Nick Land

[Anonymous No.19086225]

redpill me on him

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[Anonymous No.19086265]

>>19086225
150 IQ schizo retard. What more is there to say?

[Anonymous No.19086274]

He combines Historical Materialism (Marxism) with the acknowledgement that Capitalism has won and that there is no going back.

His position is basically that at this point Leftism is the actual reactionary force holding back progress, because progress is not fags doing parades or women pretending that they're people, progress is Capital becoming sentient and outmoding every problem in the human condition, then gradually replacing humanity with constructs of superior efficacy.

Nick Land's perception of the future is something out of BLAME! or any other posthuman literature.

[Anonymous No.19086374]

[Anonymous No.19086375]

>>19086274
Dear God this man is actually insane. I had only seen the memes but that's just... ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.19086381]

>>19086374
Most creative worldbuilding I've seen here in ages.

[Anonymous No.19086385]

>>19086375
First they laughed at him. Then they realized every time they got up in the morning they helped build capital's ongoing replacement of humanity.

[Anonymous No.19086387]

>>19086225
The Landian gf is invariably a tranny.

[Anonymous No.19086396]

>>19086385
I am sure that something like this may be attempted, although I am sure that it will fail in the long run. It's scary to think that a man would decide to follow such a dark train of thought to the bitter end rather than adapting his analysis.

[Anonymous No.19086408]

>>19086396
I believe it's in the vein of Nietzsche's announcing the death of God. Land is also nuts so there's that too. It will be appreciated more 200 years from now, but retards will also blame Land for it like they blame Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.19086410]

>>19086225
Land is a Hegelian and a former Marxist.
He believes dystopian hyper-capitalism is inevitable, desirable, and will lead us to the technological singularity.
He's more interesting as a sci fi writer than a political theorist.

/poltv/ really does just wander from one soon to be deleted thread, to the next
see you guys in the next one

[Anonymous No.19086462]

>>19086410
>Land is a Hegelian
Its funny he always says he hate Hegel, but all he does is screaming that "capital is already completed in the future, and its coming back in time to us"... pretty much the same as "we are going future to the completion of capital" (hegel).

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>>19086462
yeah, funny insight
i deleted my post because I thought we were on /tv/, very embarrassing

[Anonymous No.19086500]

>>19086274
STEMcel gibberish.

[Anonymous No.19086505]

>>19086500
capitalism is sentient and going to kill us all and replace us with machines

[Anonymous No.19086512]

>>19086505
Unironically a better date than communism

[Anonymous No.19086519]

>>19086512
>date
fate

[Anonymous No.19086522]

>>19086512
ooga booga we are coming for your small business, your 401k, and your daughter

[Anonymous No.19086530]

>>19086505
>capitalism is sentient and going to kill us all
Fucking based, if he could just blow up this whole muck then it would be kino.

[Anonymous No.19086538]

>>19086522

[Anonymous No.19086566]

>>19086225
Pretty hot. Would bang.

[Anonymous No.19086571]

>>19086538
sitting there and letting Land fuck with you would be way more cucked than any particular objection

[Anonymous No.19086586]

>>19086538
>Do something retard
>Person does the equivalent of saying "OK retard" and walks away
>heh, I sure showed them!

[Anonymous No.19086602]

>>19086374
This is really cool. I haven’t actually read any of Nick Land’s work, how relevant is it to all these concepts in the image? Does he discuss all these different possibilities post-singularity?

[Anonymous No.19086623]

>>19086522
I fully expect the day is coming when communists in the USA will attack small business owners and their families for being “bourgeoisie”. (Of course, they won’t do anything against big business, not even benign things like supporting unions). People irl think I am delusional for this but when you see how bloodthirsty the communists on this site are it, it is a very real concern.

[Anonymous No.19086687]

>>19086623
>(Of course, they won’t do anything against big business, not even benign things like supporting unions)
Big time schizo seethe. If you look at history, major industry was never spared from socialization and nationalization under Bolshevik style regimes.
The basic Leninist model of proletarian revolution is for workers to form alliances with the lower middle class against the upper class and upper middle class.

If revolution kicked off, I'm sure there would be violent excesses, but the pragmatic line is certainly to form alliances. Not that it will matter anyway, iby the time capitalism is in it's final death spiral, it seems there won't be a middle class left.

[Anonymous No.19086747]

>>19086274
Sound based, how do I help accelerate the creation of the megastructure?

[Anonymous No.19086843]

>>19086274
"Marxism... it just works!" -- Nick Land

https://youtu.be/2j5fhT4zORA?t=2915

[Anonymous No.19086899]

>>19086747
accept pay cuts, blow your boss, and tell union organizers and radicals to fuck off
Then donate all your surplus each month to Reddit Musk, and earmark it to go towards RnD at Neuralink

[Anonymous No.19086921]

>>19086225
A fine writer of cyberpunk and lovecraftian horror short stories but nothing more than that.

[Anonymous No.19087083]

>>19086225
He just got an Italian translation.

[Anonymous No.19087115]

>>19086687
I don’t care about what some dead guys in Russia once did. American communists in this day and age are strictly in it for the violence and chaos. They won’t go after companies like Amazon because they know Amazon can fight back. They’ll burn down a barbershop or kill someone who owns a house though, that’s what they call “hurting the bourgeoisie”. These are not good people anon, they don’t care about labor rights at all.

[Anonymous No.19087164]

>>19087115
>American communists in this day and age are strictly in it for the violence and chaos
the left is pretty fucked right now and devoid of serious people but if the big worker chimpout that marx predicts does happen, workers are not going to look for leadership from breadtubers or larpy anime kids on twitter. Or from me, some bookish dude on a mongolian falconry forum.
they will look to existing radical labor organizers and they will raise leaders from among their own ranks
>These are not good people anon, they don’t care about labor rights at all.
To be clear, I am a communist, and I do care about your labor rights

[Anonymous No.19087176]

>>19087164
>they will look to existing radical labor organizers and they will raise leaders from among their own ranks
If you knew about the absolute state of labour unions you wouldn't be saying this shit anon.

[Anonymous No.19087188]

>>19087176
notice that I said radical labor organizers
meaning not AFLCIO liberals, for whom politics means voting democrat.

[Anonymous No.19087305]

>>19087188
Radical labour organisers are precisely the woke anarchist libs who torch small businesses that the other guy was talking about anon.

[Anonymous No.19087336]

>>19087083
L'intellettuale dissidente is actually a good publication, a bit of a contratian and a bit pretentious, but is also the only one who publish article about authors that would otherwise be unknown in italy.

[Anonymous No.19087386]

>>19087164
>To be clear, I am a communist
Well, I don’t have anything nice to say lol. For what it’s worth, a social democracy with very strong unions and some nationalized businesses in critical regions would be my ideal. But communism can take a hike.

[Anonymous No.19087395]

>>19087305
In times of crisis the natural leaders of the workers will arise from their own ranks. The ones who are informal leaders today, the guys who are respected the most or are the most charismatic. There's at least one in every real blue collar workplace, even mega corporate shit holes like Walmart.

[Anonymous No.19087552]

>>19087386
>For what it’s worth, a social democracy with very strong unions and some nationalized businesses in critical regions would be my ideal.
they won't let you have that. Industrialists will astroturf fascist movements to protect their property from being siezed, and their profits from being cut into by decent wages. That's what they did during the 30s and 40s.
They have to be dethroned either way.

[Anonymous No.19088311]

>>19087552
>they won't let you have that. Industrialists will astroturf fascist movements to protect their property from being siezed
I see lots of astroturfed communists in the US today, I have yet to see an astroturfed fascist group. This is not to say fascism is in anyway acceptable, but rather that communism, in its current form, is what the corporations are using to gain power.

>they won't let you have that.
Why not? It's nothing more than a slightly more socialist version of the Nordic model. I strongly would support the rights of landowners, landlords, business-owners, etc. It would just be more fair.

[Anonymous No.19088390]

>>19088311
>I see lots of astroturfed communists in the US today,
I doubt it
>I have yet to see an astroturfed fascist group.
When capitalism was in crisis during the 30s and 40s all over the West. Moussilini's blackshirts were originally mercenary gangs formed to attack workers. The freikorps in Germany were the same. In burgerland, Wall Street tried to astroturf a fascist coup in the US. Many such cases.

>Why not?
dystopia is more profitable
>b-b-but the Nordic model
social democrats in those countries were only able to achieve those concessions because the working class was radicalized and intimately tied to a strrong socialist/communist movement. Every country with a lavish social welfare state has this sort of history, with the exception of Gulf Monarchies with retarded oil revenue.

Even if you cuck out and have the end goal of modest gibs, you can't achieve that aim by politely asking for gibs. You get there by having 80% support for socialists and communist parties among the working class. Only then will capitalists permit some concessions in an attempt to prevent revolt.

[Anonymous No.19088407]

Thread progressed exactly like the content of Land's writings. Hyperstitionchads winning again

[Anonymous No.19088448]

>>19088390
>I doubt it
Go on Twitter right now and see all the communist posters. Even if this is natural, the way it is pushed on a corporate platform means the corporations are fine with it.

>When capitalism was in crisis during the 30s and 40s all over the West
Like I said before, I don't care about the ways things were in the 1930s. I care about the now, and in the present day fascists are hated by everyone except people on /pol/. Violent communism is lionized.

>dystopia is more profitable
Only to a certain point. After a while, people will either check out of the system or rebel.

>social democrats in those countries were only able to achieve those concessions because the working class was radicalized and intimately tied to a strong socialist/communist movement.
That sort of attitude would be the job of the unions to ferment and keep in check

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>>19088448
>Go on Twitter right now and see all the communist posters.
That proves nothing. Twitter is also full of jihadis and thinly camouflaged nazis.

>Like I said before, I don't care about the ways things were in the 1930s
You keep saying this. Is that something you take pride in? That you don't have any interest in making inferences about how history will proceed, or how our rulers act in times of crisis? It's an admission your politics are just wishful thinking, unconstrained by reality or the forces of history. Maybe you should wish we could all become pirates. That sounds nice, and it's just as realistic as a new world order of lavish permanent social welfare states. The only coherent political agendas that are rooted in concrete reality are neoliberalism, fascism, and bolshevism. Everything else is just utopian larping.

>Only to a certain point. After a while, people will either check out of the system or rebel.
Yeah that's the whole point of marxism. The rate of profit is deteriorating. Wages and social safety nets will be crushed, and people will chimp out. But your missing, is that the amount of dystopia that people will tolerate is very high, particularly when there is no organized, radical working class to give direction to people's anger, organize general strikes, etc.

>I want unions to be class collaborationist and to suppress discontent
Who the fuck am I speaking to? Have you ever worked a day in your life? How many boats does your father own?

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>>19088519
>Twitter is also full of jihadis and thinly camouflaged nazis
They all get banned after Twitter notices them, while communists aren't. That's a good thing btw, my point is that communists should be treated the same way.

>You keep saying this. Is that something you take pride in?
No, but I am tired of people thinking this is the 1930s and that nothing has changed. It's been 90 years, the old movements are not relevant. Your communists are not what they once were, as of right now they are the tools of those they think they oppose. Communists (and fascists, for that matter) seem to me to be stuck in the past, fantasizing about when their ideologies were anything more than evil.

>is that the amount of dystopia that people will tolerate is very high, particularly when there is no organized, radical working class to give direction to people's anger, organize general strikes, etc.
People are not as helpless or stupid as you seem to think.

>Who the fuck am I speaking to? Have you ever worked a day in your life?
For 3 years now, 4 if you count part-time.
>How many boats does your father own?
0
And my vision of unions isn't "class collaborationist". They serve solely to defend the interests of the workers. As part of that they will need to both educate and work with people. It's the difference between peacefully and calmly creating a good society, and a communist state of chaos, violence, persecution and fear

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>>19086274
So--he's a midwit? Yet another example of modern philosophy being worthless in the face of timeless, Catholic thought.

[Anonymous No.19088610]

READ THIS FUCKING POST
https://cybertrophic.wordpress.com/2020/01/04/on-nick-land-the-weird-libertarian/

OR LISTEN TO A COMPUTER REREAD IT TO YOU
https://youtu.be/hiAipkPSt8Y

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[Anonymous No.19088650]

>>19086687
Communists live in such fantasy worlds that it is impossible to even begin talking to them.
In their view leftism has nothing to do with the 25% of small businesses that went under over the last year, and leftism was ever good or popular with small business owners and the middle class. It's just pure fantasy and theory with no attachment to reality whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.19088661]

>>19086602
>Does he discuss all these different possibilities post-singularity?
"Nothing human makes it out of the near future"
read meltdown

[Anonymous No.19088671]

>>19086512
>>19086505
>capitalism is sentient and going to kill us all and replace us with machines
It is at this point, in the essay “Machinic Desire”, that we come to what—stiff competition accepted—must be Nick Land’s most insane thesis. I will give you the words of the man himself first and then unpack it:

>“Machinic desire can seem a little inhuman, as it rips up political cultures, deletes traditions, dissolves subjectivities, and hacks through security apparatuses, tracking a soulless tropism to zero control. This is because what appears to humanity as the history of capitalism is an invasion from the future by an artificial intelligent space that must assemble itself entirely from its enemy’s resources. Digitocommodification is the index of a cyberpositively escalating technovirus, of the planetary technocapital singularity: a self-organizing insidious traumatism, virtually guiding the entire biological desiring-complex towards post-carbon replicator usurpation”

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>>19088650
The children of the moneyed elite who larp as secular priests don't care about small businesses or middle class tax burdens. It's a high/low alliance with their vote banks. Anyone trying to get between gets to pay all the taxes for none of the benefits.

[Anonymous No.19088683]

“The story goes like this…”: first, the industrial revolution unleashes the power of the market. Governments get scared and react, trying to reign things in. This gives us fascism, communism, two world wars and a twentieth century full of turmoil. There is an arms race between the state and the private sector that finally extends into cyberspace.

“Neo-China arrives from the future”: techno-capitalism goes global, no longer a purely Western phenomenon, evolving entirely new forms. (Feeling familiar yet?). Humanity is superseded by the post-human: “Nothing human makes it out of the near future”. Increasingly advanced artificial intelligences slip through our fingers, becoming incomprehensible and then uncontrollable by human powers (This ought to be sounding familiar by now…). Social mores come to align wholeheartedly with the advancement of commerce. Culture becomes extremely adaptive and transitory, passing at breakneck speed from one fad to another.

Workers are replaced with cyborgs. Culture melts into the economy. While China continues in the direction of growth and economic liberalisation, the West descends into nationalism and conservatism; ridden with guilt it turns against itself. As the West loses control over global commerce to the East, Western countries turn to protectionism, the welfare state erodes, domestic inequality grows, and Western political systems come to the brink of collapse. New anti-authoritarian movements erupt everywhere to finish off the decaying despotism.

Nanotechnology and genetic engineering blur the boundaries between nature and culture. Memes break out and spread like viruses. “With the information superhighway, media nightmares take off on their own: dystopia delivery as election platform, politics trading on its own digital annihilation” (Yep, that definitely sounds familiar). Life migrates further and further into virtual spaces. Cyberpunk becomes a reality: “Meltdown has a place for you as a schizophrenic HIV+ transsexual Chinese-Latino stim-addicted LA hooker with implanted mirrorshades and a bad attitude”.

[Anonymous No.19088686]

>>19088671
What's insane about it? Watch, Terminator, read Neuromancer, mix in some Deleuze, Nietzsche, Marx and Norbert Wiener, and you've got capital teleporting from the future arming itself to hunt down the parents of the overman

[Anonymous No.19088721]

>>19088686
I'm just copypasting. I believe everything Nick Land says, even the parts I don't understand yet

[Anonymous No.19088736]

>>19088721
Vintage Land is the world's most faithful reader of Nietzsche (pbuh) and his apostles Bataille (pbuh) and Deleuze (pbuh). That he turned into a paleocon with chinese characteristics is his form of syphilis, his breakdown of feeling empathy for the flogged horse of western civilization.

[Anonymous No.19089335]

>>19088686
Insane because it involves time travel. It is almost the least parsimonious way of theorizing the advent of capitalism i can think of, seemingly for no other reason than it sounding cool
>>19088736
The flogged horse was probably his meth budget drying up

[Anonymous No.19089346]

>>19089335
it's definitely the case, that there is influence from the future. that you cannot recognize yourself in iterations from the beyond is, ahem, not my problem.

[Anonymous No.19089348]

>>19086225
Capitalism is an AI from the future.

[Anonymous No.19089352]

>>19086747
You literally can't, just hold on and enjoy the ride.

[Anonymous No.19089360]

>>19088671
>capitalism is sentient
Bro it's literally money and people getting money lmao, it's not sentient.

[Anonymous No.19089362]

>>19089335
>Insane because it involves time travel
Capitalism is all about accumulating and reinvesting profits for a future return. But if you keep reinvesting, then what? Using what resources are available in the present, you are building an unfinished, inhuman machine dedicated to anti-expenditure. Growth for its own sake and not for any anthrocentric purpose. Man becomes merely a part of the genesis and reproductive cycle of something... else, something effectively building itself, with a purpose beyond us. More and more of our planet and species is captured by this cybernetic entity, one that doesn't exist yet but will. It's... from the future. And if you claim it's out to get you, you'll get the Sarah Conner treatment, that any authorities there are classify you as a dangerous schizophrenic.

[Anonymous No.19089387]

Neo-China arrives from the future.

[Anonymous No.19089471]

>>19089346
>i dont find this convincing
>well that's your problem
Sure buddy yet it will remain controversial until belief in travel to the past becomes widespread
>>19089362
I would say from the future in a loose and allegorical sense. More like prefigured and caused by matter native to our time, but convenient to future horror entities yet to be seen. This is like saying the table causes its own construction. At best in an Aristotelian sense

[Anonymous No.19089478]

>>19089471
To add on, this is exactly the idealism Deleuze warns against in thinking of lack as real or a cause. Desiring-machines produce fantasy and feeling, ontological negativity or ontological anything else for that matter, is not causative

[Anonymous No.19089877]

>>19088390
>>19088519
>>19087164
Jesus Christ go back to r edditpol
>>19086512
I mean,it's liberating

[Anonymous No.19090420]

>>19088736
> his apostles Bataille (pbuh) and Deleuze (pbuh)
what should I read by Bataille?

[Anonymous No.19090564]

>>19089360
Well I don’t think there’s so much people deiciding on the finance markets as algorithms and *buzzword* AI.

Also wasn’t the invisible hand always considered some semi-sentient entity?

[Anonymous No.19090914]

>>19086843
>open video
>choo lii shung chaa cheng shing, shaa lo gei ni gger, gou chow
What am I supposed to take away from this