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Hi /lit/. Please don’t bully me, I’m sensitive. I was wondering if you guys have any recs of books about a specific phrase: “totalitarian niceness,” used by thinker Jonathan Bowden. Whether it’s fiction or nonfiction, nonfiction might be even preferable here. I’m not a /pol/ tourist, even if I sound like one, but the crazy thing I’ve noticed with friends of my age (early 20s) is /pol/-lite ideas are gathering momentum.

>yeah, the National Geographic, a magazine I always loved, but they started printing anti-White shit and queries like “Write in 7 words why you’re ashamed of being White,” so I just dropped it. That’s not real science

or

>as a young adult, I see more manifestations of Black supremacy than White supremacy

This is, again, NOT meant to be a /pol/ thread. I just was wondering if there’s literature which isn’t straight up the Turner Diaries, Mein Kampf, or the Unabomber Manifesto which encapsulates this eerie aura today of social justice politics, extreme political correctness, the cult of the victim, censorship, anti-White and anti-male, sentiment rising in Hollywood, pop literature and culture and music, magazines, editorials, journals, education., academic
Is, etc., or do I have to write it myself? I’ll give some pics as examples of what I mean and once again this is not meant to be a /pol/ thread if it sounds like one.

To make it more /lit/, are there Philip K. Dick-esque parodies of a Soviet America ruled by these PC types, purple-haired transgender Antifa lunatics as the new commissars, BLM and Antifa as the vanguard of a violent Marxist revolution, and so on?

Philip Roth wrote a book about America under hypothetical Nazi rule, so my question basically is about America under BLM/LGBT mega-capitalist rule with the balls to call out political correctness as the mask behind anti-White sentiment and masculinity, and against Western civilization as a whole, dramatic as that sounds. It may not quite seem like that, now, but the whole gist of reactionaries (which I admit to being) is that this is its inevitable outcome.

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>>18917658
https://youtu.be/DIexJCpFsD8

>> No.18917680

>>18917658
I wouldn't call it literature, but you should check out Ron Jonson's 'So You've Been Publicly Shamed'. It's funny and imo not as disgustingly biased as other books on the topic.

>> No.18917683

>>18917658
no idea, tl;dr, but check out shades of gray by jasper ford
i remember it being a very benign sort of dystopia, at least in the beginning, but i got distracted before i finished

>> No.18917687

>>18917674
Is it 2004?

>> No.18917694

>>18917658
also picrel is stupid. the mask is to protect others. you can still transmit covid if you have the vaccine.

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Sorry if I’m incoherent. A little high. Basically, a book which not only PORTRAYS it but has the balls to point it out for what it is — portray it as fascism. A modern 1984 or Brave New World but including new phenomena like normalization of BLM and Antifa violence and demonization of Whites, forced transgender surgeries on children, etc as part of the dystopian nightmare. A modern 1984 or Brave New World written by an Isaiah or Jeremiah of sorts, who precisely wants to pull at the dark underbelly of what’s politically incorrect, instead of being politically correct tripe about the lived experience of BIPOC or whatever?

Basically, transgressive in that it’s even POLITICALLY transgressive. Again, not sound like /pol/, but is there anything like this that’s real and well written, or do I have to do it myself and ironically be the next Henry Miller, Vladimir Nabokov, etc., in terms of having their books burned by social justice warriors?

This, again, is not about /pol/ specifically but about the aesthetics of political correctness.

Something like a David Dees painting meets Naked Lunch, Brave New World, 1984, a Philip K. Dick movie or book (such as “The Man in the High Castle”) and/or a satire of America in the vein of “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis or Philip Roth’s “The Plot Against America.”

>> No.18917725

>>18917694
>you can still transmit covid if you have the vaccine
Then why are they saying people with the vaccine don't need to take tests when travelling between countries?

>> No.18917726

Maybe you should actually read the Unabomber manifesto and see it explains leftism perfectly without judging it beforehand because some people on the right may like it

>> No.18917734

>>18917694
So we should always and forever wear the mask? covid isnt going away and everyone who wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated. Go touch grass you fuckin retard

>> No.18917735

>>18917713
What you're describing is /pol/, friend. It's not transgressive so much as tiresome and snide. Read some of the recommendations above instead.

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>>18917658
You might be interested in this
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Captive_Mind
It discusses the concept of Ketman, the practice of openly complying with the ruling ideology of the time while secretly harboring dissident views.
On a related note, I’ve started taking off my mask in public sporadically and no one has scolded me yet. I already got the first shot of Sputnik, people who got vaxxee shouldn’t be required to wear the mask.

>> No.18917783

I’ve never read We, but I’m pretty sure that’s what We is about?

>> No.18917786

>>18917713
Definitely not current, but Harrison Bergeron (short story by by Vonnegut) satirises equity politics, which is kind of along these lines. It's a bit too on-the-nose in my opinion but you could give it a try

>> No.18917794

>>18917658
>this eerie aura today of social justice politics, extreme political correctness, the cult of the victim, censorship, anti-White and anti-male
You spend way too long reading garbage trash on social media, twitter or whatever junk they're spewing in American mass media.
Fucking grow up, there's bigger problems than this shit.

>> No.18917800

>>18917794
absolutely cringe and bootlickingpilled

>> No.18917813

>>18917694
The mask is negligible in preventing transmission.

https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

Yes, that is a schizo link and you will dismiss it.

>> No.18917849

>>18917800
>n-noo let me spend all day in twitter and pol

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>>18917800
How is it bootlicking? I'm telling him to stop spending time on absolutely worthless cultural spectacles and trivialities so he can instead focus his time on topics that actually matter.

>> No.18917860

>>18917794
There aren't, actually.

>> No.18917874

>>18917856
Such as?

>> No.18917889

>>18917860
Defining yourself by your opposition to minority subcultures is weird as hell. Cancel culture barely exists if you're not a sperg on twitter.

>> No.18917891

>>18917734
You'll be wearing the mask forever and you'll LIKE it, goy!

>> No.18918009

>>18917856
Because you refuse, on principle, to acknowledge the aura OP describes, or consider it anything beyond laughable paranoia. There is really no reason so shame the skeptical unless you are foolish enough to not be skeptical, or you simply side with those you believe shouldn’t be questioned

>> No.18918063

>>18917889
the whole point is that the subcultures have ceased to become minority, even if the actual populations remain so (e.g. there are far more trans-movement zealots than transgenders, and the impact on large international corporations is far greater than other, more populous demographics) and what the potential impact of this is.
a lot of these policies have trickled down, by means of the politically sympathetic, into public school curriculums-- there is an unironic, concentrated effort to affect the minds of children and make them more receptive to this kind of quasi-political indoctrination. if you fail to recognize this as serious, it's 100% the result of your own intenitonal ignorance

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>>18917874
Hmm let's see.
>Climate catastrophe
>Domestic and international inequality
>Stagnating wages, being unable to support a familly without sacrificing your life, dream or ambitions entirely
>Pollution
>Increasing migration due to awful foreign policies and also climate related
And one that barely gets any mentions
>The fact that male sperm quality is so abhorrent that Western males might just become impotent in the next couple of decades
>>18918009
Why would I acknowledge when it's literally irrelevant outside of hysteric online circles and cheap propaganda peddled to the most stupid and ill-educated of the population? You might as well claim that an enjoyer of Classical music should start appreciating niggertunes/pop music solely because it's popular.

>> No.18918096

>>18918063
I'm not American. Sorry your country is broken. Speaking as a teacher, modern pedagogy largely folds into the idea that teaching children to assess and analyse critically is best practice.

>> No.18918128

>>18918089
it's relevant to the thread you chose to post in, you fucking child. if a classical music enjoyer decided to post smugly and ignorantly on a forum specifically for hip-hop fans, they could rightly expect to be derided as a fucking shill for outdated and irrelevant status quo principles.

>>18918096
what a cope-- you can keep delineating between problems that are worth your time and not, but you ultimately neglect to see the problems perpetually on your horizon.
>speaking as a teacher
let me speak as someone who absolutely does not give a fuck: I don't give a fuck

>> No.18918138

>>18917658
Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut has certain elements of the parody that you're looking for, but doesn't encapsulate it entirely. A surprisingly prescient story.

>> No.18918143

>>18918128
>it's relevant to the thread you chose to post in
And the point I'm trying to make is that OP's entire endeavor is fucking worthless and a waste of time, if someone tries to open a can with their teeth I feel kind of obligated to hand them a can-opener.

>> No.18918148

>>18918089
this whole diversion is irrleevant if your problem with the issues mentioned in OP is that they distract from solving these relevant issues
why don't you just fuck off and accept that people want to talk about things you don't?

>> No.18918152

>>18918128
Baffled by what argument you're trying to make. You brought up schools and it's something I know enough to comment on. Teaching kids to think for themselves is good because it means they can surpass you in the right conditions.
You don't give a fuck, but maybe you should. Maybe you'd learn to think for yourself rather than parroting reactionary youtubers.

>> No.18918166

>>18918143
but you haven't offered a can-opener (a solution) you've offered an insult. further, no one's opening a can with their teeth (attempting something obvious, in an incorrect manner) OP is asking for books recs based on his own perceptions of the world we live in. all you did was jump in to call him stupid, so I feel obligated to off you a solution now: shut the fuck up

>> No.18918202

To be honest OP, I don't see why you need a book to explain the shit that you're able to witness yourself. People are regressing back to tribal mentality and white people are going to be the last to do so, so we get the short end of the stick. Multicult is a failure. Why are our governments still pushing it? Well that's where things get a little /pol/. The progressive agenda creates ideologues, people who think they are victims, even in modern society, so they take it out on the common working man who has found stability and isn't a victim. Also communists control education so it's only going to get worse unless people just refuse to go to college. But this will create a doomed system since every job that doesn't suck needs a degree and a certificate. Shits fucked.

>> No.18918211

>>18918152
>i know enough
oh shit, you didn't catch how i responded to this, so let me repeat I do not give a fuck. teachers are generally morons until you enter high level academia, so please don't make me repeat myself. also, teaching people your own dictums and telling them its thinking for themselves is one old trick, try to live in the real world and maybe you'd have more useful opinions.
>learn to think for yourself by appreicating my opinion
yep, pretty unsurprising. you really are a fucking teacher, how revolting.

>> No.18918217

>>18918202
>People are regressing back to tribal mentality
nothing wrong with that, you sóy guzzling sòycuck

>> No.18918231

>>18918217
Didn't say there was faggot. learn to read

>> No.18918234

>>18918211
"I don't care" isn't a response, it's a retreat. I understand why you don't like teachers. I'll repeat that I'm not from your country and most countries have well-build education systems. Sorry you were raised the way you were.

>> No.18918238

>>18918231
I don't read trash

>> No.18918252

>>18918238
t. doesn't understand the idea of regression and progression in the chronopolitical metaphysic

>> No.18918262

>>18918234
take it as whatever you want, ultimately it's the same move away from your trite, holier-than-thou, argument from authority. all I've said in this thread is it's not wise to mock skepticism, and all your coping really doesn't affect that, no matter how much you'd like to talk down at me from an anonymous post, you're saying truly nothing except that you love giving a good spit-shine for your social betters.

>> No.18918298

>>18917725
Because different countries have different rules. Im fully vaxxed and if I return home to Canuckistan, I need to provide a negative test result. Places like USA don't care though and anyone can fly in and cough on people.

>> No.18918299

>>18918262
Again I'm baffled by your argument. Where do we form understanding except by experience and exploration? I've read the educational theory and I've applied it. I've reflected and improved.
Your entire position seems to be antiintellectualism at best and singing-with-fingers-in-your-ears at worst.
If you don't think teaching inquiry based learning is the way forward, what is your counter-model? Direct indoctrination? Master-apprentice?

>> No.18918323

>>18918299
>I'm baffled
that's because it's not an argument, you fucking autistic worm-- I'm literally just calling you a bootlicker and telling you to fuck off. holy christ, you have a disgustingly sclerotic mindset, I guarantee you are only a teacher because you cukdn't perform in any other field, you;d do well in our American educational system frankly.
>you entire position
haven't made one; see above^
>what's your counter-model
this is a book rec thread you dense fuck. no one cares about your opinions or arguments beyond simply telling you you are an insipid fuck when you say something stupid-- it's not our job to elucidate you and teach you how to converse like a worthwhile human being. good fucking lord, you are a fucking waste of time.

>> No.18918352

>>18918323
If you can't back up anything you say, don't say anything. You brought up arguments about schooling but the truth is you don't have a leg to stand on. I haven't seen you make a book recommendation yet. You should stick to what you know in future.

>> No.18918364

>>18918352
lol, never have I even claimed to have said anything beyond don't mock skepticism-- which you continue to evade and attempt to construct some argument we've been having, when in actuality you just keep digging down and trying to save face after being disgrearded as a complete moron.
stick to what you know: thew view from inside your own colon. again: you are a waste of time :)

>> No.18918387

>>18918364
Digging down, meaning returning to your original claims? Whose boot am I licking? In what way are 'most teachers' this way or that, and what academic context are you talking about? Is your anonyminity different to mine?

You won't stop on any given point because you're bad at interacting with people. Maybe you should be a teacher in your country?

>> No.18918422

>>18918387
digging down as in there seems to be more, irrelevant points added to our discussion only by you: you're a teacher, the American education system, educational theory, how to teach kids-- these have nothing to do with acknowledging a skepticism of the status quo in general, or at least in terms of whether having said outlook is acceptable enough to ask for fucking book recs.
I don't know whose boot it is but it must be tasty to keep you here this long.
>most teachers
oh fuck off, it was an insult to get you to shut the fuck up which you seem resistant to doing in any case. in the very least, you admit you are a teacher and I can identify that you're a moron. ergo: there is a distinct correlation between being a teacher and being a moron I will identify, but say no more on ;)
my anonynymity is different because it is maintained and appreciated, whereas you seem to want to identify yourself in an effort to make me see your point-- arguing from authority. if you want to do this maybe you should fuck off to... well, you know where...
ngl it's hard to interact with pedantic, self-righteous ingrates, so I guess I'm sorry for being too heavy-handed with you and not treating you like the child you actually are.

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>>18917772
>Aesthetic Ketman, the practice of escaping from Socialist Realism by secretly filling one's life with art, literature, and music of past ages.
Replace "socialist realism" with "current timeline" and it will be literally me.

>> No.18918557

>>18918096
>he believe you can teach someone to be free.
>he is a teacher
so obvious.
no buddy, you dont even understand how you are trying to mold those boys and girls.

>> No.18918721

>>18918089
Unrelated but what anime is this image originally from

>> No.18918733

>>18917658
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://ia800403.us.archive.org/31/items/TheNewTotalitarians/The%2520New%2520Totalitarians.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj_ssKn-MzyAhVPhuAKHUUEDuIQFnoECAUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2fH_Ml-SwiHIVEYxjmiNZr

.pdf of The New Totalitarians by Roland Huntford (first result on a .pdf Google query if you don't trust the link). Not contemporary, but the analysis of Sweden's weird collectivist society, with a long entrenched bureaucracy more powerful than elected representatives, is like a 30 year predictor of trends in the EU.

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>>18917658

>> No.18918903

>>18918721
league of legends

>> No.18918963

>>18917658
Pics I forgot to post

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>>18918963

>> No.18919029

>>18917674
Can't beat the Koch.

>> No.18919201

>>18918298
>canadian
Oh, it shows!

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>>18918298
Pic related is domestic guidelines from your country's public health agency. This seems to imply that being vaccinated reduces your ability to spread the virus. I think the most obvious conclusion is that while being vaccinated does not prevent you from spreading the virus (neither do masks), it does significantly reduce the likelihood, because your body will recover faster and you will no longer be infected. If you know of any data that confirms this though I'd be interested to see (not being sarcastic)

(Source: https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/awareness-resources/vaccinated-against-covid-19-public-health-measures.html))

>> No.18919584

>>18918089
>The fact that male sperm quality is so abhorrent that Western males might just become impotent in the next couple of decades
Oh thank god. The curse known as 'whitey' will soon be lifted from this planet

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>>18918202
That’s fair enough. I guess I’d have to write such a book myself. This itself WOULD be the book, assuming I weren’t enough of a plebeian dumbass to write it. The ultimately politically incorrect book, that they’ll burn on the streets just like Nazis burned books about trannies.