/wg/ - Writing General

[Anonymous No.18860292]

Brought Back by That Same Bong Edition

How is your daily writing going? You are writing daily, yes?

For Prose:
>The Art of Fiction
>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft
>On Writing, Borges

For Poetry:
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges

Related Material:
>What Editors Do
>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar
>Garner's Modern English Usage

Suggested books on storytelling:
>The Weekend Novelist
>Aristotle's Poetics
>Hero With a Thousand Faces
>Romance the Beat

Traditional publishing
> Formatting manuscript
https://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-format/
> Write a query
https://www.janefriedman.com/query-letters/
> Track your query
https://querytracker.net/

Other Resources
>General grammar/syntax/editing help
https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/purdue_owl.html
> When/where/how should I write?
https://jamesclear.com/daily-routines-writers
> What software should I write with?
https://self-publishingschool.com/book-writing-software-best/
> Amazon Publishing to make that KDP monie
https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200635650
> Be like Charles Dickens and write serially
https://www.royalroad.com/
> Basic overview of the Screenplay format
https://screenwriting.info/

[Anonymous No.18860318]

Imagine if you wrote one page a day, during the workdays from Monday to Friday. That's 260 pages a year. That's a book.

Writing one page a day to accomplish your dream? What's stopping you?

[Anonymous No.18860350]

>>18860318
Nothing but myself desu. I'm bad with consistency but I want to change, and I have a lot of hobbies that I enjoy besides writing. But I've finished 3 books so far and I know I write best at night, so at least I know where I'm at.

[Anonymous No.18860366]

Are faggots still trying to force this general even though it’s dead at this point?

[Anonymous No.18860375]

>>18860318
>Writing one page a day to accomplish your dream?
The fact a page as a measurement means nothing to me and what it probably is in terms of word length is so minuscule that I would feel like I have accomplished nothing even in the short term. I prefer to do word amounts per weekday, 2k, 10k a week in total.

[Anonymous No.18860445]

>>18860292
>How is your daily writing going? You are writing daily, yes?
taking a month's hiatus from writing.

[Anonymous No.18860519]

First half of Chapter 17.

https://pastebin.com/LtuyLBgQ

[Anonymous No.18860541]

>>18860519
>https://pastebin.com/LtuyLBgQ
Great flow!
GO GO GO!

[Anonymous No.18860573]

>>18860541
Thanks

[Anonymous No.18860606]

Anyone tried out Jerry Jenkins's self-editor master class? Would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.18860622]

>>18860541
Seek help Jason.

[Anonymous No.18861211]

>>18860519
>First half of Chapter 17.
The worst kind of literary blue ball to be entirely honest.

[Anonymous No.18861221]

>>18860445
How come?

[Anonymous No.18861312]

>>18861211
So you hated it?

[Anonymous No.18861316]

>>18861312
No, never read it as I don't like Pastebin, what I do hate is that it is only half a chapter.

Chapter should be posted when they are done :(

[Anonymous No.18861334]

>>18861316
I would reassure you with the idea that the rest will be posted tomorrow, but since you won't read it anyway I won't bother.

[Anonymous No.18861340]

>>18861334
You never intended to finish anyways.

[Anonymous No.18861349]

>>18861334
>I would reassure you
>rest will be posted tomorrow
>I won't bother.

[Anonymous No.18861373]

>>18860318
This makes it sound way too linear
What about revisions or things you wrote before that dont work with where you discovered the story should go

[Anonymous No.18861390]

>>18861373
You rewrite it as the first go would have been your first draft.

[Anonymous No.18861408]

>>18861340
I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.18861414]

>>18860318
>Writing one page a day to accomplish your dream? What's stopping you?
I'm still outlining

[Anonymous No.18861422]

Hey anons. I'm finally at the point where I'm ready to start writing properly. I have started and abandoned a number of writing projects, but after focusing on some smaller pieces first and working out a really solid plan I think I have enough for a full novel this time.

I've began piecing together rough drafts for the first few chapters (really rough, just enough for me to expand later) and I'm really happy with how it's going

Anyone have any suggestions for this stage? So far what's helped has been making a solid plan, working out characters and their goals/desires, not forcing myself to work strictly linearly, and not editing too much as I go, which was slowing me down. Any other suggestions?

[Anonymous No.18861441]

>>18861422
>I'm finally at the point where I'm ready to start writing properly.
Based and good luck.

>>18861422
>Any other suggestions?
Just write a first draft is what has helped me, it gives you an idea of what it might turn out like and you can redo it later if you want certain concepts to be more present. For example, I rewrote the first chap of my 1st Vol because I wanted it to emphasise one of the character's self-doubt more. Something that I thought did not exist too much in the first version.

[Anonymous No.18861462]

>>18861408
Why when you won’t bother.

[Anonymous No.18861494]

>>18861221
Been writing every single week since April 2020 and was having signs of burnout around January/Feb 2021 but pressed on. The burnout got worse I felt, and by June I struggled really hard in finishing the second volume. I made it a goal to reach that point and rest for August/September so I could recover a bit. And I am, and I get to play vidya and read/watch stuff without a sense of guilt.

[Anonymous No.18861503]

>>18861494
>Been writing every single week since April 2020
Based, never been able to do that as about that time I was still sorting out how much I would try and do in a day and other issues kept cropping up.

>having signs of burnout around January/Feb 2021 but pressed on. The burnout got worse I felt, and by June I struggled really hard in finishing the second volume
Fair.

>>18861494
>I made it a goal to reach that point and rest for August/September so I could recover a bit.
Even baser.
>>18861494
>And I am, and I get to play vidya and read/watch stuff without a sense of guilt.
Well done for reaching your goal, but for me, I don't think I could ever do that, since I got my writing patterns down I have hated non-productive time usage. I still play and watch things, but now I treat them as a reward rather than just something to do. Either way, hope you get back to writing soon and don't burn yourself out again.

[Anonymous No.18861662]

>>18860375
A page is roughly 275 words. 275 words a day. That's like what, three tweets? Can you post three tweets a day? Anyone can make it.

[Anonymous No.18861805]

>>18860519
>https://pastebin.com/LtuyLBgQ

pretty good

[Anonymous No.18861812]

>>18861662
>Anyone can make it.
No they can’t. Stop perpetuating this shit.

[Anonymous No.18861819]

>>18861812
You're right. Let me rephrase that. Anyone can make it they're not needlessly bringing others down. So in time, once you become more positive you can make it too, Anon.

[Anonymous No.18861847]

>>18860366
Seek help

[Anonymous No.18861857]

Jk-sama, if you're around, thanks for always leaving a comment on my story on RR, even though I update very infrequently. I'm probably gonna delete it and rewrite some portions, but knowing at least one person was actively reading was a good feeling. You rock.

[Anonymous No.18861905]

>>18861857
It's a good feeling indeed, good luck on the rewrites

[Anonymous No.18862096]

>>18861805
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.18862131]

>>18861819
Seek help

[Anonymous No.18862343]

>>18861494
I decided to take a break for a week because of burn-out, and that break's extended to a month and I've lost my rhythm.
Anyone have any advice for getting my motivation back?

[Anonymous No.18862353]

>>18861462
shut up projecting cunt

[Anonymous No.18862376]

>>18862353
How is it projection if he admit to it?

[Anonymous No.18862473]

You will never be a real writer. You have no talent, you have no imagination, you have no insight. You are a pretentious man twisted by greed and vanity into a crude mockery of literary aspirations.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your tedious attempts to be witty behind closed doors.

Readers are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of analysis have allowed critics to sniff out pseuds with incredible efficiency. Even hacks who “sell” seem uncanny and unnatural to a reader. Your sentence structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a contract, the audience will toss your book in the trash the second they get a glance at your stilted, awkward prose.

You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it just needs a little more editing before you can start looking for an agent, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and pull a DFW. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to tell you that your latest story was "good, but don't you think you should start getting serious about your future?" They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and no passerby for the rest of eternity will ever know that you used to refer to yourself with two first initials. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a self-pub that is unmistakably cringe.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

[Anonymous No.18862590]

>>18862473
Agreed. Now excuse me while I finish my manuscript.

[Anonymous No.18862595]

>>18862473
t-trannybros...
now I know how it feels...
y-you are a real woman

[Anonymous No.18862596]

>>18862473
Imagine writing to share it with people KEKW

[Anonymous No.18862606]

>>18862473
>>18862595
>>18862596
cute samefaggotry.

[Anonymous No.18862610]

>>18862131
Nah he's right. Anyone can make it as long as they do what must be done.
>>18862606
whatever fag

[Anonymous No.18862616]

>>18860292
Sometimes I don't have the motivation to write. I have the ideas and all, I have a girl who reads everything I write, and I also publish it in a small website where I receive praise and critique.
How do I know where the problem is?

[Anonymous No.18862820]

>>18860292
What do you snack on / drink when you write? I got tea and a trail nut mix to chew on.

[Anonymous No.18862858]

>>18862473
I feel this post in my soul. I know someone, somewhere, must be criticising my writing and even wanting me to fail. Anons, goodb

[Anonymous No.18863022]

>>18860292
Am I the only one who can't think of plots?

I know the more common situation is having many ideas but no skill to write. I'm actually a good writer (won some awards in college), but I can't think of any ideas that interest me. Maybe I'm just being overly critical, but every time I come up with half an idea I think it's stupid an hour later and throw it away

[Anonymous No.18863633]

>>18863022
Most times I don't come up with plots at all. I come up with scenarios I like and start writing what happens next. Being said, I have 2 active stories and close to 12 or 15 stories in permanent hold status. I don't think it's unusual.

[Anonymous No.18863692]

>>18863022
Think about what you want the story to represent or "mean" and then try think of a plot that expresses this purpose in an elegant and detailed way

[Anonymous No.18863912]

>>18861662
What an insignificant amount to write per day... Write more!

[Anonymous No.18863928]

>>18862473
Yes...And?

[Anonymous No.18864046]

How do you guys feel about changing between character names in a story?

I refer to my protagonist with different names in different passages lol

[Anonymous No.18864093]

>>18864046
My MC is unnamed as a running joke. Everytime he tries to tell someone his name either he gets cut off or a nickname is used by someone else.

[Anonymous No.18864141]

>>18864093
My guy has a codename and his real name, i switch between them depending on the situation

Its like two personas, but not really

[Anonymous No.18864146]

>>18860318
I already have a book. I'm waiting a week before I start editing it to build distance. I'll start next Saturday.
Should I write something else while I wait?

[Anonymous No.18864261]

How long should a prologue be?

I feel like im giving away too much at once, but im not sure if some of the things that im bringing up are going to be fit in later into the story

[Anonymous No.18864289]

>>18864261
Make it shorter than a regular chapter. That will force you to focus.

[Anonymous No.18864355]

>>18864046
I do it sometimes, one character nativised his name for personal reasons while another just refers to his body while a recently introduced character likes nicknames for days with him.

>>18864261
>How long should a prologue be?
I find that usually half the main chapters does it for me. So about 5k most of the time with it sometimes going to 6k. Barring the very first prologue I did which was nearly 8k iirc but I was fine with it as it was the very start of my series of books so it had a lot more to do.

And for the real reason I came here, I have finished my daily 2k and now have a total of 4028 words for the next chap.

[Anonymous No.18864395]

>>18864046
I use placeholder names that I'll change in the final draft if I ever get there. I currently have characters with name like Mulder, Scully, Captain Crunch, Supertramp, and Witchy Woman.

[Anonymous No.18864403]

>>18864355
My writing is pretty shit desu, im making a lot of stuff as i go along

I want the story to have like a really suffocating, claustrophobic and druggy feeling but its kinda hard to convey it through text

I often feel that the story im trying to tell would be better in a visual format but oh well

>>18864395
Sounds cool, i don't usually think too much about my character names.

[Anonymous No.18864424]

Hello anons, I’m the guy that first started telling everyone else to seek help. I’m going to go seek help now, wish me luck! I am seeking help now!

[Anonymous No.18864505]

>>18864403
>I often feel that the story im trying to tell would be better in a visual format but oh well
Same. But I have very little skills for screenwriting and even less in film theory. Plus I'd have to get a lot of high quality equipment if I wanted to shoot anything. It's easier to confine things to a page.

[Anonymous No.18864701]

>>18860292
Is there a free software/website where I can write a private wiki so I can have a good way to store my book's lore?

[Anonymous No.18864730]

>tfw I'll never write as emotionally honest or elicit feels as effectively as Anno

I just have to come to terms with the fact that I'm not a real creative. The words I write are for pleadings, not for readings.

[Anonymous No.18864747]

>>18864701
Look up Obsidian. It makes a network of your different pages and makes linking them together super easy.

[Anonymous No.18864817]

>WHEN
>THE
>HE
>(CHARACTER NAME)

I cant escape the loop

[Anonymous No.18864838]

>>18864817
>WHEN
When his post showed up on the screen I realized I had wasted too much time here today already.
>THE
The clock didn’t even say noon yet and I was already seeking sympathy from other anons.
>HE
He probably didn’t even mean it, seeing as the whole post was a set up based on his repetitious writing style.
>(CHARACTER NAME)
Anon, I’m sorry.

[Anonymous No.18864959]

>>18864747
Thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.18865196]

>>18864959
Sure thing, it's pretty fun to use too!

Now tell me what the running theme between Eva, Infinite Jest, and folk punk is (other than they all made me cry) and I will start writing again.

[Anonymous No.18865214]

>>18865196
Daddy issues

[Anonymous No.18865228]

>>18865214
Huh. You’re right. I always said dad stands for death abandonment divorce. I’ve been acutely aware of my daddy issues, but I guess it’s a blind spot when it comes to the media I consume. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.18865253]

>>18861414
How does one escape outlining limbo?

[Anonymous No.18865261]

>>18865253
I did a minimal outline for my story and im just making it up as i go along

It feels like chopping meat but what can you do

[Anonymous No.18865267]

>>18865253
By seeking help

[Anonymous No.18865296]

Chapter 17
https://pastebin.com/LtuyLBgQ

[Anonymous No.18865306]

>>18865296
>The pursuit was short-lived, for our commander of cavalry
Stopped reading.

[Anonymous No.18865349]

Shilling the /wg/ discord everytime the shizo posts seek help. Its a general writing server with no strict rules other than no psueds, shizos, or trannies allowed.
https://discord.gg/yQgtPRRbpb

[Anonymous No.18865360]

>>18865349
This server has one member.

[Anonymous No.18865362]

>>18865360
I just made it.

[Anonymous No.18865365]

>>18865349
>DiscordTrannie
The absolute state of /wg/.

[Anonymous No.18865385]

>>18865365
>t.
>the real bros discord

[Anonymous No.18865403]

>>18864403
>I want the story to have like a really suffocating, claustrophobic
According to one person I apparently do that quite well, not sure how, though. I just sort of write without putting much thought into it beyond how the characters act and if a pothole has potentially formed.

[Anonymous No.18865411]

>>18862616
I find that if i’m not inspired, it makes no sense to write. Hence no motivation. There’s no question of motivation. If do write uninspired, it’s vapid and no good. If i find no inspiration, i find it’s better to do research, read nonfiction, to go out and observe people and the world, to watch clouds go by, maybe even do nothing or meditate. Still keeping gear near to start writing when the time comes. Forcing it never seems to work.

[Anonymous No.18865412]

>>18864817
Like... like sentence starters?

[Anonymous No.18865413]

>>18865385
Go from children you sick fuck.

[Anonymous No.18865416]

>>18865403
Even your post does it well. It's so object/action derived that it has no space to breath at all. It is just your thought shot out. Pretty neat.

[Anonymous No.18865438]

>>18865416
I am both smiling in embarrassment and nodding in understanding as I learn to see the post from a new angle.

[Anonymous No.18865451]

>>18865349
>Discord
What happened to this place.

[Anonymous No.18865462]

>>18865403
Im jealous, thought i have more success with other types of stories i guess

>>18865412
they just get repetitive for me

[Anonymous No.18865483]

>>18860292
What do you all think of this passage, anons?

The "idealistic" philosophy of freedom supplements and ennobles the "materialistic" philosophy which it presupposes in the very act of negating it. The brain which can transform the political matter soon learns to think of the transformation of every matter or of the conquest of nature. The charm of competence bewitches completely first a few great men and then whole nations and indeed as it were the whole human race. Yet before that grand revolt or emancipation can get under way, the hold which the old modes and orders have over the minds of almost all men must be broken. It cannot be broken by frontal assault, for there does not yet exist an army which has sworn to the new modes and orders. Therefore a most subtle rhetoric is still needed for recruiting the highest officers or the general staff of the new army. The new philosophy lives from the outset in the hope which approaches or equals certainty, of future conquest or of conquest of the future-in the anticipation of an epoch in which the truth will reign, if not in the minds of all men, at any rate in the institutions which mold them. Propaganda is to guarantee the coincidence of philosophy and political power. Philosophy is to fulfill the function of both philosophy and religion.

[Anonymous No.18865484]

Are there any books (or other sources) on writing that aren't solely focused on narrative and character. They all seen to be about how to drive your story forward, or how to wrote compelling characters, but very few on the more (for want of a better term) "artsy", or maybe technical aspects of writing. You know, the stuff that takes you beyond writing stories and into writing "Literature"? Or even just stuff on how to read/analyse the more literary wiring?

[Anonymous No.18865491]

>>18865484
No

[Anonymous No.18865507]

>>18865462
>i have more success with other types of stories i guess
Good luck with that, personally, I just write something because I wanna see it be done or I like the idea. Never been too concerned about "success" as it were, but, admittedly, I have had my mood fouled by a lack of reception on several cases. But, I think I am doing well enough to just be happy with what I get and rely more on myself for the immediate future.

>>18865484
>or maybe technical aspects of writing.
So... A course/class in how things like similes, adjectives and so on work?

[Anonymous No.18865531]

>>18865507
No, more advanced than that I think. Like in interviews with people like martin amis, or dfw (inb4 they're both trash) or really any well respected modern(ish) author, they talk about the technical act of writing, or calling attention to it, or playing with it, but I don't really know what they mean. Like most really well known authors of the modern era get praised for more than just the story or characters, but it send to go a bit beyond "they write gud" . So maybe all the stuff you mentioned, but probably more theoretical than "this is a simile"

[Anonymous No.18865533]

>>18865484
You gotta know the rules to break them, anon. Don't make me have to write that trite cliché shit brah.

[Anonymous No.18865550]

>>18860292
>How is your daily writing going? You are writing daily, yes?
For 39 days now I have written and uploaded a 2k word chapter to my webnovel without break and without pre-writing. On top of that, I've written 8.6k of sci-fi kino

I'm about to finish the webnovel though, 7 more chapters tops

What I'd like to do is a manuscript exchage with someone so I can tune up my other manuscript for self-publishing

[Anonymous No.18865613]

>>18865484
I’m yet to find a good book how to actually make a believable fucking fictional character. It’s all the same shit:
>woo he’s got to have goals
>woo he’s got to have emotions
>woo he’s got to have a mental scar that’s being remedied by the end of the book
Then there’s this genre of guidebooks that makes you have list of your fictional characters family tree, what they eat, do they prefer cohocolate icecream before strawberry, what was his dogs name. There is never a guide that tells me how to actually make a character or maybe i’m just missing shit here. Just a rant.

[Anonymous No.18865636]

>>18865613
a good character is in the eye of the beholder, so the first step is to write a character that you think is good and then hope others share your tastes. for most people here that is very doubtful because we are all sick people.

[Anonymous No.18865712]

>>18865613
Think about any of your friends or family.
Focus on one of them.
What makes that person interesting?
Why do you like talking to them?
Why do you like being around them?
What about their perspective on the world makes them interesting to you?
What makes them not an NPC in your eyes?
How did that person become the person you like? Environment? History? Family?

What makes your boring ass best friend compelling? Your friend that is going to die without anyone remembering who they are 100 years from now. That guy, that guy that only interests you and a few other people. That guy is compelling enough for you to give them attention instead of playing more video games or killing yourself. Why?

And once you figure out why that guy is compelling to you, next ask the question, how did you come to the point of what constitutes compelling to you? Why are you compelled? What system of events or occurrences has led us to the end result of you being compelled?

[Anonymous No.18865722]

>>18865636
There is a quote from Hayao Miyazaki that laments how anime industry is full of people who don’t dare to look people in the eye. There’s a breeze in this. Maybe a writer cannot make better character than he is or at best it’s an idealization. It’s actually very rare to read a book, first person even, where other characters faces are fully rendered. Plot may be fantastic and fresh, the work has a meaning but character don’t have faces.
To anyone that has read a lot: mention a one good work that renders characters faces and body language eloquently.

[Anonymous No.18865750]

>>18865722
Infinite jest
https://youtu.be/_B7zi9TH6GU

[Anonymous No.18865849]

>>18865712
This is better advice than most actual books on fictional characters would ever give. It seems like an approach that a biography writer would take. And to think that fiction writer could very well slide that same approach to the fictional realm…that would be instant third person. Make it autobiographical and it would be first person. TY good sir. I can already feel my writer’s blocks crumbling.

[Anonymous No.18865923]

>>18865849
I'm glad I could help. I've found myself asking these questions more and more recently as I've focused on what feelings a given piece of media leaves me with. There's this particular, compelling longing sorrow I get sometimes when I finish something, and I've noticed that the feeling comes from things that are long, but also the feeling changes when those things have characters with "depth". This combination of the escapism finally ending and the connection with that character ending leaves me happy and sad and alone and together all at the same time. A bittersweet release. And I started wondering why. Why did I get this feeling only sometimes? Sometimes the media wasn't even good by objective standards (these shows do more with the engagement of raging against the writing and participating in my own creation) and sometimes it was one of the greatest pieces of work in the medium. It is this level of feeling that I believe art is supposed to make the person consuming it feel. But because our entire perspective of the world is subjective, it's not like I can ask another person about this weird feeling I can barely describe without seeming like an overly emotional lush.

Anyway, the point is that these experiences have led me to really question what makes characters compelling and why that is more impactful than a book based more on plot and world building. How "literature" is so many times defined by it's characters and the human condition as opposed to the fun enjoyment of a science fiction pulp novel.

[Anonymous No.18866134]

>>18865923
Bump. Anyone else know this feel? Anyone been able to elicit this feel out of their readers?

[Anonymous No.18866397]

I keep hopping between story ideas i cannot stop and finish anything HELP

[Anonymous No.18866409]

>>18866397
outline

[Anonymous No.18866410]

>>18866397
If that’s your most effective way to write, time wise, try to push yourself into a rotation where you are working on like 3-5 stories at once and you do a little of each of them productively. Even if it doesn’t feel like as much progress the fact is that it’s better than forcing yourself to work on one story and you just don’t do anything on it because your brain is telling you to work on something else.

[Anonymous No.18866427]

>>18866409
i got them

>>18866410
Gonna try this again thanks

[Anonymous No.18866438]

>>18860292
Recently got inspired to get back to writing after almost 6 months of not lifting a finger. Last time I was able to write about 500 lines of verse within two weeks and I hope this time i'll write more.

[Anonymous No.18866450]

>>18862473
>They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and no passerby for the rest of eternity will ever know that you used to refer to yourself with two first initials.
Actually laughed out loud at this

[Anonymous No.18866512]

>>18865923
>How "literature" is so many times defined by it's characters and the human condition as opposed to the fun enjoyment of a science fiction pulp novel.

See, I the "literature" that I often find myself intensely disliking - and frankly, a huge amount of literary fiction falls into this category - feels like the characters are more like caricatures, where they feel assembled as a completely unrealistic smattering of slightly too quirky characteristics that serve more to tie in to the themes of the novel than to actually feel like a real person.

That or literary fiction authors move in vastly different circles to me and these people do actually exist

[Anonymous No.18866525]

>>18865550
>For 39 days now I have written and uploaded a 2k word chapter
Exceptionally based.

>>18865550
>On top of that, I've written 8.6k of sci-fi kino
Noice.

Well done.

[Anonymous No.18866527]

>>18865722
I prefer to skip lengthy descriptions about my characters and stick to things like tall, short, wide, long or short hair, and use the right verbs to describe how they move, stand, talk, and react. I think it gives a clearer picture of characters than 2 paragraphs of descriptives I'd skip even in editing

[Anonymous No.18866531]

>>18865196
I've been using using it for few hours and it's really great. Is there a shortcut to open a file without opening a new pane?

[Anonymous No.18866548]

>>18866134
>Anyone been able to elicit this feel out of their readers?
I often find myself crying when I am thinking of certain situations for characters. Is that what you mean? Admittedly, I might be biased towards my characters as I made them.

>>18866397
Just focus and write on the one that holds the most meaning to you or do a bit of all until your mind settles. That is what I do.

[Anonymous No.18866560]

>>18866531
ctrl+n makes a new file in the pane you are currently selected in.
You can split a pane and then open another one from the right.
ctrl shift click of a link opens the link in a new pane.
>>18866512
Many of the things that I am talking about this feeling are, themselves, not traditional literature realism. They are science fiction or some variety thereof, but the thing is that the science fiction is used to the benefit of the characters, not the other way around. But I agree, so many things I've read or seen have flat or too straightforward architypes of characters.

[Anonymous No.18866588]

>>18866134
I got this feel out of my beta readers (my sister and my friend). All I did was put characters through a normal routine without following the trite "hero's journey" cycle to a T.
>>18866512
Same here. When I read a book or watch a movie with breathing characters that makes me feel like I'm reading/watching a documentary of someone's actual life, or the characters don't "feel" like characters but feel like organic people reacting and responding to stimulus, I always love it.

[Anonymous No.18866826]

Beginner here. Any tips for writing action scenes?

[Anonymous No.18866842]

>>18866826
Try not to get too technical with them word wise unless it is a slow and methodical fight and such. Otherwise, you'd want quick and sudden wording and sentences. But, if you want it to come across as a real bloody piece of action, make sure to describe how they react to each moment.

[Anonymous No.18866890]

>>18860318
I hate everything I write.

[Anonymous No.18867081]

>>18866890
Seek help

[Anonymous No.18867091]

>>18866826
I think the best advice I read was remember that fights don't just happen in blank voids, there's terrain. Dirt can be kicked up, windows can be smashed, cover can be used. A character can even obtain the high ground.

So really, take in consideration where the action is happening, and if the characters can use it to the advantage or if it brings any disadvantages

[Anonymous No.18867098]

>>18866826
make em snappy

[Anonymous No.18867139]

Please help me.
I am a lot worse than before. I write like a teenage girl, prose is shit, only action, like some retarded light novels.
I am dying inside.

[Anonymous No.18867157]

Shilling the /wg/ discord everytime the shizo posts seek help. Its a general writing server with no strict rules other than no psueds, shizos, or trannies allowed.
https://discord.gg/yQgtPRRbpb

[Anonymous No.18867268]

>>18867139
>Please help me.
What do you need help with?

[Anonymous No.18867397]

What would you say to someone who has all the technical ability to write a best-selling fiction novel but is unable to, because they have no story to tell? Everything they try to write trickles off when they hit ten pages. Is it to outline? What if they just feel absolutely nothing, if they have nothing to say?

[Anonymous No.18867419]

>>18867139
You know what to do.
Post.
Your.
Writing.
Nigga no one here particularly cares if you're bad. It's shitposting, usually. If you want to fucking improve, post your shit, get crapped on and work at it. I sometimes really hate how hugbox-y posts here can get but this is a freebie for you. The best writers in the world struggled and were weak writers once a long time ago. There isn't anything you're doing now that can't be fixed. It's not shameful to be a bad writer. Staying a bad writer is shameful. Buck up and post something. Maybe it's not as bad as you think it is.

[Anonymous No.18867438]

>>18867419
>Buck up
What ever gave you the impression he was black?

[Anonymous No.18867480]

>>18867397
>What would you say to someone who has all the technical ability to write a best-selling fiction novel but is unable to, because they have no story to tell?
Everyone's got a story to tell. Most people have hundreds. Just a matter of finding which project makes the writer most excited.
>Everything they try to write trickles off when they hit ten pages. Is it to outline?
It's disinterest. Shelve it and think of another idea, no big deal. I do this all the time. There'll be one idea that'll hit you so hard it'll knock your teeth out. Taking inspiration from personal life helps too.
>What if they just feel absolutely nothing, if they have nothing to say?
>if they have nothing to say?
I would say, is it actually important for you to have something to say at this moment? Do you need to write you 1152 page critique on modern society full of nuance, vigor, and life experience you don't have yet?

[Anonymous No.18867488]

>>18867157
Seek help

[Anonymous No.18867588]

>>18867157
The absolute state of /wg/. When did this place become such a hugbox?

[Anonymous No.18867644]

>>18867588
>https://discord.gg/yQgtPRRbpb
Would you rather have nightly arguments about flat earth and christianity?

[Anonymous No.18867681]

>>18867644
Do people here actually expect any sort of help here? Wouldn’t it be better to go to a writer forum.

[Anonymous No.18867791]

>>18867681
Why would I go anywhere for help on writing? No one on the internet knows what they're talking about.

[Anonymous No.18867804]

>>18867791
>No one knows what they're talking about.
Extrapolate this to the entire world, for everything. Don't forget to get your death jabs goy

[Anonymous No.18867818]

>>18867804
There's nothing wrong with taking the vaccine.

[Anonymous No.18867934]

I have been feeling recently a general sense of malaise; a lack of vitality; a sort of void of purpose, of feeling as if somehow I am not really connected to the body through whose senses I perceive the world. I don't feel alive. A walking husk, attempting to keep up with the playbook -- the precedent for action -- left to it by the animated being who once inhabited and controlled the muscles and sinews now left behind.

[Anonymous No.18867938]

>>18867934
Seek help

[Anonymous No.18867947]

Blood filled Nasir’s palm as he cupped his mouth. And the salty station air clenched his nose. While his attackers ran like raccoons back onto the street. He needed to call Raheem but his phone had been stolen. “Ayy man, are you alright?” an older voice asked, approaching from the benches. “Oh damn brotha, they messed you up, you need to go to the hospital!” it said, standing above him now, but he didn’t reply. The man pulled Nasir up off the ground and sat him right. Their eyes met and he almost cried in embarrassment. “I’m sorry, please don’t worry, I just—” the words fell like crumbs onto the empty floor. His voice was battered too. “Now hold on, lemme go to the bathroom and get a tissue or somethin’ to clean you up.” The man rubbed his shoulder assuringly and hobbled there.

Nasir figured he could die in the Newark Broad Street station without complaints. He’d blend in with the men slouched on the benches, strange odors were common, so what difference would a corpse make? He lay on his side, waiting to decompose like a rotten apple in soil. But the clack of boots coming up the stairs distracted him. It was a police officer.

“Alright now I need you all to start getting up, it’s 10 o’clock.” he announced. And the men slowly started to unroll from their slumps. Others were drawn out of the bathroom, including the old man who tried to help. He pointed Nasir out, saying that he was hurt and needed medical attention. The officer wanted to ignore him, concerns like this were the same as mosquitos on his leg. But he knew there’d be trouble if he acted on it with them watching.

[Anonymous No.18868001]

Fool Spaniard pride, anointing

[Anonymous No.18868045]

https://pastebin.com/wCUyzuPm

[Anonymous No.18868054]

>>18867419
>thinks it’s a hugbox to remain civil
>posts Black Clover
You have to be over 18 to post here

[Anonymous No.18868062]

I feel like I’m sapped of ideas and the more I try to force myself to come up with something, the less I feel able to come up with something.

[Anonymous No.18868090]

>>18867818
taking a 'vaccine' that doesn't actually vaccinate has got to be the dumbest decision anyone could make.

[Anonymous No.18868169]

Shilling the /wg/ discord everytime the shizo posts seek help. Its a general writing server with no strict rules other than no psueds, shizos, or trannies allowed.
https://discord.gg/yQgtPRRbpb

[Anonymous No.18868382]

>>18860292
Ive been tossing around an idea for a schlocky neo noir novella but I never get past the first few pages because im afriad if i release it online itll get ripped to shreds and ill turn into a lolcow

[Anonymous No.18868393]

>>18868382
To describe it better I mainly want it to be similar to books old businessmen pick up in the airport and use as self insert escapism

[Anonymous No.18868427]

>>18868382
get over yourself. Everyone's writing is shit, until they improve, and then it's still shit until they keep improving until it's passable

[Anonymous No.18868438]

>>18868169
Seek help

[Anonymous No.18868444]

>>18868090
Enjoy getting sick.

[Anonymous No.18868452]

>>18868444
already did, no lingering symptoms, have the natural immunity. Checkmate, LIBTARD xDDD

[Anonymous No.18868460]

>>18868452
Yeah, okay.

[Anonymous No.18868568]

>>18865483
Too try hard-ish.

[Anonymous No.18868572]

>>18868452
Are people this stupid?

[Anonymous No.18868591]

>>18868572
explain

[Anonymous No.18868595]

>>18868591
COVID-19 affects different people in different ways.

[Anonymous No.18868609]

>>18868595
Ok. What does that matter re:natural immunity?

[Anonymous No.18868986]

>>18868062
If I give you a story idea, will you write it for me? I promise it's good, not erotica or anything

[Anonymous No.18868992]

>>18868609
Can’t you get a mutated strain again? The point of the vaccine is to lessen the rate of hospitalisation and death, not stop COVID-19 completely.

[Anonymous No.18868998]

>>18868986
No, write your own shit, and stop being pathetic.

[Anonymous No.18869087]

>>18867419
But I do not write in English, anon. Do you still want me to post my writing? I cannot get critique online. And my language's writing boards are filled with literal teenagers and fantasy scifi retards.

[Anonymous No.18869096]

>>18868444
>Enjoy getting sick.
Newsflash, you can and will get sick even with the vax, and what little protection it gives wears off in less than a year. But this isn't /wg/

[Anonymous No.18869351]

>>18862473
Good but next time in 50 words or less.

[Anonymous No.18869360]

>>18869351
>I can’t read more than 50 words!
Yet you’re in a writing general… curious.

[Anonymous No.18869367]

>>18869087
What's your first language?

[Anonymous No.18869380]

Hi, this is the start of a short story I’m writing. Any critique would be appreciated.

Over the dappled shadows of the tree branches cast in the street lamp light, I caught glimpses of my shadow walking. It was late Tuesday night, and I ambled along the deserted street. The night was cool, though occasionally made chilly by the wind: when the wind blew I tucked my chin, stuck my hands into my pockets, and shivered. Reaching a road I began to cross, and because it was empty I stopped in its centre. I looked both ways. To my right the road gently inclined upwards, and to my left it declined. A pair of headlights appeared in the distance. Apart from those approaching headlights, the lamps shone, and a few storefronts were alight. A cold wind blew at my back and down the road. I stared up at the few pinpricks of starlight in the sky. I counted twelve stars, then counting again I reached eleven. The twelfth had actually been a plane, or maybe satellite. That false blinking star limped through the night.

[Anonymous No.18869413]

>>18868382
>>18868393
Neo noir is comfy as fuck. As long as you don't rape the genre, even as parody I can't see a way to do it wrong. Maybe you can even add something new to it.

[Anonymous No.18869446]

>tfw rejected again for publication by amazon

[Anonymous No.18869583]

>>18869446
Fucking how? It's called self publishing for a reason. Are you rejecting yourself dude?

[Anonymous No.18869625]

>>18868986
Depends on what it is I guess.

[Anonymous No.18869626]

How do you write history? I don't want to sound like a dry fuck for a 50 page stint I'm doing.

[Anonymous No.18869684]

>>18869367
Polish.

[Anonymous No.18869692]

>>18869583
I have a few pictures in my story. They keep telling me to increase page size by 3mm to include bleed, which was already included. I've done what they asked twice now and they keep on asking me to increase the size again by 3mm and reject it. If this keeps up, the book will soon be the size of a family bible, but I'm going to see how deep the rabbit hole goes

[Anonymous No.18869705]

Hello anons, please critique my writing.
>It was a dark and stormy night. All the boys and girls of the Thornwood had been tucked in with a kiss and a ruffle of the hair. The men and women were nodding off, darning socks on a rocking chair or reading a book with a pipe of tobacco. Dogs and cats, horses and sheep, chickens, pigs, and cows alike, were put away in their barns and mangers, warm with bellies full of feed. The drizzling plip-plop of rain on thatch roofs and frosty glass windows made a pleasant background for slumber, and the distant din of thunder only added to the ambiance. It was not long before everyone was sound asleep.
>That was true for all except Billy, of course. He cringed when his mama tried to kiss him and dodged his papa’s pats, and he had no intention of sleeping. To him, it was a waste of perfectly good play time! Billy, at odds, often declared how much there was to do and how little time to accomplish it. You see, the folk of the Thornwood were a slow, methodical kind, like many rural peoples. They valued patience and dedication over haste and impropriety. That did not mean they shirked duties; no! But Billy’s idea of work was not quite what his parents and the elders had in mind.
>Billy liked to pull pigtails, steal freshly baked pies from the windowsill, and chase the sheep. He enjoyed putting tacks on chairs and blowing raspberries behind backs. Sometimes, Billy would wander off into the forest for hours and hours, not a soul around, and talk to the trees. The trees did not talk back. Ferocious packs of wolves were a menace but Billy never encountered such, nor did he find galloping bears or galumphing goblins, those nasty little men with needle-point teeth and moonshine eyes, who carried daggers not to stab but to gut their prey like fat trouts. Eight long years of trouncing and traipsing through the forests beyond the Thornwood had made Billy feel invincible. Not so much as a scratch or a bug bite had ever befallen the boy! Mama and papa knew better than to trust his dumb luck, thus Billy never went to bed without a sore bottom. That night was no exception.
>“Fine evening to get lost in,” the rambunctious little boy declared, rubbing his rump with a grimace. He took an oil-soaked wolfhide cloak, a present from his uncle Samuel when the merchant’s wagons visited, and wrapped himself snug. The storm was not likely to subside soon.

[Anonymous No.18869852]

How do you deal with the fact that your writing is mediocre, vapid? A life of consumerism begets only derivative rubbish. You have nothing to say because you are uninteresting, ordinary. To write fiction for its own sake is infantile.

[Anonymous No.18869858]

>>18869852
>How do you deal with
I write it until it is finished so I may feel the pride of having finished an entire series of books. Even if only I enjoyed it.

[Anonymous No.18869887]

>>18869858
I find it hard to enjoy the mere act of creation; I create every time I shit, and every word written feels no different. It's hard to articulate what exactly I'm looking for. I suppose I resent that all I care to write is genre fiction, which I know to be vapid - implying I myself am vapid, infantile, and thoroughly mediocre. It is not enough that people like what little I have published.

[Anonymous No.18869910]

>>18869380
Changing sentence structure around will make it read smoother. To me there was a lot of mental back and forth I had to do with the piece, trying to recreate pictures in my mind after being given new information. Two examples I came up with just now:
>>The night was cool, though occasionally made chilly by the wind: when the wind blew I tucked my chin, stuck my hands into my pockets, and shivered
>The occasional wind made the/a cool night chilly, and when it blew I shivered, tucked my chin, and stuck my hands into my pockets.
>>To my right the road gently inclined upwards, and to my left it declined.
>The road to my right gently inclined upwards, and to my left it declined.
I can't remember what its called in grammar, but it amounts to the sentence structure being turned around. When I read a sentence starting with "To my right" I'm expecting the sentence to maintain a focus on the narrator, and then when it continues to describe a road, the structure feels turned around. Better to have made the road the subject, as I did in my example, than have the narrator be the subject and leave him hanging. I'm sure these are not hard and fast rules; I've never studied grammar, I just know what sounds right to me.
Also, give us a character motivation or drive by about sentence 3, something to keep me attached beyond "he's walking through the streets".

[Anonymous No.18870556]

>>18868992
>lessen the rate of hospitalisation and death
If that were true, they'd be recommending that people take vitamin c and to try and get, at minimum, roughly a half hour sunlight every day.
Also protip for everyone in the thread, you should be taking vitiamin c and getting sun every day. And if you're a fat fuck you need to change your diet - trust me your diet is the problem don't drink soda - and walk around every now and then. And you shouldn't take the jab.

[Anonymous No.18870851]

>>18869887
It's not the mere act of creation I am on about, it is the steady build-up to a greater accomplishment. You undermining yourself by correlating it to mundane tasks in life changes nothing. To carve a statue is just tearing apart wood or cutting stone. Does not change how the statue at the end is a testament to your hard work.

Stop being a pessimist.

[Anonymous No.18870853]

>>18870556
Just take the vaccine.

[Anonymous No.18870913]

what authors/books have influenced your writing most? what do you consider your style? pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.18870918]

>>18870913
None

[Anonymous No.18871009]

>>18870851
A retard at the special Olympics works hard and "accomplishes", but that doesn't change the fact that their accomplishment is mediocre. Every time I scroll through AO3, RR, or some similar site, I see pages upon pages of literary pollution. I don't want to be a part of that, but I can't see how I could meaningfully surpass them.

>Stop being a pessimist.
What is there to be optimistic about? No amount of practice will change that I have nothing to say. No mark to leave. And I'm too much of a pussy to stop being a wagie and really live - the only way I could see myself becoming someone worth listening to.

In fairness, I do spend time thinking of non-traditional methods to create that would cover for my inadequacy. /tg/ regularly has threads about Mystery Flesh Pit national park, which is one such example. No message, but undeniably an artistic expression. It's just hard knowing that I have to pander to novelty because I will never be a Tolkien, let alone a Nabokov or a Melville.

[Anonymous No.18871033]

>>18871009
Stop being a pseud.

[Anonymous No.18871045]

Join the discord. Pseud free.
https://discord.gg/yQgtPRRbpb

[Anonymous No.18871046]

>>18871033
Impossible, I browse /lit/.

[Anonymous No.18871047]

>>18870913
Carlo Zen and Yoshiki Tanaka

[Anonymous No.18871049]

>>18871045
Seek help

[Anonymous No.18871087]

Shilling the /wg/ discord everytime the shizo posts seek help. Its a general writing server with no strict rules other than no psueds, shizos, or trannies allowed.
https://discord.gg/yQgtPRRbpb

[Anonymous No.18871096]

>>18871087
Seek help

[Anonymous No.18871115]

>>18867947
>Blood filled Nasir’s palm as he cupped his mouth. And the salty station air clenched his nose. While his attackers ran like raccoons back onto the street. He needed to call Raheem but his phone had been stolen.

I'm not keen in a couple of things here. I generally don't like starting sentences with "and". It feels like sentences two and three should be one sentence (otherwise sentence three make me think "while what?"). I don't really like the " ran like raccoons". It feels like you're trying a bit too hard to force an alliteration.

Also, you refer to the man that helps him as "it", which feels odd.

That's it, it's quite nitpicky I know, but other than that I liked it.

[Anonymous No.18871192]

>>18860292
I've been trying to create a game. Any books you guys would recommend for story telling/world building?

[Anonymous No.18871210]

>>18871087
>https://discord.gg/yQgtPRRbpb
What the fuck happened to this place.

[Anonymous No.18871296]

>>18870913
Maybe Fitzgerald, Douglas Adams and John Williams

[Anonymous No.18872200]

>>18871115
Thanks a lot! I’d been wondering about whether to make that opener one sentence but I preferred how the images were produced as separate entities. I admit it does make more sense grammatically as you’ve suggested though. Thanks for the other crits too!

[Anonymous No.18872205]

No way is that actually f gardener in the discord?

[Anonymous No.18872222]

>>18872205
Please keep all Discord stuff in the Discord

-Random Faggot

[Anonymous No.18872242]

>>18870913
Hermann Hesse. I love his prose.

[Anonymous No.18872246]

>>18872205
Probably not

[Anonymous No.18872268]

Theme:
A brief story of passion.

Do you have any ideas for a short story, friends?

[Anonymous No.18872294]

Chapter 44 released.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/40361/erased
Hope everyone is doing well on their projects. The only way to get it out is to just get it out. Easy parts, fun parts, and the more difficult shitty parts. Don't worry if its a bit of a mess in the draft, you've got a lot of time to get everything squared up and clean up all those loose ends.

[Anonymous No.18872420]

>>18872294
>Chapter 44 released.
Based.

>Hope everyone is doing well on their projects.
It is, I increased my word count from 4028 to 6055 in just under an hour earlier today between 15:30 and 17:00.

>Easy parts, fun parts, and the more difficult shitty parts. Don't worry if its a bit of a mess in the draft, you've got a lot of time to get everything squared up and clean up all those loose ends.
Aye.

[Anonymous No.18872451]

>>18872420
>increased my word count from 4028 to 6055 in just under an hour
The hell are you writing?

[Anonymous No.18872499]

Writing is both less appreciated and less constructive to the modern world than painting, which I do every day.

[Anonymous No.18872543]

Why does writing dialogue feel so awkward and what can I do to fix it?

[Anonymous No.18872594]

>>18872543
pretend youre mamet

[Anonymous No.18872735]

Not how I expected it to go, but my writing is finally printed on a page

[Anonymous No.18872769]

>>18872735
Based /lit/izen realizing his dreams. Where can I buy this.

[Anonymous No.18872813]

>>18872769
It's an anthology that got self-pubbed to amazon. Spare Change and Other Stories

It's basically a cross-section of /lit/

[Anonymous No.18872854]

So I gave scrivener a shot, because I thought it would be a good way to organise my notes, but resorted switching back to open office and just having things in various documents.
Legit don't see the point in scrivener, just seems clutter for no point, and not even all the functionality I want.

[Anonymous No.18872864]

>>18872543
Talk your dialogue out loud with someone else. Or, if you're alone, go to a public area and eavesdrop conversations.

[Anonymous No.18872915]

>>18872735
holy kek
>315 pages
>15 short stories

Based, congrats lads

how does the amazon printed work, is it like each copy printed per order?

[Anonymous No.18872968]

>>18872915
I believe amazon does print on demand yeah, no physical stockpile and just hits print out of the big machine when you ask for it

[Anonymous No.18873042]

Do your stories have female main characters?

[Anonymous No.18873061]

>>18873042
>iphone
>twitter
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.18873079]

>>18873061
Thanks for the Reddit gold, kind stranger.

[Anonymous No.18873087]

>>18873079
Seek Help, Jason

[Anonymous No.18873156]

/wg/, how do I get past this feeling that I am writing things that don't feel like "I" myself am writing it? I don't know how to explain this clearly, but when I write I feel as though I'm writing something as another person specific to the piece (mostly short stories) I'm writing and have to think differently from myself than I would, exclude my tastes and interests from the process, and it makes the writing process difficult for me because I do not feel like I have anything to contribute to the idea nor any way to properly develop it as I do not have any personal feelings or interest in my own ideas for writing. It is not a matter of quality, I don't think I'm anywhere near something publishable, it just feels like I'm writing things without any attachment to what I'm doing. What can I do, or read, to deal with this? I've tried just writing and outlining to try and get past this but this feeling feels like it is really hindering my productivity.

[Anonymous No.18873168]

>>18873156
By seeking help

[Anonymous No.18873294]

>>18873156
Look into DID, you might need to see a psychologist about it if you have it.

[Anonymous No.18873359]

>>18873156
then write about something important to you, like incestous pedophilia

[Anonymous No.18873511]

>>18869910
Thanks a lot. I wasn't to fond of what I wrote and this advice will really help me make it better.

[Anonymous No.18873619]

>>18873168
I appreciate the sentiment but I have been to multiple psychologists and therapists and the most they find wrong with me is I have a highly anxious disposition and a lack of self-confidence, with most of them having said I am very sober and that it is mostly my environmental factors that are the causes of my stress levels. I don't have money for the foreseeable future to go to them anyhow.
>>18873294
I will try bringing this up if I can get enough money to visit one in the future, but I don't think it is DID, though I may be wrong. Let me give you an example of my thought process behind the outline of a short story I wrote up a few weeks ago, so perhaps it can make things a bit clearer:
>write an outline about a woman exhausted from work and feeling alienated from her urban environment going on break during winter to a cabin park in a far-off mountainous area, staying at a cabin her family has rented out for her, where she encounters a nice large family of people who seem far happier than she is, who she discovers to be werewolves
>start writing the actual story
>"Wait a minute. Why would this metaphor pop up in the third person omniscient? it's not within her cultural sphere or general knowledge to use such imagery or concepts to perceive something."
>"Her first person monologuing does not seem befitting of her age, social role, or status, what am I missing here?"
>"What is the thematic purpose of the werewolves and what does their depiction imply? Also, would cultural knowledge assumed of the reader be good enough as to understanding the mechanics behind their transformation, or should I elaborate implicitly or explicitly on the mechanics of their transformation so as to feed into themes? (again, what themes?)"
>"What kind of diction should I use appropriate for the overall metaphors, similes, [literary devices]? What register? Should I disregard all of that and simply focus on the sheer plot itself?"
>"Man, actually who would find these werewolf people to be a reasonably warm depiction of a family? Is this just my own personal interpretation of this sort of thing, or am I relying on some form unassumedly?"
At this point, about 2 pages in, I feel as though I myself have written nothing, and am merely serving this idea without any thought of my own put in. I don't know how to overcome this.
>>18873359
:( I don't have anything important to me outside of work, reading, studying, and hiking, all of which would be very uninteresting for someone else to read. This isn't me trying to throw a pity party or wanting external validation, I'm just honestly saying my experiences and what I find important aren't interesting for stories.
All this said, I will link a short story I wrote here a while back I have been sitting on, for critique, because I do not want to clutter /wg/ with personal problems: https://pastebin.com/Zxmsg4z0

[Anonymous No.18873659]

>>18873042
My fiction has 3 FMCs.

[Anonymous No.18873944]

>>18873042
Every time I write a girl I want to fuck her. I wrote a red head tomboy and had a friend make porn of her. I wrote a blonde haired bookworm and beat off so much to her. Now I'm writing an Indian looking girl and I want to fuck her too. I can't stop cooming.

[Anonymous No.18873948]

>>18873619

>all of which would be very uninteresting for someone else to read.

false. anything can be interesting if you know how to write it

[Anonymous No.18873956]

>>18873944
love writing SLUT characters https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fZeblr21n7gK8-zkYcpk3cYSAI0A5gTFcONy38JSGU8/edit?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.18873975]

>>18872205
How gullible do you have to be to think that. If someone named Moot joined a 4chan server would you think it was actually him? Of course not.

[Anonymous No.18874010]

>>18873619
You're overthinking things. But sometimes you're thinking properly. You have to find the balance between writing a self insert manifesto script and writing for a prompt you have to turn in for school. Writing isn't some sterile impersonal task. It's an authentic personal experience. That shouldn't prevent you from thinking critically about your characters, though.
>>"Wait a minute. Why would this metaphor pop up in the third person omniscient? it's not within her cultural sphere or general knowledge to use such imagery or concepts to perceive something."
Then add it to her backstory or cut the metaphor, ez. Good critical thinking.
>>"Her first person monologuing does not seem befitting of her age, social role, or status, what am I missing here?"
Make it up and rewrite it, ez. Good critical thinking.
>>"What is the thematic purpose of the werewolves and what does their depiction imply? Also, would cultural knowledge assumed of the reader be good enough as to understanding the mechanics behind their transformation, or should I elaborate implicitly or explicitly on the mechanics of their transformation so as to feed into themes? (again, what themes?)"
Thinking too hard. They're werewolves. Who cares about the mechanics of the transformation? See moon, wolf. Or just wolf without moon. Throw in some "she wants to transform her tired life into their happy ones" themes if you really want to. See first sentence.
>>"What kind of diction should I use appropriate for the overall metaphors, similes, [literary devices]? What register? Should I disregard all of that and simply focus on the sheer plot itself?"
Thinking too hard. It's not science, really. It's art. Write what flows.
>>"Man, actually who would find these werewolf people to be a reasonably warm depiction of a family? Is this just my own personal interpretation of this sort of thing, or am I relying on some form unassumedly?"
Thinking too hard. A family is a family. Use Hollywood inspiration if you didn't have a good family. Or, use your own family. Authenticity is worth more than gold.

[Anonymous No.18874016]

>>18873948
False, don’t lie to him.

[Anonymous No.18874040]

>>18873956
I'm horny, I'd have fucked Lori because I'm a dumb coomer

[Anonymous No.18874061]

>>18874016
>300 pgs about knot tying

[Anonymous No.18874075]

I'm trying to find a balance between safe versus transgressive writing. What I mean by safe is publishable. Anything worth writing and reading has to go places no one else goes. Perhaps tastefulness makes all the difference. Good writing should be upsetting, it should test the reader, it should be out of line. But it has to not verge on the smutty or egregious, at least if you want to satisfy two conditions: get published in a somewhat normie outlet and not be seen as a creep.

For example, one of my stories deals with the topic of teenage sexuality , or more precisely, the digital sexual marketing of youth. Think "omg it's my 18th birthday I'm totally going to make an onlyfans and not only that, all my friends will think I'm cool because of it! Fuck working at mcdonalds." I'm interested in the psychology this kind of thinking pulls young people into, and the potential consequences. What I am not interested in is the sex. This is a difficult subject to write around without seeming like a pervert.

Other things that I've written, in fact almost all of it that holds any promise, is bound to offend or unnerve at least someone. I'm just worried that if I try to submit this stuff to get published the lamest most dull-witted sort of conventional prude will pass over it not for its merits but because it chafes against their sensibilities.

[Anonymous No.18874161]

Any advice to reword this dialogue? The idea is the villain thinks society goes agains't human nature but it doesn't work for me
>“I’m not sure what sort of moral code you want us to follow, Charles,” the fiend said. “We’re men, not dogs. We understand the world’s systems and laws. This place goes agains’t the natural equilibrium. My nerves tell me there’s something wrong here. There’s no way to live harmoniously in a cage. If I have to live in this world, I’m going to enjoy it.”

[Anonymous No.18874181]

>>18874161
In my take on it I'd interperse it with mid dialogue action here and there. Mix it up so it's not all just dialogue.

[Anonymous No.18874197]

>>18874061
Boring

[Anonymous No.18874199]

>>18874181
Example? I am concerned about getting the message out

[Anonymous No.18874247]

>>18872451
Harem-fantasy story with elements of action, adventure and slice-of-life for the most part. With war, crime, horror and a few other topics being sub-genre's depending on the Vol you are on.

[Anonymous No.18874429]

>>18874010
I appreciate the advice very much, I'll note this down. I do think I spend a bit too much time around people who read too much into intention and/or want to derive a moral from a story.
>>18874061
Melville tied the whaling elements into his conception of the universe as being depicted allegorically through the entire whaling process and its related journey, that's how I see it. The technical whaling elements alone would not have sufficed a standalone narrative or perhaps even essays without the context of their surrounding chapters, speeches, quasi-stageplays, etc cetera, which just goes to show why they would be innately uninteresting experiences/topics on their own to write about, much like the things I've mentioned which, as a whole if weaved together like Melville did for his life experiences through Ishmael, would amount to nothing interesting/entertaining on my end. I'm not saying this as a way to put down anyone who would write on these topics, I'm just saying what I think my personal relation to these sort of things is.
>>18874161
Word choice feels too structural to me. Doesn't evoke the biological essentialism you're going for. Also:
>We understand the world's systems and laws
You could read "the world" in this as "society", and "systems and laws", being quite formal structures, clash with "natural equilibrium" and the following sentences, which suppose an unquantifiable element in human behavior. "We're men, not dogs" also seems to go against the animalistic bent overall.
Sentences also feel too dialectical, open to reason, rather than commanding and engrained within the villain's point of view. I would write it something like:
>"How would you have us live then, Charles?", the fiend said. "We're men, not machines. We understand the ways of the world, not the laws of man. This place, this place, you can feel it too, can't you? I feel it deep within me, that there is something, something, wrong here. Harmony is the way of machines, not of men - so if I have to live within this world, I will do so as a man."

[Anonymous No.18874641]

>>18874429
>if I have to live within this world, I will do so as a man
I like that alot. Thanks for putting o much thought into your response.

[Anonymous No.18875306]

>>18873944
This. It was reading crappy amateur erotica that made me want to become a writer. This was before internet at a time when BBS’s were a thing. I would download txt files and fap away and dream. Many years and bad jobs later i decided to become a writer. Dipping my toes in diggerent genres, i found out that they always lacked something special so in my desperation i once added porn in them. This made the original stories come alive. Now i’m sliding back to square one, setting my foot finally on the erotica genre. I have inserted erotica in every plot that i have. I now have projects of unfinished scifi-erotica, vampire horror erotica, erotic suspense, erotic zombie splatter, apocalyptic erotica, paranormal erotica, steampunk erotica. Even vanillaish romantic honeymoon erotica. It is very difficult to resist fapping while writing and long streaks makes me exhausted. Feels good.

[Anonymous No.18875342]

Long tile /lit/izen been reading significantly more recently and want to dip my toes into writing.
I have no idea what I want to write but I want to put something of importance on paper.

Any direction is welcomed

[Anonymous No.18875404]

>>18873042
Yes.

[Anonymous No.18875605]

>>18873156
>I feel as though I'm writing something as another person specific to the piece (mostly short stories) I'm writing and have to think differently from myself than I would
It sounds like you're almost writing professionally, I suggest you find medication to get rid of this condition

[Anonymous No.18876579]

Wrote this sickass breakup sequence last night in the fashion of how a friend and I almost lost our friendship. It's true what they say: experience is the best way to write something truthfully.

[Anonymous No.18876630]

>>18860292
Is it acceptable to steal characters and use them in your own works?

There's this show I've been watching. It had lovable characters, but garbage storytelling. I got frustrated and I thought about using these characters in my stuff, but only the character personalities and dynamics

[Anonymous No.18876711]

>>18876630
Copyright only extends to specific names. You can't copyright a personality

If you're going to steal RWBY, it literally would not work in written form because the majority of their personality is in slapstick gags as well as their visual design. No one would have given a shit about Blake in season 1 if they couldn't see how cute she looked while being a bitch.

If you have a means to make it into a webcomic or something, I humbly request to join your team

[Anonymous No.18876754]

>>18876630
Literally almost everyone does this. Most "original" ideas start off as fanfic that grows further and further from the source
material until it can stand on its own two feet. As long as you're not straight up ripping the same lines, "stealing" a personality is fine.

[Anonymous No.18876794]

>>18873619
Aside from knowing the themes all of those problems should be dealt with in editing after you've finished your first draft.

[Anonymous No.18876855]

>>18875342
First think of an idea. It doesn't have to be "the social critique of reason on the modern man" or "this is the most important work of my life". Your first work will never be that and that's okay. I recommend doing one or both of these brainstorming ideas
>Stream of consciousness word association: write whatever word comes to your mind and follow it, writing words even if it's totally nonsensical
>5 Senses: pick one representative idea, object, feeling, etc for each of the five senses. Start writing something based off what the five senses together gives you
These are good ways to just toy around with ideas when you don't know what to write about. Or you can steal ideas from other medium. My first book started out as a Homestuck ripoff.

[Anonymous No.18877040]

I've only started writing and it takes a very long time to write even 500 words. Is this normal and with practice does it get much easier? I understand that you need to take time over what you're writing but when will the active imagining of a scene that I currently have to do become a bit more passive?

Writing is much more tiring than I thought it would be, though I'm enjoying it.

[Anonymous No.18877090]

nigga

[Anonymous No.18877112]

>>18877040
>Is this normal and with practice does it get much easier?
I can do 2k in an hour, formerly, I could barely do 800 in an hour when I was younger. Yes, it gets easier as you go along. Get more familiar with the characters and your style and so on.

[Anonymous No.18877165]

How ethical is it to steal jokes from 4chan anons for my comedy thing

[Anonymous No.18877171]

>>18877040
Depends on how inspired I am. Sometimes I can write 2k words in one day, sometimes I barely manage 100. I have the classic problem of getting really enthused for the most exciting parts and then struggling to connect it all together.

[Anonymous No.18877224]

>>18877165
This is a breeding ground for sociopaths, steal to your content.

[Anonymous No.18877236]

>>18877112
It definitely feels like currently I'm struggling to describe a scene well and having to think a lot about what I'm saying only to say something very uninspired. But that's okay, as long as it's something I'll get better at, I can deal with being shit now.

[Anonymous No.18877257]

>How do I improve my writing?
>Write more.

Is there anything else I should be doing with my written material to improve it? It seems like by writing more I'll just entrench bad habits and uninspiring style.

[Anonymous No.18877306]

>>18877257
read it to other writers, preferably ones who have been published and who do not know you personally. or read it out loud to yourself if you are forever alone, also read a lot more and take notes on how they write.

[Anonymous No.18877343]

>>18877306
Read out loud to myself it is. I don't know any other writers. Maybe when I finish the first chapter of what I'm writing now I'll post it in a /wg/, although I know people on here will be more harsh than they need to be. Hopefully one person will give some constructive feedback.

I read a decent bit but honestly find it pretty hard to focus on how the book is written. I never really notice those sorts of things when reading; I guess that's the sign of a good writer though, it's seamless.

[Anonymous No.18877348]

>>18877236
That happens to me on occasion, so you don't have to worry about it. Sometimes you just need to think on it for a bit.

[Anonymous No.18877361]

>>18877348
I guess the first draft of my first ever story idea is never going to be something great. I think right now the habit of writing is much more important than the quality.

[Anonymous No.18877368]

>>18877343
that is why you need to read not for pleasure but to run diagnostics on the book itself. like how you read shit for school/learning, use sticky notes, focus on one thing like dialog or descriptions, even good writing can be pulled apart and analyses to see why it is seamless. try that with books you have already read.

[Anonymous No.18877388]

>>18877368
Rereading books I've already read for analysis is actually a really good idea. Believe it or not, I've never once reread a book.

[Anonymous No.18877407]

>>18877388
damn I have re-read a ton of books many many times over, I probably re-read more than I read new stuff. if a novel is good I'll at least give it two reads and the really good stuff close to my heart gets read maybe once ever couple years.

[Anonymous No.18877416]

>>18877407
I think I'm mostly afraid of rereading a favourite and it not holding up to my memory. Obviously that's very likely to happen as you change over time, but I'd be afraid of it tarnishing the first read.

[Anonymous No.18877473]

I finished a first draft and analyzed the stakes in the plot. Is salvation/damnation high enough stakes if only some of the consequences are clear? I've heard this is borderline "pretend stakes" and will irritate readers who think the protagonist doesnt have a true dilemma but is just paranoid.
I added a time limit to the fateful decision but not sure if that is enough yet.

[Anonymous No.18877528]

>>18865923
I think it's a recognition that their story is complete, while ours is not. We are still on the page.

[Anonymous No.18877546]

>>18877473
>Is salvation/damnation high enough stakes if only some of the consequences are clear?
Can you give more information? I think the reason why readers don't care much for salvation or damnation is because they are not typically thinking of it themselves. For me, it feels too cloudy, both in a real and metaphorical sense. Too much intervention by God.

[Anonymous No.18877579]

>>18877546
Basically a mark of the beast scenario from Revelation. The technology that fixed the world can only be accepted before a certain date, after which the promise of immortality and access to many things is denied. One of the characters refuses to accept it and risks relationship with others, believing it to be a con to erase his freewill. There's no threat of death from the world, only that his despair over being wrong, or that he is no more free than the puppet-like machines, might be too much for him to live with. And its salvation in the sense that he sees a real reward but wont take it, and despairs over trying to discover the invisible. There's overlapping character stakes and other issues, but that's the short of it.

[Anonymous No.18877680]

Hey bros, back to shill my diary again. I've got a complete draft (some parts still rough) of my memoir chapter on my time in the Balkans this past year. it features 7 or 8 distinct segments / anecdotes. Any comments or observations welcome and much appreciated

>https://larthurhunt.files.wordpress.com/2021/08/balkan-draft-doc-001.pdf

[Anonymous No.18877686]

>>18877680
Seek help

[Anonymous No.18877713]

>>18877579
Sounds fuckin lit. No issues here. If the stakes are despair/world crushing personal revelation, I think a lot of people would be interested in it.

[Anonymous No.18877888]

>>18877473

I don't get this obsession about "stakes". Some of the best novels don't have stakes. Or even "ok" novels that are considered classics don't have evident stakes. What are the stakes to Catcher in the Rye? What are the stakes to As I Lay Dying? That they won't be able to bury their mother? Why should we care? And yet we do, because stakes are of little import if you can construct meaning and significance through the exploration of the novel's overarching themes, and keep them engaged through quality, incisive prose. Fuck every literary agent who questions a books' "stakes" arbitrarily.

[Anonymous No.18878022]

>>18877888
Its mainly a genre fiction phenomenon I believe. I try to raise compelling concerns and themes in a literary way but there are some genre trappings I'm going with. Perhaps I shouldnt worry about it so much, I just want to avoid readers comcluding that my characters are dithering retards who are crying over nothing. At the same time Im trying to call attention to normalcy and saccharine nature of the ultimatum as evil, so the seemingly low stakes in a way drives a point I was trying to make in the story.

[Anonymous No.18878526]

>>18867947
Stopped reading at start of the second sentence. Thank you for submitting the manuscript. Next time don’t start sentence with “and”.

[Anonymous No.18878738]

Hello lads, I'm looking for a phrase that can be used colloquially to mean "splitting hairs" or "being pedantic" but as a sort of playful insult. Basic context is the following:

Girl: "Why don't you want to get married? We've been dating for a year now..."
Boy: "Well, I just don't see why I should."
Girl: "But didn't you say you liked me?"
Boy: "Yes, I /like/ you, but I didn't say I /love/ you."
Girl: "Jerk! [Splitting hairs! Pedantic!]"

Obviously the part in brackets doesn't fit but I can't think of a better way to put it.

[Anonymous No.18878759]

>>18878738
That is not how relationships work anon...

[Anonymous No.18878777]

>>18878738
I couldn't tell you as I don't know the tone of the dialogue. Is she being playful? If so, maybe use [word] that characterises 'Boy' that has been used before by 'Girl'. If the tone is serious, then "Jerk!" is short and to the point, and the brevity gives a more serious tone than the hysterical name calling—unless, of course, these characters are meant to be hysterical reprobates and not zany sitcom regulars.

Regardless, it's difficult to say until you know who those characters are and what the purpose of their dialogue is. Once you know the setting, the characters, and whatever happened before the dialogue, the scene should write itself, every word should fit.

[Anonymous No.18878781]

>>18878738
This is the most unrealistic discussion about getting married I think I've ever read. This is worse than a rejected spec script for friends. A phrase to describe semantic distinctions isn't going to save that because a woman would know that the distinction between love and like is not a minor issue, it is the crux of many relationships and why many fail. It is the death of romanticism and the critical eye of the scientific that has forced modernity to see love not as an ethereal idea and feeling culminating into a living force, but now simply feel good person.


>Why was it you didn't want to get married again? It's been over a year and nothing has changed. Don't you want to live that dream life? Have a child some day? I see how you smile at them.
>I just don't see why we should. I like where we are. I don't have the money or responsibility for something like that.
>I don't care about any of that. Didn't you say you like me? Because I love you.
>Yeah, I like you, but it's different than "I love you". I never said that.
>I see...

When you couch the dialogue in more realistic terms of how and why relationships get to that point, it becomes far less jovial. And at that point the relationship breaks apart because the parties have different desires that the other can't meet due to their inherent character choices. That can be an obstacle for them to overcome, like in many romance stories, or it can be a breaking point that defines the character in the future.
Or maybe I'm not on the same page as you, anon. I don't know.

[Anonymous No.18878796]

>>18878781
This dialogue makes more sense (on its own) in the context of your post. But I think OP's dialogue, like I said above, could fit in a playful scene where they are simply flirting in an immature way. It's not totally inept in that case.

[Anonymous No.18878816]

>>18878738
Have you ever been in a relationship, OP?

[Anonymous No.18878823]

>>18878796
Yeah, okay. I can see it working in one of those relationships where the girl already started off dreaming big and joking about getting married and having kids and doing the whole romance thing. If it was a running gag to talk about when they get married it would work.


Maybe I overreacted a bit.

[Anonymous No.18878878]

>>18878759
>>18878777
>>18878781
>>18878816
>>18878823
Whoa sorry, I didn't intend for the tone to come off as something serious, it's as >>18878796
says. I made that context up on the spot to illustrate the kind of phrase I'm searching for, it's not a real argument. Think a couple sitting under the shade of a tree on a warm afternoon, half in each others thoughts and half asleep speaking sweet nothings and that dialogue plays out.

I'll be honest, I'm translating a dumb fangame into english and it's kinda hard sometimes to search for the expression I'm looking for, so I ask here.
I guess another way to describe it would be that stereotypical scene in anime where the tsundere imouto gets mad at her brother and shouts things like "Oniichan no baka! Hentai! Inu!", like that, but I'm wondering if there's a sort of "insult" in this sense that can be used but with a specific meaning for someone who smugly splits hairs and goes "ACKCHYUALLY...".

If nothing comes to mind I guess I'll just go with the generic "Jerk! Idiot! Dummy""

[Anonymous No.18878885]

>>18878878
Oh sorry you are an anime poster. Sorry I wasted my own time.

[Anonymous No.18878930]

>>18878878
Nevermind, I finally found the word I was looking for: smartass. I just knew there was a word for it but I couldn't recall.
I guess I'll bug you guys again if I have anything else, but thanks anyways

[Anonymous No.18879068]

>>18878930
>>18878878
Happy you found your word, upset I spent that much time on a useless post.

[Anonymous No.18879350]

>>18878885
Animefags are the only writers on /wg/.

[Anonymous No.18879406]

>>18878526
Holy based.

[Anonymous No.18879753]

Tomorrow is a good day, for I eat pizza and finish another chapper of 10k plus.

[Anonymous No.18880074]

>>18879753
>10k long chapter
>another 10k long chapter
why tho? chop it in half and give your reader a break

[Anonymous No.18880167]

>>18878930
>he never told us the word
What was the word?

[Anonymous No.18880415]

>>18860318
Been writing one chapter a day for a couple years now. Book's nearly done.

[Anonymous No.18880427]

>>18860519
Just a small note, the narrator refers to their limbs as being leaden twice within a couple paragraphs. Might just want to rephrase the second one. The same phrase twice in that close a spacing sticks out.

[Anonymous No.18880438]

>>18879753
>>18880074
Yeah there might be a natural space in there where you could put a chapter break. Big long chapters are not necessarily bad, but unless it's something that literally must flow all together it's often better to find somewhere to break it.

[Anonymous No.18880490]

>>18877473
>>18878022
Don't worry about "stakes" too much m8. It doesn't matter if the stakes are objectively important, it only matters if they're important to your character.

You can write a story in which the stakes are a husband wanting to make a perfect romantic evening for his wife because he loves and appreciates her, but things keep going wrong and he's struggling frantically to fix them before she comes home, and as long as you've made the reader appreciate the character then the stakes of a romantic evening are good enough. It's just about getting your reader invested in the character.

[Anonymous No.18880832]

>>18860292
Do you boys have any writing rituals? Things that help you get in the zone, eliminate distractions, etc?

[Anonymous No.18880857]

>>18880832
Alcohol

[Anonymous No.18880922]

>>18880832
Masturbation. I can't get doing anything productive until I've browsed my IG thots for the day first.

[Anonymous No.18880932]

>>18880857
Seek help jason

[Anonymous No.18880946]

>>18880932

[Anonymous No.18881196]

>>18880832
I reread what I last wrote. I put my phone on vibrate and put it out of reach. I put my headphones on and set things to my music playlist, then I start working.
>>18880932
You dumb fucks hating on the man are getting more annoying than Jason ever was or 4chan made him out to be.

[Anonymous No.18881201]

>>18880946
seek help

[Anonymous No.18881220]

>>18881196
What's on your writing music playlist my dude?

[Anonymous No.18881239]

miserably wrote half a scene. it's the end of revisions and was a necessary background scene to lay better ground for later events and it felt so forced and mechanical. the second half of it is something more fun and these work as foil for each other's meaning but still, ugh. i hate writing about things i dont care about. but this one was necessary. now just have to tie it out later.

i gave myself a retarded deadline and still yeeted the first 1/3 of the time alotment for finishing this.

[Anonymous No.18881388]

How do you find the meat of a story idea?

[Anonymous No.18881397]

I'm getting close to the end of my manuscript.
I did all my editing BEFORE I wrote the ending so that things would stay consistent with any big finishers and climaxes. Felt like a good decision because the ending has been piss easy to put down. I'm averaging around 500 words/day which isn't exactly a blazing speed, but a fair pace when done alongside editing.

I'm giving it to a few beta readers soon and then there's the task of finding an editor and an agent. It's all pretty daunting to think about.

[Anonymous No.18881402]

I’m a few beers in now.
I don’t want to be a lawyer.
I’m not even sure if writing is the right medium.
I just want to make people cry about the human condition like I have.
I wrote a few posts about it in this thread already.
The worst part is that the feeling leaves after a few days.
This profound wallowing that feels like sorrow and meaning mixed into one.
I want to make others feel that from the things I create.
I think most of my writing so far has been too ironic or meta to get there.
I need to get to a DFW level of post irony to be able to get to it.
Do other people even feel this same feeling when they finish something?
Is this just a result of perpetual escapism and late stage capitalism?
I know this is a blog at this point.
This is drunk burgerpunk lawyer anon btw, for context to you regulars.
Fuck.

[Anonymous No.18881412]

>>18881388
Ideally the idea is the meat.

[Anonymous No.18881416]

>>18881397
That sounds fun anon I'm in a bit of the same position. How are you going to handle your beta readers? Physical copies or just send the file?

[Anonymous No.18881424]

>>18881416
One is getting the files piece meal (chapter at a time for easy feedback) and the other will be getting a physical copy. I have to admit, and it sounds pathetic. I'm very excited for the day I head into Staples and print out all 350 pages and put it together. Even though it's just an unedited manuscript.

[Anonymous No.18881459]

https://pastebin.com/Ndh6fgRd
wrote a short poem (i guess) about an important friend

[Anonymous No.18881464]

>>18881459
More rough prose than a poem.

[Anonymous No.18881487]

>>18881464
does that disqualify it from being a poem? idk shit about the intellectual side of writing so im genuinely asking. the point was for it to just be a raw explanation to them how i felt.

[Anonymous No.18881491]

>>18881487
Poetry is meant to be imagery and word sound refined to its bare essentials.

[Anonymous No.18881526]

>>18881491
it seems like thats definetly more an interpretation than a rule as theres alot of more narrative and story like poetry out there that isnt as concerned with being as bare as possible. take bukowski for example youd probably say it was more prose than poetry if i copied down one of his poems and tried to pass it as mine

[Anonymous No.18881539]

>>18881424
Nah I know the feeling, I'm getting excited about handing out my own manu to a few trusted folks in a binder. If you finished it you made it and should be happy bout it my dude.

[Anonymous No.18881725]

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[Anonymous No.18882252]

>>18880074
No, I will not.

>>18880438
No.