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[Anonymous No.18946310]

When I read Genesis, am I supposed to feel joy when God destroys Sodom and Gomorrah? Because that's what I feel. Immense, pleasurable joy. I can imagine a city full of my enemies, full of sinners, full of degenerates; them all being destroyed as their corrupt city falls around them. Is this the right message to take from the story? That God's will shall be executed in the most violent and bloody way. God is Love, but his also Righteous Fury?

[Anonymous No.18946323]

God of the New Testament and the Old Testament are different. I think you're conflating them.

[Anonymous No.18946334]

>>18946323
This is such a pathetic cope. What makes Jesus such an interesting figure is precisely that he WAS the one who destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

[Anonymous No.18946340]

>>18946323
Begone heretic. Jesus constantly quotes the OT and his coming is predicted in the OT as well.

[Anonymous No.18946359]

[Anonymous No.18946365]

>>18946310
If you are Jewish, yes.
If you are Christian, no.

[Anonymous No.18946375]

God's Will is that justice is fulfilled. If that means decimating the USA , then so be it.

[Anonymous No.18946383]

>>18946310
>I can imagine a city full of my enemies, full of sinners, full of degenerates; them all being destroyed as their corrupt city falls around them.
so THIS is the power of slave morality

[Anonymous No.18946410]

>>18946365
Feeling joy when evil people are killed is absolutely Christian, for the Christian's most important desire is the salvation of souls, and a purging of evil allows souls to flourish in an environment indicative to their salvation.
>>18946383
>slave morality is when you want to kill evil people
kys

[Anonymous No.18946423]

>>18946383
Nietzsche was such a mistake

[Anonymous No.18946486]

>>18946410
>Feeling joy when evil people are killed is absolutely Christian
Sounds like a good reason to not be a Christian.
I have no hatred for those who oppose what I consider good. They are misguided, sure, but I do not want them dead, I only want them to see that they and their teachings are wrong.
To best one in battle is one thing. To defeat them without striking a blow - that is my hope.

[Anonymous No.18946580]

>>18946310
Yes. You are.

>Nothing should be denied the blessed that belongs to the perfection of their beatitude. Now everything is known the more for being compared with its contrary, because when contraries are placed beside one another they become more conspicuous. Wherefore in order that the happiness of the saints may be more delightful to them and that they may render more copious thanks to God for it, they are allowed to see perfectly the sufferings of the damned.

>Whoever pities another shares somewhat in his unhappiness. But the blessed cannot share in any unhappiness. Therefore they do not pity the afflictions of the damned.

https://www.newadvent.org/summa/5094.htm#article1

[Anonymous No.18946593]

>>18946486
>Sounds like a good reason to be a Christian.
ftfy

[Anonymous No.18946611]

>>18946310
It is important to understand the biblical concept of love. Love is willing the good of the other. Chastisement is what mankind needs from time to time.

Be glad that the will of the Lord was carried out but try not to revel in the pain of your enemies. That they are defeated is good enough.

[Anonymous No.18946646]

I think you should feel afraid and humbled, because even if you're not as evil as those people, you're still in a position that God could do the same thing to you and He would be justified in doing so.
Sometimes we think we are good because others are worse, but this is a sinister trap.

[Anonymous No.18946830]

>>18946310
Wow you're a psycopath then. You should be in jail.

[Anonymous No.18946838]

>>18946410
>people who don't subscribe to my moral system deserve to suffer
Yes that's exactly what slave morality is

[Anonymous No.18946848]

>>18946580
>Wherefore in order that the happiness of the saints may be more delightful to them and that they may render more copious thanks to God for it, they are allowed to see perfectly the sufferings of the damned.
so THIS is the power of Sainthood

[Anonymous No.18946859]

>>18946310
Sinners and degenerates have never been the enemy of God. Why do you feel this way? It sounds like a personal issue.

[Anonymous No.18946867]

>>18946410
>Sinning is evil
Its like you're five years old and haven't read a single word of scripture

[Anonymous No.18946878]

They weren't just sinners. They were homosexuals and ponyfuckers.

[Anonymous No.18946890]

>>18946859
God hates sinners. Psalm 5

>For you are not a God who is pleased with wickedness; with you, evil people are not welcome. The arrogant cannot stand in your presence. You hate all who do wrong; you destroy those who tell lies. The bloodthirsty and deceitful you, Lord, detest.

[Anonymous No.18946900]

>>18946878
Based

[Anonymous No.18946962]

>>18946878
>sodom
>sodomite
You maybe onto something..

[Anonymous No.18947055]

cursed yaltabaoth thread

[Anonymous No.18947107]

>>18946310
And they turned themselves from thence, and went their way to Sodom: but Abraham as yet stood before the Lord.

23 And drawing nigh he said: Wilt thou destroy the just with the wicked?

24 If there be fifty just men in the city, shall they perish withal? and wilt thou not spare that place for the sake of the fifty just, if they be therein?

25 Far be it from thee to do this thing, and to slay the just with the wicked, and for the just to be in like case as the wicked, this is not beseeming thee: thou who judgest all the earth, wilt not make this judgment.

26 And the Lord said to him: If I find in Sodom fifty just within the city, I will spare the whole place for their sake.

27 And Abraham answered, and said: Seeing I have once begun, I will speak to my Lord, whereas I am dust and ashes.

28 What if there be five less than fifty just persons? wilt thou for five and forty destroy the whole city? And he said: I will not destroy it, if I find five and forty.

29 And again he said to him: But if forty be found there, what wilt thou do? He said: I will not destroy it for the sake of forty.

30 Lord, saith he, be not angry, I beseech thee, if I speak: What if thirty shall be found there? He answered: I will not do it, if I find thirty there.

31 Seeing, saith he, I have once begun, I will speak to my Lord. What if twenty be found there? He said: I will not destroy it for the sake of twenty.

32 I beseech thee, saith he, be not angry, Lord, if I speak yet once more: What if ten should be found there? And he said: I will not destroy it for the sake of ten.

33 And the Lord departed, after he had left speaking to Abraham: and Abraham returned to his place.

[Anonymous No.18947228]

>>18946838
>whatever i don't like should be removed from sight by either turning the head or explicit violence and affirmation of power
wow so different

[Anonymous No.18947232]

>>18946340
Come on now, Jesus constantly pwns the pharisees. What do you think they were if not Jews quoting the OT

[Anonymous No.18947242]

Not only were they sodomites and pedophiles, they actively refused hospitality to visitors and to the poor. Lack of hospitality is very bad in the ancient world.

[Anonymous No.18947280]

>>18947232
They were Talmudic, if they understood the OT and adhered to it, they would recognize Jesus for who He is. The incarnate Logos of God.

[Anonymous No.18947333]

GOD DOESN´T EXIST

[Anonymous No.18947370]

>>18946310
the bible unfolds dialectically anon. even in genesis the relationship between god and jacob wrestling is extremely different than that between god and noah. all that stuff should be read vis-a-vis christ anyway. even then christ said that the holy spirit would teach us all things. revelation doesn't "stop"

[Anonymous No.18947457]

>>18946310
Based.

>>18947333
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.18947517]

>>18947333
>evola posting
>saying god doesn't exist

really cringe my guy, maybe try reading

[Anonymous No.18947525]

>>18947517
>>18947457

[Anonymous No.18947553]

>>18947525
>Claims to be Theologian
>Is obviously Atheist

Don't care, didn't ask. Cope, Seethe, and Dilate.

[Anonymous No.18947976]

>>18947232
Jesus correctly understood the scriptures because he was literally the Word made flesh. A bunch of legalistic Pharisees thought they knew better than Him, and we know how that went. Pharisees followed the same God

[Anonymous No.18949025]

>>18947228
Yes, to the nuanced person, it is.

[Anonymous No.18949030]

>>18946310
imagine if /pol/ was around for that

[Anonymous No.18949044]

>>18946423
Don't worry, he's burning in hell for all eternity now :-) all of our enemies are, rejoice Christbros!

[Anonymous No.18949056]

what's the point of religion if you can't feel smugly superior that the people your dislike will suffer infinitely

[Anonymous No.18949161]

>>18946310
>god creates degenerates
>god burns them
WAOW! SO COMPASSIONATE. SO RIGHTEOUS.

[Anonymous No.18949172]

>>18949161
>>god creates degenerates
>NOOO GOD FORCED ME TO FORNICATE WITH THE DOG I DIDNT CHOSE IT!!!

[Anonymous No.18949175]

>>18946310
>am I supposed to feel joy
Dunno, all I know is that feeling joy is based af

[Anonymous No.18949219]

>>18946310
>When I read Genesis, am I supposed to feel joy when God destroys Sodom and Gomorrah?
Yes. Because God did it, what he did was a blessing.
>I can imagine a city full of my enemies, full of sinners, full of degenerates; them all being destroyed as their corrupt city falls around them. Is this the right message to take from the story?
No, you are not God, you are incapable of judging who deserves and who do not deserve to be punished, who is truly sinful and who is pure only Him knows. You should learn devotion and submission to God from the story, just as Abraham >>18947107 learned to never doubt His judgement.
>God is Love, but his also Righteous Fury?
God is all powerful, and God is love. God is all knowing, and God is love. When His will is enacted, it is done with love, there is no hatred in God's eyes, and you should never doubt Him.

[Anonymous No.18949229]

>>18949172
Who created the desire to fornicate with dogs? Who also created the ignorance about why they shouldn't fornicate with dogs?

[Anonymous No.18949314]

>>18949229
>Who created the desire to fornicate with dogs?
Human's evil choices.
>Who also created the ignorance
Your undesire to follow God's law imprinted onto your heart and learn more about Him.

[Anonymous No.18949335]

>>18949314
I will tell you who created the desire to fornicate with dogs - the bearded man in the sky. He is the prime mover, after all. This is the logical conclusion.

[Anonymous No.18949336]

>>18946310
That's a good christian boy!

[Anonymous No.18949360]

>>18949335
>who created the desire to fornicate with dogs - the bearded man in the sky
Desire to fornicate is not created at any point, it is just the mode of existence of your will which moves away from communion with God.

[Anonymous No.18949363]

>>18949336
O vey, the atheism really got to your head

[Anonymous No.18949364]

>>18946310
>>18946334
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahwist

[Anonymous No.18949370]

>>18949364
>Modern scholars agree
OH NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.18949384]

Anyone want to do gomorrahry with me?

[Anonymous No.18949388]

>>18949370
why don't you believe in the jahwist?

[Anonymous No.18949389]

>>18949370
>>18949364
>Modern scholars

[Anonymous No.18949393]

>>18949388
Because I trust my Lord the Holy Spirit over the (((modern scholar))).

[Anonymous No.18949395]

>>18946310
No, is not ok to feel that way. You should agree with what God did, while hoping that some of those people will be saved. You should beg God to have mercy on them like you beg him, during prayer, to have mercy on you.

[Anonymous No.18949399]

>>18949393
how do you determine which texts were written by the holy spirit?

[Anonymous No.18949403]

>>18949399
The texts which were approved by apostles and their successors.

[Anonymous No.18949419]

>>18949403
what evidence is there that the apostles approved of genesis

[Anonymous No.18949433]

>>18949419
?
In the New Testament Jesus said that the old jewish religion was truthful, and so their texts came from God.

[Anonymous No.18949441]

>>18949433
he (falsely) claimed that they were written by Moses

[Anonymous No.18949443]

>>18949419
Christ himself approved of it, saying that Moses wrote it, not some random unnamed author(s), but Moses.

>You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
John 5:39
>Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you--Moses, in whom you trust.
>For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.
>But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?»
John 5:45-47

>>18949441
>falsely
A modern bugman does not know more truth than the Logos.

[Anonymous No.18949462]

>>18949443
>John reached its final form around AD 90–110,[5] although it contains signs of origins dating back to AD 70 and possibly even earlier.[6] Like the three other gospels, it is anonymous, although it identifies an unnamed "disciple whom Jesus loved" as the source of its traditions.[7][8] It most likely arose within a "Johannine community",[9][10] and – as it is closely related in style and content to the three Johannine epistles – most scholars treat the four books, along with the Book of Revelation, as a single corpus of Johannine literature, albeit not from the same author.[11]

[Anonymous No.18949482]

>>18949462
>John reached its final form
>modern scholars
According to the modern bugman, who does not know more than the Holy Spirit and cannot protect himself from false presuppositions creeping into his thinking.

[Anonymous No.18949483]

>>18946310
God didn't destroy Sodom, it was just random space debris that fell down and Jews made a shitty story about it. Also they weren't doing any homosexual activities, that's just religious homophobic revisionism.

[Anonymous No.18949490]

>>18949483
This. Also the flood didn't happen and the world is epically 900000 billions of years old!

[Anonymous No.18949499]

>>18947232
The entire reason Christ condemns them and declares them the synagogue of Satan is because they were using scripture for their own gain. If they had really been following the OT, they wouldn't have rejected Christ as the Messiah
>>18946310
Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed is an objectively good and just action, seeing as it was done by the Lord. That being said, a good Christian is meant to hate the sins of his enemies and love them. Redemption is always possible, and Christ loves all his children, no matter how far gone. But as a loving father punishes the bratty son, so does the Father punish wrongdoers. It's not our place to try and enact God's justice, or pass judgement on it. God's will is not to be understood fully on this world. We must simply believe and trust in Him
Purge these thoughts of violence, and pray. God bless

[Anonymous No.18949504]

>>18949025
Both stand on the same ground, but obviously you can’t see this, resentment obfuscates everything

[Anonymous No.18949622]

>>18949482
how does one determine between a text purporting to be written by the holy spirit and a text actually written by the holy spirit?

[Anonymous No.18949648]

>>18946310
Ironically I felt nothing but revulsion. I saw no compelling reason to condemn either city, they had done nothing wrong in my eyes. Who then is god to destroy a city which had displeased it? What gives god's judgement any more weight than mine?

[Anonymous No.18949671]

>>18947525

[Anonymous No.18949679]

>>18949648
>What gives god's judgement any more weight than mine?

[Anonymous No.18949729]

>>18949679
See that proves my point though. There is no answer to the question, no concrete proof of the legitimacy of God's authority.

[Anonymous No.18949754]

>>18949335
You don't understand. When Adam and Eve partook of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, that was the first time when humans were able to possess the thoughts to do "evil". If they had never eaten the apple, dog-fuckers would never have existed. God didn't cause dog-fuckers, humans did.

[Anonymous No.18949761]

>>18949490
This. And sin doesn't exist, bigots! It's okay to fornicate with animals and other men, okay? Get with the times.

[Anonymous No.18949833]

>>18949729
He has authority over you because He created you. Do you think you have a greater grasp of the concepts of 'good' and 'evil' than God?

[Anonymous No.18949865]

>>18949833
Yes :D

[Anonymous No.18949969]

>>18949729
Because He is all-holy and you are not.

[Anonymous No.18949975]

>>18949865
and where does it ultimately get you? you lose your mind when you try to deny the grasp of sin over you and pretend you're some enligthened being. repent and be free, anon. Christ is waiting for you.

[Anonymous No.18950027]

>>18949865
Relating to schizos isn't healthy Anon, maybe try reading Montaigne's essay "It is folly to measure the true and false by our own capacity"

[Anonymous No.18950163]

>>18949622
By its truth and its fruits.

[Anonymous No.18950208]

>>18949364
>believing anything these people say about the scriptutes

[Anonymous No.18950993]

>>18946580
Luke 18:11

[Anonymous No.18951001]

>>18946878
How do we know what the people in those cities were like? Sure, a band wanted to fuck some angels, but do they represent all of the people in those cities? Do we know exactly what the city's sins were? What if Yahweh or the authors were lying to us?

[Anonymous No.18951031]

>>18949360
The fallen condition in which we are was completely enabled, nay, necessitated by God. He created Adam and Eve, even Satan, so that their fall would be inevitable. He set up the consequences to their falls as well, as everything happens according to His will and guidance, even if indirectly.

>>18949482
They don't just talk out of their ass, unlike you; they have evidence for their assertions.

>>18949754
God made it so that the consequence of eating the tree would be dog fuckers. He made it so that Adam and Eve could easily fall to temptation. He could have stopped Satan, but what He did was the equivalent of creating a house with cracked foundations and blaming the house's subsequent fall on the water seeping into its foundations and the house itself. Indeed, but who made us so imperfectly? Who made it so that instead of being given a second chance, or something else, our punishment would be living in a deathly world deprived of God? There could have been more or less death and depravity in this world, everything is carefully regulated and chosen for. But why only this much?

>>18949833
The church and Christians speak for God, and they are not God. They can edit whatever texts they want to provide support for what they themselves believe. Ultimately, God needs to speak for Himself.

[Anonymous No.18951033]

>>18951031
>so that their fall would be inevitable
false

[Anonymous No.18951203]

>>18951033
At least have the energy to say more than one word. God created Adam and Eve gullible and vulnerable to Satan, a very powerful and wily fallen angel. He did nothing to prevent Satan from entering the garden or tempting Adam and Eve.

[Anonymous No.18951232]

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