/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19018334]

What are some good Latin-American Literature?

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY3cHnRY No.19018373]

>>19018334
>What are some good [IBEROAMERICAN] [LITERARY WORKS]?

[Anonymous No.19018380]

>>19018334
Memórias Póstumas de Brás Cubas or anything by Machado de Assis.

[Anonymous No.19018404]

>>19018373
Franch is a better version of you deal with it.

But seriously, I never did get why people call it latin america when the only real french population in the Americans are up in quebec surrounded by a more anglophone larger sphere. THe gestalt culture of the southern parts of the Americas is most definitely best described as hispanic/iberian.

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY3cHnRY No.19018526]

>>19018404
>Franch is a better version of you deal with it.

?


>But seriously, I never did get why people call it latin america...

THE REASON IS MENTIONED IN THE IMAGE ATTACHED TO MY PREVIOUS POST: THE FALLACIOUS IDEA OF «LATINOAMERICA» IS FOUNDED ON THE SPURIOUS CONCEPT OF: «LATINITY», WHICH WAS AN INSTRUMENT TO RATIONALIZE FRENCH EXPANSIONISTIC PRETENSES IN AMERICA.

THIS FALLACIOUS IDEA WAS THEN COOPTED BY UNITEDSTATES IN PRO OF THEIR EXPANSIONISTIC PRETENSES, AS A MEANS OF NEGATIVE, ALIENATING DISTINCTION OF THE SPECIES OF «US VERSVS THEM», BETWEEN ANGLOAMERICA ON «THEIR SIDE», AND HISPANOAMERICA, AND LUSOAMERICA ON «THE OTHER SIDE»; FROM THIS «LATINOAMERICANIZATION» DERIVES THE OTHER FALLACIOUS IDEA OF: «THE AMERICAS».

THE FALLACIOUS IDEA OF «LATINOAMERICA» WAS USED BY UNITEDSTATIANS INSTEAD OF THE GENUINE ONE OF: «IBEROAMERICA», BECAUSE THE LATTER IDEA IMPLIES A CATHOLICAL SUBSTANCE INHERENT TO THE HISPANICAL, AND TO THE LUSITANICAL, WHILST THE FORMER IS ABSTRACT TO THE DEGREE OF INSUBSTANTIALITY, THEREBY NULLIFYING THE HISPANICAL, AND THE LUSITANICAL, COMPONENTS, WHICH REDOUNDS IN FACILITATION OF THEIR DOMINATION OF IBEROAMERICAN STATES.


>THe gestalt culture...

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS: «CULTURE», REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER YOU MEAN BY: «THE GESTALT CULTURE».


>... of the southern parts of the Americas...

AMERICA IS ONE CONTINENT.

[Anonymous No.19018554]

>>19018334
Bolaño, but he would have taken issue with any such classification. He was an artist who worked in the Spanish language, not a “Latin American writer”.

[Anonymous No.19018572]

>>19018526
>THIS FALLACIOUS IDEA WAS THEN COOPTED BY UNITEDSTATES IN PRO OF THEIR EXPANSIONISTIC PRETENSES, AS A MEANS OF NEGATIVE, ALIENATING DISTINCTION OF THE SPECIES OF «US VERSVS THEM», BETWEEN ANGLOAMERICA ON «THEIR SIDE», AND HISPANOAMERICA, AND LUSOAMERICA ON «THE OTHER SIDE»
ok. Or could it be that its
>All those kinda minor stats down south there that speak romance stuff
I hardly think a particular motive is needed for that idea to congel in the Anglophone american areas.
>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS: «CULTURE», REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER YOU MEAN BY: «THE GESTALT CULTURE».
the general peoplegroup with some level of distinct shared history. Like you can give general groups like Anglosphere, Northern europe, western europe (which has some areas which may or may not be included given the broad nature of the term), Indian, etc.
>AMERICA IS ONE CONTINENT.
Depending on ones definition. From a geographical pov, north and south america are more continents then asia europe and Africa are since they all touch much more readily. And the geopolitical devide between central america and south America does even give some cultural split as well.

[Anonymous No.19018574]

>>19018334

[Anonymous No.19018597]

>>19018572
You’re fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.19018614]

>>19018597
why. About the content part or about the general classification of a peoplegroup or how an idea could have formed in the anglosphere?

[Anonymous No.19018618]

>>19018614
>content
continent

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY3cHnRY No.19018666]

>>19018572
>THIS FALLACIOUS IDEA WAS THEN COOPTED BY UNITEDSTATES IN PRO OF THEIR EXPANSIONISTIC PRETENSES, AS A MEANS OF NEGATIVE, ALIENATING DISTINCTION OF THE SPECIES OF «US VERSVS THEM», BETWEEN ANGLOAMERICA ON «THEIR SIDE», AND HISPANOAMERICA, AND LUSOAMERICA ON «THE OTHER SIDE»
>ok. Or could it be that its
>All those kinda minor stats down south there that speak romance stuff
>I hardly think a particular motive is needed for that idea to congel in the Anglophone american areas.

1. YOUR ORTHOGRAPHY IS PESSIMAL, AND YOUR PUNCTUATION DEFICIENT.

2. IT IS A GEOPOLITICAL PROBLEM: THE IDEA OF «LATINOAMERICA» WAS TAKEN FRENCHLY PREFABRICATED BY UNITEDSTATIANS, AND IMPLEMENTED; IT DID NOT ARISE FROM VULGAR INTUITIVE VOID.


>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS: «CULTURE», REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER YOU MEAN BY: «THE GESTALT CULTURE».
>the general peoplegroup with some level of distinct shared history. Like you can give general groups like Anglosphere, Northern europe, western europe (which has some areas which may or may not be included given the broad nature of the term), Indian, etc.

YOU ARE DESCRIBING A VAGUE ABSTRACTION; THE IDEA OF «CULTURE» WAS INVENTED BY GERMANIC ILLUSTRISTS IN THE XVIII CENTURY, AND IS BEST DESCRIBABLE AS A: «TRANSCENDENTAL ETHNOLOGICAL HYPOSTASIS».

SIMILARLY TO HOW THE IDEA OF «LATINOAMERICA» WAS COOPTED BY UNITEDSTATIANS IN PRO OF THEIR ANGLOAMERICAN EXPANSIONISTIC PRETENSES, THE IDEA OF «CULTURE» WAS COOPTED, OR ASSIMILATED, INTO GLOBALISM AS THE PRIME INSTRUMENTAL MEDIVM TO SUBVERT & FRAGMENT POLITICAL STATES, TO DIVIDE NATIONS INTO REGIONAL IDENTITIES, AND, ULTIMATELY, TO MANIPULATE PEOPLES INTO «CULTURAL CLUSTERS» —WHY DO YOU THINK THAT GLOBALISTS NEVER STOP TALKING ABOUT «CULTURE»?


>AMERICA IS ONE CONTINENT.
>Depending on ones definition. From a geographical pov, north and south america are more continents then asia europe and Africa are since they all touch much more readily. And the geopolitical devide between central america and south America does even give some cultural split as well.

THERE IS ONLY ONE DEFINITION: THE CONTINENTAL ONE:


— AMERICA.

— EUROPA.

— ASIA.

— AFRICA.

— OCEANIA.

— ANTARCTICA.


THESE SIX ARE THE CONTINENTS IN ACTUALITY.

[Anonymous No.19018684]

>>19018666
Why are North America and South America one continent if Europe, Asia and Africa are different ones?

[Anonymous No.19018702]

>>19018666
>THERE IS ONLY ONE DEFINITION: THE CONTINENTAL ONE:


>— AMERICA.

>— EUROPA.

>— ASIA.

>— AFRICA.

>— OCEANIA.

>— ANTARCTICA.


>THESE SIX ARE THE CONTINENTS IN ACTUALITY.
In Iberian speaking places and maybe Italy.
>YOU ARE DESCRIBING A VAGUE ABSTRACTION
yah. A useful one. The Islamic states also use to call most western Europeans Franks. Its a common intercultural phenomenon.
>AND YOUR PUNCTUATION DEFICIENT.
yah
>2. IT IS A GEOPOLITICAL PROBLEM: THE IDEA OF «LATINOAMERICA» WAS TAKEN FRENCHLY PREFABRICATED BY UNITEDSTATIANS, AND IMPLEMENTED; IT DID NOT ARISE FROM VULGAR INTUITIVE VOID.
Maybe. Though In my experience, things tend to be a gestalt creation. Partially implicit and partially explicit..

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY3cHnRY No.19018741]

>>19018684


BY THAT LOGIC THE VERY CONCEPT OF GEOGRAPHICAL CONTINENTS SHOULD BE QUESTIONABLE, SINCE ALL LANDMASSES ARE SUBMARINELY UNITED.

NORTHAMERICA, CENTREAMERICA, SOUTHAMERICA, AND THE CARIBBEAN, CONSTITUTE SUBCONTINENTS, AND A REGION, OF ONE CONTINENT; AMERICA IS ONE CONTINENT, BECAUSE ITS HISTORICAL GENESIS, AND DEVELOPMENT, ARE CONTAINED ALL ALONG THIS PART OF THE EARTH NOW CALLED: «AMERICA».

SIMILARLY: ASIA, EUROPA, AFRICA, ARE THREE DIFFERENT CONTINENTS, BECAUSE THEIR RESPECTIVE HISTORICAL GENESES, AND DEVELOPMENTS, ARE DISTINCT IN THEMSELVES, AND DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER, IN THEIR RESPECTIVE PARTS OF THE EARTH NOW CALLED: «ASIA», «EUROPA», «AFRICA».

[Anonymous No.19018742]

>>19018334
Argentina Diaz Lozano

[Anonymous No.19018760]

>>19018741
>SIMILARLY: ASIA, EUROPA, AFRICA, ARE THREE DIFFERENT CONTINENTS, BECAUSE THEIR RESPECTIVE HISTORICAL GENESES, AND DEVELOPMENTS
Ok. so south America should be on the texas boarder or slightly above and north America should be north of that. Given the two respective geneses of colonization.

[Anonymous No.19018765]

>>19018334
Hopscotch

[Anonymous No.19018779]

>>19018526
Cumgenius, I have met people who are more sane, coherent and human than you during my time working at a psychiatric institution. I suggest plugging off the internet, some pills and a manual labor job.

[Anonymous No.19018802]

>>19018334
>argentina is blonde haired and blue eyed
Holy kek

[Anonymous No.19019007]

>>19018802

[Anonymous No.19019524]

>>19018526
Based as always.

[Anonymous No.19019610]

>>19018334

[Anonymous No.19019790]

>>19018334
In Brazil, only the poets are really good. Prose writers? Machado de Assis, and maybe Euclides da Cunha, maybe Guimarães Rosa, maybe Osman Lins, and a few sentences by Lispector here and there. Hilda Hilst, Cyro dos Anjos, João Ubaldo are OK too. Raduan Nassar tries too hard, but has some talent.
Authors like Graciliano Ramos, Jorge Amado, Lins do Rego, Aluísio Azevedo, Lima Barreto are so bad that it's not even funny to talk about. They're good story-tellers, but so are Chaplin, your uncle, and Stephen King. They're not real writers, their style is filled with clichés, easy escapes, melodrama, journo-tier trash and their mediocre books are only read because we didn't have anything better.
Poets like João Cabral, Murilo Mendes, Jorge de Lima, Drummond, can be really good sometimes. There must be at least 50, maybe 100 pages of high quality poetry written in Brazil, which is way more than most other Latin American countries. 'A Máquina do Mundo' is a beautiful poem, and 'A Educação pela Pedra' is a beautiful book. The same can be said about 'O Homem e Sua Hora', by Faustino, 'A Invenção de Orfeu', by Jorge de Lima, among others.

[Anonymous No.19021057]

>>19019007
>deleted
kek

[Anonymous No.19021106]

>>19018334
>Argentina is blond
>Brazil is white skinned
Holy cope

[Anonymous No.19021151]

>>19018334
Pablo Neruda is an amazing poet.

[Anonymous No.19021239]

[Anonymous No.19021247]

>>19018373
>The schizo is an hispanist
Who would've thought

[Anonymous No.19021306]

>>19018334
It's all bad.

[Anonymous No.19021359]

>>19019610
nice. make make one like this for Mexico.
>>19021239
Perú has such great literature, it's sad people don't realize it's as strong as the traditions of other LatAm countries.
Have you read Clorinda Matton de Turner? I was surprised to see Mariátegui didn't mention her when talking about Indigenismo

[Anonymous No.19021362]

>>19021359
>make make one like this for Mexico
might make*

[Anonymous No.19021384]

>>19018526
Take your meds

[Anonymous No.19021418]

>>19018334
Rubén Darío, Vallejo, Borges, Neruda, Carpentier, Onetti, Octavio Paz, Cortázar, Rulfo, García Márquez, Vargas Llosa

[Anonymous No.19021560]

>>19018334
Alberto Laiseca, Juan Gabriel Vásquez, Nicolás Gómez Dávila, Piedad Bonett

[Anonymous No.19021987]

>>19019610
Lista totalmente basada.

[Anonymous No.19022106]

>>19018380
it's well-written but it's really not a super interesting book and for foreigners it doesn't reflect modern brazilian culture or life very well

[Anonymous No.19022315]

>>19022106
>and for foreigners it doesn't reflect modern brazilian culture or life very well

Then you don't understand Brazilian culture at all. Any suficiently educated Brazilian can see Brazilian culture, both contemporary and ancient, in the writings of Machado de Assis.

[Anonymous No.19023945]

>>19018334
El Llamado del Cocodrilo por F. Jardinero

[Anonymous No.19024037]

>>19021362
epic fail

[Anonymous No.19024192]

>>19018526
Oh no, trust me, we know Lusophones are based. Spanish literature on the other hand belongs in the gutter.

[Anonymous No.19024694]

>>19021987
What about Roberto Arlt? I read a short story and liked it

[Anonymous No.19025025]

Anything by Clarice Lispector. Right now I'm reading The Passion According to G.H in portuguese, the original language, and I'm having a blast. This is currently the 4th book written by her that I'm reading.

[micsimone No.19025052]

>>19018334
try kerouac big sur. dont get more kentcuncy fried chicken than that bveing.
>ib4endofdaze

[Anonymous No.19025123]

>>19025052
Yes, Jack Kerouac is peak Latino.

[Anonymous No.19025171]

>>19018334
One of the best mexican authors is Juan Rulfo. In my iberoamerican literature classes they taught me he invented a new ganre called "rulfismo." I reccomend "El llano en llamas" or "The Burning Plain", a compilation of short stories, the best of which are "Don't you hear the dogs barking?" and "Tell them not to kill me."

[࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇ !KNDY3cHnRY No.19025184]

>>19025171
>In my iberoamerican literature classes they taught me he invented a new ganre called "rulfismo." [SIC]


JAJA, QUÉ IDIOTEZ.

[Anonymous No.19025186]

>>19025171
Rulfo's story is very good because he wrote 3 masterpieces then dipped lmao

[Anonymous No.19025195]

>>19025025
Clarice Lispector sucks

[Anonymous No.19025207]

>>19018373
i love that you make your own graphics, rei

[Anonymous No.19025341]

>>19018741
Why are your arbitrary definitions of continents right and that of latinoamerica wrong?

[Anonymous No.19025709]

>>19025186
That's true for a lot of the best Mexican authors. Josefina Vicens wrote two books and then stopped writing. José Gorostiza published only three books. Jorge Cuesta only published a handful of poems. Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.19026741]

>>19021987
No Cortázar?

[Anonymous No.19026802]

>>19018526
There is a clear platinean ethnos, a clear mexican ethnos, a clear hispanocaribeño ethnos (which includes Ecuador), a clear gran-colombian ethnos. You seem to have never rambled about in latam if you say something as bizarre as 'there is no culture'. The mode of living, the language, the naming conventions, the aspiration of Uruguayans is entirely distinct from that of Venezuelans. I agree that the 'latinamerican' identity (which is universalistic) is utterly astroturfed by anglo-jewish interests and based on the black legend - if that's what you mean. But to deny ethnos in the continent of America is insane, it is like saying unitedstatians are "white" and therefore just like europeans.

[Anonymous No.19026811]

>>19021987
I have also heard Zama by Di Benedetto and El desierto y su semilla by Baron Biza praised as some of the best argie novels.

[Anonymous No.19026815]

>>19018741
And by this logic, the middle east, the far east and india should be different continents, just as subsaharan africa should be distinct. Mediterranean Europe is more like nafri then subsaharan is to nafri, and the same could be said about southern europe>middle east in contrast to mideast>china, the latter which is a thing all of its own

[Anonymous No.19027126]

>>19018334
I like Rómulo Gallego's and Miguel Otero Silva's work. Particularly Canaima and Casas Muertas. Their works are highly influenced by living in Venezuela during the early XX century. The fight between "civilization" and "savagery", the hardships of rural life and the beauty of the land are common themes. It's really interesting (at least to me.)

It was really hard to find a decent .epub version of their books in Spanish, so it's likely they can't be found in English except physical. They're not even listed in libgen, which is surprising.

[Anonymous No.19027127]

>>19018334
Ecuador's Huasipungo by Jorge Icaza

[Anonymous No.19028130]

>>19025171
any Mexican recs apart from Rulfo?

[Anonymous No.19028201]

>>19027127
I have the impression you're recommending that because of the cover...

[Anonymous No.19028288]

>>19028201
No I read it when I was 12 years bold because my librarian recommended it as the best piece of literature of our country.
The cover is for other people a lot of people don't know about the systems of pseudo slavery for indians that existed well into the late 1800s and early 1900s in Ecuador.

[Anonymous No.19028615]

>>19025195
for you

[Anonymous No.19028644]

>>19018373
Have sex incel

[Anonymous No.19029955]

>>19018334
I'm currently reading most SA things I can get my hands on
I read:

Borges - The Aleph, Ficciones, some essays. All really good.
Bolaño - Savage Detectives, complete short fiction. A bit of a faggot, but I'm still fond of a fair bit of SD.
Cortázar - All Fires the Fire, End of the Game. Very pretty stories. I actually liked the more grounded, sad ones the best.
Bioy Casares - Morel's Invention, Diary of the War of the Pig, and currently reading Asleep in the Sun. I didn't like Morel. The latter two are very fun. Somewhat plot driven if that's not your thing for some reason. I actually am enjoying myself a fair bit, I was ready to dismiss Bioy as just Borges's friend

That's what I have so far, plus or minus some stories

[Anonymous No.19029972]

>>19026741
It says lesser known
>>19024694
Which one? I read Mad Toy and I think I didn't get it

[Anonymous No.19030499]

>>19018373
Actually based takes but you write like it a retard, stop it

[Anonymous No.19030654]

>>19018373
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.19030697]

>>19026815
dont worry, some midwit hispanics get agro at it due to compensation even though no one else thinks about it. its not even like north american and south america are anglocentric concept or whatever since a good proportion of north America is distinctly and indisputably Spanish.

[Anonymous No.19030704]

Genuinely one of the best fiction books to come out of Venezuela in the past like 20 years

[Anonymous No.19030789]

>>19028130
what kinda stuff are you looking for? Mexican lit is much more vast than it might seem

[Anonymous No.19031105]

>>19019610
El tunel is good. fuasto is a good piece of literatura gauchesca, but it's closer to a parody
Facundo is boring, but it helped me to understand Sarmiento's way of thinking.
100 años de soledad and hombres de maíz are also quite good

[Anonymous No.19031118]

>>19031105
>fuasto
Fausto

[Anonymous No.19031398]

>>19025025
Where should I begin with her? I was thinking of giving The Passion a try