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>Buddhism: let go of your desires and you will reach Nirvana
Isn't desiring for Nirvana also still a desire?

>> No.18885125

>>18885118
>Isn't desiring for Nirvana also still a desire?
I think you've already reached it. Now you no longer have to kill your soul. Enjoy.

>> No.18885128

I think Nirvana is control and awareness of your desires and impulses, so you're no longer a slave to them.

>> No.18885139

>>18885118
Nirvana is death.

>> No.18885148
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>dude nothing matters, it's all an external flow of phenomena, it doesn't truly concern you, free of yourself of dukkha
>but buddha ji! if nothing matters, why are you teaching me? why don't you simply sit in a corner in silence and achieve nirvana?
>because....because the only...uhh justification for any and all actions is...uhmm compassion(?)
>but buddha! ji doesn't compassion bring attachment and therefore, dukkha, with it?
>uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>also, why would compassion be a justification?
>uhmmm because...uhhh we're all one! so...when you love another person and want them to achieve nirvana, you actually want yourself to achieve nirvana! so it's really you instructing yourself!
>but buddha ji! wouldn't that line of thinking bring one even more attachment to the world by perceiving it as a part of oneself, and therefore, much dukkha with it?
>CHUP CHUP CHUP HO JAO GANDO PAA GUL GADHA KUTTA BHAN CHOD! MAA DAR CHOD!! PAA DUUNGAA!
>Buddha Ji!!! *gets disintegrated*
Buddhism is so much fun.

>> No.18885149

>>18885139
no

>> No.18885160

>>18885148
Don't you want to be reborn as an alien? The Lotus Sutra says the enlightened ones will be freed from the passions of the flesh, shoot forth light beams and be able to fly wherever they want

>> No.18885165
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18885165

Consider reading a book

>> No.18885176

>>18885118
>Isn't desiring for Nirvana also still a desire?
yes. buddhist practice is like a raft. once you've crossed the river, leave it on the shore.

>> No.18885200

>>18885118
But this is a good desire.

>> No.18885202

A 4channer went to a monastery to learn how to meditate. Upon his arrival, the master asked him if he was based or cringe.
"Based", he answered, and the master hit him extremely hard with a stick and dislocated his shoulder.
"Cringe, cringe then", the 4channer yelped. The master hit him again, shattering his kneecap this time.
The 4channer howled in pain, scared and confused.
"What was I supposed to say?"
The master stayed silent, dropped his trousers, and defecated on the floor. The 4channer was immediately enlightened.

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>>18885202
[Shits in Tang dynasty Chinese]

>> No.18885306

>>18885118
>Isn't desiring for Nirvana also still a desire?
Yes. No teacher, no teaching, no method, no student.

>> No.18885332

>>18885202
I'm immediately enlightened. Thanks, anon.

>> No.18885436

What is mind? No matter. What is matter? Never mind.

>> No.18885460

>>18885149
Yes

>> No.18885491

>>18885202
what's 4chan? i know only 4channel

>> No.18885556

There's a sutta about this: https://suttacentral.net/sn51.15/en/sujato
Basically it says "have you ever desired to walk to the park, and then once you walked to the park that desire disappeared? Nirvana is the same way."
You use desire for Nirvana to remove your other desires. Once those desires are gone, the desire for Nirvana also disappears

>> No.18885588

>>18885556
How the fuck one can stay alive without desire?

>> No.18885644

>>18885588
You don't.
Buddhism is a death cult, the local conclusion of all major religions, which are inherently anti-humanist and anti-worldist by premise.

>> No.18885663

>>18885644
>the logical conclusion*

>> No.18885666

>>18885644
>which are inherently anti-humanist
That's basically bullshit bro. Humanism is just postchristianity without God.

>> No.18885698

>>18885666
Nice try, Satan. Christianity is anti-humanist through its basic premise of man being inherently evil and sinful and needing to be "purified" by "finding the light of God inside you", AKA "the virtue of a being that is not human, because humans have no virtue of their own".
Always ready to pull the "akshually what you're doing is just kristiyaniti :)" card, lmao.

>> No.18885734

>nothing matters, god isn't real
>just give up bro and disassociate
I firmly believe buddhism should be illegal.

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>>18885734
Keep seething, play-pretend priest. You have no understand of what you're against anyway, so why take seriously anything you are for?

>> No.18885816

>>18885734
Nigga you barely have any grasp on what buddhism is about, have you heard of good action? What do you think ascetism is about if not the developing of virtue to it's maximum capacity. Training your mind to not get carried away by unskillful thoughts and emotions. To not succumb to the mindless pursuit of hedonism. Man, i hate retarded niggas like you, forming uninformed opinions should be illegal.

>> No.18885826

>>18885160
hell yeah i wanna be a dbz character

>> No.18885828

Buddhism advocates the ending of craving, not desire. Craving is the part of your mind that automatically pulls your mind to or away from something i.e. "I like this" or "I don't like this". Desire is simply the volition to do something, and saying Buddhism is about ending desire is based on a poor translation of the Pali word taṇhā.

>> No.18885866

>>18885165
Just read the vedas faggot

>> No.18885882

“When desire is for the purely abstract—when it has lost all trace or tinge of ‘self’—then it has become pure.

The first step towards this purity is to kill out the desire for the things of matter, since these can only be enjoyed by the separated personality.

The second is to cease from desiring for oneself even such abstractions as power, knowledge, love, happiness, or fame; for they are but selfishness after all.

Life itself teaches these lessons; for all such objects of desire are found Dead Sea fruit in the moment of attainment. This much we learn from experience. Intuitive perception seizes on the positive truth that satisfaction is attainable only in the infinite; the will makes that conviction an actual fact of consciousness, till at last all desire is centred on the Eternal.”

— H.P. Blavatsky

>> No.18885888

>>18885165
Mahayana texts are not Buddhist texts any more than Joel Osteen books are Christian texts.

>> No.18885929

>>18885816
>Training your mind to not get carried away by unskillful thoughts and emotions.
>Man, i hate retarded niggas like you

kek

>> No.18885962

>>18885929
Never said i was virtuous, brainlet. Kys lol

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>>18885118
yes. check out mahayana buddhism for potential solutions to this problem. their claim is that if nirvana is something that by nature can not be desired, we must already be experiencing nirvana. samsara is an illusion because we're already in nirvana

>> No.18886171

tl;dr no because it's not "Desire" that's the problem, it's Clinging. Will is necessary for action and even Buddhas have it. You can't really say that anything is "in" Nirvana and as such you can't really say that something "in" Nirvana "has" anything, but for simplicity we can say that yes, there is also will "in" Nirvana.

Ironically, the Buddha actually rejects the Jainist doctrine of desiring to end volition (will).

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>> No.18886207

>>18885118
I think “reaching nirvana” is a sort of involuntary thing. You dont “desire” it but it seemingly comes about as a byproduct of (often) intensive practice. Or you can “desire” it but I think your path will be more difficult that way. I think its more about acceptance, not working towards a goal.

>> No.18886478

>>18885698
>its basic premise of man being inherently evil and sinful
This is false. Man is created in the image and likeness of God. He has currently become corrupted through and has fallen short of the glory of God in which He was made. The goal of Christianity is to restore man to the glory of God that man should be free of sin and the calamity that comes along with sin. Christianity is far from "anti-humanist"

>> No.18887259

>>18885118
You dumb idiot, if you don't want anything that literally means nothingness satiesfies you, meaning you would be just as ok with nothingness (death) as you are with everything you have got right now, it's only after this point of reaching nirvana, that you won't care about it anymore, so your post is an oxymoron. People in nirvana don't care about it anymore, of course they desire it if they haven't got it, BECAUSE GETTING IT MEANS NOT WANTING, so yeah your post doesn't make any sense.

>> No.18887325

>>18885200
There are no good desires
Every desire causes pain if one is unable to fulfil it

>> No.18887404

>>18885888
Joel Olsteen is all Christianity ever was.

>> No.18887431

>>18885118
that just a bad play on words, desire is a broad term that can mean multiple things
to reach nirvana you need to be free of cravings, which is a particular form of desire, related to delusion born from our missguided perceptions of reality as something eternal
craving nirvana is indeed a hindrance and should be avoided
i a way there's a tpe of desire for enlightment that is benefitial called "samvega" that arise when the disciple relaize how trapped he is in samsara, but it should be accompanied by "pasada" a faith in the path that keeps saṃvega from turning into nihilistic despair by providing a sense of confidence that there is a way out

>> No.18887765

>>18885118
yes and buddhists go on and on about desiring to become enlightened is a hindrance. Its just like when you try to have fun it's hard to do you just have to have fun.

>> No.18887823

>>18885118
You can’t abandon desire it is part of consciousness. You can unattach from desiring and suffering. But you will still desire and suffer.

>> No.18887891

>It's another "Anon only knows about the zen sect of Buddhism episode"

>> No.18888234

>>18885118

you can desire, as long is not rooted in craving, aversion and ignorance

>> No.18888243

>>18888234
is worth also noting that feeling guilty for desiring things it's also rooted in craving, aversion and ignorance
so forcing yourself not to feel desire or feeling guilty, is also agaisnt the buddha's teaching

>> No.18888253

>>18885644
Not Islam.
>can have four wives
>encouraged to buy good perfumes
>encouraged to read good poetry

>> No.18888529

>>18885588
because a mind free from desire is in constant state of bliss(sukkha), since all it's potential is not ofuscatetd by carving and aversion and can be articulated freely

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukha

>> No.18889375

>>18885460
death necessitates rebirth retard