>Makes a career out of criticising Marx >Admits to having never read Marx Nothing personal

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Anonymous Wed Jul 28 23:19:28 2021 No.18740530 [Reply] [Original]

>Makes a career out of criticising Marx
>Admits to having never read Marx

Nothing personal

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 28 23:21:05 2021 No.18740537 >>18740530 >Makes a career out of making off bad threads >Admits to having never read Nothing personal

>>	Sneed !jjVySneed6 Wed Jul 28 23:21:46 2021 No.18740540 >>18740530 still better than Zizek

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 28 23:22:07 2021 No.18740542 >>18740537 Hello Jordan

Anonymous Wed Jul 28 23:23:30 2021 No.18740548

i wonder how somebody can go through their entire life looking up to intellectuals, even going so far as to become a faggot academic themself, and then just completely skipping one of the most influential philosophers of all time

>yeah no i don't need to read this guy who completely shaped our current world either directly or indirectly depending on country
>i'm well read btw

genuinely curious how his mind works, how could you be a wannabe big brain and professor and social critic but not think to read marx

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 28 23:23:45 2021 No.18740549 He's washed his penis before, that's more than one can say about Zizek. Zizek looks like he smells like pee.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 28 23:24:01 2021 No.18740551 The saddest thing is that the introduction is a literal fucking booklet he could in a couple of hours. Grifters are so pathetic.

Anonymous Wed Jul 28 23:35:02 2021 No.18740606

>>18740548
He didn't read shit other than Jung as evidenced by his horrific understanding of many different areas. Have you ever read his book? Reads like an essay a 12th grader would write for a final exam, just a rambling mess full of bad reasoning and inconsistencies. His whole hierarchy based on biology theory is laughable, as any biologist knows, and that's saying nothing of his understanding of philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 28 23:36:59 2021 No.18740613 File: 6 KB, 237x212, 5739845972834.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18740606 >Have you ever read his book? No. Why would you do that to yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 28 23:38:02 2021 No.18740617 >>18740548 >You WILL read Marx Waste of time, pseudo. I will go back to cultivating knowledge in my cave now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 28 23:38:54 2021 No.18740622 >>18740617 Fine but you better literally never talk about Marx or argue with somebody about Marxism kiddo. Going to be kinda hard to do in 2021.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 28 23:39:17 2021 No.18740624 >>18740617 go larp in caves while bbc fucks your mom

Anonymous Wed Jul 28 23:42:54 2021 No.18740639

>>18740622
I am going to talk about Marx and how awful he is. No I will not engage anyone on the topic because it is the sport of the uninspired and boring. Why would you want to discuss topics of this matter with another human being? Do you enjoy CBT?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 28 23:45:34 2021 No.18740646 >>18740530 To be fair i dont know any marxist who has read any free market theorist like friedman or hayek or mills either

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 28 23:52:03 2021 No.18740696 >>18740530 Most of so called "marxists" on the internet haven't even read Nietzsche or Stirner so they're not any better.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 00:23:31 2021 No.18740799 >>Makes a career out of criticising Marx This has nothing to do with his work, anon. His career is related to other shit, he felt threatened by some weird shit on his workplace and started flinging shit everywhere. I'm unironically thinking based.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 00:24:39 2021 No.18740804 >>18740530 I agree with what you're saying, but what the hell is the point of starting yet another "LOL PETERSON IS DUM" thread?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 00:26:14 2021 No.18740810 >>18740799 this. OP has only seen Peterson on youtube feminist rekt videos and didn't know he was a psychologist

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 00:26:28 2021 No.18740812 >>18740530 Lit is trash

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 00:34:42 2021 No.18740836 >>18740530 He actually made his career as a student of Jung.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 00:58:41 2021 No.18740922 >>18740646 >>18740696 These

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 00:59:53 2021 No.18740928 >>18740530 Gives me inspiration about BSing through my own life.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 01:01:47 2021 No.18740935 >>18740646 This, imagine if libertarians refused to talk to people who havent read human action or some shit. Commies are just faggots

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 01:02:26 2021 No.18740938 >>18740548 >genuinely curious how his mind works "Marxism bad" >>18740530 Do you consider this a win for him? I consider this a loss for everyone. >>18740540 >Tribal mindset Not a great approach if you want to understand what's true and what's false.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 01:09:50 2021 No.18740964

>>18740810
In fairness I understand why anyone who hadn't been following him since before 12 Rules came out thinks he's an idiot. I don't really buy into a lot of his ideas but he used to be a pretty original and interesting thinker, now he's just a conservative self help guru.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 01:27:22 2021 No.18741031 >>18740548 Yeah I'd understand the average patriotic America being like fuck marx but not a serious academic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 01:35:33 2021 No.18741063 >>18740540 Literally in what way? Give me one good example of something Peterson has done that's actually better than Zizek

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 01:40:57 2021 No.18741083 >>18741063 >Literally in what way what the fuck is wrong with you? Who writes that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 01:45:26 2021 No.18741096 >>18741031 Marx was primarily an economist, so I don’t understand why you would want to read him unless you are into learning about outdated economic interpretations. What he wrote on actual philosophy was BTFO by a literal drawing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 04:15:30 2021 No.18741541 >>18741083 Save your emotional outbursts for your next therapist session, bucko.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 04:17:18 2021 No.18741545 >>18741096 Marx was a Hegelian and knew a lot about philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 05:08:46 2021 No.18741676 >>18740696 I won't give my opinion on those until i finish reading them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 05:13:17 2021 No.18741689 >>18741545 >Knew a lot about philosophy He is the continuation of the great European philosophical tradition after Hegel.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 05:28:09 2021 No.18741728 File: 13 KB, 220x348, 220px-Althusser.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Makes a career out of explaining Marx >Admits to having never read Marx >Stabs his wife to death Nothing personal

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 05:32:13 2021 No.18741743 To be fair, there's really no point in reading Marx since Marxists are fundamentally disingenuous and always argue in bad faith anyways.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 05:43:28 2021 No.18741767 >>18741728 kek

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 05:50:13 2021 No.18741784 >>18741743 Why is this the case? Anyone who seems to support Marx and his ideas always come across as the most hollow, sarcastic, brittle people who do anything to get one up on you or dismiss you, even if you're asking sincere questions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 05:52:56 2021 No.18741788 >>18741784 https://spandrell.com/2017/11/14/biological-leninism/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 05:56:48 2021 No.18741797 >>18741788 Wtf is this random schizo-chink blogpost? Is it yours? Are you shilling your own shit?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 05:59:55 2021 No.18741804 >>18741797 Silence.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 05:59:59 2021 No.18741805 >>18741784 I guess you'll have to find out why yourself.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 06:01:12 2021 No.18741808

>>18741784
Well, every action is moral if it aids the revolution, comrade.
You're dealing with people who want to fundamentally restructure all of human society. Obviously there is a massive amount of destruction that's going to be associated with it and they've made their peace with that. Mere insincerity or using cynical tactics just to get one up on you or make you look bad is nothing to a person like that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 06:07:00 2021 No.18741821 >be peterson >be alienated from your own public image by your daughter >be alienated from your image of her by cobra tate >be alienated from your own intellect by zizek

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 06:10:00 2021 No.18741829

>>18741808
Also it should be pointed out that if you take a strictly materialist view of the world, there's really nothing distinguishing human beings from livestock or even just tools to be used and discarded. Why should a Marxist care about being disingenuous in light of that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 06:20:10 2021 No.18741852 >>18740530 Gabor calims he's an agent of repression and that there's a lot of unchecked anger in him. I tend to agree: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOJ0lUSBI14

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 06:21:24 2021 No.18741856 >>18741784 because communism is a religion. it needs everyone to be a commie to work, therefore you must convert other people.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 06:25:07 2021 No.18741870

>>18741821
Zizek was dodgy as shit in that debate, more than usual. He conveniently pulls his Lacanian obscurantist bullshit in order to not be cornered. He's incapable of practical thought, and incapable of dialogue. He has admitted many times to using words in order to hide.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 06:37:19 2021 No.18741900 >>18740530 His career was not about criticizing Marx, he did emphasize that both communists and nazis are deranged but you dont need to read Marx or nazi theorists to arrive at this conclusion, it's more observing how those people behave.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 06:47:54 2021 No.18741920
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>>18740639
>I am going to talk about Marx and how awful he is. No I will not engage anyone on the topic because it is the sport of the uninspired and boring. Why would you want to discuss topics of this matter with another human being? Do you enjoy CBT?

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 06:52:17 2021 No.18741932

>>18740548
>skipping one of the most influential philosophers
Marx wasn't a philosopher, he was an economist and social theorist. You're giving him too much credit. True, he was influential, but it's not like he came up with the idea of communism and socialism.
>>18740617
>>18740639
Holy based

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 07:02:52 2021 No.18741956 Jordan sets up to debate marxism, and puts the word HAPPINESS in the event. Everyone knows that the happiest Marxist is like the tallest dwarf.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 07:30:14 2021 No.18742024 >>18741932 >Marx wasn't a philosopher He was a part of the materialist tradition, which goes back to Epicurus. You may not like him (like me), but he was a philosopher.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 07:38:38 2021 No.18742049

>>18742024
Marx makes no ontological assertions, no epistemological assertions, no metaphysical assertions, no ethical assertions (or at least no reasoning whatsoever), and no aesthetic assertions. He doesn't even provide justified negations, he provides virtually nothing. He's not a philosopher by any measure, and he doesn't even approach Epicurus in philosophical intellection (which isn't even saying that much).
>materialist tradition
Epicurus wasn't a materialist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 08:27:30 2021 No.18742200 >>18740530 I'm happy to criticise Marx based on Marx's life, the behaviour and arguments presented by Marxists and the obvious catastrophies that result from their attempts to implement Marxism. Why bother reading him? I haven't read the Quran either.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 08:44:15 2021 No.18742238 >>18742200 the communist manifesto is baby sized

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 08:50:31 2021 No.18742261 >>18742238 It's also inadequate to read only that according to Marxists, assuming the small size made it a more acceptable waste of time

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 09:11:43 2021 No.18742366

>>18742049
>Marx makes no ontological assertions,
He took Hegel's
>no epistemological assertions, no metaphysical assertions, no ethical assertions (or at least no reasoning whatsoever), and no aesthetic assertions.
Correct. To him this things are only interpretations of the world and he thought one didn't need to interpret it, but change it. Heidegger made fun of him for it: https://youtu.be/pkNhVF3JmCM
I think Marx is considered a philosopher because of concepts like alienation. He's status as a "philosopher" is obviously to be questioned.
>Epicurus wasn't a materialist.
>Also like Democritus, Epicurus was a materialist who taught that the only things that exist are atoms and void.[95][11] Void occurs in any place where there are no atoms.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 09:28:37 2021 No.18742434 >>18741096 stirner? i dont know anything about that how'd he do it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 10:19:53 2021 No.18742658 >>18741932 It's like the man took a 391 BC play mocking what would happen if women could participate in Parliament and turned it into an economic model.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 10:22:04 2021 No.18742665 >>18740530 and still all trannies and pinkos seethe just at the thought of him lmao guess he hit too close to home eh

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 10:23:30 2021 No.18742670

Marx is intellectual poison anyways so if anything it strengthens his argument if he's never been naive enough to expose himself to it.
Its disconcertingly foolish to hear educated people say you need to stick your leg in a beartrap to know its bad for you. Must be the result of parents not letting their children touch hot stoves.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 10:35:55 2021 No.18742738 >>18741784 Because they realize it's all a numbers game and it doesn't matter if they're right or wrong as long as they get everybody on board, one way or another. Their tactics aren't about winning debates, but spreading rhetoric.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 10:38:16 2021 No.18742751 >>18742738 This. Marxism is a sophistic Ponzi scheme.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 10:45:56 2021 No.18742782
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>>18740530
Alright, the daily JBP hate thread!

Reminder
>makes nazis seethe
>makes commies seethe (relevant to this post)
>makes main stream media seethe
>makes Canadian government seethe
>makes Woke Twitter seethe
>makes SJW’s seethe
>makes trannies seethe
>pseudo “intellectual” makes a comic of him as red skull
>every time he opens his mouth, some lefty breadtuber has to race to make a three-hour character assassination video

All because he tries to help lost young men and incels take responsibility for themselves.

How can one man be so based?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 10:50:27 2021 No.18742795 still have yet to see any evidence that peterson never read marx

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 10:54:25 2021 No.18742812

>go to debate
>event literally LITERALLY called "capitalism vs marxism"
>zizek LITERALLY says he isn't there to defend marxism
>peterson doesn't know how to respond, they just talk about random shit
>audience full of sheeple say whoever they like won the debate
at that point I realized debates are completely pointless

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 10:55:30 2021 No.18742816 >>18742782 You forgot >got rich off of garbage self-help books and went on a benzo bender >never even mentions his psychology textbooks, probably to keep his real contributions under the radar

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 11:03:24 2021 No.18742849 >>18740530 Fuck this hack. His daughter should tell you more than enough to not trust anything this mans says

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 12:44:44 2021 No.18743446 >>18740530 His career is based off of Psychiatry Jung and Nietzsche not criticizing marx. He criticizes socialism because he used to be one

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 12:47:18 2021 No.18743463 Most Marxists haven’t read Marx, and I can tell you that Jordan Peterson’s understanding of Marx is perfectly adequate for the purposes of his discussions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 12:57:01 2021 No.18743527 >>18742812 >You're obligated to defend what I want you to defend

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 12:58:54 2021 No.18743537 >>18743527 Why sign up for a debate with that subject then

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 13:00:43 2021 No.18743550 >>18743537 Sometimes you win if you don't defend anything. You can sit there smug, while Jordan Peterson gets angry and everyone becomes a communist.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 13:11:02 2021 No.18743626
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>>18742434
By negating universals and, subsequently, class. Stirner saw all categories as fundamentally empty (including himself, the Unique is merely an identity built on emptiness) and all grand historical narratives as not describing him. He is not an idealist like some of his enemies would like to label him as. Rather, his philosophy is far closer to Nietzsche’s and the later postmodernists - Marx being an eternal modernist and thus antithetical to these later developments.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 13:17:03 2021 No.18743660

>>18742261
The people who say that shit are just posturing. The whole point of the manifesto was to condense the ideas down into something that could be read and understood by the working class. The problem with modern Marxism isn’t the ideas themselves, but the fact that nobody hates the proletariat more than stick-up-their ass so called “leftists.” They refuse to engage with blue collar workers based on assumptions of racism and the like. They want to fight for some imagined perfectly ethical proletariat, not the one that exists right in front of them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 13:20:13 2021 No.18743680 >>18740540 Zizek pushed his shit in no lube in front of everyone

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 13:25:01 2021 No.18743719 >>18740530 Zizek pretty much exposed him, he never recovered after that, I heard he even became a junkie and had to go to rehab afterwards.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 13:26:27 2021 No.18743733 >>18742049 >Marx makes no ontological assertions what is base/super-structure >no epistemological assertions what is ideology/false consciousness >no metaphysical assertion what is historical materialism >no ethical assertions sure why not

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 13:29:13 2021 No.18743750 >>18740548 He spent 30 years of his life in the presence of 19-22 year old zoomers. You would think you're a genius too.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 13:31:19 2021 No.18743766 >>18740799 >His career is related to other shit His entire career he talked about the dangers of totalitarianism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 13:31:34 2021 No.18743768 File: 467 KB, 515x641, (you).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18740530 Why do tankies always need to resort to blatant lies? Is it because they know can't win an actual argument? Either way you have to go back >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 13:33:11 2021 No.18743777 >>18741728 rofl

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 13:33:52 2021 No.18743782 >>18743768 >expecting or wanting serious argumentation on a Mongolian basket weaving forum have sex

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 13:34:37 2021 No.18743787 >>18740530 He made a career out of reading Jung

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 13:35:50 2021 No.18743793 File: 701 KB, 855x924, Lenin the incel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18743782 If you're going to admit that you're here solely to lower the level of discourse and waste everyone's time....why the fuck are you even here.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 15:36:14 2021 No.18744661

>>18743733
He barely articulated most of these aside from historical materialism, his work on ideology is particularly scarce even though future Marxists never shut the fuck up about it. Even then almost all these views are contingent on modern history and aren’t universal philosophies, hence why his influence is political

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 16:25:34 2021 No.18744988 >>18742816 And now >makes /lit seethe

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 18:11:26 2021 No.18745664 [DELETED]

>>18744661
>He barely articulated most of these aside from historical materialism
>so we have gone from none to "barely articulated most of these", decent backpedal
>these views are contingent on modern history and aren’t universal philosophies, hence why his influence is political
first, Marx was a universalist. sure, he rooted his theory historically, but that process of historical development was universal. also saying his influence is political is pretty meaningless considering political philosophy is ancient, one of the chief concerns of Plato and Aristotle

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 18:13:29 2021 No.18745689

>>18744661
>He barely articulated most of these aside from historical materialism
so we have gone from none to "barely articulated most of these", decent backpedal
>these views are contingent on modern history and aren’t universal philosophies, hence why his influence is political
first, Marx was a universalist. sure, he rooted his theory historically, but that process of historical development was universal. also saying his influence is political is pretty meaningless considering political philosophy is ancient, one of the chief concerns of Plato and Aristotle

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 18:52:04 2021 No.18745911 >>18740696 No, but Peterson isn't some retard on the internet. He's an academic. You'd be hard pressed to find a Marxist academic that hasn't read Nietzsche/Stirner. Many have spent time analyzing Adam Smith even.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 18:54:25 2021 No.18745927 >>18743768 He literally admits to not having read Marx on a live debate against Zizek. Why do faggots such as thyself insist on spreading fake news by screaming "fake news"? Why are you lying? Are you a tranny?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:00:28 2021 No.18745951 >>18745927 technically he said that he had read the Manifesto in highschool or something like that, not that it makes it any better

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:03:20 2021 No.18745958 >>18745927 Marx was a fucking failure, like you. No wonder you like him. Marx's parents would literally make fun of him for being a do nothing bum.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:05:50 2021 No.18745965 >>18745927 Why would someone need to have read Marx to debate communism if Marx's ideas have never been tried?

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:06:25 2021 No.18745972

>>18745958
>Lies about others lying
>Gets called out
>Y-You're a-a b-b-bum!! P-poggers!!
Hahaha, I see you're an underage trustfund baby. I could literally bumfuck both your mommy and daddy while you admired my machinist hands, little twerp. But I'll let you go this time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:07:00 2021 No.18745975 >>18745927 He does read about Marx - we read about his ideas in practice all the time when we hear about the Soviet Union and China killing millions of people.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:08:37 2021 No.18745979

>>18745965
Ahahahahhaha this grade school "witticism".
I don't know retard, why do material sciences, such as physics, debate unproven models such as String Theory? Primarily because it helps determine an idea and create models, which is what science is. Now if that's for the physical world, imagine something like social relations represented monetarily. Jesus christ I thought you had to be over 18 to post here.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:08:47 2021 No.18745980

>>18745972
>Dude socialism will work this time, trust me, the mediocre humanities major
Just kill yourself, retard. You're going to be a lower class specimen for rest of your life. You will NEVER lead any vanguard to proletarian victory. Accept your fate.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:10:11 2021 No.18745990 >>18744988 You have to understand, by diminishing the source of military personnel by educating young men he is attacking the whole nation (possibly multiple).

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:11:07 2021 No.18745994 >>18745980 I'm not even a socialist, faggot. I know it's hard for you to comprehend this but the world doesn't work in stone age tribalist thinking "muh blue vs muh red". Not if your IQ is above double digits at least.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:13:00 2021 No.18745998

>>18745979
>Marxism can create ideas and models
We know, retard, and those models by Marx have failed constantly, but yeah, you stupid fucking cult minded followers of him will never acknowledge that. You will just use dialectics to make excuses because you are an idiot just doing sophistry. Observable reality contradicts your philosophical idealism. Life in the real world doesn't revolve around what Marx said, he isn't Christ, hiding behind Marx's written garbage doesn't make people take you seriously. You are not persuasive , you are not intelligent, nor are you worth anyone's fucking time.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:13:28 2021 No.18746001

>>18741063
Personally helped better the lives of hundreds (perhaps more) of people over a multi-decade career as a clinical psychologist. (Bonus: Contributed greatly to practical research regarding mental health and addictions--this is verifiable via the h-index).

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:14:43 2021 No.18746005 >>18745965 what does this even mean

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:16:15 2021 No.18746014 >>18745979 I haven't read a single word any flat earth anti vax pseud wrote, yet I can objectively claim that anything they did wrote is not worth reading.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:17:14 2021 No.18746020 >Just read Marx Marxists don't even agree with what Marx said - they just split into tiny little groups and kill each other.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:18:10 2021 No.18746025 >>18746005 He means that real communism has never been tried. Therefor there's no point in debating it as regardless of what you argue, the retort will be "the REAL variant has never been tried". The only winning move against retards is not to play.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:19:28 2021 No.18746035 >>18746014 None of those theories have shaped the landscape or been debated within the academic literature of Astronomy, unlike Marx has in philosophy/economy. You are a literal retard for thinking what you said is smart.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:20:04 2021 No.18746038 >>18746025 Communism is the real movement by which the present state of things is abolished. I think you are thinking of socialism? Would be easier to discuss this with someone who knows what they are talking about

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:21:05 2021 No.18746043

>>18745998
I thought you were implying those models were never tried? How did these models influence the world if >>18745965 we don't need to debate communism? Maybe you should stop posting on /lit/ and go check if the Olympics have a mental gymnastics section where the one who best moves goalposts win.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:24:09 2021 No.18746052

>>18746043
Mental gymnastics is when you do sophistry to ignore the core premise of your argument; you miss the forest for the trees. Economics is the study of case studies, Petereson is a trained doctor, he knows that in order for theories to be useful, they have to be reproducible. Marxism has no reproducible success rate, and its models are created disastrous results. Anyone with a brain can put two and put together.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:24:22 2021 No.18746055 >>18746038 >Communism is the real movement by which the present state of things is abolished Just lol. Do you think this means fucking anything at all?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:25:38 2021 No.18746063 >>18746052 >Economics is the study of case studies anon, what are you talking about? have you read any of the classical economists?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:27:26 2021 No.18746070 >>18746035 Next you'll tell me the bible is an important philosophical text because it's popular across thousands of years. Tell me, what specifically do I need to understand from his works in order to realize it's not useless drivel?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:27:41 2021 No.18746072 >>18746055 Is this the first time you've heard the definition of communism?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:27:53 2021 No.18746073 >>18746063 Anon, are you retard? Economics has gone a long way since Adam Smith. Why do retards like you insist its a unchanging dogma

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:28:43 2021 No.18746078 >>18746070 >the bible is an important philosophical text because it's popular across thousands of years Uhh yes?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:29:00 2021 No.18746080 >>18746055 It must be confusing for contemporary revolutionaries trying to rebel against a system that preaches their own values.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:29:28 2021 No.18746082 >>18746063 The Wealth of Nations literally uses case studies to demonstrate ideas. Holy fuck you commies are stupid. You've never read Smith, huh?

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:29:42 2021 No.18746084

>>18746070
How would you refute what the bible says if you never read it? >>18740530 Reread the thread.
"Yeah ughhh Jesus bad for saying this"
"But Jesus never said that"
"Shieeeeeet"
Lm@0 @ the fatherless children in this thread looking up to protect their daddy.

Reread the thread.

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Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:31:48 2021 No.18746093
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>>18741870
Then tf is the point to debate if you're not ready to have your opinions questioned and instead decide to turtle so as not to 'lose' a debate? Isn't THE SOLE REASON OF PHILOSOPHY to question and have your own ideas challenged? What went wrong?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:33:02 2021 No.18746100 >>18746072 I've seen that phrase posted probably 100 times and never once, ONCE, has anyone said anything remotely intelligible about what it actually means. On its face it means literally just 'things changing'. Fucking commies

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:33:02 2021 No.18746101

>>18746073
So you think Adam Smith and Ricardo weren't real economists? Austrians are out too I guess. The American school for sure. All the historical schools. You pretty much deny every influential economic school that's ever existed lmao read a fucking book

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:33:48 2021 No.18746104 >>18746084 What possible conclusion is there to extract from refuting folk tales? I might as well try refuting Pinocchio.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:34:24 2021 No.18746107 >>18746082 LOL okay in that case so did Marx

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:35:41 2021 No.18746112 >>18746100 Maybe you should read the passage to get some context rather than trying to learn from fourchannel

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:36:09 2021 No.18746114 >>18746101 You know at some point you need to draw a line and discard old attempts for what they are, trash.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:36:14 2021 No.18746115

>>18746104
Not a piece that "is an important philosophical text because it's popular across thousands of years". As such, it's not a piece your daddy could have dedicated his career to refute without understanding, so you don't understand what you're saying.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:36:45 2021 No.18746121 >>18746093 kek

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:36:55 2021 No.18746123

>>18746101
You're retard. You actually think modern economists religious follow Smith, and haven't updated his ideas. Imagine being so retarded you think economics hasn't changed since the 18th century.
>>18746107
Actually, you're right here, but for a really terrible reason. Engels, and Marx thought socialism was possible because utopian Christian communes in the United States were doing it - sharing property in common. People like Robert Owen, and Diggers, who often failed at making it work were the inspire of their economics. And you wonder why Marxism has been disaster. In Engel's piece, "The Communist Colonies" he fawns over these utopian schemes as real communism. I suggest anyone with a brain read these works, and you can see the utopian development of communism in action.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:37:16 2021 No.18746124 >>18746112 Suck my dick, you faggots cant describe what communism is because it's an incoherent meaningless promise waved at you by people manipulating you and you're actually fucking dumb enough to fall for it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:38:35 2021 No.18746130 >>18746124 >Grug can't comprehend thing >WHY NO ONE EXPLAIN TO GRUG IN SIMPLE WORD GRUG NO COMPREHEND MEANING OF WORD Oh no no no no unironically filtered

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:38:36 2021 No.18746131 >>18746114 Okay what economic theory do you recommend anon

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:38:55 2021 No.18746133 >>18746014 lmfao

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:39:53 2021 No.18746141 >>18746124 Literally read a book, I can drag you to a library but I can't make you read

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:40:04 2021 No.18746143 >>18746130 You are actually dumb enough to fall for dictators saying 'give us all the power, it's totally a dictatorship of the proletariat and will eventually lead to emancipation, no we cant describe how that will work'. Just fucking lmao

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:40:36 2021 No.18746147

>>18746123
Yeah, modern economists just copy paste the Lagrange equation to minimize functions they don't understand. How do they interpret the data, the model, the rationale?
>SHIEEET BRO YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND MODERN ECONOMISTS
I'm an economist btw. You don't make any fucking sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:40:50 2021 No.18746150 >>18746131 Neoclassical economies

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:41:16 2021 No.18746152 >>18746080 holy shit globo homo corporations want to abolish capitalism? didn't know they were so based

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:42:03 2021 No.18746157 >>18746143 Ascribing a headcannon to a group of words you don't comprehend is worse than simply not understanding it, Grug! Quick someone get the ABC song ready, we need to help a chap!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:42:08 2021 No.18746158 >>18746147 >I'm an economist So was Marx - you're just one poor quality like him. Smart Marxist economists, like Bukharin, opt'd for capitalism

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:43:48 2021 No.18746166 >>18746157 And yet you will never, ever describe how communism works, because you have no clue because it's a fundamentally retarded concept. Have fun being a useful idiot

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:43:52 2021 No.18746167 >>18746082 so did marx...

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:44:53 2021 No.18746173

>>18746123
>You actually think modern economists religious follow Smith, and haven't updated his ideas
uhhh no? my point was that your definition of economic was fucking retarded and you are literally making up shit I never said to try and cope lmao. Also most of Marx's "case studies" (the notion literally didn't exist in Marx's time so it's a weird standard) were from bourgeois economies like England, he was highly critical of the utopians and wrote polemics against them. But this is now just me telling you what Marx wrote, just read him and I won't have to hold your hand through 101 level shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:44:56 2021 No.18746174 >>18746150 Ah I see, so you have no idea what that word means and were taught it in high school. You're not even Lagrange copy paste level. My fault for arguing on 4under18 I guess.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:45:01 2021 No.18746175 >>18741728 He strangled his wife

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:45:04 2021 No.18746176 >>18746167 Again, he used examples that were terrible like Robert Owens to show that communism could work. Owen's experiments were failures, bro.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:45:22 2021 No.18746179 >>18746152 >abolish capitalism Oh no, it's actually retarded.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:45:44 2021 No.18746184 >>18746025 Based. >>18746038 Retard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:46:26 2021 No.18746189 >>18746174 we're gonna get a religion board and there's literally nothing you can do about it

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:46:30 2021 No.18746191 >>18746150 explains a lot

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:47:09 2021 No.18746193

>>18746173
>Borugesie economists
You just discredited everything you said.
> he was highly critical of the utopians a
No he fucking wasn't - the man was development of utopian socialism. He literally took a utopian idea from Christians in the United States who held commmon property, and argued they failed because they didn't achieve state power, and use violence, to compete with the capitalsits. Marx was so retarded he argued the state should plan everything, and that this would solve the "anarchy of the market" - a system without price signals or market competition. It worked it so well places like Russia and China. Stop pretending you know what you're talking about, you pseudo. You're an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:48:09 2021 No.18746204 >>18746174 >You don't know what supply and demand means I'm not the commie though

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:48:41 2021 No.18746211 >>18746189 Good. It will collect all the schizos in one place.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:48:48 2021 No.18746213 >>18746193 I said bourgeois economies, not economists lmao you can't even read

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:50:33 2021 No.18746226 >>18746211 I will mainly piss off the raiding discord that has too much free time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:50:56 2021 No.18746228 >>18746213 He's either baiting or genuinely mentally handicapped. Just stop replying.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:51:19 2021 No.18746231 >>18746228 >>18746213 Go back to leftypol

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:52:43 2021 No.18746236 >>18746226 >W-we're being raided guys!!! Meds.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:54:30 2021 No.18746241 >>18746236 %

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:55:32 2021 No.18746245

Also it's so funny how I'm not even on the left, more of a based centrist just calling Peterson trash, yet cultists don't even see the arguments but come calling you a "lefty cultist" because you're saying Peterson is retarded for not understanding *gasp the forbidden lefty word* Marx. Cultists calling other people cultists. Many bugmen in this board lately.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:57:36 2021 No.18746252 it is mad again

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:57:48 2021 No.18746255

>>18746245
But Peterson is right about Marxism. Its one of the few things he gets right. Just because Anon's call you out on your bullshit doesn't mean its a cult. You are a typical socialist fat body sympathetic to government parasitism, and you defend Marx because you clearly don't want to work for a living.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 19:59:16 2021 No.18746262 >>18746245 >Be a communist sheep clothing >Bro I'm totally just a centrist Okay commie

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:00:17 2021 No.18746269 >>18746245 Peterson is supporter of universal health care. Its so strange to me that leftists think he's a fascist when he has lefty views. He's just a lot smarter than you because he doesn't make pity his entire world view.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:02:12 2021 No.18746279 >>18746262 >if you have read Marx and dislike Peterson you must be a communist literal schizophrenia

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:03:33 2021 No.18746289 >>18745927 >>18745927 >He literally admits to not having read Marx >technically he said that he had read the Manifesto It comes as no surprise cognitive dissonance is a requisite both for communism and trannyism.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:07:42 2021 No.18746312

>>18746289
If someone has only read the Manifesto they haven't really "read" Marx. The Manifesto was written for semi-literate factory workers to try and bolster their revolutionary fervor, it isn't a systematic work, and it isn't commonly read in Marxist academia. It's like reading the passage about the cave then claiming you read Plato

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:11:56 2021 No.18746338 Jordan Peterson Brilliantly Destroys Marxism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0FMqIMkxAw

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:17:34 2021 No.18746380 >>18746179 oh, they don't want to abolish capitalism? so what does communism mean to you, and what makes these corporations communist?

Fat Bitch Thu Jul 29 20:18:58 2021 No.18746391

>>18740964
I got in to Peterson via his biblical lectures, and that cultivated a genuine interest in the Bible and what it had to say, but Peterson had already collapsed in on himself, along with his entire life, by the time I found out about them. Which no sign such things would ever continue. I've since forged past it on my own, and the further I go the more I see the holes in his work and ideas. I'm thankful to him for sparking a genuine interest in old ideas and values and their worth, but I have to wonder about his own unsaid values. He has refused adamantly to share his own thoughts on God as anything other than a metaphor in his work, but I have a big suspicion he considers the entire prospect a series of well crafted metaphors and nothing else. Which is fine for the OT, but once you read NT it takes on a.. very different tone... and it's lessons can no longer be taken at a metaphorical level only and remain useful.

I've since moved on to much more blatantly Christian thinkers that provide a clearer view of things than Peterson ever did.

I've checked on his channel recently and the guy looks like a ghost. He also only.. paraphrases the things I've already heard him say but now in much cheaper forms. His work has useful bits and pieces, but it's very far from complete.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:26:48 2021 No.18746429 >>18746380 >so what does communism mean to you Antinatalistic death cult.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:27:38 2021 No.18746435 >>18746312 Classic commy double think, "having read some works by someone, they haven't really read some works by someone."

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:28:47 2021 No.18746442 >>18746312 >moving the goalposts Double down all you want, you will never be a real woman the same way communism will never be anything but a joke made for the over-socialized and unintelligent.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:31:00 2021 No.18746449 >>18746435 >>18746442 obviously don't do much reading do you? I've read more Heidegger than Peterson has read Marx but I would never think to pretend I have read Heidegger let alone make it my shtick to shit on Heidegger all the time

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:32:36 2021 No.18746458 >>18746449 Yeah, bro. I'm an intellectually honest person myself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:35:03 2021 No.18746469 File: 335 KB, 680x798, 1576005014760.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Carlos "Gas the kikes, race war now" Marx is pretty based if you ask me. I'm a certified Marxist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:36:20 2021 No.18746472 >>18746391 >the guy looks like a ghost. I'm sure you'll be a beautiful flower when you hit 60.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:37:19 2021 No.18746481

>>18746435
You know what he means, stop being obtuse - the communist manifesto is essentially a blurb, a propaganda pamphlet.
Marx is not there writing as a philosopher but as a rabble-rouser, whereas in the actual centrepiece of Marxist lit, Capital, he actually makes an argument for Historical Materialism rather than just some snappy slogans.

>>	Fat Bitch Thu Jul 29 20:38:14 2021 No.18746485 >>18746472 Bruh, that's not what I mean. My parents are 60. They don't look like what I saw.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:41:15 2021 No.18746503 >>18746449 >let alone make it my shtick to shit on Heidegger all the time One more lie, one more cope, where does it end?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:44:08 2021 No.18746521 >>18746503 just because it isn't true doesn't mean it isn't convincing or useful

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:44:12 2021 No.18746522 >>18746485 You do realize that 60 is statistically about a decade away from death right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:44:16 2021 No.18746524 >>18746503 Heidegger is a brilliant philosopher, just like Marx, it's undeniable once you actually read them

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:47:46 2021 No.18746553 File: 3.44 MB, 1125x750, slap.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18746524 >Marx is a brilliant philosopher

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:48:48 2021 No.18746556

>>18746449
>>18746481

Yeah but you're chatting shit lads, your argument here is that he cannot stand on what you believe to be an arbitrary position of understanding as you presume he has not met your undefined level of full understanding of a subject.

A subject further more of a shit house who is responsible for a collectivising ideology that lead to the death of millions globally.

Cope more brainlets.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:48:50 2021 No.18746557
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>>18746245
Peterson spends 99% of his time talking about other things, only cultists and deranged leftists fixate on him because he dared to point out how dumb they are as minor corollary of some of his lecturing.
You can't really deny you're one of these creatures when you're in this thread fixating on Peterson for imagined attacks on an ideology you don't care about. You fool no-one, except maybe yourself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:49:47 2021 No.18746571 >>18746557 >Peterson spends 99% of his time talking about other things Don't ruin the fun you'll scare the clowns away.

Fat Bitch Thu Jul 29 20:52:02 2021 No.18746582
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>>18746522
I reiterate my point. Do you have one yourself? He looked more like he's 80 than 60. Maybe 90. Hopefully his health has improved since I saw that, but damn.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:52:04 2021 No.18746583 >>18746556 I still don't understand why claiming that you should have a solid comprehension of the topic you make a living talking about would even be controversial lmao

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:54:00 2021 No.18746596
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>>18746556
>trying to narrow and concentrate the logic of the argument at hand
>when the commie in question ostensibly and repeatedly declares they have zero respect for logic and are just here to shout charged rhetoric
well good luck I guess
I'm sure this will be a good use of your time and totally unlike almost every single online discussion with so called communists

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:54:36 2021 No.18746602 >>18746583 What is a solid comprehension of a topic? If someone said, for example, they would like to fuck kids. Then proceeded to write books and books convoluting and justifying that position. Would it then be unreasonable to call them a nonce?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:55:25 2021 No.18746609 >>18746582 >Do you have one yourself? Yea, people die of old age. Just like your parents will in the coming years. I'm bullying you for thinking that's a relevant argument to this thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:56:01 2021 No.18746612 >>18746429 I agree with that, but I fail to see how that's communist. I understand you're over 30 years of age and American, but you should still try to educate yourself in spite of these handicaps.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:56:13 2021 No.18746614 >>18746609 Edgy

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:57:26 2021 No.18746621 >>18746602 the fact you think this is even somewhat analogous to what we are talking about makes me worried

>>	Fat Bitch Thu Jul 29 20:57:38 2021 No.18746622 >>18746614 Why is it always the edgy ones that thing picking one line out of an entire post is Le Epic Pwn?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 20:59:39 2021 No.18746631 >>18746596 I honestly can't tell if you even comprehend the irony of posting a failed communist like Ted.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:01:30 2021 No.18746644 >>18746596 slavoj is literally banned from posting in mainstream journals so I'm not sure what point is meant to be made here about him

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:02:05 2021 No.18746650 >>18746621 How is it not? Why are you a pedo?

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:02:17 2021 No.18746654

>>18746622
There was nothing else you wrote on topic, do you want me to respond to your drivel about how you became spiritually enlightened because of your midlife crisis encounter? This is a thread about Peterson and his critique of marxism. Take your blog to >>>/adv/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:02:26 2021 No.18746655 >>18746650 >reddit spacing

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:03:28 2021 No.18746662 >>18746655 Never posted on reddit in my life.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:04:43 2021 No.18746674 >>18746655 I don't think he's a redditor, just an old person who isn't familiar with the internet or proper syntax

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:07:27 2021 No.18746685 >>18746612 >I fail to see how that's communist. I'm just going off the estimated number of deaths due to communism.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:07:52 2021 No.18746689 >>18746674 I'm 26, posted on 4chan since i was 13.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:09:45 2021 No.18746696 >fags begin to talk about text spacing

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:10:56 2021 No.18746701

>>18746245
It's actually the opposite. I'm left wing on economic issues but agree with Peterson on many points (feminization of modern culture, need for positive role models for young men, female hypergamy and 80/20 rule are real) and outside of 4chan that's the easiest way to be framed as a white supremacist and fascist

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:11:54 2021 No.18746710 >>18746689 >has been posting on 4chan for 13 years >has been posting on 4chan across the most critical stages of his formative development that's even worse, why would you admit that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:13:14 2021 No.18746723 >>18746710 Why would i be dishonest?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:13:37 2021 No.18746725 >>18746710 why would you bother lying while debating on an anonymous imageboard?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:13:56 2021 No.18746730 >>18746723 idk why do you reddit space

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:15:15 2021 No.18746743 >>18746730 Helps me easier discern what i'm shit posting, I don't even know what a reddit space is. Do you have an answer as to why you're a nonce yet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:15:43 2021 No.18746748 >>18746743 Go back

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:15:48 2021 No.18746750 >>18746725 >>18746723 I criticized you for oversharing, not being dishonest.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:16:44 2021 No.18746755 >>18746748 retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:20:04 2021 No.18746779 >>18746685 I'm not sure how that's supposed to translate, but ok lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:20:54 2021 No.18746787 >>18746750 "oversharing" is a bullshit workaround for dishonest people. If I shagged a slag behind my girlfriends back and didn't tell her, would I not be dishonest?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:21:34 2021 No.18746791 >>18746779 >lowered birth rates due to communism Antinatalism >Starvation, and mass murder Death >You Cult

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:23:50 2021 No.18746810 >>18746644 Well then you must be really stupid because this thread is about one of his so called 'debates' and he's mentioned about 50 times as such

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:25:08 2021 No.18746817 >>18746787 what a stupid comparison lmao the expectation in a relationship is that you're faithful whereas there is no expectation in a 4chan discussion to tell me how long you've been browsing 4chan

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:25:15 2021 No.18746820 >>18746787 > I love how you're just handing his ass to him purely by writing literally nothing. It's so simple and effective.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:26:38 2021 No.18746827

>>18746631
Kaczynski was never a communist. what's that make, lie #1203912038123 to try and garner sympathy for your joke ideology? You know a person has zero self respect when they're willing to pretend to be affiliated somehow with the unabomber as some kind of "in" with autistics on the internet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:28:07 2021 No.18746836 >>18746810 so the pic of slavoj besides ted k and beneath a ted k quote absconding academics for being over socialized and system lackeys is completely unrelated? ok but you should have said so lmao >>18746791 amerisharts, everyone.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:30:00 2021 No.18746851

>>18746820

Why overwrite and convolute? The efficiency of English and Englishness is in its nakedness.

Save the biggest words for the biggest thinkers.

>>18746817

The expectation in conversation is that you share information.

Have you an explanation as to why you're a pedo though?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:30:27 2021 No.18746855 >>18740540 unironically

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:33:12 2021 No.18746870 >>18746851 >The expectation in conversation is that you share information. fucking lmao you must be baiting

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:35:09 2021 No.18746881 >>18746870 If not why converse?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:39:32 2021 No.18746911 >>18746870 >>18746881 You both should get married

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:41:16 2021 No.18746924 >>18746911 He only wants to marry younguns.

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:43:11 2021 No.18746934

>>18746881
if you seriously don't see how ridiculous it is to claim that your unprompted divulging of browsing history is reasonable on the grounds that "The expectation in conversation is that you share information" then you need to learn what a conversation is and further, what "oversharing" means >>18746750

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:44:57 2021 No.18746946 >>18746743 >redditor complaining about pedophiles please go back

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:46:05 2021 No.18746953

>>18746810
I must be stupid because I wonder what point is of the pic of ted k and slavoj beneath a ted k quote admonishing academics for being oversocialized and system lackeys? maybe you should have specified that pic rel was unrelated garbage if you didnt want to cause confusion
>>18746791
amerisharts, everyone.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:46:31 2021 No.18746955 >>18746934 "what "oversharing" means", that's not a definition. Also can you define a conversation, and how does this relate to you being an unintellectual communist who wants to fuck kids?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:47:56 2021 No.18746963 >>18746946 Hear this lads, you're all paedophiles.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:48:00 2021 No.18746964 The works of Marx are only useful to show how retarded he was.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:48:24 2021 No.18746968 >>18746963 welcome to 4chan anon

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:56:44 2021 No.18747027 >>18740548 great bait bro. That was top kek

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 21:56:45 2021 No.18747028

>>18746955
not a definition of what? i told you to learn the definition. kek am i witnessing american education right now?
>Also can you define a conversation, and how does this relate to you being an unintellectual communist who wants to fuck kids?
i suppose you're just saying random shit now because you're tired and retarded

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 22:03:35 2021 No.18747066

>>18747028

You still haven't made a distinction between being dishonest and oversharing whereas I have.

>what a stupid comparison lmao

Again can you define what conversation is or are you just trying to dodge the fact that you can't provide grounds that you aren't just another pedo lefty?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 22:07:37 2021 No.18747090 >>18747066 today i woke up and masturbated to a kendra lust video

Anonymous Thu Jul 29 22:12:07 2021 No.18747116

>>18747090

Alright i'll concede on you being a nonce, regardless of whatever Oedipus complex you're nurturing for mummy state to give hand outs.

But please understand revolution is born in division and that "like Saturn, the Revolution devours its children"

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 29 22:15:55 2021 No.18747146 >>18747116 ever since the turbot street project which I knocked out of the park, scott has been rather distant and standoffish. I think he is jealous of me. perhaps he admires me? Is he having impure thoughts about me?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 00:21:16 2021 No.18747678 >>18741096 > by a literal drawing Wittgenstein was not a philosopher.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 00:36:06 2021 No.18747729 >>18747678 He's talking about Max Stirner you fucking retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 00:37:13 2021 No.18747731 >>18746391 I could almost hear you tipping the fedora after reading the pseud "oh me" lifestory in your post. Cringy motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 00:38:06 2021 No.18747736 Jordan peterson is the true postmodernist

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 00:53:36 2021 No.18747768 >>18747729 They're more retarded than I thought then.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 02:21:52 2021 No.18748114 File: 280 KB, 504x640, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18740530 >marx >current year

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 02:35:15 2021 No.18748159 >>18742795 zizek debate

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 02:39:07 2021 No.18748169 >>18740540 lmao not a chance

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 02:40:24 2021 No.18748172 >>18740540 Unironically this. t. a severely retarded lobster

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 02:41:30 2021 No.18748178 >>18742795 >still have yet to see any evidence that peterson never read marx then you're the only person on the planet in that situation

Anonymous Fri Jul 30 03:14:06 2021 No.18748280

>>18747768
How? Max Stirner claimed in the Unique and Its Property that communism would result in horrific dictatorship, and that communism would ultimately be a sham. He was right - and he wrote this before Marx even wrote the Manifesto. Stirner claimed the world would be moving towards nihilistic consumerism, not communism, and he was right also. You see, Stirner's predictions turned out to be correct. None of Marxs were though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 03:16:24 2021 No.18748288 >>18748280 >None of Marxs were though. I'm as libertarian as they come and i know that's just not true.

Anonymous Fri Jul 30 03:33:46 2021 No.18748353

>>18748288
Like what? What was Marx correct about? Marx, the idiot, though the United States would collapse if slavery was abolished. Marx, the idiot, actually thought that communism was possible in Russia due to the existence of the Russian Mir - communes (they weren't even communistic in the slightest). Marx's prediction about communism being more likely capitalist countries - also extremely wrong. Labor theory of value? Completely wrong and rejected. Planned economy? Rejected by the complete collapse of the Warsaw Pact. There was not a single thing Marx got right.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 04:04:04 2021 No.18748440 >>18740530 >>Makes a career out of criticising Marx no

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 04:17:57 2021 No.18748464 >>18740606 >as any biologist knows what's wrong about JBP's idea of hierarchies?

Anonymous Fri Jul 30 06:46:17 2021 No.18748865

>>18742366
>Marx thought one didn't need to interpret the world
Heidegger simply lies. Marx says only interpreting is not enough, we need both interpretation AND change, theory AND praxis. this of course is why universities have become a clown parliament, but that's another story.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 07:13:06 2021 No.18748946 >>18740549 He's clearly a sniffer, so... probably?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 07:58:55 2021 No.18749059 >>18748865 >Heidegger simply lies. Heidegger simply quotes the book.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 09:25:20 2021 No.18749356 >>18749059 yes, before misrepresenting it. It's clear in translation, and it's absolutely crystal clear in German.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 11:50:17 2021 No.18750071 >>18740530 I don't need to read Marx to criticize him. I've seen many videos on the internet, i know that it is a jewish conspiracy. No need to read this Kabbalistic crap.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 11:54:27 2021 No.18750095 >starting a thread by lying >admits to lying Nothing personal

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 11:55:21 2021 No.18750102 >>18740540 Based and truepilled Imagine unironically thinking neohegelianism is anything but inane bullshit

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 12:30:37 2021 No.18750349 >makes career out of criticizing glue sniffers >never sniffs glue

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 12:31:42 2021 No.18750356 WE ARE GOING TO FORCE THE GOVERNMENT TO LET US HUNT COMMIE SCUMBAGS AT WILL IF YOU ARE A COMMIE YOU ARE NOT A LEGAL PERSON IF YOU ARE A COMMIE YOU HAVE NO SOUL AND GOD HAS NO AUTHORITY TO ASSERT OTHERWISE

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 12:33:10 2021 No.18750365 IF GOD PROTECTS A COMMIE, THEN WE MURDER 100 JEWS GOD HUNTS COMMIES GOD ONLY HUNTS COMMIES IF GOD STOPS HUNTING COMMIES, THEN WE KILL JEWS UNTIL GOD STARTS HUNTING COMMIES AGAIN!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 12:34:26 2021 No.18750380 WHEN GOD CATCHES A COMMIE, HE PERFORMS GENE EXPERIMENTS ON IT UNTIL IT TURNS INTO A NON-COMMIE OR ANTI-COMMIE

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 12:35:32 2021 No.18750390 WE WILL PERFORM BIOLOGICAL GENETIC EXPERIMENTS ON COMMUNISTS WITH COVID AND mRNA PRION DISEASES UNTIL THE COMMUNISTS GROW UP!!!!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 13:46:55 2021 No.18750861 >>18740530 I refuse to believe this is true

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 13:48:26 2021 No.18750870 >>18740606 His book is made to appeal to the general public. Obviously that's not his real writing style. Read some of his publications on google scholar.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 13:51:11 2021 No.18750879 >>18750861 he only read the manifesto, nothing more. watch zizek vs. JBP.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 13:51:38 2021 No.18750881 >>18750879 oh lmao. yeah that's far from enough

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 13:53:29 2021 No.18750899 File: 564 KB, 800x430, laughgif.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18750879 >I've read as much Marx as Peterson

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 13:55:36 2021 No.18750916 >>18750870 >Obviously that's not his real writing style. It is though. Maps of Meaning is just as poorly written, and he's not the first author on any of those high-reach academic articles, so it's unclear what contribution he made.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 14:31:07 2021 No.18751128 >>18750916 Maps of meaning is a masterpiece. It will still be talked about 5000 years from now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 14:32:29 2021 No.18751142 >>18751128 It's really not.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 14:33:21 2021 No.18751157 >>18751142 It's already a classic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 14:43:33 2021 No.18751220 >>18751157 It's not.

Anonymous Fri Jul 30 15:04:06 2021 No.18751340

>>18746602
>call them a nonce
in your analogy, Peterson doesn't just call Marx a name. He builds his career on a claim to a deep understanding of the 'nonces' work and how it has reappeared in different forms, while only having read the pamphlet
at this point Ill just assume you're trolling

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 17:23:52 2021 No.18752186 >>18747066 >he doesn't know the difference between oversharing and dishonesty anon was right, spending your formative (and best lmao) years on this site has done a number on your brain lad

>>	Anonymous Fri Jul 30 19:59:06 2021 No.18753007 >>18751220 Yes it is. I would say it's better than Schopenhauer, but not as good as Kant.

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