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Does Platos breakdown on how states decay mirror the systems employed by Guenon and Evola in the breakdown of the caste systems.
Wisdom (priestly caste)
>overthrown by
Courage (warrior caste)
>overthrown by
Greed (merchant caste)
> overthrown by
Freedom via democracy (slave caste)

>> No.18964920

>>18964885
>Guenon and Evola
Cringe

>> No.18965036
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>>Guenon and Evola
>Cringe

>> No.18965077

>>18964885
>does plato do what guenon and evola did rewording plato?

>> No.18965136

The caste system was overthrown by foreign invaders, not internal dissent. It is actually remarkable how static and stable it was over such a long time. Even the Chinese were astonished by it.

>> No.18965195

>>18964885
What caste systems, plural? Hereditary aristocracies existed outside India but I don't know of other caste systems. In the Medieval period Europe had a priestly class that wasn't supposed to reproduce and explicitly couldn't pass anything on to their children if they did fuck up and have any. Before that, Roman and Greek sources are full of aristocrats complaining about new money aristocrats and common born people became emperor multiple times.

And then there is this: >>18965136


What Plato says is about what happens when different types of government are in their good and corrupted forms. So aristocracies can become oligarchy if the leaders are corrupt. Monarchy becomes tyranny, democracy becomes anarchy. He prefers aristocracy but functioning democracy is better than dysfunctional oligarchy with rich aristocrats ruling for their own short sighted gain.

I get the feeling Guenon just tried to foist what he is interested in into his analysis.

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>>18964885
If everything Guenon and Evola is saying is true then I don't have to read their books because all of that knowledge is already inside me.

>> No.18966560

>>18964885
No

>> No.18966572

>>18964885
Guenon and Evola don't use psychological analysis as much as Plato, but yes, the ideas behind what they both describe are very similar.