance at best. Were I to seduce a mongrel breed I would sew lawless mutiny and resentment. The exchanges between Europe of Lavoisier, Marconi, Tesla, Faraday, Mendel, are indispensible. I am not a shallow racist. I'm an advanced ultra instinct super Saiyan racist. As long as it takes to build civilization depends on the discipline of a few it does not depend on the birthing of the many. Friendship of colleagues is the truest source of prosperity and innovation. Only a tiny fraction of a percent of humans take their whole DNA destiny into their own hands and even contemplation. Therefore only they matter and the rest are mongrels in arrears to make peace by in passing.

>> No.18702030

>>18694688
>>"n-no you don't get it, the doctrine of non-self isn't self-hating, you just didn't read enough sutras, please don't call my death cult life-denying"
How can you hate something that doesn't exist, dumbass

>> No.18702042

>>18701935
Most of my criticisms against Abrahamic religions boil down to non-racial reasons.

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>>18702027
The truest way to find colleagues is to breed them yourself

>> No.18702116

>>18702027
>>18702062
I'm so racist I'm racist against my own race

>> No.18702145

>>18702027
I recommend reading Nick Land.

>> No.18702232

>>18701378
>I hate Abrahamism for philosophical and non-racial reasons

Yet repeatedly keeps mentioning and hating on Semitic people. Are you an idiot?

>> No.18702241

>>18702232
Trying to unjew the Jews with holy water word spells is like seeding a tomato with words

>> No.18702302

>>18702145
QRD?

>> No.18702465

>>18693536
based but also this belongs on /x/

>> No.18702500

>>18699000
wow you're right I should kneel to a crucifix of stacked Dr Pepper cases instead!
In Walmart we trust

>> No.18703479

>>18693536
>spirit').
>The core idea of Celtic or Germanic neo-paganism is sustaining the racial character of one's group
You made some interesting points until you tried to shove this one through. Pagans didn't have racial laws or behaviors. Neo pagans added racial behaviors because it makes them feel superior to the other religions. Neo pagans aren't even pagans, they're just internet ss larpers.

>> No.18703543

>>18694308
>claimed Abrahamism is fundamentally death fetishist because it seeks to destroy native cultures and supplant Se
I dont think that applies to catholicism. The charges against them has always been they are too pagan and embracing pagan holidays isn't acceptable. If you look at the history of catholicism it was quite amenable to local customs.

>> No.18703577

I practice theravada buddhism every day and this thread should absolutely be ignored at all costs. Please just laugh and ignore bhikkus!

>> No.18703635

>>18703577
Shut up, Hinayana icchantika.

>> No.18703643

>>18702232
I don't have a problem with Semitic people who convert to non-Abrahamic religions.

>> No.18703656

>>18703635
This is insanity. Even if you are Buddhist, which I am not, its the same enlightenment no matter the vehicle

>> No.18703665

>>18703635
>Hinayana icchantika
I am trying my best to attain enlightenment. this damn thread would never help that!

>> No.18703700

>>18703656
One thing I believe the esoteric strands of Zoroastrianism and Mahayana share in common is that the sacred nature of one's being is best realized through one's own experience or one's own mind. That is what I am arguing and why Abrahamic traditions are trash.
You are supposed to find the divine light or Buddha nature through one's own interactions with the natural world or inner life. I've gone scuba diving, mountain hiking, and more. I've seen more of God's divine sparks in the birds, trees, and streams. However, I have seen an impenetrable darkness in the nonsense of Abrahamism, which claims truth is found external from either purification (Mazdan traditions) or one's own true nature (Mahayana). In Abrahamism, the truth is found in historical revelation and not through one's own discernment, wisdom, or experience. This is why Abrahamists are insentient beings.
A Buddhist who claims what I'm saying should be ignored is an icchantika. Read Bodhidharma's Bloodstream Sermon.

>> No.18704134

>>18693536
>>18693537
I have always understood Abrahamism as conceptualization of the idea that the structure of the universe is built upon determined rules (aka the allegory of God).
Pagan deities also represent the forces of nature, but the gods are way too humanized and endowed with contradictory and contrasting sets of values.
Scientifically speaking, the physical rules of the universe are not compartmentalized and operate interchangeably as a unified and complex system.
Abrahamism goes even further and says, "What if our predetermined values are not the product of one particular time, but the natural result of a universal structure?".
The only problem with this approach is that we don't currently have the bulletproof means to really validate these ideas, hence the reason why this is done through religion.

>> No.18704473

>>18693570
>Fantasy: Vikings become one with the sea
>Reality: After terrorizing Christian lands and facing blowback they sucked the cock of Jesus Christ out of fear of getting absolutely BTFO.
Do better, honey. You can learn from this.

>> No.18704515

>>18693536
>There is absolutely no merit, no beauty, and no depth in any Abrahamic text when compared to Dharmic religions, Celtic & Germanic Neo-Paganism, Greek mystery schools, Mazdan traditions, Daoism, Shintoism, etc.
LOOOOOOOL

in the first sentence of your thesis, you reveal your criticism is based in an emotionalist "anything-but-Christianity." Keep seething incel, you have to be 18 to post here.

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Fucking love this site

>> No.18704611

>>18693649
The tain was written by medieval Irish monks, goofy

>> No.18704814

>>18696368
>Faustian Magus to attain perfect knowledge of God
>Hegel (representing Abrahamism)

dude, hegel criticize the faustian mindset in the phenomenology of spirit, he literally say the faustian mindset cannot achieve a true understanding of the spirit of the world

>> No.18704825

>>18694688
>Platonism is natural to a soul naturally aligned towards the truth,
you don't know that, no one knows, the ture paltonic teachings the agrapha dogmata are lost, all you read, if you read anyhting at all, wa sjust some text designed to attract students to the academy

>> No.18704836

>>18704814
What are you on about? I am referring to Mirandola's conception of magus, the Hermetic one. Hegel most certainly endorses it and explicitly says that Man is the medium through which Absolute Spirit comes to self knowledge.

>> No.18704877

>>18702030
Cope

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>>18693570

>> No.18705056

abrahamic religions are also asian
everything that can be said about buddhism can also be said of islam, christianity and judaism

>> No.18705963

>>18704515
Improve your reading comprehension Zoomer shithead. My main argument was expressed here:
>>18703700

>> No.18705974

>>18705056
Woah we got a perennialist here. Tell us more about how everything sounds the same to your secular, utilitarian ears.

>> No.18707150

>>18693536
You are above normals pseudos, so I grant you the title of big pseudo.

>> No.18707204
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Posting in an anti-Christ thread
Christ is King, seethe harder poo-in-loo fetishists

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible;
And in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only begotten Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
light from light,
true God from true God,
begotten not made,
of one substance with the Father,
through Whom all things came into existence,
Who because of us men and because of our salvation came down from the heavens,
and was incarnate from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and became man,
and was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate,
and suffered and was buried,
and rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures
and ascended to heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father,
and will come again with glory to judge living and dead,
of Whose kingdom there will be no end;
And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and life-giver,
Who proceeds from the Father,
Who with the Father and the Son is together worshipped and together glorified,
Who spoke through the prophets;
in one holy Catholic and apostolic Church.
We confess one baptism to the remission of sins;
we look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen

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>>18707204
Shaitan and Shai-Hulud are the same.

>> No.18707219

>>18707210
This is almost as bad as manchildren who compare everything to Harry Potter or Star Wars. When will you grow out of kid's books? Isn't it time to become a man?

>> No.18707262

>>18707204
>>18707219
Please stop larping it's embarrassing

>> No.18707277

>>18707262
>spiritual child with no connection to God, or his community, thinks an actual religious person is larping because he cannot fathom an authentic spirituality
Why are you projecting so hard? I am a proud Catholic. There's no LARP at all - I really live this.

>> No.18707305

>>18707277
>no connection to God, or his community
>he cannot fathom an authentic spirituality
Why are YOU projecting? Your posturing reeks of recently "converted" tradcath. Your words are vacuous.

>> No.18707322

>>18707305
>sees a religious person post
>immediately accuses them of LARPing
Yeah, there's definitely no projection happening on your end. I guess you must be a psychic - is it one of your siddhis?

>> No.18707329

>>18707322
>a religious person
No, what I saw was a larper who pretended to be a Christian. You are an atheist at heart

>> No.18707336

>>18707277
If you're a real catholic post your rosary callouses

>> No.18707340

>>18707329
I believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and God, the second person of the Holy Trinity. Keep accusing me of lying, it really shows your charity and purity of heart.

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>>18707277
You're an English speaking Catholic. You probably think the current pope is invalid and that the church has erred since V2. You argue with electric orientalists post on a hentai website. You are a protestant.

>> No.18707349

>>18707340
Keep being belligerent and prideful about your alleged "faith", it really shows your charity and purity of heart.
Remember me when you move on to being an epic orthobro in two weeks

>> No.18707360

What a terrible thread.

>> No.18707366

>>18707204
Based Orthanon rejects the filioque

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible;
And in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only begotten Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
light from light,
true God from true God,
begotten not made,
of one substance with the Father,
through Whom all things came into existence,
Who because of us men and because of our salvation came down from the heavens,
and was incarnate from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary
and became man,
and was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate,
and suffered and was buried,
and rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures
and ascended to heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father,
and will come again with glory to judge living and dead,
of Whose kingdom there will be no end;
And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and life-giver,
Who proceeds from the Father,
Who with the Father and the Son is together worshipped and together glorified,
Who spoke through the prophets;
in one holy Catholic and apostolic Church.
We confess one baptism to the remission of sins;
we look forward to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen

In Him the dead are made alive! Alliluia!

>> No.18707368

>>18707347
>You probably think the current pope is invalid
Nope.
>that the church has erred since V2
Nope.
>You are a protestant.
Nope.

More false accusations. So charitable.

>>18707349
>your alleged "faith"
Again, it's strange that you keep accusing me of lying. That's very uncharitable, and it shows me that you are very stunted spiritually.
>Remember me when you move on to being an epic orthobro in two weeks
I've already assessed their claims. They are incorrect. Keep seething at the strawman in your head.

>> No.18707372

>>18707349
He'll be muslim by the end of the year. The tradcath is cucked by his own church. If you really want an entirely political, tribe organizing religion devoted to absolute monistic imperialism, it is Islam.

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>>18707368
>he doesn't think the pope is invalid
>he doesn't think the church has erred
Ah so you will become a Muslim (or replaced by them) a la francaise. The future of the western Catholic is obvious.

>> No.18707388

>>18707368
>assessing the spiritual development of others
That's very uncharitable, and it shows me that you might be very stunted spiritually, although I will suspend judgment because I am not qualified to make a definitive statement on the matter.
If you still can't tell I'm fucking with you because you're so obviously an underageb& who thinks Catholicism is so epic and trad, I don't really give a fuck about your beliefs or what you think

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>>18707368
>you are very stunted spiritually.
>says the guy who posts shit like "Christ is King, seethe harder poo-in-loo fetishists"
what did the fifteen year-old tradlarper mean by this?

>> No.18707404

>>18707372
>He'll be muslim by the end of the year.
I've already assessed their claims. They are incorrect, and Muhammad is an anti-Christ.
>The tradcath is cucked by his own church.
Maybe the strawman of the church within your head. Why are Jewish pornographic notions like "cucking" so present in your head?

>>18707385
>Ah so you will become a Muslim
Nope, that's for low-IQ brainlets. Only a fool could believe what that false prophet said.

>>18707388
>If you still can't tell I'm fucking with you
Oh, you were just pretending to be retarded? You sure got me, brainlet.

>> No.18707422

>>18695122
I've read the Gospels, and as beautifully as Jesus' passion was related by them (especially John), I wasn't swayed and will not become a Christian because I simply don't think their beliefs are the truth. Some parts of the Bible are exceptional though, I don't understand how anyone can say shit like "there is no literary merit in Abrahamism" with a straight face.

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>>18707398
>what did the fifteen year-old tradlarper mean by this?
Christ is actually King, and poo-in-loo fetishists are actually seething, as is clear from the numerous enlightened Bodhisattvas popping out of the woodwork to make accusations of me.

>> No.18707430

>>18707423
If these aren't the words of a profoundly spiritually stunted man, I don't know what they are
I'm not a buddhist by the way, just pointing out your hypocrisy. As devout as you may be, you seem to have skipped Matthew 7:5

>> No.18707435

>>18707423
He'a only king in a Golden Bough sense. Your obsession with monarchist nomenclature gives you away as a teenager.

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>>18707430
>you know the name you called me? g-guess what, its actually you!!!!
I'm shaking in my boots at your hard-hitting reversal.
>As devout as you may be, you seem to have skipped Matthew 7:5
Why is it always the anti-Christs who are telling people how to be a better Christian? Focus on yourself.
>Your obsession with monarchist nomenclature gives you away as a teenager.
I guess Jesus was also obsessed with monarchist nomenclature when He said "my kingdom is not of this world". What do you call somebody who rules a kingdom?

>> No.18707471

>>18707462
Yeah, I struck a nerve. Please take some time to reflect upon yourself, you'll be less angry and happier.

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>>18707471
>Yeah, I struck a nerve.
Keep telling that to yourself, I'm literally shaking over here.
>Please take some time to reflect upon yourself
You responded to my post specifically to make false accusations towards me. Why don't you take your own advice, and keep your useless musings to yourself?

>> No.18707486

>>18707462
Lol you took his imaginary kingship as the most important bludgeon to swing with at non-Christians. No one cares who your king is. Like all the larpists all your reasons are immanent to your doctrines you have no inkling of what it would take to persuade or convert someone who disagrees with you, of course highly ironic since you were not always this way but charmed by twitter accounts posting gothic architecture and quotes from a 500lb englishman

>> No.18707504

>>18707482
Not everyone who replies to you is the same person. I see your behavior, the likes of which could only be caused by personal issues, and am telling you to reflect on it for the good of others and yourself. Your anger and vitriol are meaningless
It seems you aren't ready for self-reflection yet and that you'll keep attacking me though, so I will stop responding while sincerely reiterating my suggestion: stop being angry and turn your focus inwards

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>>18707486
>his imaginary kingship
Why do you think anybody cares about your subverted Jewish opinion, anti-Christ?
>No one cares who your king is.
He's your king too, you're just rebelling against Him out of pride and love for sin.
>Like all the larpists
Again, another baseless accusation, showing a lack of charity and spiritual development.
>your reasons are immanent to your doctrines
Are you ESL? Try working on your sentences a bit more before posting.
>you have no inkling of what it would take to persuade or convert someone who disagrees with you
I have persuaded and converted people in real-life, and online. That was not my intention in this thread, because obviously it is populated by anti-Christs.
>charmed by twitter accounts posting gothic architecture
Another baseless accusation.
>quotes from a 500lb englishman
What are you even talking about, at this point?

>>18707504
>I see your behavior, the likes of which could only be caused by personal issues
I didn't realize I was speaking with a telepathic psychologist.
>am telling you to reflect on it for the good of others and yourself.
Why would I listen to what an anti-Christ has to say? I'm not angry at all, just chilling out on a Friday afternoon. I'm quite comfy, actually.

>stop being angry and turn your focus inwards
I'm not angry, but I appreciate your free psychology session, doctor anti-Christ.

At the mention of the name "Jesus Christ", these subverted Jewish golems pop out of the woodwork to seethe. Try it in any thread, and it will happen like clockwork.

>> No.18707534

>>18707527
Lmao Christianity is a Jewish faith. Stopped reading past your first volley.

>> No.18707576

>>18707534
>Christianity is a Jewish faith
You have to believe the Talmud is an authoritative source of God-breathed knowledge to be considered a Jew. This is why converts to Karaite Judaism are not allowed to make aliyah to Israel. You have no idea what you are talking about, but have been subverted by Jewish propaganda which was designed to make you reject Christianity. Maybe one day, you will understand.

>> No.18707583

>>18707576
You use their books. You use their names. You use their laws. You use their commandments. You use their covenants. You use their pilpul.

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>>18707583
>You use their books
Sacred scripture does not belong to any given ethnic group. In fact, they reject many of the books in the Bible (obviously including the New Testament).
>You use their names
And they use ours - it's called cultural exchange.
>You use their commandments
God's commandments, not any ethnic group's.
>You use their covenants
No, we don't. We reject the Mosaic covenant of circumcision, which is one of their defining features.
>You use their pilpul.
That's a Rabbinic Jewish tradition. We don't use the Talmud.

Again, think about this rationally - by shilling against Jesus Christ, you are literally acting as a useful idiot for those Jewish forces which wish to make our society atheist, liberal, and materialistic. You are choosing to be animated by that anti-Logos spirituality which is the defining feature of Judaic spirituality. In a way, you could be considered a "golem" - from their perspective, a soulless automaton which enacts the Jewish will as its own.

Christians, on the other hand, can confidently say that the Jews "killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they do not please God, and are the enemies of all mankind" (1 Thessalonians 2:15).

>> No.18707729

>>18707701
>if you don't convert to Judaism, you're Jewish
Extreme cope. You were in bad faith all along. I could smell it from "Christ is King."

>> No.18707756

>>18693536
drod my iranic brother
what is your opinion on mazdakism

>> No.18707798

>>18707729
How did you derive that non sequitur from my post? Is the bot malfunctioning, Shmuel?

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>>18707798
Lol you were using hebrew slurs against me for not being Jewish

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>>18707462
It pisses me off to see blue eyes jesus but it shows the true nature of the falsehood at hand. Your Jesus is a white man LARPing as a middle easterner

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