/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.19123349]

>idolatry is ok when I do it
What are some anti-catholic pro-protestant books?

[Anonymous No.19123395]

The Bible.

[Anonymous No.19123397]

>Catholicism: East of Eden by Richard Bennett

>Are We Together by R.C. Sproul

>Institutes of the Christian Religion by John Calvin, book 4 in particular

[Anonymous No.19123490]

>Protestants don't know what idolatry is.

[Anonymous No.19123533]

>>19123349
The Church has, from its earliest point, maintained that there is a difference between dulia (veneration) and latria (worship). These are called degrees of honour. If you do not believe in the notion of degrees of honour, then you also do not believe in the idea that a man can honour his father without also worshipping him. This would pit you against the ten commandments of God.

The Israelites painted the walls of their temple with images of vines and such; they carved two giant statues of cherubim to flank the Holy of Holies (itself a kind of "idol" by Protestant estimation); their priests wore chest pieces of solid gold, etched with jewels; and they swung censers of incense during prayer. The book of Maccabees relates that the Israelites did also pray for the dead.

In short - I see no reason to trust the personal prejudices and proclivities of a sixteenth century, fat German over the inspired works of those men who actually compiled the Bible in the first place.

[Anonymous No.19123577]

>>19123533
Checked and truthful

[Anonymous No.19123889]

>>19123349
Cathoctics don't think the images are gods

[Anonymous No.19123913]

>>19123889
they do, though

[Anonymous No.19123933]

[Anonymous No.19123983]

The Quran al-Karim

Reminder that the Shia of Ali believe in Absolute Divine Simplicity, affirming that the Quran is part of God's action and therefore his words are created.

[Anonymous No.19123996]

>>19123533
Good post.

[Anonymous No.19124018]

>>19123533
Based

[Anonymous No.19124028]

>>19123533
>Appealing to old covenant worship as the model for Christian worship
You guys really live up to the pharisaical stereotypes

[Anonymous No.19124077]

>>19123533
>idolatry is ok when I do it

[Anonymous No.19124093]

Catholics with their statues and muslims with their black cube and meteorite is very clearly idolatry. Protestants and maybe Jews are the only ones that don't fall for this basic 101 mistake.

[Anonymous No.19124111]

>>19124093
>Protestants and maybe Jews
I feel there's a hidden implication here

[Anonymous No.19124124]

>If you, O Jew, reproach me saying that I adore the wood of the Cross as God, why do you not reproach Jacob, who worshipped on the point of his staff (επι το ακρον της ραβδου)? Now it is evident that he was not worshipping wood. So with us; we are worshipping Christ through the Cross, not the wood of the Cross.

[Anonymous No.19124136]

>>19124124
>If I venerate and worship, as the instruments of salvation, the Cross and lance, and reed and sponge, by means of which the Jews (θεοκτονοι) scorned and put to death my Lord, shall I not also worship images that Christians make with a good intention for the glory and remembrance of Christ? If I worship the image of the Cross, made of whatever wood it may be, shall I not worship the image which shows me the Crucified and my salvation through the Cross? Oh, inhumanity of man! It is evident that I do not worship matter, for supposing the Cross, if it be made of wood, should fall to pieces, I should throw them into the fire, and the same with images

[Anonymous No.19124151]

>>19123395
/thread

[Anonymous No.19124177]

>>19123533
Based and doctrine pilled

[Anonymous No.19124180]

>>19124093
>Protestants and maybe Jews

[Anonymous No.19124188]

>>19123533
>from its earliest point
earliest citation needed

[Anonymous No.19124192]

test

[Anonymous No.19124290]

>>19124188
Eusebius gives a remark about how there was a statue of Jesus in the c. 3rd century

[Anonymous No.19124293]

>>19124124
>>19124136
Absolutely true.
And the hypocrisy of being compared to the pharisees by people that act like real pharisees is out of this world.

[Anonymous No.19124298]

>>19124290
additionally, Augustine (city of God) and Chrysostom (on defense of images) both talk about the dulia and latria distinction.

[Anonymous No.19124313]

>>19123349
The church had images at the times of the councils which established the New Testament canon. How can you trust that they assembled it correctly if you beleive that images are idolatry?

[Anonymous No.19124327]

>>19124290
>from it's earliest point
>3rd century
Catholic logic.

[Anonymous No.19124360]

>>19124327
>Doctrine of trinity wasn't explicitly dogma until 4th century
>therefore doctrine of trinity is false
Protestant logic.

[Anonymous No.19124368]

>>19124360
The trinity is in the Bible, it doesn't need "doctrine". None of that Catholic BS is in the Bible.

[Anonymous No.19124464]

>>19124368
>None of that Catholic BS
We know about the vestments, and the gold and the jewels, worn by the Israelite priests thanks to the Bible; we know about the sculptures of the cherubim that flanked the Holy of Holies thanks to the Bible; we know about the images on the temple walls thanks to the Bible. It is hypocritical of you to call Catholic icons and symbols "BS" when, as a Protestant, you obviously have zero issue with the icons and symbols of the Israelites. You cannot hand wave this away by claiming this was "old covenant." The Protestants still regard the old coventant, old testament as divinely inspired and good for teaching and instruction. Seeing as God never spoke out against these icons and symbols made in love for His glorification, you have no authority to do so yourself. The destruction of the temple does not, in itself, render all aesthetics for God null and void.

[Anonymous No.19124515]

>>19124464
God personally commanded those things, in detail, to them, during the sacrificial temple covenant.
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
Try reading the Bible sometime, pagans.

[Anonymous No.19124559]

>>19123533
>book of Maccabees

[Anonymous No.19124629]

Now that there are many ChristChads/Cucks ITT. I have to ask: do any character in the bible ever witness something that is evidence of "God" being the creator of all, and not just another powerful spirit manipulating humans.

[Anonymous No.19124634]

>>19123349
>>idolatry is ok when I do it
kjmeme

[Anonymous No.19124979]

>>19124368
Then how come we needed councils to establish the doctrine of Trinity and agree on it, brainlet. Read the Cappadocian Fathers.

[Anonymous No.19124994]

>>19123533
BASED

[Anonymous No.19125000]

>>19124979
>we
*I* didn't need shit other than "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"

[Anonymous No.19125008]

>>19123533
Ecclesia, a primordio suo, affirmavit differentiam esse inter duliam et latriam. Hi gradus honoris vocantur. Si non creditis rationem honoris, tunc etiam non creditis quod homo possit honorare patrem suum, quin etiam colat illum; Hoc te ad decem praecepta Dei provocaret.

Israelitae parietes templi sui cum imaginibus vitibus et talibus pinxit; Duas statuas gigantes cherubim insculpebant ad sanctum sanctorum adigendo (ipsum genus idoli per aestimationem protestantium); sacerdotes eorum cistam aureis solidis gemmis insignitam gerebant; et turibula thymiamatis in oratione plectentes. Liber Machabeorum refert Israelitas etiam pro mortuis orasse.

Denique - Nihil video cur praeiudiciis ac proclivitatibus personalibus saeculi XVI, pinguis Germanica de inspiratis eorum hominum operibus, qui imprimis Bibliam conscripserunt.

[Anonymous No.19125017]

>>19125008
niggerum tongueserum meum anum

[Anonymous No.19125018]

Worried that OP’s argument is the same instinct which drives Islam’s absolute prohibition of figurative representation

[Anonymous No.19125060]

>>19125018
OP is a pharisee

[Anonymous No.19125118]

>>19125060
>imprison, torture, execute people that question your institution for a couple of thousand years
>shakedown the peasants with pay for salvation schemes
>keep the commoners from reading Scripture and claim that only (You) can properly handle it
>get called out on idolatry and call the correct accuser "Pharisee"

[Anonymous No.19125158]

>>19125118
>correct accuser
>correct
The arrogance of this guy

[Anonymous No.19125253]

>>19125118
Based. There should not be an earthly "middleman" between man and God

[Anonymous No.19125286]

>>19125118
>keep the commoners from reading Scripture and claim that only (You) can properly handle it
Thank God, based Luther came around and showed us da wae.

[Anonymous No.19125293]

>>19123349
Hegel btfos catholitards numerous times. Also check out Oetinger and the Pietists in general.
>>19123395
And this

[Anonymous No.19125294]

>>19125253
There not, since the temple sacrifices were made obsolete by Christ's crucifixion and resurrection.

[Anonymous No.19125305]

>>19125286
Some people taking whatever they want from it does absolutely nothing to negate every human's right to direct access to Scripture. Also, some people taking whatever they want from it is far less of a net negative than a tiny minority of mob leaders totally controlling it with lots of false claims as to what it says and teaches, thereby misleading essentially everyone.

[Anonymous No.19125306]

>>19125293
Hegel was a vacuous charlatan.

[Anonymous No.19125362]

>>19125305
>human's right to direct access to Scripture
where are you even getting this from? your ass?

[Anonymous No.19125373]

>>19125305
>human's right
The fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.19125391]

>>19123349
Imagine still being an iconoclast retard in the year of our lord 2021
Learn what an idol is first

[Anonymous No.19125393]

>>19125362
>>19125373
>Being able to read God's word directly for themselves isn't an essential human right

[Anonymous No.19125396]

>>19125393
Define human right

[Anonymous No.19125461]

>>19125396
Imagine being of age to post here and needing "human right" defined.

[Anonymous No.19125465]

>>19125461
You are avoiding the question

[Anonymous No.19125487]

>>19125465
Wrong, I said what I meant and meant what I said.

[Anonymous No.19125496]

>>19125487
That's not a valid excuse, answer the question.

[Anonymous No.19125500]

>>19125487
>>19125496
get a room, you delusional cocksuckers.

[Anonymous No.19125517]

>>19125496
Are (You) incapable of looking up the definitions of words for yourself? Why are you needing me to do it for you? Are you literally retarded?

[Anonymous No.19125525]

>human rights?

[Anonymous No.19125531]

>>19125517
>believed

[Anonymous No.19125541]

>>19125517
Getting angry at me is not going to work. I advice you to drop any further attempt to make me angry or call me by names,
By the way, you still have not answered. I asked you to define me what is a human right, now what google says. Because that's your way out of this situation, to use google as your answer instead of giving me your definition. You really believe all the insults are going to distract me from your obvious attempt of running way?

[Anonymous No.19125542]

>>19124559
>ALEXANDER THE GREAT IN MY BIBLE?? ??
>NOOO OO REMOVE IT

[Anonymous No.19125548]

>>19124093
Umar came near the Black Stone and kissed it and said "No doubt, I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit anyone nor harm anyone. Had I not seen Allah's Apostle kissing you I would not have kissed you." -Sahih Bukhari

Catholics pray to Mary instead of God, kneeling in front of a statue of her.

[Anonymous No.19125549]

>>19125541
not what google says*

[Anonymous No.19125592]

>>19125541
But...my definition of "human right" is...the definition of "human right"...this really isn't that complicated unless there is some sort of autismic glitch that (You) are coping with.

[Anonymous No.19125609]

>>19125592
I already told you to drop the name calling. It's not going to work and the only thing that reveals is your lack of control. Do yourself a favor in that regard.
Let's try this again. Define with your words the definition of human right. Not google, not what you using another definition as your shield, your definition.

[Anonymous No.19125623]

>>19125609
>my definition of "human right" is...the definition of "human right"

[Anonymous No.19125630]

>>19125623
You are avoid the problem again. Jesus, anon. You saying "unless there is some sort of autismic glitch that (You) are coping with." was a freudian slip about yourself in this problem?

[Anonymous No.19125669]

>>19125623
Anyways, I must go. If I ever found you in another similar discussion, I hope you have prepared your definition of human right and we continue this argument.

[Anonymous No.19126745]

>>19123533
>The Israelites painted the walls of their temple with images of vines and such; they carved two giant statues of cherubim to flank the Holy of Holies (
Good post. Especially this part since protties love to larp as jews.

[Anonymous No.19126768]

>>19125118
>imprison, torture, execute people that question your institution for a couple of thousand years
Not really no. The church didn't execute many. Stop getting your history from r/atheism.
>>shakedown the peasants with pay for salvation schemes
It wasn't forced. Donating to the church gets you a blessing. That's all it is. If protties didn't feel that way too then why do they all accept donations? If you can't donate time or labor to the church then donating a material medium of exchange is perfectly as fine.

[Anonymous No.19126774]

>>19125461
>>19125393
Imagine being a Christian and pretending rights are even a thing. Further proves protestants are merely political burghers who want more political power on earth.

[Anonymous No.19127769]

>>19123395
Fpbp