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[Anonymous No.18954068]

>Year of our Lord 2021
>He is still reading political theory and philosophy
>He does not exclusively read theology
You're way behind the curve buddy. We, on our collective journey towards a restoration to fullness, have already dropped the petty politics and philosophies that lead nowhere. If you participate in politics, if you study philosophy, if you are still an atheist you're ngmi.

[Anonymous No.18954093]

>>18954068
One serving of your finest onions for my good friend OP!

[Anonymous No.18954309]

>>18954068
Good post. Fr. Rose is a huge inspiration to me

[Anonymous No.18954345]

>>18954068
Paul warned against philosophy for a reason.

[Anonymous No.18955377]

>>18954068
Alhamdulillah, brother. This is now an Islamic theology thread.

[Anonymous No.18955380]

I wonder what Fr. Rose would think of modern ortholarpers

[Anonymous No.18955412]

>>18955380
just heard of the guy and skimmed his wiki page.
>raised methodist
>becomes atheist
>studies chinese philosophy under alan watts
>reads guenon
>seeks authentic tradition of his own
>picks eastern orthodoxy cause his buddy is in it
seems like he would relate to them

[Anonymous No.18955491]

>>18954068
>theology
that is an exoteric point of view, I prefer to study metaphysics

[Anonymous No.18955494]

>>18954068
>restoration to fullness
oof good luck with that

[Anonymous No.18955501]

Why would I need to do that? I already have God and faith. Didn't take that long either. Eternal bliss, here I come, but I suppose I should worry about some earthly problems in the meantime.

[Anonymous No.18955510]

>>18954068
/thread & /board & /unjust desires

if you read this post you must say the Rosary or your mother will pass into eternity in the arms of the Lord tonight

[Anonymous No.18955517]

>>18954068
I see the YouTube algorithm also showed you that particular video by Fr Rose, OP.

[Anonymous No.18955536]

>>18955510
Exodus 20:3-6
1 John 5:21
Leviticus 19:4
1 Corinthians 10:14

[Anonymous No.18955593]

>>18955536
Cool thanks protestant retard. Theotokos is revered in Orthodox Christianity and the Catholic Church -- not worshipped -- revered as first of the saints.

You can go back to being a Lutheran heretic now.

[Anonymous No.18955603]

>>18954068
Amen

[Anonymous No.18955610]

Why do you assume I read political theory? I'm not a bug man.

[Anonymous No.18955621]

>>18954068
Why are Christoids so cringe?

[Anonymous No.18955630]

>>18955621
because you are under demonic oppression

[Anonymous No.18955661]

>>18954309
>>18954068
>>18955603
>>18954345
>>18955630
Blessed posts.

[Anonymous No.18955679]

>>18955661
>that quote
Thanks, now how about a solution

[Anonymous No.18955686]

>>18955491
>shankaracharya
Why do you prefer hell over Christ so much?

[Anonymous No.18955694]

>>18955679
>solution
What worked for me - humble yourself, genuinely entertain the idea that Christ is right and you are wrong, try to pray to Him to guide you into truth. Read the Gospel with a pure heart, without any skepticism towards Christ.

[Anonymous No.18955698]

>>18955661
mfw that quote

[Anonymous No.18955710]

>>18954068
Youre actually retarded if you think Christians shouldnt read philosophy. What makes this more ironic is that you post Fr. Seraphim Rose with it.

[Anonymous No.18955712]

>>18955494
It's all accessible and felt even in this world anon. Christ restores you even now, it's just a foretaste of what's to come.

[Anonymous No.18955744]

>>18955630
Christian heterosexuals are demons I agree

[Anonymous No.18955780]

>>18955686
Ignorance of Brahman is the only hell there is

[Anonymous No.18955791]

>>18955780
>Brahman

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

[Anonymous No.18955806]

I'm reading the Alaskan Saints writings and they're so comfy bros. I love reading all these personal details as they write about their day to day lives and interactions. It makes them feel that much more closer and intimate. Sometimes it's easy to feel like these Saints are uber-faithful holy beings that you'll never compare to but reading these letters makes me realise that they are human like me and that if I stay strong in faith and trust in Christ I have the ability to be a good Christian and do great things like them

[Anonymous No.18955824]

>>18955661
>that quote
fuck

[Anonymous No.18955834]

>>18955806
I haven't gotten to reading lives of saints yet. Which ones do you recommend first?

[Anonymous No.18955835]

>>18955380
Russian agents maybe?

[Anonymous No.18955839]

>>18955536
>Sola scriptura
>Doesn't bother reading Catholic or Orthodox doctrine

Ignored.

[Anonymous No.18955866]

>>18955380
>larpers

>nooooo! modern man you cannot denounce satanic falsehood and repent and turn to Christ!

[Anonymous No.18955875]

>>18955510

[Anonymous No.18955881]

>>18955834
Honestly any that you really feel connected with. I personally love missionaries and find their work really inspiring. I've also always wanted to move and live in Alaska so that's sort of why I started reading them.
Fools-for-Christ like Saint Xenia of Petersberg are always really interesting Saints because they lived such crazy lives.

[Anonymous No.18955899]

>>18955866
Go be orthodox if you've heard the call. But for many its just a trend, after all its based abd redpilled, and that is all that matters. If that fact hits your nerve, maybe its time for some introspection on your part.

[Anonymous No.18956056]

>>18955491
Based and Mokshapilled

[Anonymous No.18956071]

>>18955686
no but I prefer Moksha over Brahmaloka
>you don't agree with me so you are going to hell
why are hylics like this?

[Anonymous No.18956121]

>>18955899
>But for many its just a trend
every time I hear this it's from an (((interested party))) who doesn't want people to become Orthodox.

[Anonymous No.18956136]

>>18955679
Humility, fasting and prayer.

[Anonymous No.18956141]

>>18954068
you're supposed to read philosophy before theology anon

[Anonymous No.18956149]

>>18955899
>it's based and redpilled
>that's the only reason you like it!!
Many of the Orthodox patriarchs today are at least personally as liberal as their Catholic and Protestant counterparts though, and people still turn to Orthodoxy regardless. Your analysis is insincere.

The reason people genuinely gravitate towards Orthodoxy, and remain in Orthodoxy, is because they maintain the liturgy. That's probably the biggest reason. This is a fair reason. Orthodoxy favours maintenance, whereas Catholicism post 2.0 has a tendency towards innovation.

[Anonymous No.18956179]

>>18955899
I dont think the interest in orthodox christianity is a larp thing, if you're looking from the outside it simply seems like the one that is most likely to still have the original message of christ in it, the entire way they go have maintained consensus throughout the centuries implies it and the Pope and Prot churches are just so blatantly political and worldly. If I were going to try to be christian I would definitely try to join an orthodox church.

Also doesn't have much of any 'based and redpilled' connotations, it's a bit old fashioned from contemporary perspective but its still Christianity which is just not a very 'based and redpilled' religion/ideology. Even Islam makes more sense if that's what you're after but some some kind Evola type Pagan larp is probably best.

[Anonymous No.18956217]

>>18956179
On an even more general note why do so many people consider being interested in a religion as inherently larping? Conversion has always been a thing, most people are still religious(practically everyone if we admit certain ideologies are quasi-religious), it is natural impulse people have.

[Anonymous No.18956224]

>>18956217
Many, many people here argue in bad faith.

[Anonymous No.18956240]

>>18956217
I think it's because many people today have their ability to have faith in the supernatural completely burned away by modernity, so when they come closer to religion they do so inspired by reactionary politics rather than anything positive, and they try to pull through despite their lack of true faith, simply because they find utilitarian value in what faith represents
I'm not saying that everyone who is religious is LARPing but I'm afraid that this is pretty common. It's very difficult to conjure faith out of thin air in modern times, especially when only a few years earlier you were (likely) enjoying the comforts and narratives of modernity and didn't have a single thought about Christ until idpol zoomers took over all your hobbies and entertainment

[Anonymous No.18956258]

>>18956240
If you lose your trust in the overall ideology of modernity would this not make it much easier to find faith in something else? Even supposing a totally atheist-psychological view of the phenomenon people need some kind of metaphysical framework and when you genuinely stop believing the modern one you are going to need another. Is this really 'reactionary' or is it just a normal process of losing one faith and gaining another

[Anonymous No.18956262]

>>18956240
There's nothing wrong with that.

[Anonymous No.18956271]

>>18956240
>It's very difficult to conjure faith out of thin air
Faith is a gift, it's not something you create yourself. Lack of faith doesn't seem to be very common among converts, it's probably more common among those who are in the religion for a longer time losing faith in miracles God performs in the sacraments and in His providence because they didn't care much for truth in the first place.

[Anonymous No.18956283]

>>18956141
>philosophy before theology
oh no no no no

[Anonymous No.18956298]

>>18956141
>>18956283
This. It's a shame Moses was not well versed in Greek pagan philosophy. It blocked him from meeting God face to face.

[Anonymous No.18956311]

>>18954068
>Christianity-Zoroastrianism synthesis is only a few decades away
We are all gonna make it bros

[Anonymous No.18956330]

>>18955791
It’s the same thing dumbarse

[Anonymous No.18956337]

>>18956311
>Christianity-Zoroastrianism synthesis
>Zoroastrianism
>literal Belial worship

"Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?"

[Anonymous No.18956338]

>>18954068
seraphim rose was a homosexual

[Anonymous No.18956352]

>>18956337
Ok boomer, Persian dualism is the only solution to the problem of evil and Christians fucking know it, they are just stalling for time but zoomers dont give a fuck.

[Anonymous No.18956408]

>>18956121
Its more likely you assume motivations of others wrongly. Like I said, feel free to become orthodox, but do it for right reasons, otherwise you're doing disservice to yourself and the church. There probably is sincere growing interest towards orthodoxy, while the type I mentioned earlier being just a loud minority.
>>18956149
>>18956179
I know, I have been to orthodox service, and have talked to the people there. They're average people there. That's my point, people, or trads more like, keep saying how untainted the orthodox church is, while its clergy in the west is more or less like in the other churches.
I'm not saying 100% of people who go to orthodoxy because its memes, of course orthodox church isn't alone in that, and I call those that adopt religions or its aesthetics because of superficial reasons larpers too.

[Anonymous No.18956431]

>>18955593
>>18955839
Watch as the Romanocucks seethe when it is pointed out that most of their practices and beliefs are not drawn from scripture. Jesus was not Roman.

[Anonymous No.18956437]

>>18956258
>Is this really 'reactionary' or is it just a normal process of losing one faith and gaining another
Partly yes but usually these new people who discover Christianity out of opposition to idpol and spiritual burnout from mediaconsoom lifestyle will immediately study theology to look for the most hardcore "pure" vision of the faith instead of just walking to their local Church and attending mass. It's like someone who decides to lift and wastes months and months on how to lift and nutrition 101 books instead of just going to the gym

[Anonymous No.18956441]

>>18956338
And he repented and left that lifestyle behind to become a monk. Your point?

[Anonymous No.18956452]

>>18956437
>look for the most hardcore "pure" vision of the fait
why would you ever want an unpure version of the faith and how do you know what is pure before first studying some theology? if you don't care about this, just go the the local megachurch and be done with it.

>walking to their local Church and attending mass
in the early church people didn't even experience the full mass as catechumens, they first learned about the teachings of the Church and heard the Scriptures being read. it's dangerous to recommend someone to go to random churches and attend mass when they don't even know if it is a true church.

[Anonymous No.18956458]

>>18956352
>problem of evil

[Anonymous No.18956470]

>>18955791
are you the same guy who thinks that posting a bunch of quotes about idolatry is a refutation of Advaita and the other systems of thought that spam post mentions?

[Anonymous No.18956549]

>>18956311
>Zoroastrianism
>all gonna make it bros
Into hell maybe. That's the only path Zoroastrianism will lead you.

[Anonymous No.18956563]

>>18955661
>you actually really want to become a christcuck deep down I swear!
lmfao the abrahamoid mind virus never stops finding new tricks

[Anonymous No.18956572]

>>18955593
Lutherans are still too based for the other anon. Denying veneration for Mary is cringe fit for C*lvinism and its offshots.

[Anonymous No.18956581]

>>18956311
Drop the synthesis with Christianity, you've already got a good religion there
Dualism is always based

[Anonymous No.18956596]

>>18954068
I am not an atheist. However I am not a Christian because Christianity makes zero sense to me and I do not believe in it. But whenever I say this, Christians seethe at me and tell me I'm being insincere or whatever. I just couldn't care less about their specific mythology, it's of no interest to me.
God is real though.

[Anonymous No.18956597]

>>18956563
The venom endlessly spewed against Christ and his religion are a major sign that this is true. Everyone knows Christianity is true deep down. Every major religion competes over Jesus and tries to appropriate him in some way, as does every cult-leader and madman. It’s all about Jesus

[Anonymous No.18956598]

>>18956581
>Drop the synthesis with Christianity, you've already got a good religion there

[Anonymous No.18956602]

>>18956598
>says the tradlarping zoomer
It's funny how Christians consistently accuse others of things they are guilty of. The religion of projection

[Anonymous No.18956612]

>>18956597
>the fact that people don't like my proselytizing means my religion is true
>people disagreeing with me means they agree with me deep down
lmao the absolute state
Jesus was based but his "followers" are such mouthbreathing faggots

[Anonymous No.18956620]

>>18956597
By that logic, Christianity and Judaism validate all other religions, as its fights against them and steals their concepts. Staring with the Greek and Roman world.

[Anonymous No.18956627]

>>18956602
I don't play fortnight or do bugdances though?

[Anonymous No.18956634]

>>18956620
>By that logic
No, it doesn't because Greco-Roman paganism isn't hated by all of the world, it's just a part of this world and treated quite loyally by everyone except Christians.

[Anonymous No.18956637]

>>18956437
It's fair to question if a given church is really preaching christianity or just the secular progressive ideology with a Christian veneer.

I also wouldntcall it merely opposition to idpol, it's a rejection of 3 things mainly imo, the 'scientific' worldview of basically newtonian clockwork, "everything happens just by accident" sort of view; and the combined concepts of progress and equality, that the world is getting inevitably better throughout time and that equality is some kind of metaphysical good(which transfers over to empirical claims about eg class, race, and sex equality). Practically every type of 'modern' believes some version of these 3 things. If you reject them you are generally considered sort of insane or a crank if not evil.

Seraphim Rose for example interprets modernity as the mass outpouring of demonic activity into our world. This is highly incompatible with the scientific and progress concepts. Christians are generally ok with 'equality' though they mean it in a more spiritual sense concerning souls than a political program or empirical claim.

[Anonymous No.18956648]

You will never accomplish anything of note.
You will not be virtuous.
You will not be heroic.
You will not be remembered.
And when you die, you will not be saved.
There will be no one to offer you Eternity.
Not because there is no God
But because you will not be worth it.

[Anonymous No.18956651]

>>18956634
>Greco-Roman paganism isn't hated by all of the world
Neither is Christianity. Drop the victim complex, you can't act like a persecuted underdog when your religion is the biggest in the world.

[Anonymous No.18956653]

>>18956648
>you will not be worth it.
Thank God we have Grace. Amen.

[Anonymous No.18956665]

>>18956648
>You will never accomplish anything of note.
>You will not be virtuous.
>You will not be heroic.
>You will not be remembered.
>And when you die, you will not be saved.
>There will be no one to offer you Eternity.
>Not because there is no God
>But because you will not be worth it.

[Anonymous No.18956666]

>>18956596
The statement that immediately btfos any religion
>I just don't believe it's true.
And in response to which they can only offer variations of "noooo you're going to hell if you don't believe in the scripturerino"

[Anonymous No.18956667]

>>18956330
Your post is inane and unspecific but yes I'm replying with "alpha & omega" because brahman was mentioned.

>>18956470
No

[Anonymous No.18956672]

>>18956651
>Neither is Christianity.
The very idea of exclusive salvation for those who are in Christ's Church is hated by everyone of this world.

[Anonymous No.18956680]

>>18956665
Your religion was founded by a Jewish man, originally intended for Jews as a fulfillment of Jewish prophecies, incorporates Jewish scripture and metaphysics and presents itself as a continuation of the covenant the Jewish god made with the Jews, but extended to gentiles.
>b-but their jews killed our jew
Christianity is inseparable from its Semitic roots. Cope.

[Anonymous No.18956685]

>>18956680
>Semitic roots
The modern Jew does not follow its Semitic roots. The true continuation is Christianity, as you have said.

[Anonymous No.18956689]

>>18956648
Your intuition of religion appears irreparably infested by narcissism

[Anonymous No.18956690]

>>18956672
Not really, people just disregard it. All religions except Hinduism and retarded shit like Baha'i have the same exclusive view of salvation and say those who don't follow their particular views are damned/blind/misled etc. These claims are simply disregarded by people who are not interested in them. You're not special.

[Anonymous No.18956693]

>>18956690
>All religions except Hinduism and retarded shit like Baha'i have the same exclusive view
lol, no

[Anonymous No.18956696]

>>18956685
Sorry but I'm not interested in being a "true Jew" or in the petty squabbles of tribes in the desert 2000+ years ago.

[Anonymous No.18956698]

>>18954068
>believing in quietism
this is why the orthodox church has always been the appendage of whatever local emperor / sultan / general secretary / president-for-life that pays their wages.

[Anonymous No.18956704]

>>18956690
>people just disregard it
It makes most normal people upset and angry since they think it is "mean", only the pseudointellectual 4chan type of people think it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.18956711]

>>18956693
Buddhism
>if you don't follow the Buddha's teaching, you will never be liberated; if you follow other teachings, they are invariably inferior to the Buddha's and at most will lead to inferior states
Islam
>if you're not a Muslim, you're damned
Judaism
>the goyim don't possess the spark of divinity God put into the chosen people, so they'll simply disappear alongside the world
etc
But sure keep larping as a persecuted community when you have by far the most believers out of any other religion

[Anonymous No.18956712]

>>18954068
What are the essentials to theology then?

[Anonymous No.18956714]

>>18956689
> admits he will not be saved because he simply isn't worth saving
> "YOU ARE A NARCISSIST."

[Anonymous No.18956722]

>>18956704
>It makes most normal people upset and angry
It really doesn't. You're attacking a strawman because you really want to believe in your underdog narrative. Even the most liberal people don't give a shit about the exclusivist soteriology, they only dislike Christianity because it doesn't condone faggotry and giving hormones to kids. Nobody gives a shit about the theology.
>pseudointellectual
Not everyone who thinks your religion isn't true is a pseud.

[Anonymous No.18956723]

>>18956714
Religion is not about the meme image your fragile ego constructs of itself

[Anonymous No.18956724]

>>18955661
Delete this!
…
(Has my heart grown too hard?)

[Anonymous No.18956728]

>>18956714
Did you miss the whole point Christianity makes about how everyone is a sinner and no one 'deserves' salvation?

[Anonymous No.18956730]

>>18956711
>>if you're not a Muslim, you're damned
they don't believe this. "monotheist christians" (whatever this means) aren't counted as unbelievers, also those who are "monotheist" but don't know about Muhammad or the Quran. You can not even know about Muhammad and still be saved.
>Buddhism
they believe in reincarnation, so you can follow any religion that teaches virtue and fights desires and just reincarnate later to follow the "true path".
>Judaism
they think the righteous goyim will have a lesser place as servants of the Jew in the world to come.

[Anonymous No.18956732]

>>18956704
>>18956722
Oh, unless of course you mean that incessantly telling people who don't care and want you to go away that they'll burn forever for not accepting Christ qualifies as "making people irrationally angry" but you'd have to be extremely autistic to think that's an appropriate example.

[Anonymous No.18956734]

>>18956722
>because it doesn't condone faggotry and giving hormones to kids
Rather because it says these things will lead you to eternal damnation. That's the underlying satanic impulse.

[Anonymous No.18956741]

>>18956730
>they think the righteous goyim will have a lesser place as servants of the Jew in the world to come
It is unreal how insufferable their religion is

[Anonymous No.18956743]

>>18956714
>>18956648
Begone, whore of Babylon.

[Anonymous No.18956750]

>>18956730
>they don't believe this
Are you seriously arguing that Muslims aren't extremely exclusivist in their views on salvation? Just stop
>they believe in reincarnation
They would say no to that
>just reincarnate later to follow the "true path".
Not an argument. Just because they don't have a linear eschatology doesn't mean their soteriology isn't exclusivist. See: icchantikas.
>they think the righteous goyim will have a lesser place
Not after death. Read the relevant passages in the Zohar

[Anonymous No.18956759]

>>18956734
Doesn't matter. Most people don't care about what you think is satanic or will damn them since they think everything you have to say is bullshit in the first place.
You people have a warped view of how normal people think, real life isn't twitter, people are spiritually barren for the most part, they don't feel offended because you preach eternal damnation, they feel annoyed because you're bothering them with nonsense.

[Anonymous No.18956761]

>>18956723
>Religion is not about the meme image your fragile ego constructs of itself
The sheer lack of self-awareness needed to write this in a LARP thread...

[Anonymous No.18956776]

>>18956761
You're the one who started spluttering about being heroic and special in a thread about christianity, a religion which advocates humility and universal salvation

[Anonymous No.18956785]

>>18956776
>universal salvation
*universal call to salvation

[Anonymous No.18956809]

I don't see the point in arguing about religion anyway. You're not going to convince people, especially here. The best you can do is recommend books.
The incessant shilling on this website has done more to definitively turn me away from Christianity than any fedora talking point I've ever read. "Christians" tearing each other to shreds in their own threads because of doctrinal divergences and wishing fire and brimstone upon each other made me realize I would never want to be associated with such people.
Since I like doing things thoroughly though, I still endeavored to read the Gospels and see if they meant anything to me, making sure to divorce them completely from the retardation I'd seen from Christians thus far, but the only thing that did was make me realize the faith is simply predicated on whether or not you choose to believe certain specific events happened and were meaningful a couple millennia ago. Since I don't, and don't particularly care, it did absolutely nothing for me.
Eastern religions are also unsatisfying for different reasons. My point is that being a proselyte will only serve to establish a circlejerk of like-minded larpers but do very little else. Some people simply aren't drawn to your religion, and no, they're not lying to themselves, that's your own narrative.

[Anonymous No.18956888]

>>18956431
> he still fell for the Sola Scriptura meme

[Anonymous No.18956927]

>>18956441
he lived with just one other monk who he probably had gay sex with.

[Anonymous No.18956936]

>>18956809
Religion is for midwits.

Just view yourself as part of a community with a history going back to prehistory and then study this history. Thats it. Community is all that matters

[Anonymous No.18956956]

>>18956936
Spirituality is important. But I am disillusioned with institutional religion.

[Anonymous No.18956992]

if you're still posting on 4chan after your ortho conversion, you're larping.

[Anonymous No.18957008]

>>18956648
Why though?

[Anonymous No.18957154]

>>18957008
Because you are debating Christian theology on nepalese finger-painting forum.

[Anonymous No.18957189]

>>18954345
Where?

[Anonymous No.18957193]

>>18956680
Does this mean I am technically entitled to a Jewess wife with bouncy Khazar milkers and a hefty schnoz?

[Anonymous No.18957198]

>>18956992
>>18957154
>if you belong to a religion you cant use the internet you have to be a monk
You realize this is ridiculous

[Anonymous No.18957205]

Orthodox bros... we are more alike than you think

[Anonymous No.18957228]

>>18956992
>if you're still speaking on the Athens forum after your ortho conversion, you're larping.

[Anonymous No.18957236]

>>18954345
>>18957189
i think the anon's probably referencing the ending to ecclesiastes, that's the only biblical passage i can think of warning against philosophy

[Anonymous No.18957251]

>>18954345
Luke 2:45-46
>46 And it came to pass, that, after three days, they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, hearing them, and asking them questions.

>47 And all that heard him were astonished at his wisdom and his answers.

[Anonymous No.18957253]

>>18957198
surely the constant stream of cartoon porn and racism is no place for adherents of a hecking wholesome moralfaggerino religion like Christianity

[Anonymous No.18957265]

>>18957253
You think the rest of the internet is any better? Or television, or music videos or anything. Again you're basically implying you have to be monk

[Anonymous No.18957284]

How to become more ascetic in life? Is there a step by step explanation.
Im tired of falling into sin like gluttony and laziness.

[Anonymous No.18957296]

>>18957253
Honestly 4channel is the only "social" site I use and I don't see much porn or other temptations on it.

[Anonymous No.18957308]

>>18957284
just hang out on /fit/ more

[Anonymous No.18957315]

>>18957296
not him but I always end up with a raging boner every single time I check this place. it's subtle, maybe you're just desensitized

[Anonymous No.18957318]

>>18957265
I suppose you're right since the only real requirement is to "believe" and you are given eternal life. Even the lay coomer may be saved!

[Anonymous No.18957355]

>>18957253
blueboards are more tame than snapchat and instagram at this point

[Anonymous No.18957366]

>>18957315
I haven't coomed in more than a year, and I just ignore anything remotely sexual on here.

[Anonymous No.18957380]

>>18957366
How do you do it
And how do you prevent nocturnal emissions

[Anonymous No.18957388]

>>18957380
>And how do you prevent nocturnal emissions
you don't and it's not a sin

also reminder that orthodox don't have definitive teaching on contraception (and that's a bad thing)

[Anonymous No.18957395]

>>18957380
>How do you do it
Unironically confession. God gave me the strenght to resist this temptation. This made me 100% sure of my faith because I know for a fact this is not my working.

>And how do you prevent nocturnal emissions
Don't even monks have this? It's a property of the fallen world we can't do much about since it's an external attack by the demons.

[Anonymous No.18957397]

>>18957388
I'm not a Christian, I'm asking because I want to stop cooming

[Anonymous No.18957405]

>>18957397

[Anonymous No.18957407]

>>>18957397
>I'm not a Christian
Then it's really pointless, when you remove the demon of cooming from you, another demon will enter.

[Anonymous No.18957410]

>>18956992
If you don't go to church you're definitely larping.

[Anonymous No.18957412]

>>18957284
bump

[Anonymous No.18957417]

>>18957405
But are there specific instructions to be followed? That's what I'm looking for.
>>18957407
lol

[Anonymous No.18957423]

>>18957355
I like how basically all of you didn't bother responding to the hate component. Go love thy neighbor.

[Anonymous No.18957482]

>>18957423
There is hate everywhere on the internet, the only thing there is here are racial slurs against minorities which are not more hateful than anything else, they're just taboo for progressives

[Anonymous No.18957483]

>>18955834
Athanasius’ account of Saint Anthony the Great is a good read.

[Anonymous No.18957502]

>>18957417
It's not possible without establishing yourself in a higher state of consciousness through meditation. For that you have to want something higher, like liberation. It's a side effect. If you just want some ordinary thing like stopping jacking off, it won't help you.

[Anonymous No.18957526]

>>18956620
No one hates Greek or Roman religions. Children’s books are written with their gods and Marvel movies are made. Yet Jesus is a fair target for endless amounts of ridicule and vitriol. The only time Jesus is used is as a puppet to push anti-Christian agendas via his name. He was right. The world hates him, and hates his followers

[Anonymous No.18957536]

>>18957526
Stop fucking whining, there are 2.6 billion of you on the planet you drama queen

[Anonymous No.18957541]

>>18957502
Liberation yes but I don't subscribe to the eastern conception of it. So I don't know which meditative practices to follow.

[Anonymous No.18957553]

>>18957526
>>18957536
>largest religion by far
>has shaped western civilization for the past two millennia
>is, for all intents and purposes, the current "religion of the world" in terms of adherents, cultural influence and even political power
>"NOOOO EVERYONE HATES US WE'RE PERSECUTED"
Christians are insufferable

[Anonymous No.18957555]

>>18957482
You mean the progressives who want the meek to inherit the earth and to overturn all the worldly hierarchies in the name of defininitely-absolutely-not-heaven? You've become obsolete at harvesting rabble. The new Paul was born in 19th century Germany, and he too converted from the old faith to preach the new gospel.

[Anonymous No.18957564]

>>18957423
Majority of "hate" on 4chan is just banter and I don't participate in it really.

Luke 15:3-32

[Anonymous No.18957571]

>>18956698
Quietism is the only way. Worldly politics are Satanic. Our struggle is spiritual.

1 John 2:15
>Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Colossians 3:2
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth

James 4:4
>Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Romans 12:2
>And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

John 18:36
>Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

John 16:33
>These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Ephesians 6:12
>For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

[Anonymous No.18957572]

>>18957553
The trend we are heading toward is definitely persecution. Modernist dogma is in direct contradiction with Christian orthodox belief

[Anonymous No.18957581]

>>18957553
>>18957536
>he thinks most Christians are Christian
ngmi

[Anonymous No.18957587]

>>18957555
They're different faiths is my point, if you dont worship black people then 'nigger' carries the same weight as 'cracker'. Rude, meanspirited, but not blasphemy

[Anonymous No.18957594]

>>18955593
Exodus 20:4
"You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below."

Can it be made any more clear? You are not to make idols of anything in Heaven, let alone bow and pray to them. This is not some Israelite ritual that we were relieved of by the blood of Christ, but a very basic foundation of the Christian faith.

>>18955839
Why should I bother reading doctrine penned by pagans and Antichrists? How is doctrine written by fallible men capable of being on the same level as the literal word of God?

[Anonymous No.18957595]

>>18957572
>this tweet from literally who about some shitty netflix flick is proof that Christians are being persecuted
Your religion will survive this modernist trend as it has survived everything else. Hysterical dykes lashing out against their Protestant upbringing do not constitute a threat to the biggest religious institution in human history.
>>18957581
>real Christianity hasn't been tried!
Cope

[Anonymous No.18957599]

>>18957526
Based Christian

[Anonymous No.18957600]

>>18957595
>>real Christianity hasn't been tried!
Not even what was said

[Anonymous No.18957604]

>>18957595
The pic was sort of unrelated anyways (thought it was funny)
I know Christianity will survive. However, persecution doesn't entail its destruction. Same way Christianity survived during the first half millennia

[Anonymous No.18957606]

>>18957526
>The only time Jesus is used is as a puppet to push anti-Christian agendas via his name
Let me guess, you're only true Christian on this fallen earth. The world hates Christ so much that it tries to take him for itself.

[Anonymous No.18957614]

>>18955661
>pic
I have gotten indications in prayer that Jesus is for real, but I’m a bit afraid to embrace him

[Anonymous No.18957621]

>>18957600
Are you autistic?
>>18957604
It's not being persecuted. It's being made fun of by groups that aren't even close to approaching the number of adherents your religion has, and you're overreacting.

[Anonymous No.18957625]

>>18957606
No, I am not that arrogant.

[Anonymous No.18957636]

>>18957621
>It's not being persecuted.
You don't get how historical trends work do you

[Anonymous No.18957642]

>>18957636
I know I'm not going to convince you anyway, you cling to your persecution narrative that is ridiculous to anyone looking at things from a less subjective lens. Whatever you say.

[Anonymous No.18957655]

>>18957642
You say that there are more Christians than them yet true orthodox Christian belief is mocked today.
You say that we aren't being persecuted and that may be true but I never said that we are right now only that the way things are going, persecution, that is, punishment for our beliefs, will be a likely outcome in the future. One example we see today may be the inability to attend mass. I will have to either choose the state or God one day, and I'm not choosing the former.

[Anonymous No.18957674]

>ITT

[Anonymous No.18957693]

>>18957587
They are your biggest rivals in the moralizing religious space and have had you on the defensive for the last hundred plus years.

[Anonymous No.18957717]

>>18957655
>true orthodox Christian belief is mocked today.
Yes. Doesn't go against what I said.
The status quo is frequently mocked, by the way, regardless of what it is.
>punishment for our beliefs
This is currently the case for all religions that involve large communities. Hardly singling out Christians here. As I said, your frame of reference distorts reality. No doubt the average Muslim in Europe (not that he has anything to do there, granted) feels the same way as you do about his own religion.
What I'm saying is that current events don't indicate the persecution of Christianity as much as a general reaction from an outspoken "progressive" minority (useful idiots for globalism) against what they perceive to be anti-progress, much less an indicator that Christianity is the truth (which I'm not arguing against since it's a matter of faith; just saying that Netflix making fun of Jesus isn't proof that the Gospels are the Truth)

[Anonymous No.18957723]

>>18957674
"Practicing religion, huh? LARPer, you have to be deracinated from any kind of spirituality and be a dumb retarded gay materialist like me"

[Anonymous No.18957760]

>>18957723
>if you're not a Christian you're a materialist
This may seem like a funny strawman when greentexted but I know some of you retards actually, unironically think this.

[Anonymous No.18957821]

>>18957693
I'm not even a Christian and far from being rivals Progressives have totally annihilated Christians in terms of social and political power. Christianity is not primarily a 'moralizing' religion anyway, it's an ascetic-apocalyptic religion. The best christian is a monk living on the fringes of society, the best progressive is some kind of political activist or cultural influencer.

[Anonymous No.18957871]

>>18957717
The difference is that those religions and groups are a protected class in the western world and vastly different from Christians which appear to be a much bigger monolith, not withstanding, that the vast majority of these Christians do not follow orthodox belief, whether that be social teaching or dogma. Muslims don't have to worry about much at all. Their agenda is being unknowingly supported by liberals, with their apparent acceptance of mass immigration. Jews, well you know how they are. I agree however, that Christians are not the only ones being persecuted. I would say the beliefs that contradict the modern world are too, Islam being on of them. I just think they don't have as much to worry about compared to Christianity in the west when Christians don't exactly have a place to stand in the modern world (Islam does in the middle east). You saying Islam being persecuted in Europe is like saying Christians are being persecuted in China (duh).

But Persecution is a broad term that can apply to a lot of things. Is it persecution to be removed from social media? Is it persecution to be fired from your job, not being able to speak or voice your opinion? When secularism is indoctrinated and shoved down children's minds in public schools? When lgbt propaganda is shown on children's shows? Not allowed to attend mass because of covid restrictions? I'm not here to win pity points or play the victim card but these are real realities that a lot of Christians have to face today. Don't try to latch on to one of these examples because that's not the point.
The point is that Christians today have to choose between the modern world or God and the choosing former is obviously the path of least resistance.
>b-but thats not persecution!

Maybe persecution to you is outright martyrdom, but another form of it to me is the slow strangling of the normality of the Christian life itself, and you have definitely seen the fruits of that for the past 1, 2 or even 3 centuries. It will only get worse when every contention is conceded to the secular world.

[Anonymous No.18957873]

>>18957821
>The best christian is a monk living on the fringes of society, the best progressive is some kind of political activist or cultural influencer.
Yes but the Christians did both until they were strong-armed out of being the latter. Although as progress progresses we may see the older progressives perhaps become increasingly monastic and isolated, e.g. TERFs

[Anonymous No.18957879]

>>18957871
>When secularism is indoctrinated and shoved down children's minds in public schools?
Oh no anything but that please don't indoctrinate the children with the absence of religious doctrine

[Anonymous No.18957921]

>>18957871
The points you've raised affect everyone who isn't an atheist bug; not just Christians. I need to leave so I can't address your post in full but as you said yourself the conflict is between the postmodern mentality that destroys everything for the sake of destruction, and those who would prefer retaining values and principles. Christianity is the most obvious target of this destructive impulse because (due to its size and influence) it is the main bastion of "anti-progressivism", anti-globalism and so on that still survives and can't be said to be a fringe movement. Hence you will see many more attacks against Christians than against ecofascists or whatever (just an example) because the monolithic power of Christianity is still exceptionally strong and represents an obstacle to the globalist agenda. It's not about Christianity itself, it's about destroying what goes against the "plan"

[Anonymous No.18957960]

>>18957879
I’d rather have religious dogma in schools over Marxist materialist garbage being shoved down children’s throats

[Anonymous No.18957991]

>>18957879
It's actually a physicalist doctrine instead which is maybe even worse.

[Anonymous No.18957999]

[Anonymous No.18958014]

>>18954068

God is dead.

[Anonymous No.18958101]

OP here. While my original post was sincere I wanted to see through it what kind of people browse this board. We have a lot of really lost, really cynical people browsing here. God bless you all, you will all be in my prayers.

[Anonymous No.18958115]

>>18958101
Oh fuck off you self-important faggot.

[Anonymous No.18958125]

>>18957960
>>18957991
Maybe you should get on the next plane to Afghanistan

[Anonymous No.18958126]

>>18958101
>oh you're not a christian? man, sucks to be a lost soul, I'll pray for you :))
Your smug condescension is greatly appreciated, but if you were sincere, you wouldn't feel the need to virtue signal by posting.

[Anonymous No.18958133]

>>18958014
Never was alive, at least not out of out heads

[Anonymous No.18958140]

>>18958014
That's the whole point of christianity

[Anonymous No.18958141]

>>18958101
Do you feel better this way ?

[Anonymous No.18958144]

>>18958140
A jew on a stick who was the son of an idea died.

[Anonymous No.18958162]

>>18957594
>"heaven above"
He means the stars, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.18958195]

>>18958101
>4chan is spiritually dead, are their own worst enemy, and take their frustrations out on the pious and humble
I can’t pretend that I’m any better. The only difference is that I repent.

[Anonymous No.18958206]

>>18958195
Why do Christians preach this kind of pathetic self-hatred? No, people aren't better than I am. Yes, I have a lot of shortcomings but I'm not some kind of groveling dog only redeemable through devotion to Yahweh like your saints would have me believe.

[Anonymous No.18958210]

Should I read about hesychasm or the prayer of the heart? Or is the same thing?

[Anonymous No.18958214]

>>18958210
start with the greeks

[Anonymous No.18958223]

>>18958210
Those are some very kawaii-eyed clergymen

[Anonymous No.18958228]

>>18958223
Kawaii by the Grace of God.

[Anonymous No.18958232]

>>18958206
>Gathering virtues without humility is like carrying dust in the wind

[Anonymous No.18958239]

>>18958232
Humility =/= self-hatred and pathos

[Anonymous No.18958253]

>>18958210
The prayer. Hesychia is a means of the prayer. If you’re interested and start digging you’ll learn about how hesychasm developed as a means to pray with the heart.

[Anonymous No.18958256]

I don't even know why atheists bother to contribute to these threads they descend into religious fractionation anyway

[Anonymous No.18958270]

>>18958239
I don't think admitting you are a sinner and below God is self hatred

[Anonymous No.18958271]

>>18958206
>I'm not some kind of groveling dog only redeemable through devotion to Yahweh
You’re only redeemable through devotion to Christ. Whether you be a dog, pig, chimpanzee or otherwise.

[Anonymous No.18958283]

>>18958271
There is nothing I should be redeemed of.
>>18958270
The entirety of Christian dogma is steeped in this kind of mentality. Devaluating yourself, debasing yourself, relinquishing your dignity to beg Yahweh for mercy.

[Anonymous No.18958286]

>>18958270
>>18958271
It is a gross, self-loathsome sales pitch, in which the most spiritually sickly compete to see who can be furthest from health

[Anonymous No.18958293]

>>18958283
Its because people always have a ton of little narcissistic beliefs they are just not quite aware of. This is what motivates a great deal of our criticism of others

[Anonymous No.18958302]

>>18958286
To be fair Christianity isn't the only religion to be like this. They all preach this kind of vulgar abandonment. Why is there no religion that allows Man to retain his dignity, to elevate himself, to be anything else than a slave and lapdog of the creator?

[Anonymous No.18958309]

>>18958286
>sin is a spiritual disease
You just might be onto something

[Anonymous No.18958315]

>>18958302
Because no man is righteous before God, his maker and sustainer, the source of all that is good.

[Anonymous No.18958324]

>>18956761
I'm looking for a similiar image but its about some kind of troll face demons. It says something like "Solomon's seal binds them", "show without seeing", "tell without speaking". And it shows people on phones, etc.

[Anonymous No.18958330]

>>18958293
I'm not falling for the pilpul. I should crawl in the dirt and beg for mercy because I am imperfect? No. Any god who demands this of his creation is a fraud.
>>18958309
Sin is a scam.
>>18958315
See above. If this is true, then god's pettiness grants me a higher moral standard than him by virtue of my unwillingness to humiliate myself.

[Anonymous No.18958336]

>>18958293
Is it not a narcissistic belief to pretend you have the right to criticize without deep and profound self critical examination first?

[Anonymous No.18958345]

>>18958101
Thanks anon, I haven't posted here but every day I am reminded by my own words and actions that almost everything in me has been consumed by hatred. I need to save what little is left against the sieging darkness.

[Anonymous No.18958351]

>>18958336
That's my point, you have to stop criticizing entirely. The funny thing about this mindset is you will never see someone who has it actively preaching it because to preach it is to implicitly criticize others(telling them they arent being humble enough)

[God No.18958352]

>>18956311
>>18956352
Zoroastrianism wouldn't mix well with Christianity. Stop bringing it up.
>>18956549
Going to hell because you refuse to accept a Jew on a stick is retarded. Most of you Christcucks are just as retarded as Mudslimes. Besides some interesting poets and philosophers, I don't find your traditions that enriching.

[Anonymous No.18958356]

>>18958324
found it

[Anonymous No.18958358]

>>18958330
>I have the right to be proud and obnoxious
Sure, its your choice anon. We are free to either walk in the light wisdom or perish in the darkness of ignorance. We are accountable for every last minute detail regardless.

[Anonymous No.18958360]

>>18958352
Is the Avesta worth reading? Currently looking into scriptures from forgotten or rarely mentioned dualistic traditions.

[Anonymous No.18958364]

>>18958356
The 'internet demon' genre seems very untapped

[Anonymous No.18958375]

>>18958324
Jesus the Jew

[Anonymous No.18958382]

>>18954345
>>18957189
>>18957236
No, it's Colossians 2:8. It's one of the few instances where philosophy is mentioned directly by name.
>Beware lest any man cheat you by philosophy, and vain deceit; according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ

[Anonymous No.18958385]

>>18958358
More like I have the right to be Man.
And you have the right to be a pathetic, groveling dog, contemptuously calling my unwillingness to humiliate myself "pride and ignorance" while you writhe in the dirt and call that virtue and humility.
>darkness of ignorance
You mean the object of your worship? After all, the very followers of Christ who preached knowledge as the highest good were systematically hunted down, tortured and murdered by your church. Ignorance is your god, sycophancy your liturgy. Don't pretend otherwise.

[Anonymous No.18958395]

>>18958356
This is probably the scariest schizocomic i've ever seen...

[Anonymous No.18958396]

>jew jew jew jew
Why are atheists so obsessed with jews?

[Anonymous No.18958398]

>>18954068
How does one "study" theology? Anybody can say god is this or that

[Anonymous No.18958407]

>>18958396
The Christian is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Jew and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

[Anonymous No.18958415]

>>18958351
We don’t care about others. We concern ourselves with our own shortcomings. I don’t care whatever fantasy you deemed up by twisting words of sincerity into scandalous misrepresentations of self evident truth. That you hate those who would lay their lives for you, understanding that they aren’t any better than you by any means, or worse.

[Anonymous No.18958416]

>>18958385
Lol what a load of wank

[Anonymous No.18958418]

>>18958385
If you see other people as groveling dogs that might say more about you

[God No.18958420]

>>18958360
Only the Gathas supposedly goes back to Zoroaster, and we can't really figure out whether or not Zoroastrianism was originally dualistic, monotheistic, or even qualified nondualism. Some scriptures or texts argue for dualism whereas others for different positions.
If you're interested in the dualistic interpretations, I recommend Mardanfarrokh's Doubt Removing Book.

[Anonymous No.18958428]

>>18958407
No I don't care about any of that I'm not a poltard

[Anonymous No.18958429]

>>18958416
Seethe more.
>>18958418
Other people? No, just Christians.
If you don't want to be called a dog, don't behave like one, as in >>18958195.

[Anonymous No.18958430]

>>18958420
Sorry I forgot to remove my name. I was using it as a joke in another topic.

[Anonymous No.18958441]

>>18958420
Thanks. That's interesting since I thought Zoroastrianism was the oldest clearly dualistic religion.
Do you happen to know any good resources for Manichaeism and Mandaeism as well? As I understand it, those two are the other main dualistic religions, the rest essentially being short-lived/dead sects with little to no surviving scriptures.

[Anonymous No.18958444]

>>18958395
It spooks me every time too

[Anonymous No.18958447]

>>18958407
A jew is anyone who acts like one

>a hater of Christ
>self righteous
>greedy
>profane
>corrupt
>abusive
>cruel
>

You get the idea

[Anonymous No.18958453]

>>18958447
You can't redefine what "jew" means according to what benefits you, you know. See >>18956680

[Anonymous No.18958455]

>>18958415
I have no idea what you're talking m8, I was simply describing the whole 'dont criticize others' state of mind

[Anonymous No.18958463]

>>18958447
Christ was cool. It's his followers that are retards. I'm not an atheist but Nietzsche was right about the only Christian having died on the cross.

[Anonymous No.18958467]

>>18958429
What if I want to be insulted by haters of Christ?

>So they went on their way from the presence of the Council, rejoicing that they had been considered worthy to suffer shame for His name
Acts 5-41

[Anonymous No.18958469]

>>18958441
For Manichaeism:
I recommend buying a used copy of Religions of Late Antiquity in Practice, Edited by Ricard Valanstasis. It has a partial translation of Cologne Mani Codex and other Manichee scriptures. There are five chapters covering Manichaeism that describe the theology, ascetism, biography of Mani, and hymns. It's not well-organized, but it serves as a good introduction.
https://www.amazon.com/Religions-Antiquity-Practice-Richard-Valantasis/dp/0691057516/

For Zoroastrianism:
I recommend Textual Sources of Zoroastrianism by Mary Boyce as an introduction.

[Anonymous No.18958485]

>>18958467
>What if I want to be insulted by haters of Christ?
Don't ask me, I don't hate Christ, only subservience, slavishness and pathetic people. But if you want to be insulted, you should work on your self-worth.

[Anonymous No.18958486]

>>18958429
Listen man, I don't like christians either but all this, "I'm a man, you're a dog," stuff is really embarrassing

[Anonymous No.18958495]

>>18958455
>>18958455
>I have no idea what you're talking m8
Seen

[Anonymous No.18958498]

>>18958467
>jokes on you, that's my fetish
Lol

[Anonymous No.18958500]

>>18958469
Much appreciated, friend.

[Anonymous No.18958501]

>>18958302
No this is unique to the revelatory religions in which one finds equality in being a slave before the one true God who will punish the disobediant slaves, and for whatever reason the more you proclaim and self-convince yourself that others will be damned the more certain you become of your salvation. This doesn't really happen in India or China, where heavens and hells are due to your efforts instead of being spanked by god for disputing his priests.
>>18958309
Not sin but the conceptual introduction of sin is the disease, as an irremovable stain, except of course, unless you believe in god and his priests who promise to remove it.

[Anonymous No.18958508]

>>18958453
hahaha

Stop acting like a self righteous conniving jew

[Anonymous No.18958511]

>>18958486
I don't care that you find it embarrassing; it's true. This guy >>18958501 is right, the highest virtue in abrahamic religions is in being a slave, i.e. a literal dog. I'm not inventing anything. Even Christians will agree, they like it, they want to be Yahweh's lowest servants, they like debasing themselves as much as possible and call it virtuous. It's disgusting

[Anonymous No.18958520]

>>18958508
>n-no u
Struck a nerve huh

[Anonymous No.18958526]

>>18957614
why anon

[Anonymous No.18958534]

>>18958485
>be proud!

Now I’m convinced. Pass the pythagoras, the cicero, and the LSD. I’m applying to become a freemason now

[Anonymous No.18958535]

>>18958501
>This doesn't really happen in India or China
These religions have their own problems. They tend to praise annihilation as the highest goal while denying it's annihilation (except maybe Taoism, I don't know much about it).
Buddhism would be a great religion were it not for the no self shit for example.

[Anonymous No.18958544]

>>18958520
By doing what all jews do? Hunting Christians.

If you hate Christ you are religiously a jew period

[Anonymous No.18958546]

>>18958511
Strong Laveyan satanist vibes radiating from you

[Anonymous No.18958547]

>>18958534
I don't care about convincing you. You're beyond saving considering how enthusiastic the prospect of becoming Yahweh's cum sock makes you.
>pride is... le bad!
lmao

[Anonymous No.18958550]

>>18957595
Christianity is seeing an extremely rapid decline in the Western world. There will be no resurgence.

[Anonymous No.18958554]

Why yes I am a servant of God rather than the devil

[Anonymous No.18958558]

>>18958544
Hunting? I'm just reminding you of your semitic roots which you want to deny for some reason
Who said I hate Christ, I like Jesus, he was one of the cool jews (you're not though)

[Anonymous No.18958566]

>>18958544
You are absolutely deranged. The worst thing about christians is their insistence about their "persecution." Your religion runs the world, nobody is "hunting" you

[Anonymous No.18958574]

>>18958544
Everyone hates Christians

[Anonymous No.18958576]

>>18958330
t. Satan

[Anonymous No.18958577]

>>18958546
Right, because the idea of being a slave disgusts me, I'm a satanist. God you people are fucking pathetic.
Don't lump me in with these larping faggots. All I've been saying since the start is that retaining a level of dignity as man was good. That dragging yourself through the mud, lamenting you being a "sinner", begging for forgiveness and all around being an obnoxious masochist was pathetic and humiliating. This makes you seethe because you like debasing yourself. It has nothing to do with satanism, you just hate yourself.

[Anonymous No.18958579]

>>18958574
Leave your basement

[Anonymous No.18958586]

>>18958576
Yes retard, everything you don't understand and don't like is satan. See >>18958577 and work on your inferiority complex

[Anonymous No.18958594]

>>18958577
I don't you have the same definition of sin as a christian would have. Christians also have different ideas about it, some harmful and incorrect.

[Anonymous No.18958595]

>>18958579
Its true. All non Christians hate Christians.

[Anonymous No.18958599]

>>18958577
But everyone is a 'sinner', everyone does bad stuff. Not acknowledging this is simply denial

[Anonymous No.18958604]

Why yes, I am nobody's servant and will not apologize to some cosmic tyrant for something I didn't do nor give a fuck about.

[Anonymous No.18958609]

>>18958577
>you just hate yourself.
No I just love my father

[Anonymous No.18958613]

>>18958595
I dont hate Christians, it is the most appealing religion to me. I just dont believe in Christ being God. Not that I know he wasn't(can't know that) but I dont actively believe it

[Anonymous No.18958615]

>>18958609
>yahweh I am your slave I am a worthless sinner I deserve death and suffering
That's not love lmao

[Anonymous No.18958622]

Why yes, I am nobody's servant and will not apologize to some cosmic tyrant for something I didn't do nor give a fuck about.

[Anonymous No.18958626]

>>18958594
I know the Christian definition of sin, it's what I'm arguing against.
>>18958599
People do evil because of ignorance. There is not some inherent condition in man that makes him deserving of punishment. There is ignorance, and it can be overcome, but not by groveling and lamenting.

[Anonymous No.18958629]

>>18958577
I love myself, that’s why I’m ashamed of my sins.

[Anonymous No.18958631]

>>18958577
The irony here is that I mostly agree with you, I just think all this ranting and raging about it is unnecessary and frankly pathetic. Are you really a proud man or whatever it is you think you are? Then leave the christians to their self-flagellation.

[Anonymous No.18958632]

>>18958535
I disagree... but to stay topical consider the Christian idea of mortals being not only base and vile but being made that way by a creator—in his image apparently—who also happens to be the one who can fix you if you promise to obey him entirely and kowtow. The Buddhist tradition meanwhile encourages you to meditate on the rotting away of this same gross body in order to realize its impermanence and the transience of all such phenomena, with that realization itself being a vector towards liberation. But the Christian both hates the sinful body that is separated from god, and he also wants to be corporeally resurrected like Christ, wounds and all. So we have one doctrine which is entirely resentful of its weakness and seeks to be magically upgraded, and another which observes that the weakness is inherent to this very body and it should not be clinged to.

[Anonymous No.18958635]

>>18958626
Ignorance is a cop out isn't it. People often so things they know are bad because they want to

[Anonymous No.18958641]

>>18958626
>groveling and lamenting
Is that your idea of repentance?

[Anonymous No.18958646]

>>18958626
Evil is a meme. Read Spinoza, Nietzsche, etc.

[Anonymous No.18958648]

>>18958631
Yeah, you're right. I just find this perverse kind of virtue signaling ("look at how pathetic and sinful I am") particularly repulsive.
>>18958635
If you truly know something is bad, you don't do it, because you know it won't yield any good results.

[Anonymous No.18958653]

>>18958648
Good results for who? You can hurt someone else for personal gain, it happens all the time

[Anonymous No.18958661]

>>18958632
I agree with everything you said, my gripe with Buddhism is that in its extreme apophatism it systematically denies some essential elements of personhood. Although some say that anatta is not "no self" but "not self", the most common interpretations in most schools aside from Shingon and Kagyu iirc is anatta meaning "no self".

[Anonymous No.18958663]

>>18958641
Not him, but from what I've seen that's usually what it amounts to. When you repent, how do you do it?

[Anonymous No.18958664]

>>18958632
>dogma
I know, but lets not cast pearls before swine. Children aren’t capable of digesting solid food, they require milk.

[Anonymous No.18958676]

>>18958653
If you believe that evil actions can ever lead truly good results, then that is ignorance. Evil never begets Good. "Personal gain" is not good unless you make the conscious effort to align yourself with what is Good.

[Anonymous No.18958684]

>>18958632
>the Christian idea of mortals being not only base and vile but being made that way by a creator
I don’t think this is a Christian idea. The Crhsitian idea is that humanity was corrupted through a freely made choice of its own i.e. the Fall of Adam and Eve

[Anonymous No.18958695]

>>18958663
Confess your sin, comprehend the disastrous ramifications of the vile seeds you have planted with said sin, pray that you will not reap from it, do everything it takes to keep away from what you learned through experience is a sin, and is only deadly to the sinner. Basically acknowledge your wrongdoing and don’t do it anymore coz you know better now.

>And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”

[Anonymous No.18958698]

>>18958684
If it's not Christian, why are this thread's missionaries all saying how badly we need to be saved and prayed for because of how sinful and awful we are without having submitted to the same slavemaster as they?

[Anonymous No.18958710]

>>18958695
Basically the same as in buddhism except the buddhist take makes more sense and doesn't do the guilt tripping thing

[Anonymous No.18958713]

>>18958646
Not really offtopic question since it relates to the whole slave morality thing. Did Nietzsche ever talk about Theosis or know about it?

[Anonymous No.18958714]

>>18958698
Quit projecting. No one’s evangelizing you. You’re not special enough

[Anonymous No.18958715]

>>18958698
I don’t understand how your question relates to what I wrote

[Anonymous No.18958722]

>>18958714
ummm universal salvation sweaty, you're not being a good christian

[Anonymous No.18958723]

>>18958676
See, now you're talking like a christian. There are many examples of total shitheels trampling over others and never having to pay the piper.

>>18958695
You're phrasing this in such a way to make it seem like it's not groveling but it is.

[Anonymous No.18958730]

Nietzsche also fought a mirage of christianity, these guys really enjoy shadow boxing with themselves.

[Anonymous No.18958731]

>>18958730
>i-it wasn't real christianity!
C O P I V S
M A X I M V S

[Anonymous No.18958735]

>>18958710
That’s your take on it. If you ask me, Buddhism is sacrilegious idolatry. Just another form of jud.. ahem* satanism.

[Anonymous No.18958741]

>>18958723
>now you're talking like a christian
No need for insults. I never talked about karma or retribution (in this life), I said that evil can never lead to good. Of course if you're a nominalist this makes no sense to you, but my point is that the root is the ignorance/knowledge duality, not sin/grace or whatever else.

[Anonymous No.18958748]

>>18958722
>you're not being a good christian
I’m sorry I only wish I knew how to be

[Anonymous No.18958749]

>>18958731
>my strawman is real Christianity!!
Let's see how absurd we can take this

[Anonymous No.18958752]

>>18958735
>If you ask me
But I didn't, because I already knew your opinion and it's as trite as can be

[Anonymous No.18958759]

>>18958741
Yeah, that's what the Gathas argues. It argues the root is truth/lie dichotomy. We see it in the Gathas and Achaemenid inscriptions too.

[Anonymous No.18958762]

>>18958661
Well there is no self as is commonly understood as a subject grasping at objects of experience. The bigger debate, developed in argument with Hindu theologians and logicians is about whether Buddhists should recognize any higher form of self than the person. In Mahayana at least you get a number of concepts similar to it or taking over what its function would be, but avoiding the term, and these schools also equate that higher self with emptiness, which is not nihilism because emptiness is taught to be essential to form. So in a roundabout way, a higher self could be affirmed through negation. On the other hand this very sort of speculation, while perhaps intellectually satisfying, tends to miss the point.

[Anonymous No.18958770]

>>18958759
>We see it in the Gathas and Achaemenid inscriptions too.
We see it in the Achaemenid inscriptions too*.

[Anonymous No.18958772]

>>18958748
It's simple, just strive to be as pathetic as possible and you'll reach sainthood in no time

[Anonymous No.18958773]

>>18958710
>Buddhism makes more sense
Good one. No God (don’t give me ‘muh devas—that is different from God), somehow no self / atman yet still reincarnation, rampant idolatry, etc. Buddhism is a mess.

[Anonymous No.18958775]

>>18958714
Every other post in this thread is some christer preaching.

[Anonymous No.18958778]

>>18958741
And I will say it again, it is often the case that the cruel and ignorant live the good life, while those who strive to be good are tormented by doubt and the troubles of life. You're just espousing the same morality with a different coat of paint.

[Anonymous No.18958779]

>>18958773
I meant the buddhist take on "repentance" (the equivalent being acknowledging the planted karmic seeds)
I wasn't talking about the rest of the metaphysics which I honestly don't care for

[Anonymous No.18958786]

>>18958778
>it is often the case that the cruel and ignorant live the good life
So I'll say it again too: I never talked about retribution. The world is unjust, good is not always rewarded here, nor is evil always punished. This should lead you to a very simple logical conclusion.

[Anonymous No.18958788]

>>18958772
Sin is pathetic. Absolute surrender to the passions and the passing world.

[Anonymous No.18958790]

This one's for the bump limit, see you all in hell

[Anonymous No.18958791]

>>18958731
How could it be? It's only his own conceptions.

Just look at this
>>18958710
>guilt tripping thing
This is entirely in your own head and you blame christianity for it.

[Anonymous No.18958793]

>>18958735
>christer calls other religions Jewish
Oh the irony

[Anonymous No.18958795]

>>18958014
>>18958140
More like God is bread lol

[Anonymous No.18958801]

>>18958786
Spell it out for me, because the only conclusion I can arrive at based on what you've said is that the reward or punishment comes in the next world, which is indeed very christian thinking

[Anonymous No.18958808]

>>18958759
I think all gnostic religions do that.
>>18958762
Yes, I understand the gist of the debates. But as far as the main schools of Mahayana and Theravada are concerned, there is no such thing as an indestructible spirit, an inner spark, or anything of the sort, and to admit to the existence of such an entity would be considered another object of grasping. I understand the two truths doctrine and its emphasis on direct experience over philosophical deliberations (which is amusing since Buddhism has some of the most complicated metaphysics I've seen so far out of all the main religions), and I agree with it, but you're never going to reconcile the need for an inner spark/spirit with Buddhist philosophy or even praxis (jhanas) without serious mental gymnastics. Vajrayana might be an exception.

[Anonymous No.18958810]

>>18958793
Judaism is the hatred of Christ and rejection of the holy biblical scripture.

What they have is a talmud, and once you read it, you will realize YOU have been following it all along

[Anonymous No.18958814]

>>18958801
No, the conclusion is that the world is Evil.

[Anonymous No.18958820]

>>18958814
Christians also believe this, yes

[Anonymous No.18958822]

>>18958810
But I don't hate Christ lol

[Anonymous No.18958828]

>>18958820
Not at all. Christians believe the world is fallen but redeemed, that the material will be perfected after the second coming, and that Evil doesn't even exist. Completely incompatible with what I'm saying here.

[Anonymous No.18958845]

>>18958810
>AAAAAAH EVERYONE HATES CHRIST
Most people don't even think about Christ. Stop obsessing and seething over imaginary enemies

[Anonymous No.18958850]

>>18958822
>The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him

Either you keep His commandments or you hate Him

[Anonymous No.18958852]

>>18958822
>16 He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.

[Anonymous No.18958857]

>>18958788
Sin doesn't exist, but in all seriousness, surrendering to the passions is indeed pathetic. You should strive to be an ascetic, or at least follow a lifestyle that is as close to asceticism as possible. This has nothing to do with being a good christian though, it's more about living a worthy life in general.

[Anonymous No.18958860]

>>18958828
Augustine says that all being is good.

[Anonymous No.18958862]

>>18958850
>>18958852
Nah, I like him, he was a good man. I have no specific opinions on him past that and don't care for his religion or his commandments. Your impotent seething leaves me indifferent

[Anonymous No.18958864]

>>18958845
>Most people don't even think about Christ
Very nice. Feels good speaking a truth for a change doesn’t it?

[Anonymous No.18958870]

>>18958864
kek you are absolutely boiling in rage
Making up all this shit in your head about others, who I am, what I believe etc. Meanwhile I barely give a shit about your entire belief system lmao

[Anonymous No.18958878]

>>18958857
Life is only worthy when you live it for the sake of God. The good and the beautiful, the righteous, the light, wisdom, knowledge, truth... basically everything proper.

[Anonymous No.18958882]

>>18958878
>for the sake of
Wrong, the rest of the post is true though.

[Anonymous No.18958886]

>>18958862
Assuming you are Nietzschean, it is impossible to like/love Christ and yet despise his disciples (Paul being one of them). Read Luke 10.

[Anonymous No.18958893]

>>18958886
>Assuming you are Nietzschean
I'm not
I just read the Gospels, thought the person of Jesus was admirable, and left it at that

[Anonymous No.18958896]

I’m glad we all agree that the earth is flat and been lied to by masonic Christ haters

[Anonymous No.18958903]

>>18958860
And?

[Anonymous No.18958906]

>>18958893
>I just read the Gospels, thought the person of Jesus was admirable, and left it at that
a very common exegesis unfortunately...

[Anonymous No.18958913]

>>18958886
Paul never met Jesus. He was however a vastly more ambitious and competent man than any of the hobos calling themselves apostles.

[Anonymous No.18958914]

>>18958903
So matter is intrinsically good for the Christian. Or at least for Catholics or Orthodox.

[Anonymous No.18958918]

>>18958906
Some people just don't find your scripture as moving or compelling as you do.

[Anonymous No.18958921]

gtfo this board bodhi

[Anonymous No.18958935]

>>18958918
Reading the bible and only interpreting it to mean, "wow Jesus was a good person," is eisegesis.

[Anonymous No.18958936]

>>18958914
Everything is good, but not everything is expidient

[Anonymous No.18958938]

>>18958808
>you're never going to reconcile the need for an inner spark/spirit with Buddhist philosophy or even praxis (jhanas) without serious mental gymnastics. Vajrayana might be an exception.
Hence all the material composed on the topic invariably includes verses from the author to the effect that "this teaching, given by the Buddha before an audience of seven quadrillion bodhisattvas in the great jeweled lotus palace, was not revealed to the foolish, because they would be too dumb to get it"

[Anonymous No.18958943]

>>18958935
Right, so if I read the bible and don't immediately convert then I'm being disingenuous and projecting my biases. Got it.
People like you are the reason why everyone finds christians insufferable
Is it that hard to believe that I could read the gospels and just not be convinced by any of it?

[Anonymous No.18958945]

>>18958921
And the plot thickens. Who be bodhi?

[Anonymous No.18958952]

>>18958938
I mean that just a subtle way of saying "if you disagree with me you're a retard" which I don't find particularly compelling as an argument for anything.

[Anonymous No.18958963]

>>18958952
Yes, the original shitposting, which developed under intense sectarian competition in India

[Anonymous No.18958971]

>a year or so ago
>decide to open my heart
>pray sincerely and honestly for quite some time
>read the new testament
>ask for guidance from God and Jesus
>ask from the bottom of my heart for faith
>literally nothing
>not a single improvement in my life
>feel stressed out because I feel like I'm doing things wrong or I'm forcing myself into something
>instead of improving, faith dwindles completely
>lose interest in christianity entirely
>fast forward to now
>looking at this phase in retrospect feels like I was larping and lying to myself
>now after having let it go I'm unironically living a better life than before
Honestly I have nothing against Christianity but I think Christians unlike some other religions are too unwilling to admit it might just not work for some people.

[Anonymous No.18958998]

>>18958971
>just prays
>doesn't do anything else
>Um, hey Jesus, could you turn my life around for me real quick? Thanks JC

[Anonymous No.18958999]

>>18958943
No you can disagree with the statements of the bible but watering it down to topological messages is obviously self serving.

[Anonymous No.18959005]

>>18958998
What was I supposed to do with the lockdown bullshit

[Anonymous No.18959014]

>>18958998
>ask how to receive grace
>"just pray bro"
>it doesn't work
>"what, did you expect things to happen just by praying?"
christers...

[Anonymous No.18959027]

>>18958999
Where did I water it down? I didn't project anything onto the story, I read the thing, enjoyed some of it, didn't feel like it was some kind of higher truth, and that was it. Not everything is an anti-christian satanic ploy or whatever, sometimes things are simple

[Anonymous No.18959032]

>>18958971
Worship and praise God in the holy sacrifice of the mass. Read Christian literature, theology, philosophy, and history. Pray and try to live a good life.

[Anonymous No.18959038]

>>18959032
I did all of this except the mass because of lockdown.

[Anonymous No.18959044]

>>18959027
As long as you don't believe the bible is just some tome to give us moral lessons

[Anonymous No.18959052]

>>18959014
Who is saying to just pray. You still have to moderate your own behaviour but this time considering the teachings of Christ.

[Anonymous No.18959054]

>>18959038
What is prayer to you though?

[Anonymous No.18959059]

>>18959038
Read the Triple Way and the Mind's Road to God by Bonaventure

[Anonymous No.18959067]

>>18959054
As I understood it back then it was about initiating a relationship with God, which was corroborated by what I read on the subject. Now I've moved on though.

[Anonymous No.18959073]

>>18959038
What did you start doing differently that got you feeling better? Maybe some of the thought process you had when you were considering Christianity changed how you view things in the end anyway. Take a break and circle back to it again some day.

[Anonymous No.18959098]

>>18959073
I started really thinking about what "spirituality" meant to me past the surface level and realized that I wouldn't fill the yearning inside myself by forcing anything or wishing to have faith in any religion if I wasn't drawn to it. I was spending a lot of time on here back when guenon shitposting and other bullshit was going strong and I fell for some of their memes which gave me a sense of urgency and anxiety regarding spirituality. Now I'm more comfortable with uncertainty and seem to have found a balance since I'm not complacent and am still reading about religion and philosophy, just with a more fruitful, much less obsessive state of mind.

[Anonymous No.18959181]

>>18958586
everything god doesn't like*

[Anonymous No.18959188]

>>18959181
He's a moody cunt tbqh

[Anonymous No.18959255]

>>18958998
>if you make a small movement towards Christ, He will soften your heart so you can eventually become a better Christian
>you don't become a better Christian
>'Yeah, you should have been fasting, praying, meditating on God and reading theology every day so you can't distinguish placebo, Sunk Cost fallacy and habit with God's grace'
Notice that his faith didn't improve, it was just a lack of improvements in his life (he did not specify what this meant, evidently you know).

[Anonymous No.18959288]

>>18958788
There's a pathetic element to sin, but sainthood just proposes an opposing patheticness in order to drive out the first. It's a protracted "cutting off of your arm or eye so that you can enter the kingdom of heaven." Anything that is not self-mortifying is not the true path.

Besides, let's not gloss over the equivocation you're engaging in here:
>some passions make you a slave, therefore these things are "sins," therefore you should be a pathetic slave for Christ- it is no longer you who live in yourself, but Christ; hate your mother and father, I have come to bring a sword, do not follow tradition and do not resist evil (counter-eisegesis in 3, 2, 1)

[Anonymous No.18959372]

>>18959288
So you’re using worldly logic, reason, common sense and rational to search for a middle ground in an attempt to justify yourself.

[Anonymous No.18959405]

>>18959372
I don't see your argument. My logic is clearly otherworldly, and all try to justify themselves or their beliefs.

[Anonymous No.18959444]

>>18959405
I don’t argue, as a Christian ready to be martyred I seek reconciliation. What are you new?

[Anonymous No.18959525]

>>18959444
Don't be dishonest and pompous, your post >>18959372 is an argument.
P1) You are using worldly logic to justify yourself
P2) Worldly logic is fallen, and self-justification is justification of the sinful passions that must be eradicated
P3) My beliefs are founded on divine logic and justifies the Godly way, not the way of the ego
C) You are utterly wrong or in delusion

>as a Christian ready to be martyred I seek reconciliatio
Your beliefs are such that you will never receive reconciliation with your brothers, unless you are talking about reconciliation with some other being. Ready to be martyred, you say? Readiness is in the heart, not in the mouth. Don't tell me about your readiness, it should be an obvious decision for a Christian- to live in shame or to die and receive the Kingdom of God. There is nothing admirable or impressive about it, you aren't really sacrificing anything in your own eyes- it's just a pathetic rag of a fallen life, God is all.

[Anonymous No.18959683]

>>18959525
>brothers
My brother is anyone who acts like one. Check the good Samaritan parable for reference. Other than that your impious scumbagedry is getting old, you’re just offended with my bitter cold smugness and anti-humanism is all.

[Anonymous No.18959718]

>>18958486
>There is a hatred for lying and disguise which comes from a keen sense of honor; there is another such hatred which comes from cowardice, because lying is forbidden by a divine commandment. Too cowardly to lie.
Btfo'd by Nietzsche (pbuh)