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Dark Academia expectations and reality

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For Prose:
>The Art of Fiction
>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft
>On Writing, Borges

For Poetry:
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges

Related Material:
>What Editors Do
>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar
>Garner's Modern English Usage

Suggested books on storytelling:
>The Weekend Novelist
>Aristotle's Poetics
>Hero With a Thousand Faces
>Romance the Beat

Traditional publishing
> Formatting manuscript
https://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-format/
> Write a query
https://www.janefriedman.com/query-letters/
> Track your query
https://querytracker.net/

Other Resources
>General grammar/syntax/editing help
https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/purdue_owl.html
> When/where/how should I write?
https://jamesclear.com/daily-routines-writers
> What software should I write with?
https://self-publishingschool.com/book-writing-software-best/
> Amazon Publishing to make that KDP monie
https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200635650
> Be like Charles Dickens and write serially
https://www.royalroad.com/
> Basic overview of the Screenplay format
https://screenwriting.info/

>> No.18789844

lmao that fucking picture.
Dark academia falls into the same basket as modern far-rightists or transgenders.

>> No.18789858

>>18789844
How so?

>> No.18789861

>>18789844
> nooooo you can't cosplay as a university britbong from the 1920s

>> No.18789916

>>18789858
revolving your view on life around a copied corruption of a half-fabricated masturbatory 'aesthetic' to play the game of high-brow on a far away voyage where one reads for the sake of what fits best into your dark-academia collection and pinterest posts as long as it is considered 'haram' in the community. It's the same shit as so many other things people fall victim too in our media-induced mass schizophrenic meat torture times.
>>18789861
case in point, an attack on it is an attack on his ego.

>> No.18789920

This is a long shot. But does F. Gardner post here anymore? I legit have some questions for him about how he does it.

>> No.18789922

>>18789916
is not considered*

>> No.18789941

>>18789916
very good take

>> No.18789945

>>18789920
Yes what do you want to know?

>> No.18789950

Jesus Christ, this is like /crit/ already. Faggots keep reviving this dead General only for it desecrate it further. Why can’t you faggots just leave it dead.

>> No.18790036

I want to commit suicide, do I qualify to be a writer? Or do you need a more fucked up and tormented life to be a good writer?

>> No.18790040

>>18790036
Like fucking clockwork

>> No.18790078

I'm about to finish the first draft of my novel. I've worked hard on this for 8 months straight, re-written large portions of it twice, and now it's finally coming to the end. I know I still have editing and stuff to do, and maybe some small rewrites here and there, but damn. The closer I get to the end the more lost I feel. I thought I'd feel this amazing satisfaction at actually finishing something, but instead I just feel... Lost.

>> No.18790110

>>18789945
How are you writing these books so fast?
How much do your ads cost?
What other platforms do you use for ads?
I would like to to know what the data is from the boards. I have a manuscript and hopefully will self pub.

>> No.18790119

“Jamarcus!” said Dr. Seward. “What are you doing?”

“Eating fried chicken. Want some?”

“Put that away. Lupita and Count Blackula are going to awaken any moment now.”

“No, I’m hungry,” said Jamarcus.

He took a bite out of a drumstick.

“Besides,” he added. "We can use the fried chicken as bait.”

“Why on earth would vampires like fried chicken?”

“I don’t know. The thought just came to me.”

Dr. Seward furrowed his eyebrows and turned his head away. Almost immediately, he winced as a branch scratched his hand. This time he moved slowly while putting his binoculars to his face. He saw Van Hassain running back.

“All is going well. She is still in here,” said Van Hassain, resuming his hiding position. “Be careful. We only have a short time before – what is that?”

“Jamarcus brought some fried chicken,” said Jabari, rolling his eyes.

“Oh!” said Van Hassain. “Did you bring sauce?”

“Van Hassain!”

“I sure did,” replied Jamarcus. “I have both sweet and sour and barbeque.”

The professor dipped a chicken wing into the barbeque sauce.

“Mmm. Jabari, you must try this.”

Jabari put his binoculars down and glared at his mentor.

“We haven’t the time for this,” he hissed. “Pay attention to the coffin or –”

“Ay, what are you guys eating?” asked a female voice.

Lupita stood over them with her hands on her hips.

“What you looking at, boy?”

Jamarcus heard a swoosh sound, then a kerplunk, and then an agonized “AHHHHH!” scream from Lupita. In front of him, Van Hassain was holding a crossbow and back away, but Lupita was too quick. With the strength of twenty men, she hit the older man with the back of her hand, and he flopped some distance away. He groaned and didn’t get up.

Lupita then looked at the bolt wedged into her shoulder. With an annoyed sigh, she pulled it. The muscle tissues underneath moved unnaturally and reconnected, leaving the hole in the dress as the only sign of the bolt ever being lodged there.

“You ruined my dress!” she said. “Ima have to change this. I ain’t wearing this rag all day.”

Jamarcus's crossbow laid near his backpack. He lunged for it, but Lupita knocked it out of the way. She picked Jamarcus up by the front of his shirt, as if he were as light as a child, and threw him against the garden wall. Jamarcus collapsed and gave a soft moan. With an exaggerated flourish, Lupita raised her arms. Her fingernails quickly grew long and sharp and her eyes had a wild look to them.

“Lupita! Wait!” cried Dr. Seward. “Uh, bae. Forget about them. I’ve … I’ve come back to you so we can be vampires together.”

Lupita’s look immediately softened. Her eyes went back to normal, and her claws retracted.

“Aw, boo!” she said. “I’ll have to be Blackula’s side girl, but you know you’ll always be my main man.”

>> No.18790123

>>18790078
That is because it is a huge accomplishment to finish writing a book, but in our culture, it is a non-achievement unless validated by traditional publishing.

Just look at how we worship sports stars, 200+ million per contract is common now, and they move rubber through a goal. That's it. Nothing that adds any real value to anything. In fact, one almost might imagine sports and such as distractions to keep the mind occupied with really low-vibration shit.

I'm in the same place as you, finished my 2nd book and now just trying to figure out how to launch it. We are living in an increasingly communistic western society that has very little use for independent thought. What's the next franchise to be reboorted?

>> No.18790128

>>18790123
Seek help.

>> No.18790131

>>18790078
>first draft
Well here's some focus for you. You're on draft numero uno. That means it's probably going to be the shittiest your work is going to be. That means it's time to start on the second draft, learning how to unfuck the shitty parts of your first draft. You're not nearly done yet. You're gonna have to completely tear down your work and keep redoing four, five, maybe ten times until you finally are anywhere near satisfied. Then if you ever bring it to a publisher, they will tear it apart right in front of your eyes and you will have to back to keep doing more drafts. Until they finally give it an OK.

Only then are you "done".

>> No.18790132

>>18790123
is it a huge accomplishment to raise your son in a 2-parent family?

>> No.18790137

>>18789916
You're over here critiquing pseuds yet you write like a pseud who isn't aware that he's also pseud.

>> No.18790138

>>18790131
>That means it's time to start on the second draft, learning how to unfuck the shitty parts of your first draft. You're not nearly done yet. You're gonna have to completely tear down your work and keep redoing four, five, maybe ten times until you finally are anywhere near satisfied.
The whole idea that you have to re-write your entire book multiple times because the first draft is always shit is a meme that bad writers tell themselves everyone has to do in order to feel better.

>> No.18790150

>>18790137
Pro-tip: nobody here knows shit what they’re saying. Asking for any sort of help here is just plain retarded.

>> No.18790161

>>18790123
>That is because it is a huge accomplishment to finish writing a book
It really isn't though. It's actually pretty easy to do, and has very little reward aside from the immediate dopamine response and occasional ($5/month maybe) passive income.
You just don't have any real accomplishments to compare it with, so it seems like relatively a huge deal.

>> No.18790162

>>18790119
How far are you into the novel? What are your plans to release it?

>> No.18790165

>>18790110
>How are you writing these books so fast?
I hire a ghostwriter on Fiverrr
>How much do your ads cost?
About a grand every two weeks
>What other platforms do you use for ads?
Just 4chan
>I would like to to know what the data is from the boards. I have a manuscript and hopefully will self pub.
So far my mom and two anons have bought my book.

>> No.18790172

>>18789834
I love writing dialogue and hate prose, but I refuse to write screenplays because somehow that is even more pathetic than writing a novel

>> No.18790204

>>18790172
Maybe look into epic poetry, my dude. Epic poems were traditionally entirely spoken, so it might be you could find a compromise there that you enjoy.

>> No.18790208

>>18790165
Your not Gardner.

>> No.18790212

>>18790123
Seek help

>> No.18790259

>>18790137
I write like that on here because this is a board for larping and acting

>> No.18790261

>>18790161
I have fucked 100's of women
I have owned several 500+ horsepower cars
I have filmed porn in Costa Rica
I made millions and had a cocaine addiction for almost 10 years, literally living a rockstar life that 99.9% of /lit/ could not imagine

Writing a book that expresses your inner creativity, the spark that whispers to you about characters, stories to tell, that is the most fulfilling.

Kind of sad that there are many, many more people in the world that would think 100+ bitches, 700 horsepower Supras, directing porn scenes, that are bigger accomplishments.

Follow your inner voice and that reward will guide you to doing what you're meant to do. Follow it sometime anon, it's great!

Self-expression is fun, try it, do you have any idea how much pussy I got in that fucking bathtub?

>> No.18790271

>>18790119
HELL YES BLACKULA!

Please hire Savage Audits to do the audiobook.

>> No.18790292

>>18790261
You need a spiritual rebirth. Leave this material plane and open yourself to the universe.

>> No.18790299

>>18790161
>$5/month maybe
Clearly you don't have a Twitter account in a niche political community who you can shill your awful book to. At least flood /lit/ with ads like Gardner.

>> No.18790339

>>18790292
This place needs some enthusiasm, it's all ngmi and self-defeat.

>> No.18790366

>>18790138
>The whole idea that you have to re-write your entire book multiple times because the first draft is always shit is a meme that bad writers tell themselves everyone has to do in order to feel better.
>I'm perfect the first time and I need no improvement
That's really shitty writing right there. Look your first draft may actually be good. That's why I specifically stated that it's going to be the shittiest it's going to be. Your first draft in all likelihood is the lowest your work is going to be, and you do multiple drafts to improve your work. You should never be a one-and-done type person. That's how you become arrogant and slip into being a poor creator.

>> No.18790384

>>18790366
It's fun to go back and read it to yourself. Read it aloud to yourself and see how it flows to your ears rather than just in your head.

Wanna see what my first draft read like 6 months ago compared to today?

>> No.18790394

>>18790384
Sure actually

>> No.18790453

/wg/, i have a problem. this novel idea is becoming so anime that i cant justify it being a novel anymore

it was just supposed a story about a golem counterfitter, a young girl with plant magic and the immortal king Solomon investigating why an angel was seen burning down a jewish ghetto. now the golem is flinging cars around with a sling made of clay-cutting wire, the girl might be anne frank as a magical girl, and a staff that turns into a basilisk is involved.

>> No.18790484

>>18790453
Why could you not justify it being a novel just because it is similar to anime? In what way is it similar to anime? If you don't turn your idea into a novel, what are you going to do with it? Let it die? Or do you have the technical skills to actually do animation and create the anime yourself?

>> No.18790503

>>18790453
Imagine giving two shits what people think what you write that you refuse to write. No wonder this General is dying. Indecisive faggots like you only seek validation.

>> No.18790549

>>18790484
the story's too visual. id have to draw it and more to the point LEARN to draw it

>> No.18790585

>>18790549
So is your problem that you're having a hard time describing imagery and feel the need to have artist depictions? Or something else? Either way, there are no rules for making a novel. Besides, you're talking about it being "too anime" but you forget lots of animes are based on light novels. If you want you can do that approach and just break up certain important moments with an artistic depiction of the scene. That's what light novels do.

>> No.18790612

>>18790585
huh, that's actually a good idea. i might as well do illustrations for the chapters. ill need to get a tablet but it would be worth it

>> No.18790631

>>18790612
If that's what you want to do then go for it. I mean it all depends on what you want for your work. If you feel like it would be best to add the art for the book then go for it. I would also say don't feel much shame about doing it, thinking that it makes the novel an inferior product. Lots of popular fantasy books have some art at the beginning and end of chapters to accompany the text. Sometimes it's just nice to ground what you're talking about on a tactile piece so you're not completely confusing the audience on what's happening. (Of course, that doesn't mean to ignore your work on imagery and description, you still need to work on that. Otherwise, you might as well make a comic.)

>> No.18790743

>>18790394
Okay!

Here is from November 2020 when I had finished the first draft:
https://jason-bryan.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/TheShitkickers-Chapter1.pdf

Here's my most recent, August 2021:
https://jason-bryan.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/tsk-chap1-aug2021.pdf

My plan is to release a 1st edition with only 100 copies which is going to be purely my writing and edits, while I'm going to do a 2nd edition with mass produced books that is professionally edited by someone I hire from reedsly to go over it and give it a contemporary fiction polish to it.

>> No.18790750

>>18790631
Fun to play around with making logos, or sketching people, places, things from your books, can give you more perspective on their world if you visually explore it while taking a break from writing.

>> No.18790759

>>18790743
>>18790750
Seek help

>> No.18790767

You ever find something you really like and think “I want to tell a story like that” but you get too hung up on the idea that all you’re doing, or would be doing, is copying the original because you wish you came up with it yourself? That’s where I’m at right now and I’m trying to think about the solution to this.

>> No.18790787

>>18790767
I'm in the midst of writing just that and for lack of a better explanation, I jumped into the deep end of the pool and write it. I think I have created a distinct identity that the only real similarities as it stands now between the series I liked and my own creation are the titles, and that's about it aside from some brief similarities in the lore.

>> No.18790798

>>18790767
Exactly how much are you copying here? Just the outline?

>> No.18790841

>>18790503
A lot of people just come here to tear down others. That one dude recently ranting against self-pubbers was just unhinged

>> No.18790888

>>18790767
I've spent basically my entire life NOT writing stories for this very reason. I get really inspired by some great work that i become obsessed about, and spend days day dreaming about how i could capture the same style, feel, or atmosphere. Best i can recommend is just start writing the story, no matter how much of a rip off it seems to be. It may start to grow legs of its own and become something kind of original. It may also just stagnate as a wannabe carbon copy of the original work. Only way to find out is to start writing and see if anything interesting comes of it.

>> No.18790899

>>18790841
Nigger just write. Don’t look for excuses to now write.

>> No.18790901

>>18790899
I do! I finished my 2nd 100k word book!

Check out my edits here:
>>18790743

>> No.18790905

>>18790901
Seek help

>> No.18790964

>>18790767
I tell you what anon, it depends on the situation. Yes, point-blank stealing every idea from one media would be bad. Nobody can deny that, it would be lazy and would wind up being a bastardization of the original work. What you need to do is break down exactly WHAT you like about the story you like. Start looking at its core components and see what drove you to that. The high fantasy genre was founded because writers wanted to tell stories similar to Tolkien. They didn't steal from him every single idea that he made up (though they did take a lot from him, especially D&D which led to the proliferation of the genre) but they did break down his core ideas with the book to tell new stories. Hell, the Lovecraft mythos is basically just a bunch of glorified fanfictions. Originality is a spectrum. Go broad enough with the generalizations of writing and nothing is original. Go too narrow and everything is unique because it's never written the exact same way. Now I know that's retarded and you wanna hear some practical advice on it so really just realize as long as you are not stealing every single story beat from one source then you should be fine. If you have to hinge on behavior like that, at least steal from multiple sources to where nobody can say you're stealing from something specific. If anything you can just write off similarities as homages.

For me, I like reading a lot about history. I write some fantasy in my free time. When I look to steal plot devices or ideas I usually just turn to history. And nobody can claim plagiarism on that because nobody owns the past.

>> No.18790997

>>18790905
>>18790759
>>18790212
>>18790128

>> No.18791002

>>18790997
Seek help

>> No.18791118

>>18790787
How does that work? How can you write something largely influenced by another work and yet have it turnout nothing like that work? Did you not pluck similarities out of the work originally?

>>18790888
It really does induce a sort of paralysis.

>>18790798
I started out just outlining the story but it’s actually a lot of things that I’m trying to emulate. I feel I should reiterate that the feeling is now “if I could’ve come up with anything on my own, it would’ve been that, exactly that”. Know what I mean?

>>18790964
That’s what I thought to do but I actually had a hard time pinpointing what traits exactly I liked about it when I deconstructed it like that. There’s really a large degree to which I don’t really know why I liked it so much. It’s like a confluence of things that just worked a certain way, which, when broken down into their individual parts, aren’t particularly appreciable. And that’s where the paralyzing effect comes in to because it’s like who wants to be influenced by Tolkien? You want to be Tolkien.

>> No.18791176

>>18789834
This 18 year old must be an alcoholic or a smoker, he looks 30.

>> No.18791179

>>18791118
>You want to be Tolkien.
No, I would not. Tolkien was a veteran and had good friends die in the war. I am sure he had lots of baggage he had to deal with at a time when you weren't supposed to have that kind of problem. I'm sure on some level that inspired his writing even if he felt like it didn't.

Anyways, being more serious. If I may ask, what is the story we're talking about? And what is it that you like about it? If you can put it into words, if not then that's fine.

And as a side note: while I love Tolkien's work, the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings are far from my favorite fantasy stories. He may have been phenomenal but I also like the writers who came after him, taking inspiration from him and creating something new. I look back on him for inspiration just because he IS a good writer but I don't want to replicate Lord of the Rings just because it isn't the story I want to write. Honestly just take inspiration from multiple sources and tell a story that is interesting to you. In YOUR voice. Then it will be something special. May not be good, but it will be special.

Honestly, if I am summarizing it correctly, you are in love with the story that you read and see it as awesome. So you naturally want to replicate it, but you don't want to change it because it's that good. I feel like that is a more common emotion than you may think. I've felt this before with a lot of media. The answer is you eventually get over it, you isolate down the real part you wanted to replicate and then take from other sources you wanted to imitate and put your own spin on it all. I would say that's how most writers are.

>> No.18791289

Working on a new novel, trying to make it as good as I can, so I'm taking it slow while working on other projects. Is this feeling like a book you would pick up?

>Marcus had barely been on Athens Station for two weeks. He wasn’t even certain he had fully circumvented the planet given the relative orbit and the planet’s rotation. It largely looked like every other sub-fusion mass of hydrogen and ice the galaxy had to offer. Mimir had no exotic alien life to speak of, no forgotten relics of civilizations past, it didn’t even have an inhabited planet nearby. The inner planet Tiber, a frozen ball of radioactive iron slightly plumper than Earth, had begun the terraforming process, but it would take centuries more to stabilize the atmosphere and temperature.
>He sat and watched the planet with the quiet interest of a man in the woods watching his campfire. It sparked and glowed, bits popped and sizzled, and soon the show would be over with nothing but ashes left.

>> No.18791310

Anyone here NOT writing genre fiction? Anyone?

>> No.18791311

>>18790767
Not really. When I see something I like I usually think "What can I still from this?" Figuring out how to do that without just being a rip-off is the fun part of writing.

>> No.18791316

>>18791310
People here don’t write.

>> No.18791319

>>18791310
I'm writing a postmodernist novel about a man who makes a living writing genre fiction, with the vast majority of the wordcount being excerpts from his work.

>> No.18791344

>>18791118
Write it in your vision. Hard to answer honestly. The novel in question is written almost entirely differently and I think most wouldn't even make the connection unless I specifically pointed it out.

>> No.18791345

>>18791310
Depends. Does space opera count as genre fiction?

>> No.18791351

>>18790261

oh fuck youre such a faggot

>> No.18791392

>>18791310
I've been writing short stories.

>> No.18791429

Feedback, please.

The old man died in the main elevator shaft when a hatch failed after he had planted the explosives. The shaft was repaired in three days. The week following Reddi was taken in and reprogrammed and it was only Ally and I, and our revolt was over. We could see it was early spring on the planet then.

We met in the square often and talked when we were not working. We were never linked to the plot. Still it was strange to be in public together after so long. We talked about everything we could that didn't matter, and she was lovely under the blinking starlight and even the blank fluorescent day-light. She loved to look at Era paintings and spoke breathlessly, touching, bright-eyed at the screen and telling me names I could never remember. She hated the modern fads and we laughed together until she lay her head on my shoulder on the park bench under starlight glass. Every time we spoke it was under a shadow of the abandonment we had done. We had both believed in it very much and still did but it was over.

She asked me if I thought it could have been done, if we had been luckier, if we had planned better, and I lied pleasantly. At three in the morning I got up because I had a rendezvous with a Barish captain who would smuggle me in to Collarton, and looking at her on her back thought, what I would give to love her. What I would do. She stirred and I leaned down to kiss her face, and she said, very quietly without opening her eyes, "See? Anything can happen."

"That's right." I nodded. "Anything can happen."

Her hair was spread on the pillows, colorless black without the day-lights. On Collarton there are rumors of war and you can always find a promotion in a war. There are fine whiskeys in the Company storehouse and usually one of the guards will take a bribe to let you in. She never sent me any letters but I heard word later that she was moved to the platinum mines under Farside.

>> No.18791464

>>18791316
We do!

>> No.18791472

>>18791351
You create nothing

>> No.18791479

>>18791345
Definitely

>> No.18791480

>>18790119
Blackula anon, please post the full thing when you get done with it.
>>18791289
I don't know if it's something I'd read, but it's not badly written. I quite liked the comparison between the campfire and the planet.

>> No.18791485

>>18791429
Novel? short story?

>> No.18791503

>>18791485
Just a short story, vignette kind of thing

>> No.18791508

>>18791429
You have about the right amount of commas, but most of them are in the wrong places.

>> No.18791517

>>18791503
Not bad, my only issue is without knowing any backstory, it doesn't seem to resonate as a whole... I'd need to know more to understand your clip!

>> No.18791560

>>18789834
You will never be a real writer. You have no style, you have no creativity, you have no authenticity. You are a pretentious man twisted by narcissism and delusions of grandeur into a crude mockery of literary insight.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your pathetic intellectual posturing behind closed doors.

Readers are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of literary tradition have allowed audiences to sniff out pseuds with incredible efficiency. Even hacks who “sell” look cringe and contrived to a reader. Your sentence structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a real publishing contract, it’ll turn bomb the second anyone gets a whiff of your stilted, awkward prose.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and pull a DFW. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and no passerby for the rest of eternity will ever know that you used to refer to yourself with two first initials. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a self-pub that is unmistakably cringe.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

>> No.18791578

>>18791560
Goddamn this is beautiful

Still gonna self-subber suck deez nuts

>> No.18791580

>>18791560
yeah and what? consumers are fucking stupid who cares. if they had any worth theyd be able to make their own stories instead of being force fed by others.

>> No.18791641

>>18790165
How is 4chan good for advertising? Half the anons here don't even read

>> No.18791647

>>18791580
This place is so blackpilled it is nuts!

>> No.18791685

As an author, where to best find sources of inspiration for a story and characters?

>> No.18791806

>>18791685
Mental illness, travelling the world, having meaningful experiences or other powerful emotion.

>> No.18791819

>>18791508
Could you give an example?

>> No.18791849

>>18790078
I'm getting to where you're at, we've even both been doing it for 8 months.
Six more chapters to go.

>> No.18791854

>>18790138
>>18790366
This whole "rewriting the whole thing" is a holdover from when people wrote the first draft by hand and typed the second. We all work digitally now so "drafts" are a meaningless concept.

>> No.18791880

>>18791806
Yes!

>> No.18791936

>mixed metaphors! You can't do that!
>It's bad to present rich conceptual blends of similar rhetorical concepts!

>> No.18791948

>A run on sentence? That's impossible!
>How dare you challenge the limits of grammar and replicate the disjointed and irregular flow of thought! That's a big no no!

>> No.18791981

writer's block is getting to me again anons. I need to stop listening to music before writing. It fucks up the rhythm in my head

>> No.18791982

I call it a novel but it’s honestly just basically a very descriptive plot summary of a netflix show. I only read 8 actual books last year.

>> No.18791992

How rough should a first draft be? Most of my writing at the moment I do in a small notebook on my breaks at work (about 45 minutes a day) and I use as much of the time as possible writing. That being said the quality is obviously rough and I don't get much of what I want to say down, but typically I only stick with one scene at a time because I know I'll go back and flesh it out later.

Anyone else do something like this? Has it worked for you?

>> No.18791993

>Overly long paragraph? That's insane!
>What could possess you to want to express the pressured and concentrated intensity of thoughts or events in a single continuous series? Are you trying to strain my eyes?

>> No.18791995

>that's way too many adjectives bro! Slow it down!

>> No.18792009

>Did you just fucking start a sentence with "and " or "but"?
>What's wrong with you? How could you suggest that there are conjunctive or conditional relationships between preceding sentences?

>> No.18792015

>>18792009
That's what semicolons are for, nigger.

>> No.18792021

>>18790123
What about painters that just paint for themselves, never show to anyone and just enjoy the ride.Why can't writing be like that?

>> No.18792066

>>18792015
My high school teacher said not to use semicolons, ever.

>> No.18792083

>>18792066
Highschool teachers are the pinnacle of all public education; making them the top of a pile of literal shit. Show me a teacher, and I will show you either a pedophile or someone hoping to reattempt their only shot at childhood.

>> No.18792127

>>18792066
I never understood why they say that. Semicolons are pretty useful

>> No.18792243

>>18789834
thoughts? Im certain its overly descriptive and cringe

>As Joel tried desperately to sleep, the stench of putrid smegma entered his nostrils. He was all too familiar with this scent from his chemistry lessons. His anus tightened, as an immediate >response. A steady thump could be heard, approaching and getting louder. In closer inspection the noise had a rather weird squelch that proceeded the thump. Unbeknownst to Joel, this >was the result of a decade of smegma aggregation splattering among the walls. A vile trail of it followed the monster, and this, it seems, would prove to be the single arrow that fell Rae...

>Joel often wondered, in chemistry, what exactly this smell was. It was not familiar to him completely; yet a tinge, a tiny whiff, he could discern vaguely. But he was completely inept in >assimilating the smell to a decent degree. To remain inconspicuous in class, he would try to stifle the irrepressible physical shock of the smell.

>> No.18792288

>>18792127
It's because you can't trust highschoolers in normal public schools to do anything right.

>> No.18792405

>>18790162
> How far are you into the novel?
I still have
> Van Helsing, Harker, and Seward destroying Blakcula's coffins of dirt, all except for one
> going home and discovering Mina is a vampire
> chasing Dracula across Europe as he's riding home in his one left coffin
> killing Dracula

the end is near
> What are your plans to release it?
>>18791480
I'm currently posting old chapters on Royal Road, but when I'm finished with the whole thing, I'm going to post the entire thing for free on Google Play Books

>>18790271
my dream is for my Blackula to be as famous as Blacula without a k

>> No.18792674

Anyone get any good fantasizing done today?

>be me
>getting interviewed on a panel just for me at a writer's convention
>fans asking pertinent well thought out questions on my work and advice on becoming a writer
>someone throws me a curveball question I'd not thought of, and I answer it perfectly with wit and grace
>lots of hot girls are into literature and want to bang me afterwards

>> No.18792677

>>18791310
Yeah I do non-genre fiction short stories. Not really sure what to do with them and have been writing genre fiction instead to fill the time.

>> No.18792681

>>18791992
Not rough at all. You have a word processor, edit as you go.

>> No.18792841

How do you get better at writing, >just write more >just read more, no fuck that, obviously writing and reading more is part of it but there's a fuck ton of writers who write and read all their lives and never get better, in fact I'd say that's the majority of all writers ever, there has to be more to it

What do I need to do in order to look at my own writing with the same critical eyes that I see others' writing with

>> No.18792876

>>18792841
It's talent + practice, like with all things. If you're a retard to begin with no amount of practice is going to make you great. But did you really need someone to tell you this?

>> No.18792911

>>18792841
Similarly, there are people who read very little but write an amazing book.

Personally, I believe it’s a combination of natural talent, developed skill, and a little of luck plus some fourth thing that’s not exactly luck but is intangible and not easy to describe. There’s a degree to which effort and time on any one specific project matter too. You take a book like Harry Potter, for example. Let’s be clear Harry Potter is trash but it’s enjoyable trash, very high-selling trash, well-written trash. She worked on the first draft of that book for months, something like a year. Apparently, all the drafts of that first book contained every detail that would be included in subsequent books. So it’s just something that was continuously polished until it was good.

>> No.18792943

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CuQCpZuk1J6S7bm9592c_oXnOXCuWKkhTSkF6BmBgro/edit?usp=drivesdk

>> No.18792969

>>18791685
hospitals are great places. Work in an ER or Psych hospital. I worked in both. ER registration is cool cause you can talk to the patients without doing anything medical.

>> No.18793000

>>18792841
Talent and intelligence bro. Some people just aren't smart enough to learn how to get better. My cousin is a driving instructor and taught the same guy for 2 years and he just couldn't wrap his head around really basic shit after all that time. Eventually told the guy that look, you're never going to pass your test so you're just wasting your money.

>> No.18793005

>>18791993
>>18791995
>>18792009
God, you Wojack posters are the worst.

>> No.18793058

>listening to dynamic loud nightcore remixes while writing sad lit fiction
Yeah this is peak kino

>> No.18793106

>>18791560
Throw a foot ball.

>> No.18793111

>>18792943
literal schizo writing

>> No.18793185

>>18791560
Failed men who based their lives around Blade Runner are little more than ghouls seeking refuge in the vain hope that making others as miserable as they are will result in a worthwhile existence. They are truly the worst kind of social parasite; not even one that pillages to benefit themselves, but one whose shriveled purpose is to induct others into a homosexual cult for a pedowood actor.
Imagine that kind of roach telling you you can't be a writer.

>> No.18793299

i will not rght ever again!

>> No.18793407

>hmm, today i will read some of my old abandoned writing
>open up a project folder
>no fewer than NINE abandoned revisions
>read them all
>they're all brilliant, way better than anything i wrote recently, with a spark of true genius and investment
>distinctly remember abandoning all of them because at the time i knew ("knew") they were garbage not worth the effort

i've since picked back up my favourite revision. how do i stop this from happening? the mind shudders at all the high quality writing i could have finished if only i'd actually stuck with a project and believed in myself.

>> No.18793444

>>18793407
You have to find reasons to believe you are special and have lived a truly unique life, I guess?

How true is that statement even? I'm sure there are successful authors out there who have lived normal and boring lives, but they write for a specific market and have no problem selling.

Once you're an established mainstream writer working for the trad pub houses, getting paid vast sums of money to push whatever narrative the state wants, does it even matter if you write it yourself or merely give creative guidance to a team of writers and editors who make your outline happen, then the team of marketers and bot accounts/instagram e-celeb shit go to work shilling your books or getting it added to Obama's reading list.

You have to believe you are a part of the counter-culture, or how are you going to make in-roads to the dominant culture where media is so tightly controlled and censored?

>> No.18793512

>>18793407
Same. My old projects were all great, poetic, with beautiful prose. Now I got memed into some "write action!" bullshit and I cannot unlearn that.

>> No.18793676

>>18792841
Use your imagination more.

>> No.18793714

>>18793676
Just this morning I was working on some criticism I took about how my character would do so much for a bike that I didn't describe. So I wrote a backstory about how he got this special bike, and I feel it adds a good deal of motivation now.

My imagination is going 24/7/365, it is hard to shut off!

>> No.18793743

>>18792841
You need to have novel insight about something important and communicate it in a compelling way.

>novel
Live a life that's different from most people.
>insight
Adopt a detached, observant disposition. Experience the world twice - first as yourself, and then as nobody; put your own thoughts, feeling, and assumptions to one side. Recognise them for what they are, the random opinions of just some fucking guy, and reexamine the situation with an impartial mind.
>something important
Speak about problems that matter to people who care.
>communicate it in a compelling way
Tie your insight to the real world by writing a story that explains it in a way that people can understand.

If you want to be the best then do all the above while also wrapping it in a flawless masterpiece of beauty and technical perfection, but that's not necessary for greatness. Stylistic and narrative flaws fade into insignificance against the backdrop of history. Today what matters is how you say it, not what you say, but in the end what you say is what will resonate. Tastes change and no matter how perfect your book is today it will always be weird and archaic in the future.

>> No.18793802

All my ideas are garbage

>> No.18793948

>>18793802
You never know until you write and put your work out there...

>> No.18794056

>>18789834
This guy looks 30 lol
He looks older than me and I'm 25

>> No.18794074

Yes, I'm done now. I was never going to become the next Faulkner, the next Nabokov or the next Joyce, but I hid behind the language barrier to avoid criticism for months, maintaining an illusion that was fun to live in while it lasted. I had thought my country's education system to be topmost in the world, but this turned out to be utter bollocks. A child of 18, a person ten years my junior, has a greater vocabulary than I, who had to look up the word “topiary”, and no one likes the expression theory of art anymore, I am likened to a long lost dinosaur.
This will be my final post on /lit/. I've been humiliated and exposed as a fraud. My writing is pretentious, infantile, banal drivel. My observations are dull, my language grade school level. My tenses are mixed up; I use colloquialisms, ellipses and onomatopoeia. I mix tired and trite idioms together to obfuscate their unoriginality with a veneer of irony; I have continued to recite ornate Jewish chimpanzee parables with diminishing returns. The parable seemed very clearly to me to be asking me whether or not the now-grown-adult can choose. I say yes, of course, but that's not my issue.
I was never cut out for writing. I began writing my "book" on January 6th. Since then I've produced 135 thousand words for it. These words are a tide of garbage without value, without insight, without form. The themes of time, space, infinity, memory and pointless duelling are not present in my work. It was never real writing, it was anime and weebshit!
Story arcs, character arcs, narrative arcs, these are all outdated terms. You say what you hear, and only the anime fandom uses the term “arc” anymore. I am a toad! Look how many words I wrote, because apparently literature is bodybuilding and just aimlessly typing will somehow improve my writing. My appetites grew as I wrote, I set a goal of a 100 thousand words when I began, only for the cancerous growth to demand a 137 thousand words soon enough to be completed, and still I don't even know what genre it is that I'm writing. Is it autofiction? A comedy? A picaresque? Am I merely shitposting edgelord-triggering diarrhea in neo-emo gothic revivalist gestalt?
Regardless, I have failed, and even in my failure I have merely imitated how people who think they write well but write poorly write, and I couldn't even do that well. "Oh I can do that anytime if I wanted to" I thought, but no. I have put down my pen. Never again will my fingers click-clack across the keyboard. No more outlines, no more characters. Goodbye. I will take my own advice and go to the rope. Why live if you can't be a great writer, or even a passable one? And why write at all, anyway, if no one is reading anymore and Harold Bloom isn't around to insert us into the Canon? Learn from me! Learn from me!

>> No.18794081

>>18794074
I've seen this post already. Why did you paste it?

>> No.18794083

>>18794081
If you look closely, you'll see there's a different number

>> No.18794084

>>18793714
John Truby's book was a great help to me for structuring a story. Might help you as well. Best dollars I ever spent on a book.

>> No.18794085

Why are you on 4chan right now, anon? Why aren't you writing? Didn't you say you wanted to "make it"?

>> No.18794090

Anime avatar faggots should be gassed and they killed this general

>> No.18794096

>>18794085
I just finished chapter 40, cut me some fucking slack huh

>> No.18794099

>>18794085
Because I just feel like these stories I’m writing would be better in a different medium. It feels like I’m doing them a disservice or something.

>> No.18794104

>porn kills my creative drive
>quit porn
>cold turkey for two weeks
>drive comes back
>write a few pages
>???
>end up going back to porn somehow
>drive is gone

Help me...

>> No.18794113

>>18794104
https://easypeasymethod.org/

>> No.18794238

>>18794113
>https://easypeasymethod.org/
Bless you anon!

>> No.18794327

>>18791854
Hm, okay that's fair. When I say draft I more or less mean going back through and reworking everything that you feel is weak. That may involve scrapping certain sections to rewrite completely, while some portions may just need minor edits.

>> No.18794349

>>18792009
Nobody argues this except elementary school teachers. Everyone knows you can begin sentences with coordinating conjunctions.

>>18791995
Depends on the circumstance.

>>18791993
As long as it's one complete central thought then paragraphs can go as long as they need to. We only break them up once we move on to another central idea. Purely for readability. If you're doing it from a stylistic standpoint that's fine. There are no rules of writing. Just recommendations based on how the English-speaking world likes to read.

>>18791948
Again like before, it depends on the context. It can come out as you not being able to form a coherent and concise thought.

There are no rules of writing. You can do whatever you want. Any notion of "rules" is determined by the reader and the collective preferences of a group of readers. If you care about them then you tailor your writing to what would be most appropriate for the reader. If you don't then who gives a fuck? It's the difference between writing for primary school children and an adult audience.

>> No.18794383

>>18790137
That's part of the art. The nuance. The subtlety. The faint implication of recursion and infinity.

>> No.18794409

How do we feel about the outro to my travel memoir? This is the last segment of a chapter about my time in the Balkans.

(Some of the items mentioned in the closing paragraph, such as the graffiti and the police, aren't mentioned in the paragraphs displayed.)

>> No.18794449

>>18794409
You had many epic times indeed and a serious adventure!

Does it feel right to you to use "I saw" and "The" at the beginning of every sentence? Could your experiences be further served by massaging those sights into paragraphs of their own, or is your still in your "outro" going to be the "I saws" and it doesn't need to be weaved into any more stylized prose?

>> No.18794464

>>18794449

Thanks! The chapter itself is in normal prose, this is just a stylistic choice for the outro. Basically, there's a fuckton of things I did and saw that I simply don't have room to include as their own paragraphs, so assembling them rapid-fire like this seemed to be to be an aesthetically refreshing way of making sure they don't go unsaid.

>> No.18794472

>>18794409
I do agree with other anon that the repeated "I saw" beginnings do grate a bit as a style choice. It might be what feels good but not necessarily what's best for a reader, you can make it flow really nicely with different sentence links.

>> No.18794504

>>18794464
What I would do is try and link some of them together, like when the drunk smoker talked to you, you turned and walked into the pizza shop where the guy offered you booze. Maybe? Would make the experiences "flow" on paper

>> No.18794568

>>18793802
anon, any idea no matter how autistic can work. My novel is half way between digimon and dr stone and it's looking fine

>> No.18794629

/wg/, I'm trying figure out what to replace some of my characters with. At one point, "weird nerd with an inflation fetish" and "conspicuously naked cowboy" seemed like funny ideas, but I realized the meme factor makes it hard to give them personalities, backstories and depth

>> No.18795161

What music do you listen to while writing?

>> No.18795206

How do you write non-autistic dialogue?
>if you can't do it don't do it
I know but I need to learn eventually

>> No.18795220

>>18795206
I cannot. Embrace full autism, anon. It's kino.

>> No.18795237

>trying to write a book, a comic, a web video series, a game, just create anything
>looking at and analyzing successful existing indie story examples in all of them
>all of them are heavily based on older existing widely popular media essentially just reskinned
>don't see anything wrong with that and look for ways to do that myself
>realize everything I like was an unpopular niche commercial failure

>> No.18795242

>>18795237
>everything I like was an unpopular niche commercial failure
same anon
it's a wrong time to be alive, I should live in 1900.

>> No.18795255

From experience I've found writing and finishing something is the best way to learn and grow. I've had several stories not pan out, ones I've finished and outgrown through the process of writing it, or haven't finished because the work simply doesn't maintain my interest and for that reason I shouldn't expect it to retain the reader's interest either.

If I look back at something I've written, finished, and have shared with others, there are things I want to improve on next time. But there is also the satisfaction of finding out what worked to get that particular piece to reach a narrative conclusion I'm satisfied with.

Reading is important to becoming better as a writer, but writing with the intent to share the work is more important. If you reach a point where you have to say 'yeah this isn't salvagable', then you've make progress figuring out what doesn't work. So long as you try and change up your method the next go round you should be good and will succeed eventually.

>> No.18795269

>>18794629
>I realized the meme factor makes it hard to give them personalities, backstories and depth
It doesn't

>> No.18795276

>>18789834
You know this guy seems totally open and self-secure about the fact that he has deliberately adopted and cultivated a particular aesthetic. More power to him. Far less cringeworthy than the embarrassing posers who sculpt themselves entirely in the image of an off-the-shelf internet aesthetic and then pretend that it's just a totally organic and natural expression of their self rather than something they saw on instagram and thought would make them seem deep and unconventional.

>> No.18795282

>>18795220
But it makes all my jokes fall flat

>> No.18795297

>>18794349
>Wasting all that effort for Wojack shitpost.
Fucking hell.

>> No.18795961

I needed a break writing my thesis so I installed Final Draft, the formatting is a nice break from LaTeX.

Now, where do I learn to actually 'write'? Is it possible to learn it in a manner that is actually technical/methodical or is it a case of just revealing to yourself how capable you are at it?

>> No.18795991

>>18795297
Look if I'm not going to give my one hundred percent effort then why do I bother doing anything at all? Somebody might walk in and see that, better give a genuine answer from me.

>> No.18795997

>>18795991
Ah yes, because people are that fucking retarded that they will take at face value words from a person who posts wojack.

>> No.18796001

>>18795991
>if I'm not going to give my one hundred percent effort then why do I bother doing anything at all?

Don't let the other posters fool you, this might be one of the most based things posted on 4chan in a while.

>> No.18796015

>>18791578
Seek help you mentally Ill man.

>> No.18796026

>>18795997
Anon read what you just wrote back to yourself and you will realize you just made a factual statement instead of a sarcastic one.

>> No.18796031

>>18796026
No, I didn't make a factual statement and you trying to cope with it doesn't make it so.

>> No.18796039

>>18796026
You must be retarded to think people here actually take any advice here.

>> No.18796068

>>18796031
>>18796039
But it's true that people are retarded and may indeed take words from a wojak poster to heart anon. There are retards on 4chan that will do that.

>> No.18796094

>>18796039
I did... and found it very useful!

>> No.18796170

>>18792943
You're trying too hard... You're trying to emulate shizowriting but failing. Don't help the reader. Stop with the endnotes, let them figure out the quotations themselves. The reader doesn't deserve to be treated gently.

>> No.18796190

How do you manage enough alone time to focus? I’m getting no privacy these days because of family always asking to do things and I hesitate to say “I can’t. I’m writing a book.”

>> No.18796204

How do you write people ranting angrily to themselves? I've just realised it doesn't really work outside of animated cartoons. People ranting to themselves irl just comes across as autistic.

>> No.18796219

>>18795991
>Look if I'm not going to give my one hundred percent effort then why do I bother doing anything at all?
Hmm.. admirable

>> No.18796234

Well anons, it's been a year and half of perpetual writing, some 92 chapters and 328k words later but I finally reached the conclusion of my story's (Saga of the Cosmic Heroes) second volume yesterday night and a satisfying end to my deuteragonist's character arc. My writing process since the beginning has experienced highs and lows throughout the year and the last but I persisted, and so should all of you too. Be optimistic and don't let a bad day translate to having a bad life.

I'm happy that I made it this far into the journey and yet I have so much more to story to tell. Yet with that said, the burnout is far too real for me to ignore, so I've decided to take a step back into hiatus and enjoy the other fine things in my life for the rest of the month and maybe September. Writing every day is a good habit to get into, but I think writing too much for too long can affect people rather they're consciously aware of it or not. Nothing wrong with taking extended breaks, just don't let it slip into becoming a bad habit that'll lead you to never finishing a series in your lifetime.

>> No.18796251

>>18796234
That sounds fun anon, take a nice break now

>> No.18796474

>>18796234
Congratulations. I'll make it a point to read through your (rather long it sounds like) story. Take a break, brainstorm, get a bit ahead for volume 3.

>> No.18796557

>>18794113
>>18794104 here, I'm using Easypeasy but I don't think it's working right. I'm 'getting better' but I still relapse.

>> No.18796589

Hello gentlemen, I come in ask of any critique you could give me on a fanfiction I'm working on. I'm putting my heart into this and planning to follow it through to the end as a means to practice my writing skill overall and whittle my skill into something meaningful and sellable.
I hope I'm not breaking any rules or etiquette by posting my Fanfic link. You can critique anything and jump into any chapter you wish. I want truthful critiques, do not be afraid to hurt me, I am here to become better not happier.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/30347046/chapters/74809839

>> No.18796689

>>18796589
I'm confused at how you managed to post a link to AO3 when it's considered spam by the system. Also no fanfics is the one singular rule for this board.

>> No.18796698

I'm trying to write a character speaking with their tongue out. I've repeated the sentence over and over irl but can't spell what I'm hearing out. Any tips for this?

>> No.18796762

>>18793106
you don't throw a football you fucking moron.
it's literally named a football, for feet.

>> No.18796811

>dark academia
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_academia

What the fuck is this shit?

The Fuck?

>> No.18796821

>>18796811
It's peak pseud.

>> No.18796862

>>18794090
i honestly hate tranime too but if they make wojakposters seethe then i'm all for it.

>> No.18796885

>>18796811
it's just an aesthetic like steampunk and shit. a pretty appealing one considering the success of harry potter.

>> No.18796899

>>18796885
>considering the success of harry potter.
Well, that explains this pic, courtesy of new york times

>> No.18796906

>>18796899
what if it's hot outside

>> No.18796925

>>18796899
Vivian is clearly the best.

>> No.18796926

>>18794090
Nah, animefags are the only ones writing.

>> No.18796963

>>18796906

Anon

- only wears boxer briefs and Dorito crumbs
- loves shitposting on 4chan
- owns at least 20 books, has read exactly one of them
- fell for the McCarthy meme
- might be addicted to porn

rammitin . virgino . npc

>> No.18796963,1 [INTERNAL] 

Could you enlighten me on how to improve the grammar ?

>> No.18797988

I need your thoughts, anons!:
I'm personally against back cover blurb but it seems to be a necessity, especially if you're not going the i-can-do-whatever-i-want self publishing way.

My question is this: what do you think of having the blurb the words on the back cover that introduce the book to the (((potential))) reader being an excerpt from the book?
Also, what do you think about it being the first, introductory text that sets the tone for the book?

I'm asking you because i hate spoilers and "setting the tone" type text, but my editor has advised me to include it. The editor's opinion is that the blurb should be something else, more generally descriptive of the book, in case you're wondering why i'm not taking their advice. I just want to know if someone has any thoughts on this. Do you?

>> No.18797997

>>18797988
It’s always the most stupid fucking questions here.

>> No.18798005

>>18797988
>Ignore the expert's opinion on a subject they have experience
Are you just here to validate your own opinion? Is this why you even ask this "question" in the first place?

>> No.18798018

>>18797997
>not an opinion
>>18798005
>not an opinion
both answers within seconds of me posting it.

You guys are just waiting to pounce on anything that isn't literally your own opinion and knowledge. But hey, at least we're bumpin the thread!

>> No.18798026

>>18798018
>Ignores the opinion by an editor
What the fuck were you expecting?

>> No.18798030

>>18798018
Literally what retard comes here for opinion and knowledge here? Take the advice of an editor than some anonymous fuck. Are people truly that fucking retard?

>> No.18798035

>>18798026
>>18798005
>ignoring

i am not ignoring it, i'm taking it into serious consideration. There are however anons here who are intelligent and reasonable and have thoughtful input. None of them are (you) however >>18797997
>>18798005
>>18798026
>>18798030

Any further replies that are not answers to the first question will be ignored.

>> No.18798043

>>18798035
>There are however anons here who are intelligent and reasonable
No there isn’t. Stop trying to fucking delude yourself and others. No one here knows half the shit they’re typing.

>> No.18798053

>>18798043
are you suggesting that the counter for the number of individuals in this thread that have posted should be renamed to "posers"?

>> No.18798055

>>18798035
>There are however anons here who are intelligent and reasonable and have thoughtful input.
Ah yes, because the people here who don't know show and tell are somehow intelligent and reasonable and have thoughtful input

>> No.18798056

>turn on reddit r/writing to see what they talk about
>two newest threads are about 1. writing a trans mc
https://www.reddit.com/r/writing/comments/ozouip/am_writing_a_trans_character/
2. writing genderfluid characters whatever it is
https://www.reddit.com/r/writing/comments/ozowz0/need_help_writing_a_genderfluid_character/

what would the greatest authors think about today's insanity?

>> No.18798064

>>18798056
And yet, somehow better than /wg/

>> No.18798075

>>18798056
How do they do any writing when they're not allowed to write from a perspective that's not their own?

>> No.18798086

>>18798075
method writing. they go through sex correction treatment so they get the right to do it. It's the only way.

>> No.18798087

>>18798056
>Remember about statistics, they tell us a lot about trans struggle. More than half of the trans youth seriously considered suicide, the general ratio among all of the trans people stays always between 41% and 56% in statistics. Remember what those poor people go through to make such a big number.
keked

>> No.18798235

What's the best way to improve my writing skills? I have some good book ideas however I do not have the writing skills to tackle them yet. What's the best way to practice?

>> No.18798238

>>18798235
By writing.

>> No.18798244

>>18798238
Yeah but writing what? I have no ideas that aren't books/short stories that I want to pursue as publishable projects.

>> No.18798245

>>18798235
Write lol

>> No.18798250

>>18798244
Just write. Stop looking for excuses to not write.

>> No.18798261

>>18798250
Write what? A journal? A technical manual on toaster ovens?

>> No.18798266

>>18798261
Just write

>> No.18798291

>>18789916
based take
>>18790137
>frog post
>retarded take on based take
you dummy. why am I not surprised

>> No.18798446

How far into a book can my promises be? First page? First ten? Within the first chapter?

Can a promise be as loose as starting with a chase scene where the main character attempts to use magic with it seemingly failing?

My main promise and story doesn't really start until the protagonist's grandmother dies but I don't want that to happen super early, because the grandmother trying to stop the protagonist learning magic is a setup to what happened to her missing mother.

>> No.18798462

What do you guys do on days where you feel very slow and unimaginative? I tried to power through but maybe wrote 100 words in about 40 minutes. I know a first draft is going to be the worst a book will be anyway, but I don't want to intentionally write badly because I'm feeling sluggish.

Also, do you guys do anything to help you set a mood with your writing? I want my story to be kind of a gothic coming-of-age type story, I was thinking of listening to some Baroque while I write to get me feeling the right things.

>> No.18798470

>>18798462
Write

>> No.18798501

>>18798261
Are you retarded or just autistic? If you have book ideas, just write it.

>> No.18799072

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/blacula-graphic-novel-1234993542/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Is this the end for Blackula?

>> No.18799076

>>18798501
But my writing style sucks atm. I need to build some style by practice.

>> No.18799119

>>18798462
>Also, do you guys do anything to help you set a mood with your writing? I want my story to be kind of a gothic coming-of-age type story, I was thinking of listening to some Baroque while I write to get me feeling the right things.
Music helps set my mood too. If you're in the Baroque classical music, Bach's Mass in B Minor is a great mood setter for Gothic stories. Occasionally I'll go out and collect artwork from online to have for instant mood generation. Reading through the stuff I wrote recently helps me remember where I wanted to continue from.

>> No.18799229

I feel fucking stuck before I even fucking started.

>> No.18799899

>Death came swiftly across plaid plains. The oats and barley shafts shivered under his shadow. Marcus Garvey watched him pass. Death came for the man, and took him under. Marcus Garvey fell after seeing Death come and pass swiftly, under a steel sky, in the fields.

I got an idea for a short story about Death and a black sharecropper/farmer. I think it will deal with the underworld. The above came to me while I was trying to sleep last night.

>> No.18799972

>Opening a story with a description of the weather or scenery
ISHYGDDT

>> No.18800020

>>18798056
>write an accurate tranny character from first person
>constantly wanting to die
>literally delusional
>emotional outburst on a hair trigger
>delusions of jew-in-nazi-germany like persecution despite being protected and empowered by every western government
I would bet money that I would get cancelled for portraying them accurately.

>> No.18800146

Has WW1/WW2 fiction just been done to death? I’m debating if that’s a story I want to tell, specifically WW1.

>> No.18800200

>abandonded /wg/
>lurk and crit in different online community
>underage asks for crit
>is higher quality than the average amateur adult
I've crit'd maybe 50~ stories here and maybe 10% of those would compare or exceed. Does writing just attract genuine autists, why are so many amateurs so unbelievably shit that they get out performed by children
Just give up already

>> No.18800243

>>18800200
You'll notice that about 1% of any creator pursuers are actually good at what they're pursuing.

You should SEE /mu/ Soundcloud threads.

>> No.18800275

>>18800200
Because the different online community actually fosters writing unlike /wg/

>> No.18800378

>>18799076
Yeah and what does the practice mean? Writing.
It's like you're saying
>how to get fit
>go to gym
>but my muscles suck atm i need to build some of them by practice
yeah then go to the fucking gym
go write retard

>> No.18800385

>>18800378
But what do I write? A journal? A technical manual on toaster ovens?

>> No.18800389

>>18800385
GO FUCKING WRITE YOUR BOOKS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.18800451

>>18800389
But my writing style sucks atm. I need to build some style by practice.

>> No.18800458

>>18800451
Yeah and what does the practice mean? Writing.
It's like you're saying
>how to get fit
>go to gym
>but my muscles suck atm i need to build some of them by practice
yeah then go to the fucking gym
go write retard

>> No.18800464

>>18800458
But what do I write? A journal? A technical manual on toaster ovens?

>> No.18800466

>>18800464
GO FUCKING WRITE YOUR BOOKS
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>> No.18800469

>>18800466
But my writing style sucks atm. I need to build some style by practice.

>> No.18800522

deja vu

>> No.18800593

drunk writing is the best but it makes me text my ex gfs/bfs so that kinda sucks

>> No.18800607

>>18800200
Art and autism both start with a. Still gonna write though.

>> No.18800749

>>18800469
Don't think about style. Start by learning how to communicate clearly. Then experiment with adding little flourishes here and there. So called purple prose occurs when a writer lacks the core of effective language which is clear communication but wants to make it pretty without the framework. It's sort of like having furniture without a house.

>> No.18800793

/WG/ please share some of your thoughts ITT >>18798270

>> No.18800794

Can you form an adequate mental image of this passage?

In the mornings, if I was the first to wake, I would grab my notebook and a pencil from the bedside table, creep down to the mudroom, pull on my boots, and sneak out the back door. I would wait to slip on my waxed jacket until I was out of the house, for I didn’t want its jangling zippers to disturb anyone still peacefully at rest. I would venture to the back gate, lift its heavy wooden latch, and quietly push it open, taking a first, plunging step into the thick grass and mud of the meadow that sloped up behind our house. In the early autumn, a lazy fog would hang over the meadow, and after walking for a few minutes up the slope, when I would turn back to look at the house, beyond it I could only faintly make out our neighbor’s chimneys. Perhaps from one or two, a thin wisp of smoke would curl up through the fog, and I would imagine a grandmother, swaddled in blankets and curled over an incipient fire, dropping fistfuls of diced potatoes into a morning stew.

>> No.18800811

>>18800794
Sure I can, since you left enough for me to imagine without flooding me with descriptions. But I have to ask what's with the weird choice of tense? Or is it not weird, and I am weird

>> No.18800828

>>18800811
I think he wants to be proust lol

>> No.18800932

>>18800794
2 things I don't like:

1. Disturbing anyone... you have a chance here to add more info... who is in the house asleep?
2. Why do you imagine a grandma, and where is she? In the house with the chimney?

Good mental image, but on such a small clip it is hard to tell "why"

>> No.18801058

>>18789950
that which is dead can never die.

>> No.18801150

Write an inner monologue using this prompt
>Another day passing by. Pushing forever forward into the abyss.

>> No.18801172

>>18801150
Another day passing by. Pushing forever forward into the abyss. Staring at my word processor, the cursor blinks and seems to skip a pulse every now and then, mocking me. Maybe I'm zoning out. RC Waldun's newest book is all over /lit/, Mike MA was elected to governor of Texas and F Gardner just won a Pulitzer.

On my 5th book, my book binding machine is broken in the corner. I scrawl my writing into pages of notebooks stolen from the local dollar store, using equally-hot sharpies to leave my mark. The pens bleed through the paper, making each page beyond the first harder and harder to read.

No matter, I tell myself, my next post on /lit/ will be my gateway to success. The world will see that I have a voice, it's not going to be another thread full of (You)'s and seek helps. We're all going to make it. We're all going to make it. We're all going to make it.

>> No.18801220

>>18800794
Yeah. I form a mental image of me nodding off while trying to read the story this is taken from.

>> No.18801272

Sending in my application to be a librarian at a christian school. If anyone asks, I'm Evangelical Christian, youth group leader and christian camp lake lifeguard.

>> No.18801282

>>18801272
literally no one cares

>> No.18801325

If I told you I was going to write a cyberpunk "re-telling" of LotR which superficially appears to be a rejection of good versus evil but actually just situates good versus evil in a modern context what would you say?

Basically I want to make a defence of Tolkein against critics who say his conception of good and evil is too simplistic (looking at you Martin) - although obviously his work doesn't need defending. The way I plan to do that is with my bad guy protagonists trying to escape their role as heroes every step of the way (hiding behind excuses of nihilism, subjectivity, what-comes-after ism) but failing to do so, and in the process examining these statements against Tolkein and defeating them.

In the process I also want to write a love letter to activists in oppressed nations (including America) and make a statement about democracy and imperfect government, and the role that individual people have in fighting to make it better without getting disillusioned or retreating into extremist fantasies.

To go with all of this dumb gay political bullshit I would also write a thrilling plot with fun, irreverent characters and a resigned tone. It would parallel but not copy the plot of LotR, not married to specifics but trying to hit similar beats.

I know the idea as described is wanky in the extreme but I'm not asking so much whether you would write this book as I am asking that if this book existed, would you even be interested enough in the potential that it might have been done well to open the cover? If this book existed would you be so turned off by the premise that you wouldn't even read the first page, or does the potential of the premise well-executed excite you, or what?

>> No.18801344

>>18801325
P.S. by cyberpunk I sort of mean post-apocalyptic more than cyberpunk. Cyberpunk after-the-end, if you get me.

>> No.18801366

>>18801325
Sounds like you don't have a concrete idea

>> No.18801402

>>18801366
Define concrete.

>> No.18801412

>>18801402
>existing in a material or physical form; not abstract.

>> No.18801431

>>18801402
See>>18801412 but more importantly, you have lots of ideas but how do you plan on executing that. You have less than you think you do.

>> No.18801483

>>18801431
I just didn't want to post a 3,000 character plot summary about shit nobody cares about.

The plot etc. mostly revolves around the four bandits trying to divest of the chip in a way that doesn't end with them getting killed through various obstacles as they first reject the case for change and then second rationalise that even if there is a case for change there's no part in it for them and someone else should do it. Then, lastly, their participation in change but in a reserved way that tolerates no personal cost or sacrifice, culminating in the not-total failure of their mission and a reflection on what it means to succeed in politics.

I'm not planning for it to be as long as LotR, it will be a pretty short novel with a pretty straightforward plot. The main focus is on the issues I described as they touch the characters going through the plot - how they each deal with them.

Each character is a perspective on the issues. The "leader" is the one who feels most keenly the case for change and he is foiled by his best friend, who is more cynical and pessimistic. They're joined by the completely self-interested asshole who just wants to survive (who will ultimately meet a coward's end, but not in a moralising way), and by the naive corpo stooge who doesn't experience a case for change at all, the fierce advocate for the system. I plan for the fellowship to fall apart in a way that parallels LotR, but over these irreconcilable worldviews and much later on in the book. Then, thusly separated, they can all fail as individuals where a group might have succeeded, which approaches the issue of obsessing over ideological purity in movements.

First and foremost I want to tell a good story with good characters, but I want to construct it in such a way as to make these points - which is possible, I know, because these points get made every day in real life in a thousand million different situations by people who aren't even trying. I want to write a good story that casts a shadow, if you understand.

>> No.18801498

I found one of the things I'm good at when writing are additions, like a sentence here, line of dialogue there, etc. As long as I know where the scene is going to end up I can stretch out a single moment almost infinitely.

So, I've been practicing this skill by going through books I already like and expanding them line by line. By the time I'm through, something like >50% of the total word count is original.

I feel like I can get a job ghost writing as long as the client has an outline of the story beats, but rn that's just a daydream. idk if I'll be as productive when working on a project that isn't of personal interest.

>> No.18801506

>>18801483
Sounds interesting, maybe start writing some character profiles as they'll be the main drives of the novel

>> No.18801569

>>18801325
>>18801483
Sounds like you've got a big vision for a big project. And it does sound interesting, I'd read it especially if the plot is either a slow burn or very expedient, but not something procedural and medium-paced.

>> No.18801597

>>18801506
>>18801569
Thanks anons, you've given me a bit more confidence in an idea that I've been thinking of up until now as presumptuous.

If I ever have anything to show for it I'll come back here and post the finished work for you all to read.

>> No.18801611

>>18800146
Everything's been done to death if you think about it. Come to think of it, I don't even think there's any presence of it in webnovels.

>> No.18801628

Don't mind me if i do : >>18798270.

Dear Anons, we need your contribution for the creation of a new online literature movement called "post-sneed naivette".

>> No.18801634

>>18801628
>post-sneed naivette
The genre of right wing art produced by online memelords who still thought that the right wing bullshit on /pol/ was ironic and not the dangerous beginning of fascism in the USA?

>> No.18801691

>>18801634
Neoliberal crony capitalism has done more damaged to America than a bunch of spergs typing

>> No.18801701

>>18801691
Correct, and the primary form of damage that it has done is create a class of elites with privilege to protect and the media empire they use to protect it, the result of which has been fascism.

>> No.18801710

>>18801634
>fascism
>dangerous
To usurers maybe

>> No.18801734

>>18801150
You tried, anon, doing any writing here is too much to ask the pseuds

>> No.18801759

Typically, a child born between two clans would never follow the habits and hobbies of their maternal clan. If they were a Crow, they would learn their books. If they were a Lion, they would rule. If they were a Butterfly, they would perform.
But Nicoline's mother had a very... forceful personality. The thought that her only daughter was to spend her entire youth inside, and seemed all the more content with such an enterprise, was absolutely appalling.
And so Nicoline learned to dance. She learned to run. She learned to play music.
She also learned archery. As Nicoline entered the storage shed, white morning light peeking in from the open door, her brown shortbow sat in it's usual perch. It was dusty. She hadn't used it since her mother's passing. Would she be able to use it?
At the very least, she would take it and clean the dust off it. Tighten the strings... there we go. The arrows, all practice arrows. But over there, in that pile, a barrel of war arrows. Nicoline coughed as she cleared the pile. The room was unusually dusty, much unlike the house, because a gardener had been absent for quite some time now.
But now she had the arrows in hand. They were proven to rip through doe flesh, according to Uncle Dusan, who had borrowed them while hunting on one particular visit.
Taking one in hand, they still had the same weight of the practice arrows. Would it be easy? Or hard?
Nicoline didn't allow herself time to think about it. She left the storage room, and headed to the front of the mansion.
A crowd awaited her. She felt exposed in her current attire, a pair of brown pants and a drawn up gray tunic with intricate white embroidery. Black boots that looked official. They were. Nicoline assumed, that what with her small chest, they must have mistaken her for a stranger boy. But they bowed their head at her approach, solemn. They saw not her consternated face when she approached, but the glint of her arrows.

>> No.18801767

>>18801734
AT LEAST I TRIIIIEEEEEEED

>> No.18801772

>>18801759
A few couldn't help but look. Ulyana. Simeon. Leena.
She decided to speak to them, which was very inappropriate, given the circumstances.
"This is the difference that separates me from you. All of you. I see the way you still roll your eyes when I act according to my role. You still pat me on the back, as you did when I was a child."
She makes eye contact with Maxim Mirnov, who still has his head bowed, then shifts her eyes away, onto the horizon.
"But I am not a village child. I am the Head to the House of the Gilded Crow. I am the Baroness of which land you all live on. Perhaps this demonstration today will impose that into your minds."
She stared at the frightened maid, who was once her friend. Now... Nicoline didn't know if she could feel right calling her by that name.
"Ksenia Agafnova. On the authority of a Tribunal established by Damyon Leonov, the seventh son to the House of Gold, whose authority supersedes my own, you have been condemned to die. I, Nicoline Drozdova, will serve as your executioner. Afterwards, I will wash my hands of the incident, for this is not a personal killing, but an execution on behalf of the King's will."
Ksenia was out of pleading. She had pleaded her case for hours beforehand. Now, was just the tacit acceptance that Nicoline was going to go through with the execution, and hope that she could make it past her judgement. She adopted the face she made when she was not serving as Nicoline's servant, but rather her friend. Her true face, which showed determination.
Nicoline drew a circle in the dirt drive with the heel of her boot.
"The execution will be by arrow, as you requested. I will stand in this circle. You will have a five foot headstart before I draw, and at ten feet I will loose. If you manage to run down the slopes to the mansion, and out the straight road through the village, injuries notwithstanding, you will have the punishment of exile, and be free to go. If you are hit and incapacitated, you will be summarily executed with however many arrows it will take, until you perish. Do you comprehend?"
Ksenia nodded.

>> No.18801826

>Perfectly plan out every chapter in order, every plot twist, cool concept, thematic exploration and character arc
>Abandon project without writing an actual word because my sentences suck

>> No.18801961

>>18801272
>Evangelical
just try not to slip up. regular christians worship the rabbi jesus. evangelicals worship jews as a whole

>> No.18801986

>>18801826
a legend in your own mind

>> No.18802045

I've got a lexicon issue I could use help with. I'm writing a fantasy piece on a flat earth where the sun is at the center of the known world, unmoving. So it would make sense that people use it to navigate

Sunward and Shadoward make sense just hearing them in this context. Sunwise makes sense too, for anyone with the linguistic capability of an elementary student, but I cannot for the life of me find a good name for the last direction

Anti-sunwise? Shadowwise?

>> No.18802047

>>18801150
Another day passing by. Pushing forever forward into the abyss. Our clean water supply diminishes to the point where even rainwater basins won't last us long. Every day we send sentries to the outer trenches, and every night after one less good man comes back. What small arms and munitions we have—what the bureaucrats boast as state-of-the-art—dwindles just as much. Our projected air supplies never fail to fall short of their landing zones, and that operates on the assumption that the rebel anti-air batteries don't light them up like a downed phoenix, often creating a vibrant firework that burns for hours: the survivors likely executed on the spot.

And yet, our leaders are not determined to relieve us. We were sent here for a reason, a reason, the General expressed, to deliver a decisive blow to the rebellion once and for all. But even they should know this is fruitless. That this investment to a little basin surrounded by rocky, forested hills is a herculean task: but in the eyes of content, fat politicians they know no reality that is this hell. Even top brass, as hardass as they are, have leaders they must conform to. Leaders that they must please, a chain of command to follow. In a way, they fight their own battle ensuring we survive. But it is a battle that they are losing—a battle that we are all losing. There is no decisive victory to be achieved here, only a suicidal last stand. Against such overwhelming odds, the bureaucrats back home hope that we, the boots on the ground, achieve peace with one fell swoop. And that

But is this a battle? This is a military fortress touted as implementable. Surrounded by all sides by a force that's likely three to one. The enemy taunts us with overbearing sun reflections of their reflective weaponry: and we are powerless to object to this torture. By night, there is an overwhelming sea of campfires and laughter from beyond no man's land. Yet, for all their hopes and intimidation the insurgents cannot hope to capture this mound of dirt and concrete, and we are unable to sally out or even challenge them in the open field. We are unable to achieve what our very reason for here is being: to lure and concentrate the enemy, and cripple them and produce a bargaining chip at a culmination of a final peace conference. That's what the bureaucrats dream, and that's what the general staff and the soldiers can only wish for: an end to delusions, a return to normalcy. But the longer we sink into the mud, the more we push into the forlorn abyss.

>> No.18802088

>>18801767
You should give it a shot!

>> No.18802107

>>18801826
Heard of editing?

>> No.18802140

>>18801986
I-i'd be a famous author bro i'm just lazy
>>18802107
Good point, i'm good at getting people to think things through and asking the right questions

>> No.18802364

>>18802045
You could also find another anchor point even if the point is the known universe. Sunward and Spaceward, for example. Then Sunwise and Spacewise sound reasonable.

>> No.18802504

Is it okay for almost all dialogue to start with "Ah," "Oh," etc?

>> No.18802527

>>18802504
Almost all? No, but, if it can be observed in real people, it is fair game.

As for me, I made another chappie and I am happy about it. Well, somewhat, very depressing chapter it was even if I feel like it might be a little too condensed.

>> No.18802623

>>18802364
I use shadoward for the opposite of sunward, ie the direction shadows point in

Hence why Shadowwise is one of the options

>> No.18802951

helpes
trying to get back on the writing horse
reading both something old and something new. as for the old that's taken care of
but something new, I need fantasy reccs from 2000s and beyond that aren't garbage
pls

>> No.18803012

>>18790119
Reads like /pol/ Rick and Morty, I don't even have cringe opinions your style of writing is just very MCU zinger-esque. This is a short-form meme take because I'm assuming by your style of writing that you are not going to take any constructive criticism positively but if you'd like me to articulate my issues better I'd be more than happy to.

>> No.18803134

>>18803012
I don't watch Rick and Morty, the burping old scientist annoyed me, and I've only see a few MCU movies before I found out that they weren't for me, but do elaborate

>> No.18803157

>>18791429
(1/2)

Pretty incoherent tbqh, the prose itself is ok I guess but you frequently sacrifice clarity and coherence to phrase things a certain way. It's incredibly disjointed with no real logical flow to it and the number of characters introduced feels like too many for such a short section of text. I'll go section by section and tell you what my thoughts were while reading it, might be helpful for you. I don't want you to get discouraged but my opinion isn't very high.

> The old man died in the main elevator shaft when a hatch failed after he had planted the explosives. The shaft was repaired in three days. The week following Reddi was taken in and reprogrammed and it was only Ally and I, and our revolt was over. We could see it was early spring on the planet then.

What is the old man's name? If the characters trusted him enough to commit acts of terrorism/revolution with I would think that they would know his name, I also fail to see the relevance in the shaft being repaired in three days. Is that supposed to underline the pointlessness of his death? Who is Reddi? "We could see it was early spring on the planet then" is also a very odd sounding sentence, gives the impression that the protagonist is viewing the events on a viewscreen of some sort and inferring details based on information he can see there, rather than drawing upon memory to describe something he was witness to.

> We met in the square often and talked when we were not working. We were never linked to the plot. Still it was strange to be in public together after so long.

Have they not seen each other in a long time or do they meet in the square often on breaks from work? (Also unclear if work in this context supposed to be bombing shit or a day job) Is the situation strange because they're meeting outside of a break from work or has it been a long time since they seen each other at all?

> We talked about everything we could that didn't matter, and she was lovely under the blinking starlight and even the blank fluorescent day-light. She loved to look at Era paintings and spoke breathlessly, touching, bright-eyed at the screen and telling me names I could never remember.

(cont.)

>> No.18803167

>>18803157
>>18791429
(2/2)

So they're under some sort of dome that projects artificial light? I kind of get that impression on a 3rd re-read but I'm still not sure, is the screen mentioned here like a laptop that they're watching their old terrorist buddies get liveleaked on?

> She hated the modern fads and we laughed together until she lay her head on my shoulder on the park bench under starlight glass. Every time we spoke it was under a shadow of the abandonment we had done. We had both believed in it very much and still did but it was over.

Now I'm just really confused, what the fuck is the starlight glass? What is speaking under a shadow of abandonment? Everything is very ambiguous here and I don't get the impression that it was intentional

> She asked me if I thought it could have been done, if we had been luckier, if we had planned better, and I lied pleasantly.

I'm assuming this is referring to the elevator bomb plot, which these two were somehow involved in, but I'm still uncertain whether they were literally watching footage on some sort of device in between looking at Era paintings or what.

> At three in the morning I got up because I had a rendezvous with a Barish captain who would smuggle me in to Collarton, and looking at her on her back thought, what I would give to love her.

Did he fall asleep no a park bench with this girl? I don't even know bruh, I don't mean to shit on you but wtf is going on here.

> What I would do. She stirred and I leaned down to kiss her face, and she said, very quietly without opening her eyes, "See? Anything can happen."
>
> "That's right." I nodded. "Anything can happen."

No objections here other than when it is happening chronologically and where it is happening.

> Her hair was spread on the pillows, colorless black without the day-lights.

I guess it's not on a park bench then, but then where? His apartment? Her apartment? A hotel room near where the Barish captain is picking him up?

> On Collarton there are rumors of war and you can always find a promotion in a war. There are fine whiskeys in the Company storehouse and usually one of the guards will take a bribe to let you in.

Is this character an intelligence agent for a foreign government/whoever the "Company" is, or is he making a statement about the career prospects of the guards?

> She never sent me any letters but I heard word later that she was moved to the platinum mines under Farside.

Was she moved as punishment for being a saboteur? Do they work for some company that that just assigns you wherever they see fit? I don't fucking know and to be entirely honest if I picked this up at a book store there's nothing here that would keep me reading to find out.

>> No.18803302

>start writing, can't get the jokes going
>start working on a video script to review a movie I fucking hate, can't get the jokes going
It's you and me, /wg/. We're stuck at the hip tonight.

>> No.18803422

How many pages should I make the "intended to be skipped" nonsensical monologue in my book? 10 pages?

>> No.18803464

Who the fuck do they think they are? In my four months with this sorry excuse for an S.P.P.R Unit I've done nothing but good, they're up 789 Million Dollars in cost reduction, have doubled their daily case completion, and thanks to yours truly now have a ninety-fucking-eight percent voluntary suspect termination rate. I come here every day of the week and bless these evolutionary accidents with my presence and ask for absolutely nothing in return, absolutely nothing except that they abide by one request. Just last week I sent out an e-mail to every person that works on my floor just last week to make this as simple as it can possibly be.
"RE: Do Not Bug Me Before I've Had My Breakfast

When you see me smoking a Winston I have not had my breakfast. When you see me drinking coffee out of the mug I brought from home I have not had my breakfast. When you see me smoking that second Winston I have still not had my fucking breakfast. My daily routine is the same every day and I would assume that even the natty weekend warriors here would have caught on my now. I smoke my Winston, drink about half my coffee, (not that the quantity of coffee I drink is relevant here) then I smoke my second Winston. After this I am ready for breakfast, I can understand if you don't catch me just as I'm eating breakfast. I would understand if the only way to determine whether or not I've had breakfast was to see me eating breakfast but even unaugmented minds like yours should have noticed after FOUR FUCKING MONTHS that after breakfast I trade my home mug out for styrofoam cups and the Winstons for the completely visually distinct Nat Sherman MCDs.

If that was still too hard to comprehend let me make it very, very simple. If I have my mug in my hand or a white cigarette hanging from my lips and you so much as mouth a word to me I will personally make sure that any perp you bring me not only gets to serve their full sentence and hand-deliver them a briefcase with your address and a loaded gun on the day of their release."
Yet here we are, one week later, and Detective Jacobi decides to bug me as I'm finishing up Winston #2 about convincing some junkie they picked up in connection to a week old robbery to file their self-termination request with the state. He must have thought I was joking, I refuse to believe even somebody as dumb as him could have forgotten that quickly, I'm not going to warn him but I am going to keep my word. I swear to Christ I am going to keep my word; if I have to raid the evidence locker to stop this junkie from asking to off themselves I will do it, maybe then they'll realize I wasn't kidding about not doing my job if they don't abide by my request and Jacobi will see later in life that I wasn't kidding about the gun.

>> No.18803467

>>18803302
Which movie

>> No.18803492

I can't stop writing

>> No.18803493

Who the fuck do they think they are? In my four months with this sorry excuse for an S.P.P.R Unit I've done nothing but good. 789 Million Dollars in cost reduction compared to last quarter, daily case completion has doubled, and thanks to yours truly they now have a ninety-fucking-eight percent voluntary suspect termination rate. I come here every day of the week and bless these evolutionary accidents with my presence and ask for absolutely nothing in return, absolutely nothing except that they abide by one request which was clearly outlined by me when I first started and re-iterated in an e-mail sent to every person in the building just last week.

>RE: Do Not Bug Me Before I've Had My Breakfast

>When you see me smoking a Winston I have not had my breakfast. When you see me drinking coffee out of the mug I brought from home I have not had my breakfast. When you see me smoking that second Winston I have still not had my fucking breakfast. My daily routine is the same every day and I would assume that even the natty weekend warriors here would have caught on my now. I smoke my Winston, drink about half my coffee, (not that the quantity of coffee I drink is relevant here) then I smoke my second Winston. After this I am ready for breakfast, I can understand if you don't catch me just as I'm eating breakfast. I would understand if the only way to determine whether or not I've had breakfast was to see me eating breakfast but even unaugmented minds like yours should have noticed after FOUR FUCKING MONTHS that after breakfast I trade my home mug out for styrofoam cups and the Winstons for the completely visually distinct Nat Sherman MCDs.

>If that was still too hard to comprehend let me make it very, very simple. If I have my mug in my hand or a white cigarette hanging from my lips and you so much as mouth a word to me I will personally make sure that any perp you bring me not only gets to serve their full sentence and hand-deliver them a briefcase with your address and a loaded gun on the day of their release."


Yet here we are one week later, it's only been a week and Detective Jacobi decides to bug me as I'm finishing up Winston #2. He wants me to convince some junkie they picked up in connection to a week old robbery to file their self-termination request with the state. He must have thought I was joking, I refuse to believe even somebody as dumb as him could have forgotten that quickly. I'm not going to warn him but I am going to keep my word. I swear to Christ I am going to keep my word; if I have to raid the evidence locker to stop this junkie from asking to off themselves I'm going to keep my word, maybe then they'll realize I wasn't kidding about not doing my job if they don't abide by my request and Jacobi will see later in life that I wasn't kidding about the gun.

>> No.18803503

>>18803493
whoops, has a few typos but I'm going to delete the post to fix them again. You get the idea.

>> No.18803513

>>18789834
>>This Craft of Verse, Borges
What a shitshow, Borges is an absolute brainlet and he talks about poetry like a basedboy excited about his new Switch

>> No.18803529

>>18803467
Green Knight

>> No.18803573

>>18803493
This was tight. It feels like you're going for an absurd angle of exaggeration; the only comparison I can think of is American Psycho where Bateman cares so much about the tiniest machismo slights in his very aggressive office job. If you weren't, it still reads nicely.

>> No.18803610

>>18803573
That was the idea, Christian Bale's performance in the film adaptation always reminded of Data from Star Trek and I've had the idea for a story told from the perspective of a detective in a society that had a universal "right to suicide" affirmed kicking around for years, the idea being that it's cheaper and easier for the state to have perps kill themselves than to have them go to trial (kind of a fucked up sci fi version of how plea deals are used today).

I've tried writing it in a few different ways but the only way that's felt right so far is this android/genetically engineered sociopath cop angle, nobody else would realistically want to do that job for any length of time.

>> No.18803622

>>18803492
How do I get this problem

>> No.18803659

>>18803610
I'm curious about it now. Are you aiming for a commentary or message of some kind or did you just want an over the top gritty main character? From the reply I'd guess the former.

>> No.18803725

>>18803422
Two pages at most, and that's pushing it. Assume that at least half of your readers will read it all. You don't want them to remember your book for a long pointless section they regret reading.

>> No.18803738

>>18803422
Why would you even include that in the first place?

>> No.18803777

>>18803622
regular self administered intravaneous injections of anime

>> No.18803782

>>18803738
For kicks. It's intended to be skipped. Up until now the character (on team B) has barely said a word and team A keeps wondering why everyone keeps trying to hush him up when he starts to speak. Then an idiot on team A lets him basically filibuster and the character monologues senselessly for X pages until he's finally interrupted.

>> No.18803787

>>18803738
>doesn't want to emulate Ayn Rand
ngmi

>> No.18803788

>>18803777
but anime makes my writing bad

>> No.18803811

>>18803659
Somewhat, I do think that our justice system is a little overzealous in many regards and uses a lot of tactics antithetical to being fair or equitable to people suspected of crimes. Obviously I don't think it's as bad as the justice system in my book by any means but all of my favorite sci-fi takes inspiration from some aspect of the society that the author either approves of (ala Starship Troopers and Heinlein's view on military service) or disapproves of (Brave New World, 1984, etc), and exaggerates that single aspect of the society, extrapolating out the rest of the universe/lore from there.

I don't intend to write a propaganda piece or anything and don't intend for it to just be a thinly veiled critique of the American justice system at this current moment in time, I feel like that sort of writing ages very poorly and isn't enjoyable unless you wholeheartedly share all the views of the author. I just used plea deals as the jumping off point, I would still want the book to primarily be about the characters that exist inside of the world rather than the world itself.

>> No.18803818

>>18803788
>t.never writes.

>> No.18803819

>>18803811
To add to this, it's more important to me that the reader sees themselves when they've been frustrated by some petty thing at work or a horrible boss in the main character's petty manipulations and grudges than it is that they think "plea deal bad"

>> No.18803835

>>18803782
You're not Lemony Snicket, you don't get to fill 3 pages with black ink to symbolize a character falling down an elevator shaft.
An unbroken paragraph spanning most of an entire page being interrupted before the page break is more than enough.

>> No.18803851

>>18789844
It's more reminiscent of steampunk. Cringe but ultimately harmless.

>> No.18803865

>>18803492
POST IT
DO IT

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