Since Jesus predicts his death and Judas' betrayal, doesn't this mean that fate exists in the christian worldview? Wouldn't this mean that even god is controlled by fate?

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Anonymous Mon Sep 27 13:59:59 2021 No.19129513 [DELETED]

Since Jesus predicts his death and Judas' betrayal, doesn't this mean that fate exists in the christian worldview? Wouldn't this mean that even god is controlled by fate?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 14:03:03 2021 No.19129529 >>19129513 Borges said Judas is the real Jesus or some shit like that

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS Mon Sep 27 14:03:21 2021 No.19129531 File: 191 KB, 420x833, C7E1FC91-7359-4D54-AF0A-DC88A75B6E10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19129513 Sometimes they say they’re compatible, but it’s always in terms of it being god’s plan. He is determinism blah blah blah

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 14:05:41 2021 No.19129544 Yes, begome calvinist, make everyone mad

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 14:05:51 2021 No.19129545 It's His will, He's not controlled by fate because He IS fate, or rather he decides it. He knew it needed to happen, and He can see all points in time (except for the exact hour of the final judgement, only the father knows that time)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 14:07:56 2021 No.19129562 >>19129545 but that means he knows it too because he is also the father I'm a retard who doesn't understand trinity but I think I'm right

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 14:25:24 2021 No.19129637
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>>19129513
idk I was filtered by providentialism
like I dont know what the fuck they are talking about especially caussade
it almost seems like grace acts as a 5(6?)th dimension / direction which facilitates the change of the lessor dimensions though that's probably a giga heresy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 14:30:01 2021 No.19129658 File: 16 KB, 225x225, 1546544140849.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19129513 >>19129531 Damn I need my head to be crushed by those thighs

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 14:30:38 2021 No.19129661

>>19129513
God is.
That's the best way to understand what I'm about to say. There's no fate, there's only God's will, one can follow God's will or one can go against it, but God always had, has and will have the last word.
Things happen according to Him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 15:53:22 2021 No.19130102 >>19129513 Post more thick bitches

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS Mon Sep 27 16:16:05 2021 No.19130208 File: 117 KB, 808x1077, 4616FE92-0121-4E78-A0D1-51848CE81419.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19130102 This is the literature board, anon. Go look for them

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 16:30:10 2021 No.19130300 >>19129531 they quite literally are compatible. Saying "God is controlled by fate" is incoherent because it is God who orchestrates the future. To say that God is subordinate to fate is to say that he is subordinate to his own will, which is retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 16:32:11 2021 No.19130315 >>19130208 Post your ass

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS Mon Sep 27 16:34:25 2021 No.19130332 File: 320 KB, 1772x1181, 5D3B4D50-A93B-4F50-9769-C9FE96B4FFEE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19130300 Tell it to a physicist

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 16:40:28 2021 No.19130373

>>19130332
what does physics have to do with this? If this is some variation of the "God isn't real because we can explain natural phenomena with science" arguement allow me to pre-empt it by saying that even a complete and perfect science would have no bearing on God's existence, since discussions around God pertain to metaphysics and not natural science. there is no reason that God could not have employed the laws of nature as the mechanism by which he created and ordered the world

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:04:26 2021 No.19130893 >>19130208 Is that the same girl from OP's pic?

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS Mon Sep 27 18:06:31 2021 No.19130905 >>19130893 I don’t think so

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:06:56 2021 No.19130906 >>19130905 I see

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:07:55 2021 No.19130913

>>19129513
>actually thinking about the implications of abrahamic faiths
Shhh, shhh, we don't do that here. He is beyond that and you are too limited of a creature to get it or some shit.
Go listen to the church & adopt a holier-than-thou mentality like the rest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:08:30 2021 No.19130917 >>19130913 Anon, don't be an arrogant prick

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:23:15 2021 No.19131012

>>19130917
Oh, I will be, as I see it as the only appropriate reaction.
The moment you start asking the real questions, all the "holy men" and their flock start folding, evading, doing mental acrobatics. To them, truth is secondary to the blind comfort of belief, always has been, no matter their efforts to make it seem otherwise. They will "question" it only within a safe limit, where the answers that might discomfort them can not arise. After all, they do "receive what they ask for", so He must be benevolent, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:26:27 2021 No.19131032 >>19131012 Appropriate? You complain about a holier-than-thou mentality, and yet you do the same but for christians. You are a moron and the only thing greater than your idiocy is your ego.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:28:13 2021 No.19131040 >>19131012 >The moment you start asking the real questions, all the "holy men" and their flock start folding, evading, doing mental acrobatics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:29:35 2021 No.19131049 >>19131032 Save that anger for when you realise you have been used up and discarded. Will it happen before your death, or after?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:30:19 2021 No.19131055 File: 37 KB, 480x484, images (1).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19129513 >>19129531 Someone sauce me up in here

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:31:56 2021 No.19131066 >>19131049 I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of your words. Pride is the only thing that emanates from your words, arrogant fool.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:35:45 2021 No.19131079 >>19131066 You are still clinging to that phrase, while skimming over the things that matter. Whether it struck a nerve or you found an easy way to evade the rest of what I wrote; Your ailment is inoperable...

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:39:06 2021 No.19131090

>>19131079
>or you found an easy way to evade the rest of what I wrote
Says the man that tried to change the topic by saying I should save my "anger" for the moment I am discarded. All my words are directly at you, someone full of arrogance, that a few moments back claimed with pride the fact his attitude is justified.
You are trying to save face and you are guilty of the same thing you accuse others.
Moron.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:41:31 2021 No.19131104 >>19131090 Clinging like to a straw and cursing profusely, I see. Well, don't say nobody warned you about the "good news". I depart

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:42:25 2021 No.19131107 >>19129513 God is fate. He is the ultimate writer.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:43:29 2021 No.19131108

>>19131104
Run away arrogant fool. For the only thing you will find here will be me claiming your words are vain and your head is empty. The only thing you have is foolish pride and the holier-than-thou mentality that you claim to hate.
Run away faggot.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 18:50:26 2021 No.19131140

>>19129513
It was Jesus Christ's fate to be crucified and condemned by His own people, but it was Jesus choice to go through with it. Prior to His death, He is known to be praying in a garden and saying to God if it is possible, to please excuse Him from what is going to happen to Him, but He ultimately says "not mine, but your will be done." Meaning, Jesus Christ could've easily not have gone through with it, but ultimately He did because He was a selfless and compassionate individual and knew that God's will is what is for the best.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:10:02 2021 No.19131240 >>19129513 look at all these christfags coping

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:15:35 2021 No.19131271 God I need the sauce on these thicc girls

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:17:51 2021 No.19131281 >>19129513 Why would you say that God is controlled by fate tho? Jesus Christ knew He was going to die, it was part of His plan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:20:57 2021 No.19131297 >>19129658 It's a shoop, anon.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:27:31 2021 No.19131322
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>>19129513
Her legs look like poops. Two pedestals carved like the Caryatids... but instead of beautiful women Mr. Hanky.

Didn't read any replies. Your question is as bad in your taste of whores. Maybe focus on Mary Magdalene instead of Judas... Unless you plan to hang yourself, then by all means obsess.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS Mon Sep 27 19:29:04 2021 No.19131328 File: 135 KB, 1080x1332, 168F0291-7A90-466F-BABB-CD2FC7343FF6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >19131322 >Thas rite. Poop is always on my mind!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 19:39:31 2021 No.19131369 This thread has a lot of cringe but here's an answer for you OP. It's not necessarily correct but it's a legitimate position. >https://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/1225-1274,_Thomas_Aquinas,_Summa_Contra_Gentiles,_EN.pdf See 1.1.83 to 1.1.88

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 20:59:32 2021 No.19131734 >>19131369 This. you can criticize Christian (especially catholic) theology all you want but you'll seldom find that they simply "don't have an answer" to your question. In fact, there's usually a number of full-length books on the subject.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:01:18 2021 No.19131744 >>19131140 His choice was pre-determined by God, who created all things (which exist in time) while outside of time, He (Jesus Christ) had no choice but to give His choice

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:04:06 2021 No.19131751 >>19131328 Rarely unless I'm looking at chunky short skanks that have no ankles--theres.probably some other psychological short-circuit there, but not one so... simpleminded, you drooling little cutie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:04:06 2021 No.19131750 >>19131744 but Christ IS God.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:05:19 2021 No.19131755 File: 146 KB, 828x1226, 566939719.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19131328 Are lesbians even into PAWG's?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:06:06 2021 No.19131760 >>19131755 why is that even a question

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:08:10 2021 No.19131764

>>19131744
>His choice was pre-determined by God, who created all things (which exist in time) while outside of time, He (Jesus Christ) had no choice but to give His choice

Luke 22:42
saying, “Father, if you are willing, take this cup away from me; still, not my will but yours be done.”

>not my will but yours be done

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:10:48 2021 No.19131775 >>19131764 Yes, His own will be done to Himself. He had no choice but to say what He said, whatever was really going on inside His head.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:13:46 2021 No.19131781 >>19131775 >Yes, His own will be done to Himself. He had no choice but to say what He said, whatever was really going on inside His head. So, He had no will yet clearly stated that He'd rather have God's will fulfilled than His own? You make no sense.

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:14:10 2021 No.19131783

>>19129545
>He can see all points in time (except for the exact hour of the final judgement, only the father knows that time)
Who's he? God? If the Father is God, then God knows the hour of Judgement. If Jesus doesn't know the hour (I've literally never heard this before) then your "God" is literally a triune pantheon

Anonymous Mon Sep 27 21:35:59 2021 No.19131867

>>19129513
Not a christfag but I think this is a weak af argument for fate.
Haven't you ever predicted someone is going to backstab you or told a friend "don't get involved with them, it'll end badly for you" and be right?
Does that mean that I saw fate or that I'm a good judge of shit people?
If I, a mere mortal, can do that surely the Christ can tell a shit person from a good one from a roman mile away

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 27 22:14:13 2021 No.19132038 >>19129513 >>19129531 >>19131055 a Twitter cosplayer, @rintohsakka

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS Tue Sep 28 00:07:29 2021 No.19132390
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>>19131755
You’re probably wondering why they like wide birthing hips and big old cushion. They don’t do any pushin’ right? Why would they be so attracted to such fertility goddes?

I DON’T KNOW
I just know I want them

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 00:36:21 2021 No.19132457 >>19132390 butters look for sava schultz

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 06:06:45 2021 No.19133653 >>19129531 fuck you cocksucker

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 08:39:38 2021 No.19134184 >>19131755 where the bootyhole

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 11:38:27 2021 No.19134916 >>19129531 I see why you hate Jesus Christ now - because you are a degenerate who is in love with sin, a slave to your passions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 11:49:46 2021 No.19134966 >>19129661 What a stupid fucking concept. No wonder it's the brainlet take.

Anonymous Tue Sep 28 11:51:32 2021 No.19134971

>>19131032
>yet you do the same but for christians.
Good. More christians need to be smugged at. Fucking pompous retards. Every christian I've ever had the unpleasantness to talk too tries to go holier-than-thou, and they immediately shrivel up and piss themselves in rage when someone does it to them.
Believing in something retarded doesn't make you oppressed, it makes you a retard.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS Tue Sep 28 11:53:49 2021 No.19134981 >>19134916 I dislike the church because of what it did to my life and everyone else’s throughout history. These institutions working to control and enslave ruin is all

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 11:55:02 2021 No.19134986 I find vaginas to be disgusting and I would only have sex in the dark with a spotlight exclusively on my sweet Naomi’s face

Anonymous Tue Sep 28 12:02:54 2021 No.19135023
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>>19134981
“If only my grief could be weighed
and placed with my calamity on the scales.

For then it would outweigh the sand of the seas—
no wonder my words have been rash.

For the arrows of the Almighty have pierced me;
my spirit drinks in their poison;
the terrors of God are arrayed against me.

Does a wild donkey bray over fresh grass,
or an ox low over its fodder?

Is tasteless food eaten without salt,
or is there flavor in the white of an egg?

My soul refuses to touch them;
they are loathsome food to me.

If only my request were granted
and God would fulfill my hope:
that God would be willing to crush me,
to unleash His hand and cut me off!"

///

"Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said:

“Now brace yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall inform Me.

Would you really annul My justice?
Would you condemn Me to justify yourself?

Do you have an arm like God’s?
Can you thunder with a voice like His?
Then adorn yourself with majesty and splendor,
and clothe yourself with honor and glory.
Unleash the fury of your wrath;
look on every proud man and bring him low.
Look on every proud man and humble him;
trample the wicked where they stand.
Bury them together in the dust;
imprison them in the grave.

Then I will confess to you
that your own right hand can save you."

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 12:36:25 2021 No.19135205 >>19134966 t. brainlet

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 12:37:27 2021 No.19135216 >>19134971 Nigger, you are an arrogant fuck. That's the reality of the situation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 12:57:58 2021 No.19135346 >>19132390 You will never be a woman

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!bGBGaUpA8kS Tue Sep 28 13:37:31 2021 No.19135569 >>19135346 You will never have a woman

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 13:54:51 2021 No.19135676 >>19129513 Books to help cope with the fact that you will never marry a woman with a body like this who is also a virgin and a virtuous Christian.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 14:12:48 2021 No.19135782 sex sex SEX

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 15:57:41 2021 No.19136334 >>19129513 This worldview is not about control. Nobody could have claimed Jesus's life. He gave it freely. 'Fate' and 'free will' are not in contradiction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 16:18:38 2021 No.19136436 >>19136334 so he freely went against the 10 commandments by commiting suicide through the romans?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 16:22:09 2021 No.19136448 >>19135676 >you will never marry a woman with a body like this who is also a virgin and a virtuous Christian. You can. It's called a tulpa.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 16:28:26 2021 No.19136472 >>19135782 thighs thighs THIGHS

Anonymous Tue Sep 28 16:37:35 2021 No.19136515

>>19129513
The idea of god is logically flawed, but Christians claim that god is above logical contradictions as well. This means that god is technically beyond the scope of arguments and discussions. It's a waste of time. Nothing needs to be said about it, because like a comic book hero, it can be whatever you want it to be, it can fit any mold, escape any contradiction: "BECAUSE!". Arguing against theists is so fruitless, it starts to reflect the poverty of your own intelligence if you keep doing it.

N E M O . !!GgBWHLRiayD Tue Sep 28 16:55:23 2021 No.19136591

>>19129513
The comprehensive perspective sees webs of potential scenarios, courses of action; Judas' betrayal was merely the most probable thing to occur along Jesus' path, hence its prediction; this pertains to destiny, not to fate.

>Wouldn't this mean that even god is controlled by fate?
No; you ignore what fate is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 18:39:37 2021 No.19137212 >>19136472 >>19135782 Yes yes yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 19:34:34 2021 No.19137461 >>19129513 God is controlled by fate kinda like how we are controlled by our alarm clocks.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 20:05:41 2021 No.19137587 >>19129513 how tall is she ? what do u guys think ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 28 23:06:37 2021 No.19138292 >>19137587 I’d say on the quite short side

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