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>He thinks there is such thing as an objective reading of a text

Is there a bigger indicator of an academia raped mind?

>> No.18947210

Kek didn't the post structuralists debunk this?

>> No.18947236

>>18947198
Academia actually teaches the opposite. Any interpretation is heckin cute and valid.

>> No.18947275

>>18947236
Tell your professor that Nazism was the natural conclusion of Nietzsche and see what he says.

>> No.18947277

>>18947236
/thread OP doesnt know what goes on in Academia but criticises from the outside

>> No.18947279

>>18947198
the most probable meaning becomes the objective reading. just as most probably truth becomes the 'virtually objective' truth.

>> No.18947282

>>18947277
dubs of truth, OP is a faggot confirmed

>> No.18947295

Person A:
>academia bad because it teaches X
Person B:
>academia bad because it teaches not-X
Fuck off with this gay shit.

>>18947279
>becomes
When?

>> No.18947300

>>18947277
>>18947282
>T. dimwits

>> No.18947303

I mean any measure of objectivity requires you to place faith in something which serves as a criteria for truth. If you if deny that this criteria exists at all then yeah everything is subjective and truth isn't real.

>> No.18947340

>>18947303
Yes and that criteria comes from myself. My mind instinctively knows what is a new input and what isn't. I don't need an authority to tell me how to use a tool that is as personal as an inner thought.

>> No.18947345

>>18947340
good luck with that descartes

>> No.18947558

>>18947295
now

>> No.18947564

>>18947275
She would say my interpretation is heckin cute and valid because the reader creates the meaning not the author. Furthermore, language be made of sliding signs n sheeeeeit

>> No.18947568

This is your mind on high school, and 4chan.

>> No.18947576

The objective reading of any text is whatever the author was thinking when he wrote it.

>> No.18947586

>>18947300
And they're right. Unless OP is fucking 50 he has not been a student under professors who espouse objective textual interpretations.

>> No.18947599

>>18947586
>Tell your professor that Nazism was the natural conclusion of Nietzsche and see what he says.

>> No.18947600

>>18947586
the general academic validation of -any- viewpoint as a singular point of truth in a broader relativistic postmodern hellscape (as long as it is left-leaning or generated by a womyn) is one of the worst things about the modern scholastic system

>> No.18947610

>>18947558
Based

>> No.18947612

>>18947599
Is this what the thread is really about? You said that Nietzsche leads to Nazism and it got shot down?

>> No.18947613

>my professor Jeffrey Goldberg told me that all literature is subjective and there is nothing outside the text
>he even cited Derrida and Foucault for this claim can you believe?
>what do you mean my professor hasn’t ever actually read these philosophers and just reads secondary and tertiary literature?
>they told me all art is subjective and political Okay just trust me

>> No.18947620

>>18947612
You wont? Point proven

>> No.18947635

>>18947620
What point? If you had a conversation where you got shut down for such an interpretation maybe it's because, like OP, you have a habit of turning specific comparisons into broad generalizations to adopt an air of validity. I find it hard to believe pointing out a connection between Nietzsche and Nazi ideology would be declared anathema by a serious academic, but I have no idea because you're hiding behind a larger trend that doesn't exist.

>> No.18947645

>>18947635
It's a thought experiment which refutes your stupid point. We can keep going, tell your teacher your interpretation of C&P is that is a critique of women in positions of power, do you think your professor will agree? Academia loves fixed narratives, this is an irrefutable fact.

>> No.18947674

>>18947645
For your thought experiment to work you have to give the full dialogue. I can just as easily imagine framing these things in a way that works out instead of not.

>> No.18947682

>>18947674
Lmao sure thing retard.

>> No.18947692

>>18947236
Except for the ones they don't want you to have, which are the ones that show them they're full of it, then good luck. But otherwise yes.

>> No.18947705

>>18947564
She absolutely would not. Academics are especially sensitive about that example because Nietzsche would be untouchable and unpublishable.

>>18947236
>>18947277
So long as it's in the list of acceptable or inoffensive/meaningless ones.

>> No.18947716

>>18947236
>Academia actually teaches the opposite.
This. OP never took more than undergrad lower division English in college and it shows.

>> No.18947722

>>18947645
>It's a thought experiment
In other words it's an imaginary scenario that you claim is real to make a general, erroneous statement.

>> No.18947723

>>18947236
>>18947716
They teach it because that's the current doctrine, but they don't seriously practice it and never could.

>> No.18947726

>>18947275
>>18947599
>>18947620
>>18947645
>>18947682
Really strong philosophical, alcoholic 17 year old sneedtzsche athiest halfway through a bender vibes to your line of reasoning.

And this is neither here nor there but i've commented many times that the way nazism used nietzsche was in many ways the logical extension of his style. Of his philosophy? No, not as a whole.

>> No.18947729

>>18947723
You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, it's incredibly obvious you've never taken anything above English 300 in your entire academic career.

>> No.18947732

>>18947722
In other words you are the living embodiment of the descriptor in the OP.

>> No.18947739

>>18947705
Did you graduate 3 decades ago? Nietzsche is seen as problematic, a woman hater and a despiser of equality. On top of this, his view of the OverMan and relativity of morality was taken as fuel by the Nazis to engage in their genocide without a second thought. Any interpretation bashing will generate reward, not dislike, in the current state of academia.

>> No.18947752

>>18947726
I just used Nietzsche because it's the most obvious example, the one that really puts leftist academic types into a hyper defensive posture (yes I am describing you).

>> No.18947782

>>18947729
>You get an F
Well fuck me sideways professor, looks like I'll never get that gender studies PhD after all

>> No.18947954

>>18947752
>>18947739
>Nietzsche is seen as problematic, a woman hater and a despiser of equality.
Well he was all of those things. In fact, he's stated those things more clearly than almost everything else he wrote about.
He's being seen there how he wanted to be seen. Even so, the professors don't necessarily focus on that. I studied in uni 2015-2019 and took 3 classes in which he was curriculum. Professors only made occasional jokes about his syphilis and misogyny, but took his philosophy quite seriously, even defending him against the nazi appropriation.
It's me that won't completely defend him; he shirked his role as communicator almost wholly through his career and invited ambiguity at every turn. Why shouldn't we criticize philosophers for communicating poorly, especially when that poor communication leads to literal genocide? Sure, the nazis have a bigger role in it than nietzsche, but nietzsche can't escape all blame here.
Still, academia fucking loves nietzsche's oblique "nobody-gets-what-i'm-saying-teeheehee" style and his amorphous philosophy can be taken in a million ways so obviously it generates great discussion.

>> No.18947997

>>18947954
So I take it you were a philosophy major?

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>>18947954
>muh proffessors represent da whooole thang
You're somehow worse than the autodidact scum.

>> No.18948028

>>18947954
>Why shouldn't we criticize philosophers for communicating poorly, especially when that poor communication leads to literal genocide?
Whoa there cowboy, surely you've heard that The Will to Power had been sliced and diced past the point of recognition by a certain sister of his? Also, "leading to genocide" I would take to be a stretch at best and nonsensical at worst.

>> No.18948039

>>18947198
well i mean the choice in axioms may not be objective but reading a math text based off of axioms has to be objective unless u just like wasting ur own time because it makes you feel ALIVE

>> No.18948074

>>18948028
Yeah, i'm mostly referring to his super artsy struff like zarathustra. Instead of "leading to genocide" i should have said "presented ideas that brush shoulders with empowering genocide." Because the nazis were down for some genocide regardless. It would have happened with or without nietzsche. His style is more concerned with saying things than saying things clearly. Combine a stylistic choice that invites misreadings with a philosophy that can be used to endorse murder with a regime that needs to legitimize itself intellectually and you have all the ingredients for a jew-genocide gelato

>> No.18948084

>>18947954
Academia raped brainlet take

>> No.18948126

>>18948084
Its more of a brainlet raped academia take if you ask me

>> No.18948146

>>18948074
>jew-genocide gelato
Rather unsaccharine, to be sure.