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[Anonymous No.18923253]

Was he the closest humanity has come to a Nietzschean Overman?
>staunch anti-socialist
>true aristocrat
>enemy of democracy
>interested in Eastern spirituality
>great military leader
>great political strategist
>not constrained by plebeian morality
>ruthless and uncompromising
have you read any books about him /lit/?

[Anonymous No.18923271]

Hmm I think Sergey Nechayev was perhaps one

[Anonymous No.18923337]

I want to know too. I have only heard about Ich Befehle (Strive and glory) but don't have any idea if it's good or if the author knows what he's talking about.

[Anonymous No.18923348]

>>18923253
He looks too short to be an Übermensch. He has to be 5'8 at most

[Anonymous No.18923364]

>>18923253
>Scared Cossacks

That fact alone is pretty based

[Anonymous No.18923374]

>>18923348
>5.8 manlet coping hard
Listen man, i mean kid, you need to be 6ft+ to be considered a man.

[Anonymous No.18923375]

Hmm I think Marquis de Sade was an ubermensch. Mishima too

[Anonymous No.18923390]

>>18923375
>Mishima
LARPer who failed his one attempt at a coup d'etat. He is no match for the Bloody Baron

[Anonymous No.18923391]

>>18923253
>staunch anti-socialist
you can be a nietzschean socialist. nietzsche's qualms with socialism was a product of his time. shit like "redistribution" and "welfare" were the prevailing socialist ideas of the time.

compare that to blanqui or sorellian socialism. i think nietzsche would consider lenin to be a "higher man".

[Anonymous No.18923403]

>>18923390
He wanted to fail !!

[Anonymous No.18923404]

Mongols thought he was the re-incarnation of the god of war or at least of genghis khan. He was so based that people literally didn't have an earthly explanation for it. Confirmed Übermensch.

[Anonymous No.18923410]

>>18923391
Lenin wasn't an actual socialist, he was an autocrat.

[Anonymous No.18923436]

>>18923374
Based illiterate

[Anonymous No.18923442]

>>18923403
wanting to fail isn't really ubermenschy now is it?

[Anonymous No.18923456]

>>18923410
lenin was totally a true believer, but he went against some marxist principles for his attempt at socialism.

i consider myself an anti-popular socialist, and it's thoroughly compatible with my nietzschean worldview. if my understanding of nietzsche is correct he wanted a revaluation of values and no more slaves to be produced and the overman to be created. I think the capitalist mode of production necessarily creates more slavery and in a society of overmen they would obviously be in control of their labor power.

>>18923442
actually failing on purpose of making your life a tragic work of art is pretty overman.

[Anonymous No.18923459]

>>18923391
Nietzsche was against both the modern state and collective communes. They're not really compatible to anyone with a working understanding of Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.18923466]

>>18923456
>i consider myself an anti-popular socialist, and it's thoroughly compatible with my nietzschean worldview. if my understanding of nietzsche is correct he wanted a revaluation of values and no more slaves to be produced and the overman to be created. I think the capitalist mode of production necessarily creates more slavery and in a society of overmen they would obviously be in control of their labor power.
holy based. are you some flavor of national socialist?

[Anonymous No.18923477]

>>18923459
the state is a means to an end. his criticism of the state is that the state is saying shit like "I THE STATE AM THE PEOPLE", but if the ruling body recognized itself as a completely separate entity and had no desire to appeal to popular sentiment but rather assert it's will on to the masses through policy and education then I don't see any reason why nietzsche would be against it.

every philosopher would like to be in a position where they are able to rule

[Anonymous No.18923482]

>>18923477
That's called aristocracy, not socialism.

[Anonymous No.18923498]

>>18923456
Are you not just replacing one set of slave masters with another

[Anonymous No.18923540]

>>18923466
i am for patriotism because I recognize the necessity of myth in riling up peoples sentiments and keeping them united under a common cause.
i am not a nationalist in the sense that I do not have chauvinist tendencies and i generally oppose such sentiment especially in europe, so I definitely agree with nietzsche's views on nationalism.

i would place myself in the left wing of italian fascism, the left wing I cannot stress enough because fascism was not a monoculture and varied from city to city in italy and the fact that there were so many differing opinions of what fascism was explains the contemporary inability of people to classify it. mussolini himself was greatly influenced by stirner and nietzsche and was far more true to nietzsche than hitler, who I doubt even read nietzsche.

remember, fascism was not a mass movement, but revolutionary militants who sought to structure society in their vision.

>>18923482
socialism is a mode of economic organization. aristocracy is a title. there is no reason for aristocratic radicals to not want to implement socialism.

>>18923498
yes but the goal of these new masters is to educate and breed their slaves better in order to set them free. whereas capitalist mode of production can only survive on the creation of new slaves.

[Anonymous No.18923615]

>>18923540
Why would a slave master set free his slaves?

[Anonymous No.18923635]

>>18923540
>there is no reason for aristocratic radicals to not want to implement socialism.
True, but there's also no reason to care about it either, except as a means to an end.

[Anonymous No.18923664]

>>18923615
because they want to? or more specifically because *I* want to. I am not saying it's some moral imperative or whatever, or that slavery is some great moral error, only that I don't want to live or want my children to live surrounded by slaves. To me it is unpleasant.
>>18923635
i am the aristocratic radical in question, and I care about it. again, socialism is a mode of economic organization. remember that work can be very fulfilling and even fun if it is the right kind of work. to take away work from a man who loves it one would have to kill him.

now you are telling me in an overman society, overmen would not be in control of their labor?

[Anonymous No.18923675]

>>18923664
>remember that work can be very fulfilling and even fun if it is the right kind of work.
Doesn't sound like an overman thing to say or believe. You can be in favor of socialism if you want, I just fail to see how it is compatible with Nietzsche's express views, especially his endorsing of slavery.

[Anonymous No.18923689]

>>18923675
the overman has goals and the overman's goals *are* his work.

[Anonymous No.18923703]

>video games
>ecelebs
>twitter
>glowniggers
Wtf is wrong with zoomers?

[Anonymous No.18923733]

Albrecht von Wallenstein

[Anonymous No.18924643]

Bump

[Anonymous No.18924675]

>>18923391
Lenin was the definition of an overman as he would be in reality
A scummy misanthrope who only brought suffering to others
Creating a state from which his wife would eventually get fired from being his widow

[Anonymous No.18924697]

>>18923540
I think I just heard your microwave ding; the tendies are ready.

[Anonymous No.18924783]

>>18923253
>>interested in Eastern spirituality

[Anonymous No.18925950]

After winning the Iron Cross during WWI as an infantry commander, Naumann founded the League of National German Jews. The League's proposal to deal with the Jewish question was the complete assimilation of Jews into Jewish culture.

He once had an argument with Herman Goering about whether NSDAP were anti-semetic in practice. Goering tried to enlist Naumann to address international protests against Nazi antisemitism by saying that no such thing took place. Naumann, who argued that antisemitism was a necessary component of jewish assimilation, declined.

In 1935 Naumann was arrested by the Gastapo and imprisoned in the Sachsenhausen concentration camp on charges of "extreme patriotism." He was released a few weeks later.

[Anonymous No.18926655]

>>18925950
>The League's proposal to deal with the Jewish question was the complete assimilation of Jews into Jewish culture.

Don't you mean German culture?

[Anonymous No.18926862]

>>18926655
yes, you are correct. I apologies my fingers work better than my mind.

[Anonymous No.18926977]

>>18925950
>Check out this BASED JEW who was even more antisemitic than the NHATZEES!

[Anonymous No.18927088]

more of /pol/fags worshiping elitists who would have them killed. You're not a spiritual aristocrat, you're a prole.